[00:05] <ahoneybun> \o/
[00:42] <ahoneybun> anyone have the oxygen theme when they are changing their sound volume?
[03:27] <ahoneybun> Riddell_: can I get access to the docs.k.org server?
[08:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:35] <sick_rimmit> Good morning to you sir :-)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:17] <BluesKaj> hi again
[12:13] <soee_> hiho BluesKaj
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey soee_
[12:48] <Riddell_> ahoneybun: you already do, username is ahoneybun
[14:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how do you login though?
[15:19] <clivejo> hummmm my kdeconnect has stopped working totally now 
[16:18] <Riddell> ahoneybun: ssh?
[16:18] <Riddell> clivejo: mine stops working randomly for no good reason :(
[16:18] <ahoneybun> I have no idea the IP and pass
[16:18] <Riddell> clivejo: when are we going to finish this packaging stuff?
[16:19] <Riddell> did you get anywhere with kamoso?
[16:19] <Riddell> I'm back in EU timezone now
[16:19] <Riddell> and feeling jetlagged
[16:19] <ahoneybun> Riddell: did you see the current Manual?
[16:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: maybe, I was even more jetlagged yesterday so I didn't take it in, what's new?
[16:20] <ahoneybun> I have some awesome things up
[16:20] <ahoneybun> on a server I have access to
[16:20] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://192.254.78.155/
[16:21] <Riddell> looking funky ahoneybun, how did you generate that?
[16:21] <ahoneybun> Sphinx
[16:21] <Riddell> and did you consider the idea of just dropping the generated version and pointing the site towards the wiki?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> I just got that up for the moment
[16:22] <ahoneybun> the idea is to move from wiki
[16:22] <ahoneybun> for the Manual anyway
[16:23] <ahoneybun> that everyone Project not just Kubuntu to be written in reST
[16:25] <clivejo> Riddell: I got it working on my own machine
[16:25] <Riddell> clivejo: ooh exiting
[16:25] <Riddell> clivejo: did you upload to a PPA?
[16:26] <clivejo> but cant get it to build on LP
[16:26] <Riddell> ahoneybun: why? what's wrong with the wiki?
[16:26] <ahoneybun> I want all the projects to use a similar language (reST) and have the Manuals all on LP
[16:26] <clivejo> Kubuntu has a philosophy!
[16:27] <Riddell> we do? I hope it's friendly
[16:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: in bzr? that'll increase the barrier to entry again no?
[16:27] <clivejo> packaging is NOT friendly
[16:28] <ahoneybun> Riddell: the idea is having a core location will make it easier to find
[16:28] <ahoneybun> they can branch the Manual and fix typos and such
[16:29] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSxGaSy-8s
[16:30] <Riddell> clivejo: no it's not, that's why we do it so our users don't have to
[16:32] <clivejo> Riddell: its the package dependancies that is annoying me
[16:33] <clivejo> so its compiling fine on my box, but not on LP
[16:33] <Riddell> clivejo: needs Qt5OpenGLConfig.cmake
[16:33] <Riddell> clivejo: I'm afraid there's no quick way to do that
[16:33] <clivejo> and the only way I know of fixing it is trail and error
[16:33] <Riddell> pretty much yes
[16:34] <Riddell> you can use pbuilder-dist to compile it fresh each time same as launchpad does so you don't need to upload it to launchpad
[16:34] <Riddell> but it still takes an age
[16:34] <Riddell> you can read the CMakeLists.txt to look for what qt a kf5 dependencies it wants and add those as build deps
[16:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so this does not look good? http://192.254.78.155/
[16:34] <Riddell> but that's not usually complete
[16:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks lovely
[16:34] <clivejo> I was thinking of making a VM image of a basic install
[16:34] <Riddell> clivejo: nah pbuilder is where it's at
[16:34] <Riddell> or just a local chroot
[16:35] <Riddell> using debootstrap
[16:35] <Riddell> pbuilder-dist create wily
[16:35] <ahoneybun> Riddell: sphinx provides epub converting as well
[16:35] <clivejo> any resources on that
[16:35] <Riddell> pbuilder-dist build foo.dsc
[16:35] <clivejo> need to do some reading
[16:35] <ahoneybun> so the Manual now has a epub
[16:35] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you need more pretty pictures
[16:35] <clivejo> I like pictures
[16:36] <Riddell> clivejo: pbuilder is a tool for making a chroot, compiling the package in the chroot and sputting out the result and pbuilder-dist adds some improvements like managing multiple distro releases and keeping logs around
[16:36] <ahoneybun> clivejo: agreed
[16:36] <Riddell> clivejo: pbuilder-dist create wily   to start
[16:36] <ahoneybun> still a WIP
[16:36] <Riddell> actually maybe the other way around:  pbuilder-dist wily create
[16:36] <Riddell> then add universe by logging int  pbuilder-dist wily login --save-after-login
[16:36] <clivejo> just at a terminal
[16:37] <Riddell> apt install nano and edit sources.list
[16:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I moved all the Wiki text to reST so far and made a project on LP:  https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-manual
[16:37] <clivejo> ahoneybun: can I ask what are the main issues with media wiki?
[16:37] <sick_rimmit> Hey ahoneybun Good job on the Wiki
[16:39] <ahoneybun> clivejo: that every Ubuntu based project uses MoinMoin for some reason and Sphinx/reST provide awesome features
[16:39] <ahoneybun> and it is easy to learn over LaTeX
[16:39] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: thanks
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> is today's meeting still happening?
[16:40] <clivejo> Riddell: is there any way to cache package files?
[16:41] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: there is talk in #ubuntu-meeting but seems a lot of people are unavaiable
[16:41] <clivejo> seems to be downloading an entire system :/
[16:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sladen is organising a meeting in 20 mins, but he seems to have missed out the important part of oranising a meeting which is to schedule people to be there
[16:43] <Riddell> clivejo: yes that's the point, apt will cache packages as much as it can
[16:44] <clivejo> surely I should ahve all these packages in the cache as they are installed on my system?
[16:44] <sladen> Riddell: I've tried to help the meeting that was suggested by another happen
[16:44] <sladen> Riddell: it may or may not, .... anything that gets a ball rolling is good
[16:45] <sladen> Riddell: even if it's simply working out whom might setup a doodle for a meeting of their own organisation
[16:45] <clivejo> oh kdeconnect is back again
[16:45] <clivejo> weird
[16:47] <soee> hmm, soon windows will boot faster than k/ubutnu
[16:47] <yofel> since we switched to systemd, win7 and kubuntu boot about equally fast
[16:47] <yofel> win might actually be a bit faster
[16:48] <yofel> mountall in systemd takes considerably longer than in upstart
[16:48] <clivejo> upgrade to Wins 8, that will soon slow it down
[16:48] <soee> yesterday i jumped to Wily rom Vivid and booting time is a bit longer i thn
[16:48] <Riddell> I just bought a new laptop, was amuzing to see it came with windows 8 but you could pay extra for an upgrade to windows 7
[16:49] <clivejo> Riddell: format it
[16:49] <soee> w7 ? :)
[16:49] <clivejo> win8 is rubbish
[16:49] <yofel> I never bothered upgrading to 8, I'll get 10 next month
[16:49] <Riddell> clivejo: oh I did :)
[16:49] <soee> hmm ksysguard does not liek kuuntu-desktop
[16:49] <clivejo> it goes against my grain
[16:50] <clivejo> bit like unity
[16:51] <clivejo> a computer is a tool to help you be more productive, not fight you at every task
[16:52] <clivejo> anyhow, Im hungry and ordering a chinese takeaway!
[16:52] <clivejo> Ill leave dbuilder to do whatever its doing!
[16:53] <soee> well i don't know W8, its like 3-4 years now since im on kubuntu and only ocassionaly run w7 to do some image proessing stuff :)
[16:55] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11741153/
[18:09] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you have a Kubuntu table cloth?
[18:09] <Riddell> no, paul made that up
[18:20] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:31] <Riddell> clivejo: I'll shut down this ec2 as we're not using it
[19:36] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:37] <_Groo_> stupid question but is dolphin working with baloo from kubuntu-ci?
[19:37] <_Groo_> the plasma search and krunner work with baloo, but dolphin cant find it
[19:52] <clivejo> Riddell: ping
[20:04] <clivejo> anyone know how to get pbuilder to install build tools automatically?
[20:11] <clivejo> the--variant=buildd option?
[20:26] <clivejo> well that didnt work
[20:27] <Riddell> clivejo: it'll install build-essential along with the build of the package
[20:27] <Riddell> clivejo: what command are you running and what's not working?
[20:28] <clivejo> dget isnt working
[20:28] <clivejo> surely thats an essential build tool
[20:28] <Riddell> the whole point of pbiulder is it is a minimal chroot just as launchpad build daemons use
[20:28] <Riddell> but why are you using dget?
[20:29] <Riddell> the whole point is to use pbuilder-dist build *dsc  to build a package
[20:29] <clivejo> to grab my package from ppa
[20:29] <Riddell> do that on your system
[20:29] <clivejo> its on my system?
[20:29] <Riddell> then run pbuilder-dist wily build *dsc  
[20:29] <Riddell> where *dsc is the .dsc file for the package you want to build
[20:29] <clivejo> oh
[20:30] <clivejo> I was trying to do it from inside
[20:30] <clivejo> pbuilder-dist wily login --save-after-login
[20:30] <Riddell> use that to edit sources.list to add universe and apt update
[20:30] <Riddell> then leave with control-d
[20:30] <clivejo> ah
[20:30] <Riddell> then use it to build your package
[20:30] <clivejo> got ya now
[20:31] <clivejo> so you wanted me to install nano within the environment
[20:31] <clivejo> let me try it again
[20:32] <clivejo> I need to reboot, seems to be another kernel update in wily
[20:36] <Riddell> I sometimes use nano, sometimes I work out the sed command
[20:36] <Riddell> which is faffy mainly because I switch between UK, US and spanish keyboards and the quote key moves around
[20:37] <clivejo> Im rebuilding the environment
[20:37] <clivejo> was trying to fix it myself
[20:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: stop switching? :P
[20:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what time is it there >.>
[20:42] <shadeslayer> ah 11
[20:42] <clivejo> is he not back in the UK?
[20:43] <Riddell> clivejo: I'm back in .cat
[20:44] <clivejo> Spain?
[20:44] <Riddell> until september yes, then we'll be independent and free!  (although I've yet to work out why)
[20:45] <clivejo> you're not free now?
[20:46] <Riddell> no we're restricted by the pesky spanish, who mostly take our money and live on it as benefits for 9 months of the year </deliberately provative and biased and not necessarily my view>
[20:48] <clivejo> at least you have the sun
[20:49] <clivejo> wow, its finished, Im going for a reboot
[20:52] <clivejo> Riddell: how to I make the text in Konsole stay bigger?
[20:53] <Riddell> clivejo: settings -> edit current profile
[20:53] <Riddell> appearance -> select font
[20:53] <Riddell> surprisingly faffy that
[20:53] <Riddell> maybe there's a shortcut
[20:53] <Riddell> yes, control +
[20:53] <clivejo> oh, I thought it should just remember your previous settings
[20:54] <clivejo> I was using control +
[20:56] <clivejo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu wily main restricted universe multiverse
[20:56] <clivejo> already there
[20:56] <Riddell> lovely
[20:57] <ahoneybun> anyone have the old volume animation from oxygen?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> when I change my volume I see the old Oxygen icon set and theme
[21:18] <clivejo> Riddell: regarding kamoso-3.0-alpha.tar.xz what should my version be?
[21:18] <Riddell> kamoso_3.0~alpha.orig.tar.xz
[21:19] <clivejo> grrr stupid ~
[21:19] <clivejo> lets try that again
[21:22] <clivejo> and in the version file
[21:22] <clivejo> dch -i
[21:51] <clivejo> so many packages!
[22:16] <clivejo> Riddell: pbuilder is not finding the deps I need, I guess I need to add the next stage ppa into the sources too?
[22:17] <Riddell> clivejo: yes, and your ppa too
[22:17] <clivejo> oh yeah, it will need purpose
[22:23] <clivejo> Riddell: do I need to run a full apt upgrade or will apt update be ok?
[22:23] <Riddell> apt update is fine
[22:23] <Riddell> there's mostly nothing to upgrade as the chroot only has the base system installed
[22:24] <clivejo> got signature errors
[22:25] <clivejo> can I use add-apt-repository in the build environment?
[22:25] <Riddell> if you install whatever package it's in yes
[22:29] <clivejo> thats better
[22:30] <clivejo> pulling in kf5 stuff now
[22:31] <Riddell> yay
[22:34] <clivejo> so LP does all this every time we upload to it?
[22:34] <clivejo> *beep beep beeping beep*
[22:35] <Riddell> yep
[22:35] <clivejo> still failing on Qt5OpenGLConfig.cmake in the environment, yet compiles fine under my local
[22:35] <Riddell> else who knows what it would build against, the linker would get very confused
[22:35] <Riddell> it's separate from the rest of qt
[22:35] <Riddell> packages.ubuntu.com can probably track it down
[22:36] <clivejo> problem is I have tracked it down before and installed on my local machine, just cant remember what I installed to fix it!
[22:40] <clivejo> is it libqt5opengl5-dev ?
[22:40] <clivejo> or just libqt5opengl5 I need?
[22:41] <clivejo> Ill try the dev one
[22:45] <clivejo> Riddell: have you this already packaged and installed?