[00:11] <aSheepie> nhaines: try an external link from the Twitter app - can't remember if it was the bundled Twitter one or an alt one I created, but following links from Twitter pops it up
[00:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: I have no mobile data at all now :(
[00:58] <DonkeyHotei> what carrier?
[00:58] <mhall119> AT&T, but I've been hacking my radio on my Nexus 4
[00:58] <mhall119> to try and get LTE speeds
[00:59] <DonkeyHotei> does metropcs exist in your area?
[00:59] <mhall119> yeah, but AT&T has worked fine for 2 years, so I doubt it's them
[01:00] <DonkeyHotei> oh i thought you meant you used up your data allotment
[01:02] <mhall119> no, I still have over a gig left
[06:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Sauntering Day! 😃
[08:38] <Se> Hi
[08:38] <Se> Anyone about?
[08:39] <Se> J
[08:40] <Se> Does ubuntu touch.... ? In other words I got a question
[08:45] <popey> !ask | Se
[08:48]  * JamesTait hugs ubot5 
[08:51] <jgdx> J
[08:57] <damdotio> hi, looking for "NearBy" source code. Anyone have a link ?
[08:59] <DanChapman> damdotio: https://launchpad.net/nearby-scope
[08:59] <DanChapman> my bad seems there's no source code there
[09:00] <damdotio> DanChapman: yes, looks like there's nothing
[09:00] <damdotio> maybe the code is closed-source
[09:01] <seb128> cwayne probably knows
[09:17] <brobostigon> a question about version updates in touch, does it use the same basic upgrade process as normal debian, with sources.list and apt-get update/upgrade?
[09:18] <ogra_> brobostigon, only at image build time ... not for the enduser
[09:19] <brobostigon> ogra_: ok, interesting, so how do those actualy fundemental upgrades to the basics of the system, actually happen?
[09:20] <ogra_> the readonly images are kept on the server ... if there is a new image built a diff against all former images is created ... on the phone the upgrader knows what image is installed and asks the server for the right diff to upgrade to the next readonly rootfs ...
[09:21] <ogra_> ... the server supplies it and the diff is applied to the phone after download
[09:21] <brobostigon> ah i see,
[09:21] <ogra_> (indeed that only works if the rootfs on the phone has never been changed, which is why we have the rootfs readonyl
[09:21] <ogra_> )
[09:21] <brobostigon> makes sense,
[09:21] <ogra_> s/have/have to have/
[09:21] <brobostigon> :)
[09:22] <brobostigon> so that same process applies, weather i have a proper install or with multirom?
[09:22] <ogra_> no idea ... i never used multirom
[09:23] <popey> I dont think we support multirom
[09:23] <popey> at least we never test that scenario
[09:23] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:24] <brobostigon> so in theory, when a new image is built, touch should give me a notification of said upgrade, and offer to upgrade the system? i shal have to test it out then.
[09:25] <popey> cwayne: does the today scope intentionally re-draw every 5 minutes? If I set my phone to never lock, out of the corner of my eye I can see the today scope redraw/reload every 5 mins...
[09:25] <popey> yes brobostigon in non-multirom installs
[09:25] <popey> dunno about multirom
[09:26] <brobostigon> so the only issue here, is if touch recognises it is using multirom and blocks that process?
[09:26] <ogra_> you only get  notifications for supported devices though
[09:26] <brobostigon> i beleieve the nexus4 is.
[09:26] <ogra_> yeah
[09:27] <ogra_> but not via multirom :)
[09:27] <brobostigon> is that a definate, or just a as popey said, not been tested yet, situation?
[09:27] <ogra_> tecnically you would have to use a hacked image for this
[09:27] <ogra_> with adjusted boot image at least
[09:28] <ogra_> which yoou wont get from our server ... so i'm not sure you would get any notifications
[09:28] <brobostigon> so i would be better off, doing a proper install, to get upgrades and bug fixes etc properly?
[09:28] <popey> if you want the genuine experience as we expect it, yeah
[09:28] <ogra_> i guess so ... where did you plan to install your multirom image from ?
[09:29] <brobostigon> ogra_: wipe the whole device and flash devel-proposed using phablet tools?
[09:29] <ogra_> to get proper updates you would need a system-image server that ships the multirom boot.img (and a different partition layout too i guess, since multirom requires that)
[09:29] <ogra_> brobostigon, not devel-proposed, no
[09:30] <brobostigon> elaborate?
[09:30] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu or ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[09:31] <brobostigon> why the latter? wouldnt that be for the wrong hw?
[09:31] <ogra_> (the former is the community channel, the latter the same install bq users get)
[09:31] <ogra_> it has images for mako, krillin and vegetahd ... (mako is N4)
[09:31] <brobostigon> ah,
[09:32] <brobostigon> ok, thank you for answering all these questions.
[09:32] <ogra_> np
[09:33] <brobostigon> next thing is some pebble love, :)
[09:35] <popey> yeah, i have a pebble time steel on order
[09:35] <popey> I know others do too
[09:36]  * ogra_ wonders if the pebble display would fit the 40GU policy :P
[09:37] <popey> hah
[10:21] <popey> this could be handy (for studio_ perhaps) http://www.dx.com/p/mini-smile-otg-2-port-usb-2-0-hub-tf-sd-card-reader-for-mobile-phone-tablet-black-392097#.VYPtKXU4l4s
[10:22] <popey> tempted to get one for when I go on holiday. although no cf reader.
[10:27] <pundir> ogra_, hi.. rootstock-touch-install doesn't finish installing vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf on Nexus 7. it seem to be stuck or waiting for something "adding android system image to installation ..."
[10:27] <pundir> any idea what could be going wrong?
[10:27] <pundir> i have tried two or 3 set of daily/current images and no luck at all
[10:28] <pundir> it worked for me sometime back.. last month i guess
[10:29] <brobostigon> rc-proposed installed. now to get location working.
[10:35] <ogra_> pundir, rootstock is pretty dead since ages, why do you use it ?
[10:36] <pundir> ogra_, i'm following this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building to flash preinstalled-touch images
[10:36] <pundir> what other options do i have?
[10:36] <ogra_> why are you building images instead of using the official ones ?
[10:38] <ogra_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/#install-ubuntu
[10:38] <ogra_> dpm, bah, that should really not point to the devel channel
[10:39] <ogra_> (in the default u-d-f example ...)
[10:41] <pundir> ogra_, thanks i'll checkout this new link. i'm not building from scratch anyway. I downloaded images from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/vivid/daily-preinstalled/
[10:41] <pundir> these images ^^ will work right?
[10:41] <ogra_> no
[10:41] <pundir> ahh bummer
[10:42] <ogra_> thats a by-product, not the actual image
[10:42] <pundir> ok
[10:42] <pundir> please help find the working set of images for nexus 7 then
[10:42] <ogra_> (the files from there are used to generate the images on system-image.ubuntu.com)
[10:46] <pundir> that didn't help. system-image.u.c contain set of json files which are probably used to build images remotely. there must be some place where these final images are hosted right?
[10:47] <ogra_> the json files contain the links to the image parts
[10:47] <pundir> i'm also wondering how did that procedure worked for me last time. i didn't do any different.
[10:47] <pundir> ok
[10:47] <ogra_> the parts themselves are in the pool/ directory
[10:48] <pundir> so final images are hosted on system-image.ubuntu.com only?
[10:48] <pundir> i'll try to connect the dots. thanks
[10:48] <ogra_> yes, the images are hosted there only
[10:49] <ogra_> btw, the above website is wrong, you should use --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu (or ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu)
[10:50] <ogra_> (the link to the channel guide explains what is what)
[10:50] <pundir> thanks for the pointer
[10:52] <ogra_> dpm, i fixed the page ...
[10:55] <dpm> thanks ogra_!
[10:56] <bqphone> hi there, where can i submit a bug for dekko mail app?
[10:57] <ogra_> DanChapman should know
[10:57] <robin-hero> bqphone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko
[10:57] <bqphone> thx
[10:57] <DanChapman> bqphone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+filebug
[10:58] <DanChapman> ah thnx robin-hero
[10:58] <robin-hero> :)
[10:58] <robin-hero> DanChapman: When the next dekko version arrives? :)
[10:58] <bqphone> will submit it now
[10:58] <DanChapman> robin-hero: about an hour ago :-D
[10:58] <bqphone> i have just updated dekko, its faster and icon is better
[10:59] <bqphone> great app by the way Dan
[10:59] <popey> +1
[11:00] <robin-hero> Oh, sorry :)
[11:00] <robin-hero> just updating :)
[11:01] <brobostigon> question, why is osm saying its failing to get location, however when i run test_gps, that doesnt result in any errors.?
[11:02] <bqphone> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1466816
[11:02] <bqphone> dan enjoy :P
[11:04] <robin-hero> DanChapman:  My favourite color is blue, but this new theme is more professional. :)
[11:05] <DanChapman> oh man... hotmail?? :-/ worst imap implementation in history. i'll take a look after lunch :)
[11:05] <bqphone> thx :P
[11:06] <ogra_> oh, there is something to update ?
[11:06]  * ogra_ does so too 
[11:06] <ogra_> :)
[11:08] <DanChapman> robin-hero: you can always switch it back to blue by changing the color codes in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/dekko.dekkoproject/0.5.4/configuration/styles.conf
[11:08] <robin-hero> DanChapman: Thanks, but I like the new design :)
[11:09] <ogra_> brobostigon, what device ?
[11:10] <ogra_> (and what channel)
[11:10] <brobostigon> ogra_: my nexus4, using rc-proposed as you suggested.
[11:11] <ogra_> the bq-aquaris one or the ubuntu one ?
[11:11] <brobostigon> ubuntu
[11:11] <ogra_> that needs 10-30min for getting a GPS fix
[11:11] <ogra_> outdoors ...
[11:12] <ogra_> (the communoity channel does not ship the proprietary HERE location providers, so the device uses plain GPS)
[11:12] <brobostigon> can they be added? or some other location provider be used instead?
[11:13] <ogra_> no, cant be added ... ubuntu (the product) doesnt ship proprietary SW (except for hardware enablement)
[11:13] <ogra_> same as on desktop ...
[11:13] <ogra_> you wuld need to use a vendor image channel to get this
[11:14] <brobostigon> how about the latter? can an alternative be added?
[11:14] <ogra_> like the bq-aqaris.en one
[11:14] <ogra_> if you have one
[11:14] <ogra_> i doubt you will find a free AGPS provider ...
[11:14] <ogra_> generating these databases is pretty costly
[11:15] <ogra_> (driving around with cars to collect wlan info etc)
[11:16] <brobostigon> can i not just change the channel of my device and update it to that bq-aquaris channel, without fully reinstalling?
[11:16] <ogra_> you can use system-image-cli -v --switch= ...
[11:16] <ogra_> via adb or ssh or phablet-shell
[11:16] <brobostigon> thats good, ok thank you.
[11:16] <ogra_> (with the target channel name you want the device to switch to)
[11:17] <brobostigon> would that require sudo?
[11:17]  * ogra_ forgot ... its a dbus frontend so it shouldnt ... theoretically ... but for safety just use it ;) 
[11:17] <brobostigon> ok,
[11:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, ping
[12:15] <kenvandine> jgdx, pong
[12:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, hi, I'm trying to make contacts import work on my desktop and it failed with this output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11739905/
[12:17] <jgdx> do we need to tweak an apparmor profile, or is my environment just wrong?
[12:17] <seb128> hey kenvandine, jgdx
[12:17] <gihel> mozilla has an open API for location based on wlan, any plan to use it ?
[12:17] <jgdx> seb128, hey
[12:18] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[12:19] <kenvandine> jgdx, is the content item url a file:/// url?
[12:19] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, silo 003 is looking good, we should have wily/vivid in sync once it lands?
[12:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, a contact
[12:19] <jgdx> seb128, afaik, yes indeededed
[12:19] <kenvandine> file:///tmp/JonasDrange.vcf
[12:20] <seb128> great
[12:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, how do I check that?
[12:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, where's the code?
[12:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, on my desktop
[12:21] <kenvandine> haha :)
[12:21] <kenvandine> can you pastebin it?
[12:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure
[12:21] <kenvandine> oh, you're picking it from addressbook right?
[12:22] <jgdx> kenvandine, anything that provides contacts, I guess
[12:22] <kenvandine> yeah, but the vcf file is getting added to the transfer by the addressbook right?  not by your code
[12:22] <kenvandine> you are just trying to import them
[12:22] <jgdx> yes
[12:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'm not sure what even generates that error message
[12:26] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's not from content-hub
[12:26] <jgdx> it's in the output of CONTENT_HUB_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 content-hub-service
[12:26] <jgdx> :p
[12:26] <kenvandine> so it must be from something else we call
[12:26] <kenvandine> pastebin more of the log
[12:28] <jgdx> it's looking like it's apparmor or something
[12:28] <jgdx> pasting…
[12:28] <kenvandine> yeah
[12:28] <kenvandine> but not sure why it would say protocol
[12:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11739949/
[12:30] <jgdx> let's just forget this for now, kenvandine. I'll do this on the phone directly.
[12:30] <kenvandine> so the error is from the addressbook side of the transfer
[12:30] <kenvandine> probably the apparmor call
[12:31] <kenvandine> just puzzling error message
[12:31] <jgdx> the file exists, though..
[12:31] <kenvandine> what does protocol even mean there :)
[12:31] <kenvandine> yeah
[12:31] <kenvandine> it isn't charging it though
[12:31] <kenvandine> the addressbook is creating the .vcf file in /tmp/
[12:31] <jgdx> wth is chargin :p
[12:31] <kenvandine> then not copying it
[12:31] <kenvandine> charging is when it links/copies the content to a location the destination app can read
[12:32] <kenvandine> addressbook creates the file first though
[12:32] <jgdx> ahh, so that makes sense.. the lawd knows how uss is installed on this system
[12:32] <jgdx> combination of debs and make install
[12:32] <kenvandine> renatu, ^^ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11739905/
[12:33] <kenvandine> seen anything like that from addressbook exporting a contact?
[12:33] <kenvandine> on the desktop
[12:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, worked well on das phone
[12:40] <kenvandine> cool
[12:41] <kenvandine> i figured
[12:41] <kenvandine> just wondering why it doesn't work on the desktop
[12:59] <Melio> I decided to spend my Friday morning installing Ubuntu touch on my nexus 4 per the instructions on the developer site
[13:01] <brobostigon> :)
[13:01] <brobostigon> as have i Melio
[13:01] <Melio> i have delicious coffee and a mission :)
[13:01] <brobostigon> :)
[13:02] <Melio> my son uses this phone , it's primarly for when he gets home and we're shopping or something
[13:02] <brobostigon> ah.
[13:02] <renatu> kenvandine, I never tried export/import contact on desktop
[13:02] <Melio> I don't think he'll mind if i slap this on it
[13:02] <renatu> kenvandine, what is wrong/
[13:02] <renatu> ?
[13:04] <brobostigon> Melio: which version did you decide to install?
[13:06] <kenvandine> renatu, some protocol not supported error message
[13:07] <Melio> brobostigon, backing up data
[13:08] <brobostigon> Melio: thats what your doing? and havent decided which ubuntu touch version your doing to put on it?
[13:33] <popey> hmm http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/18/hp-announces-new-devices-for-back-to-school-and-its-first-commercial-tablet/
[13:33] <popey> looks interesting, and as it runs windows, should be easier (than android) to put ubuntu touch on
[13:42] <brobostigon> what addr are the ubuntu touch bugs on launchpad filed under?
[13:45] <ondra> zyga ping
[13:46] <ogra_> run zyga !
[13:46] <ogra_> :)
[13:46] <ondra> ogra_ don't! :)
[13:47]  * ogra_ hugs ondra 
[13:50] <ondra> ogra_ :)
[13:55] <zyga> ondra: hi
[13:55] <zyga> ondra: what's up?
[14:00] <joc_> zyga: i'll take the blame for what is about to happen, i told ondra you taught me everything i know about git ;)
[14:01] <ondra> joc_ you said zyga told you which buttons to press, and you stll don't know what those buttons do :P
[14:01] <zyga> joc_: :D
[14:01] <joc_> true
[14:01] <zyga> joc_: that's honest :D
[14:01] <popey> brobostigon: lots of places, depends which bit - most are linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[14:02] <popey> brobostigon: ask if you need help identifying which component to file a bug in
[14:02] <mhall119> kenvandine: awe: can you help me get cellular data working again?
[14:02] <brobostigon> popey: i shall, thank you.
[14:02] <mhall119> it seems my APN isn't being used
[14:02] <awe> mhall119, as soon as I'm done with my standup ( which just started )
[14:17] <jgdx> renatu, hey, where is Ubuntu.Contacts documented?
[14:18] <renatu> jgdx, this is private api should not be used by others apps :D
[14:21] <jgdx> renatu, address-book-app src it is :)
[14:21] <renatu> :D
[14:22] <renatu> jgdx, if you want to use it please copy the files to your project, I can not guarantee that the API will not change in the next versions ;)
[14:23] <jgdx> renatu, okay :)
[14:24] <jgdx> renatu, I tried importing the vfc url into a ContactsModel, but it wasn't populated.
[14:25] <jgdx> I never saw the importCompleted signal in the docs, so I guess that was it.
[14:25] <jgdx> renatu, btw, telegram uses the api :)
[14:33] <seb128> is anybody else having issues where their bq doesn't auto connect to some wifis anymore since ota4 update?
[14:34] <ogra_> it always connects fine to my wifi here ... but thats lame data :)
[14:34] <seb128> like walking back from a walk the indicator displays a 3G icon, the menu displays an old ap I was nearby earlier connected and nm-cli says it's connected to nothing
[14:34] <didrocks> seb128: it's rather better than utopic for me (remember my previous issues)
[14:34] <didrocks> but didn't try 3G/wifi switching
[14:34] <seb128> didrocks, yeah
[14:35] <didrocks> it was just losing my wifi after few minutes on utopic
[14:35] <seb128> my issue is only when going outside and back in
[14:35] <seb128> if I stay inside wifi works fine
[14:35] <ogra_> works fien for me ... but i dont really connect to other wifis
[14:35] <seb128> going out and back in it never reconnects
[14:35] <seb128> k
[14:35] <ogra_> just switching back and forth (by going out of range) seems to be ok here
[14:36] <ogra_> i used to have issues on RTM like didrocks
[14:36] <awe> seb128, I think there issues with the WiFi driver...
[14:36] <ogra_> needing flight mode to make it reconnect
[14:36] <awe> ...and it's scanning behavior
[14:36] <seb128> awe, do you know if we have an open bug about that/people looking at it?
[14:37] <awe> seb128, there are a couple of bugs open about WiFi scanning behavior
[14:37] <awe> re: a specific bug about WiFi not re-connecting on krillin
[14:37] <awe> maybe...
[14:37] <awe> lemme check
[14:37] <awe> as for people working on it, that's me atm
[14:37] <seb128> awe, thanks
[14:38] <seb128> k
[14:38] <awe> and I've been mostly focused on re-writing portions of the NM/ofono plugins to make FlightMode work properly across all devices
[14:38] <seb128> well if I'm the only one seeing the issue it's ok, probably not an high priority
[14:38] <seb128> I was a bit concerned it might be a regression hitting more users
[14:38] <awe> I haven't seen too many complaints recently...
[14:39] <awe> seb128, patches welcome!  ;)-
[14:39] <seb128> lol
[14:40] <awe> mhall119, ping
[14:40] <awe> do you still need APN help?
[14:41] <ogra_> seb128, it will all be fixed once we followed jonos suggestion and just rebase all of ubuntu on android ...
[14:41] <awe> w00t
[14:41] <ogra_> did you see his blog ?
[14:41] <seb128> ogra_, it's friday right ;-)
[14:41] <awe> no
[14:42] <awe> url?
[14:42] <ogra_> http://www.jonobacon.org/2015/06/19/rebasing-ubuntu-on-android/
[14:42] <awe> danke
[14:42] <ogra_> :)
[14:42] <ogra_> insane :)
[14:42] <mhall119> awe: pong
[14:43] <awe> mhall119, so you still need help?
[14:43] <mhall119> awe: yes, very much so
[14:43] <brobostigon> the whole idea would be solved if we had a android vm, with no need to change anything.
[14:43] <ogra_> wouldnt solve anything
[14:43] <mhall119> brobostigon: no, unfortunately it wouldn't be that easy
[14:43] <mhall119> just like Wine wasn't a cure-all for the desktop
[14:43] <awe> it'd be a slow, second class environment...
[14:43] <brobostigon> mhall119: i know,
[14:44] <mhall119> awe: so basically I have no active APN anymore
[14:44] <ogra_> you would introduce android security, your apps would all behave completely different (leaving aside that they look different) and potentially suck your battery empty in 1h
[14:44] <mhall119> awe: it was working fine a couple days ago after I flashed the radio firmware and did the other things to get LTE working
[14:44] <mhall119> but since yesterday, nothing
[14:44] <awe> d'oh!
[14:45]  * ogra_ hopes mhall119 doesnt run wily ... 
[14:45] <ogra_> there was a direct upload of NM it seems
[14:45]  * awe remember grumbling about LTE radio fw
[14:45] <mhall119> ogra_: that would be crazy.....
[14:45] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah
[14:45] <mhall119> awe: I do recall that, yes
[14:45]  * mhall119 is running wily
[14:45] <awe> mhall119, bad idea
[14:45] <ogra_> yeah
[14:46] <ogra_> no QA ... it asks for breakage ...
[14:46] <mhall119> ogra_: so it's a NM problem, not necessarily something I did?
[14:46] <ogra_> no idea
[14:46] <ogra_> could also be a package synced in from debian
[14:46] <awe> mhall119, one big issue is that wily hasn't yet received any of the NM love that's landed in the PPA
[14:46] <mhall119> I suppose I can flash back to a previous image
[14:46] <ogra_> or the changes in udev that rename your network devices with fantasy names now
[14:47] <awe> and that has to do with the fact that I don't have upload rights for NM, and cypher has been on vacation
[14:47] <ogra_> simly dont run wily
[14:47] <mhall119> awe: what's the daily channel that uses the PPA instead of wily?
[14:47] <ogra_> *simply
[14:47] <awe> ubuntu/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[14:47] <popey> ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu isnt it?
[14:47] <popey> oh, rc
[14:47] <mhall119> is there a 'here' version?
[14:47] <awe> yea, what he said
[14:47] <awe> ^^
[14:47] <awe> thanks popey
[14:47] <popey> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed-customized-here
[14:47] <ogra_> or ubuntu/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[14:47]  * popey hands mhall119 a fine "ubuntu-device-flash query --device=mako --list-channels"
[14:47] <awe> popey, I thought devel-proposed was nuked?
[14:47] <mhall119> ogra_: I'm on mako
[14:47] <ogra_> mhall119, and ?
[14:47] <popey> its on my list here from that command
[14:48] <ogra_> :)
[14:48] <popey> it might be empty.. duno
[14:48] <ogra_> mhall119, thats just a channnel name ... :)
[14:48] <mhall119> ogra_: is the bq-aquaris.en channel not bq only?
[14:48] <ogra_> no
[14:48] <ogra_> there is a mako image
[14:48] <awe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels
[14:48] <awe> ogra_, so if you want HERE on mako, you need to use the bq-aquaris.en channel?
[14:49] <ogra_> i think there was another one as well , but the bq-aquaris.en one for sure has it
[14:49] <popey> list channels suggests ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed-customized-here might be an option
[14:49] <mhall119> ok, so basically I want daily updates, using the overlay PPA, and HERE AGPS on mako, what's the channel for that?
[14:49] <ogra_> and has the advantage that you get the same image as the endusers
[14:49] <ogra_> right
[14:49] <mhall119> we should have a form where you tick the boxes you want and it'll tell you the right channel
[14:49] <popey> mhall119: buy a bq :)
[14:49] <ogra_> customized-here has tehe freely distributable HERE bits
[14:49] <mhall119> popey: I'd also have to buy European frequency 3G towers
[14:49] <awe> popey, I'm not sure where udf gets its list of channels, but I suspect it's stale and/or displaying old channel aliases
[14:49] <popey> mhall119: you didnt specify that :)
[14:50] <ogra_> (not the same stuff bq-aquaris.en has )
[14:50] <popey> bummer
[14:52] <brobostigon> ogra_: that poses the question, with my agps issue earlier, why sugges the bq one, and not the HERE one?
[14:52] <mhall119> ok, so should I use the alias devel-proposed-customized-here or the direct vivid-proposed-customized-here?
[14:53] <mhall119> I'm currently on ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/here
[14:55] <BOHverkill> is it possible to "uninstall" a scope?
[14:55] <brobostigon> yes.
[14:55] <popey> sudo click --unregister foo.bar.scope 1.0
[14:55] <mhall119> BOHverkill: find it in the Store scope and you'll have an Uninstall button for it
[14:55] <popey> where foo.bar.scope and 1.0  are whatever shows up in "click list"
[14:55] <popey> or that :)
[14:56] <ogra_> mhall119, i would still use the bq one
[14:56] <mhall119> ogra_: does it have HERE stuff?
[14:56] <mhall119> because mako's GPS alone is infuriatingly slow
[14:56] <ogra_> vivid-proposed-customized-here will only give you the freely distributable HERE componenets
[14:57] <ogra_> while the bq channel actually has the enduser image
[14:57] <ogra_> with the fully closed HERE bits
[14:57] <mhall119> ok, I'll flash to that one, thanks ogra_
[14:57] <ogra_> (i'm not sure how far the functional differences go there ... but i know the bq channel gets the most QA at least)
[14:58] <mhall119> flashing now
[14:58]  * mhall119 is just glad it wasn't the radio firmware upgrade that caused this
[14:58] <BOHverkill> k but there is no list of all (installed) scopes where I can simply uninstall scopes?
[14:59] <ogra_> BOHverkill, on the homme screen, swipe from the bottom
[14:59] <ogra_> *home
[14:59] <BOHverkill> yes but there i cant click and uninstall
[14:59] <BOHverkill> like with apps
[15:01] <ogra_> BOHverkill, oh, i always thought tapping on the store icon at the top right gets you to the scopes category in the store ...
[15:01] <ogra_> but it only opens the store normally ... sounds like it is worth filing a bug for it
[15:01] <mhall119> ogra_: nope, store homepage
[15:01] <mhall119> there isn't a "scopes" option in the filter
[15:06] <BOHverkill> ogra_: "filing a bug" mhhhh i dont know, that would be the first bugreport on launchpad for me :P
[15:11] <awe> ogra_, is there *any* QA happening on wily?  Just replying to someone on the ml with a mako having mobile data problems on 15.10.  ;)-
[15:12] <ogra_> awe, no
[15:12]  * awe wonders if we've properly communicated this?  and even so, maybe another email to the ML is warranted?
[15:13] <awe> popey, ^^?
[15:13]  * ogra_ communicates it all the time ... but i'm getting laughed at 
[15:13] <ogra_> :)
[15:13] <mhall119> ogra_: cellular data is working now, but Wifi isn't :(
[15:14] <mhall119> I don't even have the switch to turn it on/off
[15:15] <EdwarMorbius> Hello
[15:16] <EdwarMorbius> Hello. Anyone here having issues with HERE map application on 15.04, it is blank when I open it on my phone.
[15:16] <mhall119> ah, rebooted and wifi is back
[15:20] <ogra_> mhall119, well, on wily the new udev handling for network devices landed ... might not go well with the android driver ... and as i said, there was a NM upload recently
[15:20] <ogra_> either could cause that breakage
[15:21] <ogra_> (or it could even be something completely different, who knows, it is wily ... )
[15:22] <EdwardMorbius> I am connected via my phone, font is really tiny lol.
[15:23] <mhall119> ogra_: I'm not on wily anymore
[15:23] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, there is a kiwi IRC webapp in the store ... that should be a little bit better (graphical wise)
[15:24] <mhall119> ogra_: I've re-flashed to rc-proposed
[15:24] <ogra_> oh
[15:24] <ogra_> well, there it should theoretically work
[15:24] <mhall119> ogra_: it did after a reboot
[15:24] <ogra_> (i run it on arale and krillin here ... )
[15:25] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ I will check it, do HERE maps work fir you on 15.04
[15:25] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, on both devices, yes
[15:25] <ogra_> (arale and krillin)
[15:26] <EdwardMorbius> It goes blank on my bq, reboot didnt fix the problem, maybe I should file a bug if it persists.
[15:27] <ogra_> just oipened on krillin on image 42 rc-proposed ...
[15:27] <ogra_> works fine and even has the green dot on my house
[15:28] <EdwardMorbius> I will see if it fixes itself on my phone.
[15:30] <kenvandine> awe, what args are passed to the NM dispatcher scripts?
[15:30] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, check your diskspace, perhaps it cant cache the maps
[15:30] <kenvandine> awe,  is it "interface up"
[15:30] <kenvandine> etc ?
[15:30] <kenvandine> wlan0 up
[15:30] <kenvandine> for example
[15:30] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ more than 3 gb free
[15:31] <ogra_> k, was just a possibility
[15:31] <awe> abeato, ^^
[15:32] <awe> can you help kenvandine with the parameters passed to NM dispatch scripts?
[15:32] <EdwardMorbius> I will file a bug then later on if thid behavior continues. Can preinstalled apps be reinstalled?
[15:32] <kenvandine> specifically what would it look like for a hotspot?
[15:32] <kenvandine> abeato, ^^
[15:34] <drawesome> Can anyone help me build Ubuntu Touch for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (p3110)? I've found some outdated builds floating around on the internet, but no build instructions for it.
[15:35] <popey> drawesome: seen the porting guide linked in the /topic above?
[15:36] <abeato> kenvandine, apparently NM uses env vars to pass arguments to dispatcher scripts
[15:37] <drawesome> popey, Yes, but I don't understand it. I haven't worked with anything AOSP-related before
[15:37] <abeato> kenvandine, for instance CONNECTION_ID, DEVICE_IFACE, DEVICE_IP_IFACE
[15:38] <abeato> kenvandine, and also arguments, I guess interface and up/down
[15:38] <abeato> kenvandine, you can take a look at script in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d
[15:39] <kenvandine> abeato, looks like $1 is the interface and $2 is the action
[15:39] <kenvandine> abeato, any idea how i can identify if the interface is the hotspot?
[15:40] <kenvandine> abeato, i'm looking into the dispatcher script to keep the phone from sleeping
[15:40] <abeato> kenvandine, not really, maybe cyphermox could say if around
[15:43] <drawesome> Running 'lunch asop_p3110-userdebug' pulled several git repos from CyanogenMod's github, but I still get "build/core/product_config.mk:234: *** Cannot locate config makefile for product "aosp_p3110".  Stop."
[15:47] <EdwardMorbius> Is there any way to clear cache from an application, maybe that would restore here maps.
[15:49] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, ~/.cache/com.nokia.heremaps
[15:50] <EdwardMorbius> Thanks I will try that
[15:51] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, also rm -rf .cache/QML/Apps/*
[15:51] <ogra_> that has the binary caches for apps (though if you had an OTA recently that would have been flushed )
[15:57] <YamakasY> hi guys
[15:58] <YamakasY> I'm about to order a BT phone, the size between the 4,5 and 5 are almost the same or it it really "more huge"
[16:06] <popey> YamakasY: don't think many people here have the 5
[16:06] <ogra_> yet :)
[16:06] <popey> ya
[16:09] <svij> is it possible to move settings from an app from one phone to another?
[16:30] <EdwardMorbius> where should I file a bug for Nokia HERE application? Didnt find a link for it on Avengers
[16:31] <faenil> that's a good question
[16:32] <faenil> EdwardMorbius: if the bug is within the webapp you have to file it in nokia's bug reporting website
[16:35] <faenil> EdwardMorbius: I think https://developer.here.com/faqs#developer-support
[16:38] <EdwardMorbius> faenil this problem appear after 15.04 update for me so I am not sure where the "fault" is
[16:39] <faenil> what problem is it
[16:39] <EdwardMorbius> when I open the application its blank
[16:39] <EdwardMorbius> like it is loading but then nothing
[16:39] <faenil> mm
[16:39] <EdwardMorbius> a white screen and thats it
[16:40] <faenil> EdwardMorbius: maybe you could try having a look at the log of the webapp?
[16:40] <faenil> it should be inside /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/<something_like_webappNokiaHerE>
[16:41]  * faenil leaves
[16:41] <faenil> EdwardMorbius: ping me in private and I'll try to help later ;)
[16:41] <faenil> (if you don't get any hint in the log)
[16:42] <EdwardMorbius> faenil thanks I will check the log, I tried deleting the cache of the application but it didnt help
[16:47] <YamakasY> popey: oh, but next week it's going to be delivered :D
[16:47] <popey> hah
[16:47] <YamakasY> 22nd :D
[16:48] <YamakasY> popey: but it si really a better one ?
[16:48] <popey> which?
[16:49] <YamakasY> the 5, ok it's HD
[16:50] <popey> yeah, better camera I hear
[16:52] <YamakasY> popey: for the rest it's the same I see ?
[16:53] <YamakasY> better battery
[16:53] <YamakasY> that is
[16:53] <ogra_> better bettery fro driving more pixels :)
[16:53] <ogra_> *for
[16:54] <ogra_> (i guess they will level out and you end up with similar battery life as on the 4.5)
[16:54] <svij> "bettery" is a nice combination of "better" and "battery", ogra_ ;)
[16:54] <ogra_> haha
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: is it normal i can only see landscape mode on my nexus7 on rc-proposed?
[16:54] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, apps should rotate, the dash is fixed
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: ah thats what i wanted to know tnx
[16:55] <ogra_> (portrait on phones, landscape on tablets)
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: great
[16:55] <ogra_> not really :)
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: you want it otherwise?
[16:56] <ogra_> bug 1465331
[16:56] <ogra_> yes :)
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> i see :p
[16:56]  * popey subscribes
[16:57] <ogra_> hmm the last point in the last comment sounds like a new bug actually
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> but i wonder, like system settings on the right side, how will it look on portrait mode then?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> nexus7 too small for that right
[16:57] <ogra_> (though i havent used a tablet in a long time ... might always have been like that)
[16:58] <ogra_> it shouldnt use the sidestage in portrait
[16:58] <ogra_> and the sidestaged apps should turn into standalone ones
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> ah, back to tabs then
[16:59] <ogra_> butu i dont think we are there yet :)
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> alot of work for the devs :p
[16:59] <ogra_> (and tablet isnt in focus currently)
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> working smooth on n7 for me, im happey
[17:00] <ogra_> yeah, just the tablet specific bugs wont get priority ... in general it shouldnt be better or worse than the phone
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: is that why there isnt a rc for tablet?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> just rc-proposed?
[17:01] <ogra_> yes
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> all makes sense :p
[17:01] <ogra_> i think there are releases in the community channel for it though
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> ill stick to proposed no sweat :p
[17:02] <ogra_> yeah, and i was wrong
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> i hope more tablets will be supported in the future
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> nexus9 perhaps
[17:04] <ogra_> unlikely ... iirc thats arm64
[17:04] <ogra_> we dont have any 64bit images
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> ic
[17:05] <ogra_> (and it will likely be quite some work to make them work)
[17:05] <ogra_> that will indeed change once we get the first arm64 phone ;)
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> who knows what the future brings, maybe snappy can fix that?
[17:06] <ogra_> snappy wont fix the packages that do not currently build on arm64 (or whose dependencies dont build) ...
[17:06] <drawesome> Hmm, I'm having a small problem building Ubuntu Touch - http://pastebin.com/q0SpCuqW
[17:06] <drawesome> I've got zlib1g-dev installed on the host, is there another library I need?
[17:06] <ogra_> that can only be done with adding developer time, regardless of the underlying system ;)
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: ubuntu will find its way to more devices slowly bit by bit
[17:08] <ogra_> yeah
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: several users installed ubuntu desktop on tablets,chromebooks,surface pro3
[17:09] <ogra_> i know :)
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> its going great already
[17:18] <Theodin> @nik90: Do you have any plans to make flashback available to the ubuntu phone store? I havent found it on my Aquaris 4.5.
[17:19] <nik90> Theodin: I need to migrate the Trakt API to v2 before pushing it back to the ubuntu touch store.
[17:20] <nik90> Theodin: no promises, but I will see if I can get to that soon.
[17:21] <nik90> Theodin: the source code is open and available at https://github.com/krnekhelesh/flashback
[17:22] <Theodin> Ok Thanks. I am not (yet) using Trakt. Just found your app today looking for a movie database and am trying it on my Desktop.
[17:22] <Theodin> Its not loading any pics, just the orange spinners are there.
[17:23] <nik90> Theodin: yeah the trakt server do not return pics to apps which use v1 API I think
[17:23] <nik90> Theodin: also v1 API is run on only 2 servers compared to the 14 servers for v2 API. I really need to migrate asap :)
[17:23] <Theodin> so its only using trakt as a source?
[17:24] <nik90> Theodin: it is using a combination of Trakt and MovieDB. Trakt mostly for TV shows and may be also movie trends like most popular, newly released etc.
[17:25] <Theodin> ok. Do you have local storage on your ToDo list as well?
[17:26] <nik90> Theodin: yes
[17:26] <nik90> Theodin: although to revive the project, I might have to first migrate and then implement the localstorage part.
[17:31] <Theodin> Cool. I would be interested in the revival as a user, translator and bug tester :)
[17:33] <nik90> Theodin: :) I will take a look today to see how I can start planning the revival and get it to a working state asap.
[17:33] <nik90> Theodin: just follow the project on github for updates
[17:34] <Theodin> I commented one feature request on github so you should be able to contact me if you want
[17:34] <jgdx> bfiller_, I think contact import in that screen is more than nice to have, because who remembers numbers these days? :=
[17:34] <nik90> Theodin: cool, just saw the comment
[17:35] <Theodin> Thanks for your fast answers here and for developing this (and others)
[17:46] <Melio> so installed ubuntu touch on my son's nexus 4, he loves it
[17:47] <ogra_> yay
[17:48] <brobostigon> :)
[17:50] <Melio> best part is he doesnt have those stupid kid messengers all those child molestors are on
[17:50] <Melio> lol
[17:50] <Melio> can we ssh into those phones now?
[17:50] <Melio> that would be neat
[17:50] <Melio> remote admin it
[17:51] <svij> Melio: yes
[17:52] <ogra_> Melio, android-gadget-service enable ssh
[17:52] <ogra_> (in the terminal app)
[17:52] <ogra_> thats turns it on permanently ... you need to copy your key into the phablet user home ( ~/.ssh/... )
[17:54] <brobostigon> thats handy, :)
[18:52] <nik90> mardy: ping
[19:19] <brobostigon> with developer mode on, does adb shell work?
[19:19] <brobostigon> should*
[19:37] <cwayne_> yes
[19:39] <brobostigon> i just realised, i had to unlock the phone, for it to work. wooops.
[21:00] <taiebot> Waouh battery stat is going crazy went from 0% to 77% cannot trust battery readings anymore.
[21:04]  * brobostigon needs to a file a bug, gmail notification are only "primary" defined emails, not all.
[21:40] <Sconio> Bonsoir
[21:42] <Sconio> :(
[21:43] <Sconio> ou se procurer "link"
[22:11] <taiebot> Who can i ping for problem about the contact app?
[22:27] <mcphail> Just read Jono Bacon's blog post. Did he honestly think that would be a helpful discussion???
[22:32] <colbyf> is that about the android base?
[22:32] <mcphail> Yes
[22:34] <colbyf> I have emailed EnPass to see if they would make an app yesterday
[22:34] <colbyf> its a password manager but you can upload to owncloud and different things
[22:34] <colbyf> but they come back with yes its on the road map
[22:35] <colbyf> I think we should be pushing app developers to work with ubuntu
[22:36] <colbyf> its a good base plus I am sure other distros can make use of the apps if they world with canonical opening up a bigger linux base
[22:38] <mcphail> It's also an opportunity for a company to make the default app for the platform. If EnPass get there first, many Ubuntu users will become EnPass users
[22:40] <colbyf> thats what i said to them in the initial email,
[22:41] <colbyf> also promted the owncloud upload they do, would atract loads and they are on a push at the minute so fingers crossed
[22:41] <colbyf> but I think I will do that just email app developers and hope
[22:42] <colbyf> maybe we should create a topic somewhere highlighting the issue and combined power is better
[22:42] <mcphail> We maybe need some of the sync providers before their app would be useful
[22:42] <colbyf> its an idea
[22:43] <colbyf> owncloud needs to come to the phone, well for me anyway
[22:43] <mcphail> colbyf: I've put syncthing on it. Works fine
[22:43] <colbyf> enpass is build in for sync, just need a net connection
[22:43] <colbyf> ah cool
[22:43] <colbyf> just waiting in an app me lol
[23:18] <Nexus5> hi everyone
[23:18] <Nexus5> I'm looking for help getting Touch on my Nexus 5 working
[23:19] <Nexus5> I have just installed Dualboot app for android
[23:19] <Nexus5> but it says 'no channels'
[23:20] <Nexus5> I have changed 'custom_server' to the custom image server
[23:20] <Nexus5> like in this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#DualBootInstallerReference
[23:21] <Nexus5> Any advice on what to do next greatly appreciated
[23:57] <Issed> CD /