[00:44] <diddledan> this is a fun video: https://ind.ie/the-camera-panopticon/
[06:30] <DJones> Heh, Jono throwing a cat amongst the pigeons, http://www.jonobacon.org/2015/06/19/rebasing-ubuntu-on-android/
[07:01] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:24] <diplo> Morning all
[08:11] <nucc1> bonjour
[08:12] <foobarry> DJones: doesn't talk about convergence
[08:21] <bashrc> morning
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Sauntering Day! 😃
[08:40]  * bashrc will be sauntering later
[08:49] <Sebsebseb> Intrbiz ping
[08:51] <Sebsebseb> Popey ping
[08:52] <popey> wassup
[08:52] <Sebsebseb> Popey pm?
[09:00] <foobarry> finally i'm adding bookmarks again after chrome improved the bookmark manager
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <foobarry> can finally close some tabs
[09:39] <JamesTait> foobarry, "close some tabs"? What is this?
[09:39] <foobarry> took me 30 mins
[09:39] <foobarry> but i am down to < 20 tabs
[09:43] <JamesTait> foobarry, sourcery. Nothing good will come of it, I assure you.
[09:44] <foobarry> i just installed tab suspender too
[09:44] <foobarry> my pc is so slow
[09:44] <foobarry> and no more ram is possible
[09:44] <foobarry> have 8gb already
[09:44] <awilkins> Virtualbox is the CPU hungry thing here
[09:44] <nucc1> even though i have "the great suspender", i still find my tabs unweildy
[09:44] <awilkins> Although it has Windows 7 in it
[09:45] <nucc1> occasionally, i just close as many windows as i can
[09:45] <nucc1> and start with a nearly clean slate browser-wise
[09:45] <nucc1> that's my tab management strategy.
[09:45] <awilkins> Yeah, I find that helps MY stack space as well as the computer
[09:45] <awilkins> "Are you using this window for something productive? No? BYE."
[09:46] <nucc1> usually i leave a window open because i want to get to it "later"
[09:46] <nucc1> and "later" can run into weeks.
[09:46] <nucc1> since there is no seamless way of stashing a window as a todo item...
[09:46] <nucc1> hmmm, i wonder if i can submit this as feedback for gnome-shell
[10:21] <NET||abuse> hi guys. i'm being asked to setup an ubuntu desktop machine in ec2. tightvnc access somehow is one method, anyone know any other good ways to arrange remote desktop to ubuntu within aws?
[10:22] <foobarry> is the "core" of a chocolate orange the best bit or the worst bit?
[10:24] <popey> best
[10:25] <popey> its bonus chocolate
[10:26] <foobarry> doesn't taste as nice as a slice though?
[10:27] <foobarry> nucc1: do you restore automatically the tabs upon click? default setting is not to
[10:27] <foobarry> been into magnums lately
[10:27] <nucc1> foobarry: yes, i restore upon click. I'm not complaining about the suspender, my computer has plenty of resources, just that i get lost in the glut of open tabs
[10:27] <foobarry> choc+caramel one, and the pink raspberry, v nice
[10:28] <nucc1> foobarry: and so suspending or not doesn't really make a difference for me.
[10:28] <foobarry> i usually run at aroudn 50
[10:28] <foobarry> but it kills my machine
[10:28] <foobarry> esp when some take 500-800mb
[10:29] <nucc1> i count mine in the low 100s
[10:29] <popey> I am up to 60 tabs, which is good for me
[10:29] <foobarry>  sudo swapoff -a
[10:29] <foobarry> aaaaah breathe
[10:30] <nucc1> i understand why Apple pushes for PCiE SSDs.
[10:30] <nucc1> it makes swapping irrelevant.
[10:30] <foobarry> until your SSD dies of overuse
[10:30] <nucc1> at 2GBps of throughput, it makes no difference if a process is swapped or not.
[10:31] <nucc1> well, i'll just have it replaced under apple-care.
[10:31] <foobarry> £+£=££££
[10:31] <nucc1> paid for when the cmputer was bought
[10:31] <foobarry> its still money
[10:32] <nucc1> worth it for the performance and peace of mind
[10:32] <directhex> http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
[10:32] <popey> foobarry: swapoff -a is fun when you're using a fair amount of swap
[10:33] <nucc1> currently using 2.5GB of swap and not even noticing it
[10:33] <popey> i was using 1.6G but that's falling as it's now swapping it all back in
[10:33] <popey> interesting, the size of swap is shrinking as it swaps in
[10:33] <popey> KiB Swap:   705680 total,   705680 used,        0 free.  3678032 cached Mem
[10:33] <popey> KiB Swap:   692852 total,   692852 used,        0 free.  3656256 cached Mem
[10:34] <popey> etc
[10:34] <foobarry> Swap:            0          0          0
[10:34] <foobarry> swapped in 1gb
[10:38] <nucc1> interesting article, foobarry
[10:41] <nucc1> my chrome reports 127 tabs across 7 windows. time to do some reaping.
[10:43] <foobarry> usually 80-20 rule
[10:43] <foobarry> 20 tabs eat 80% of RAM
[10:45] <NET||abuse> is OpenNX no longer maintained?
[10:45] <NET||abuse> Is there something more useful out therenow?
[10:45] <foobarry> x2go
[10:50] <Myrtti> should DHL's tracking in general work?
[10:50] <Myrtti> coz it's not.
[10:53] <popey> KiB Swap:        0 total,        0 used,        0 free.  3140080 cached Mem
[10:54] <foobarry> doin't forget to swapon again :P
[10:54] <awilkins> DPD is the best courier for tracking
[10:54] <foobarry> my shuttle disk fell off the PC and died :(
[10:54] <awilkins> I wish all the couriers would do what they do
[10:55] <awilkins> THey have an online map that shows their courier van location and tells you where you are in the queue and how long it's probably going to take
[10:55] <awilkins> DHL : the best innovation from them is they will put your parcel in a local "parcel hotel" if you ask them to.
[11:12] <Myrtti> cconvergence convergence convergence. Convergence convergence convergence.
[11:20] <Laney> ccccccoooooonnnnnnvvvvvveeeeeerrrrrrggggggeeeeeennnnnncccccceeeeee
[11:20]  * Laney converged the words
[11:21] <foobarry> dumb colleague opens his window whatever weather
[11:21] <foobarry> its freezing in here
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> maybe he just wants you to suffer...
[11:47] <ujjain> is richmond nice to go out?
[11:48] <popey> richmond park, yes.
[11:48] <popey> or richmond the town, for evening drink/eats?
[11:53] <foobarry> or richmond the goth
[11:54] <foobarry> http://giphy.com/gifs/funny-it-crowd-PjBoEmdCWIAE0
[12:08] <Laney> FENTON
[12:12] <Myrtti> FEEEEEENNNNTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNN
[12:13] <Myrtti> I'm going to drown the universe into knitted Moomin things. I just realised the little characters on moomin.com are svg files, so I'll relentlessly use this opportunity to transform them into knitting patterns on my knitting machine.
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of self replicating moomin creator...
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> oh no, moomin perpetual..
[12:27] <foobarry> moomin are loomin'
[12:27] <foobarry> on my loom
[12:34] <Myrtti> https://instagram.com/p/4FSt7DoE0P/ and https://instagram.com/p/4CXesLoE2j so far
[12:34] <Myrtti> I've got high hopes
[12:35] <Myrtti> the original sheets and their patterns are only 60 stiches wide but the Arduino upgrade allows me to use the whole 200 pins on the needle bed for fair isle patterns
[12:36] <Myrtti> but stupid DHL doesn't show where my board is
[12:43] <foobarry> doesn't it take the fun out of kmnitting?
[12:47] <foobarry> wow its massive machine
[12:51] <Myrtti> foobarry: depends on how much fun you're having doing a massive nonrepeating knitting pattern of 200 stiches
[12:51] <Myrtti> I tried do knit myself a jumper. It got boring before I got into armpits when knitting down from the collar.
[12:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:55] <bashrc> morning
[12:57] <bigcalm> Looking for a WAP that will let me serve two SSID for two networks. Any thoughts?
[12:57] <foobarry> i thought my brothers VM one did it
[12:57] <foobarry> is it a feature in openwrt?
[12:57] <nucc1> ithink it's a pretty common feature now, just can't remember any particular one
[12:58] <foobarry> you can set your kids on one network and you on the other
[12:58] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: aerohive
[12:58] <bigcalm> DHCP and routing will be managed by a separate server. Just need to give the networks wifi
[12:58] <nucc1> for instance, most AC capable APs by nature have to serve 802.11n in one AP and 802.11ac in another.
[12:59] <bigcalm> intrbiz_cr: thanks. At the coffee shop I take it?
[12:59] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: yup, just in the village
[12:59] <popey> bigcalm: my WNDR3700 running openwrt or dd-wrt can do that
[12:59] <popey> but they'd be on different channels, one on 2.4, one on 5
[12:59] <bigcalm> popey: good point. The one I bought off you did that too
[12:59] <intrbiz_cr> bigcalm: remember you'll need something which can split the virtual APs onto different vlans
[13:00] <nucc1> i'm thinking you might be better off just buying two cheap wifi routers.
[13:00] <bigcalm> intrbiz_cr: good point. Might be easier to have 1 device with two cables or two devices with 1 cable each
[13:02] <bigcalm> I'll rummage though the boxes of bricks in the office. Bound to be something we can use. Just won't look very good imo
[13:05] <foobarry> mint chewing gum and vimto, not nice
[13:05] <NET||abuse> foobarry: you said x2go then? Sounds like a plan. Thanks for that.  Eeverytime i take a second to be on irc today i'm called away :P
[13:10] <bigcalm> 6 zombies on a server. Should I be concerned?
[13:14] <bigcalm> Now down to 3 zombies. I guess they sort themselves out?
[13:17] <nucc1> i think you don't need to worry
[13:17] <nucc1> a zombie iirc, is just a process whose parent has died without releasing it or something…
[13:18] <nucc1> https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Zombie_process
[13:19] <nucc1> anyway, you only worry about them if you are concerned abut resources, or if you think there's a bug somewhere causing a high volume of them
[13:20] <intrbiz> a zombie is a terminated process where the parent has not read its exit status, a parent failing to reap the children indicates a bug
[13:21] <bigcalm> Thanks for the clarification
[13:22] <foobarry> hows the ostrich pillow popey
[13:22] <nucc1> or it has simply not got around to it yet
[13:22] <foobarry> what happens when you drool on it
[13:22] <popey> your mouth isn't inside the pillot
[13:22] <popey> *pillow
[13:22] <foobarry> i really want one atm
[13:22] <foobarry> been awake for too long today
[13:23] <foobarry> 2yr old throwing things at me while i lay on her bed
[13:23] <bigcalm> Get your own bed then
[13:23] <foobarry> its not v comfy either
[13:23] <foobarry> i was in my own bed til 5am
[13:23] <popey> my daughter wants a new bed
[13:23] <popey> she has one of those ones where you climb a ladder
[13:24] <foobarry> i bought  a cabin bed
[13:24] <foobarry> for boy
[13:24] <popey> she wants a "normal" bed which is a good idea, then I can borrow it when she's away :)
[13:24] <foobarry> will sam get the bacin bed?
[13:24] <foobarry> cabin
[13:24] <foobarry> mmm baco
[13:24] <foobarry> n
[13:28] <popey> he has one too
[13:29] <foobarry> my sons one has a den underneath
[13:29] <foobarry> you can go all the way round the back. mine never had that
[13:31] <popey> yeah, same here
[13:31] <popey> but they just dump their crap under it
[13:42] <ali1234> why is firefox showing twice in top?
[13:42] <ali1234> once as "firefox" and once as "Media D~ode #72"
[14:08] <Myrtti> is DHL really as useless as it seems or am I imagining things?
[14:57] <nucc1> i think Royal Mail is by far the best courier. Followed by UPS.
[14:58] <nucc1> DHL is big in some countries, but not quite so in the UK.
[14:58] <nucc1> didn't they merge with Yodel or something?
[15:03] <bigcalm> DPD is grand :D
[15:04] <nucc1> DPD's tracking is good, and they work well if you live at a well-known address.
[15:05] <nucc1> my address is hard to find, and only Royal mail reliably gets it.
[15:05] <nucc1> I literally got into a quarrel with DPD last year because they returned too many of my parcels without even bothering to give me a call
[15:05] <nucc1> or even leaving a "sorry we missed you" card.
[15:06] <nucc1> they claimed they didn't leave a card for security purposes (it was in an apartment complex with controlled access, and they'd have to leave the card in the lobby)
[15:07] <nucc1> i had to tell them on the phone at another time "use Google maps, it knows where my house is"
[15:25] <Myrtti> wohey, the parcel has moved!
[15:25] <Myrtti> took two days for it to do anything
[15:25] <Myrtti> still in Germany, tho
[15:45] <diddledan> yey?
[15:54] <bigcalm> intrbiz: just found this in the box of bits: http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/legacy/ap-800
[16:30] <bujji> rsync use case...?
[16:31] <daftykins> the name kinda gives it away
[16:31] <daftykins> synchronise data between points A and B
[16:32] <daftykins> also read "man rsync"
[16:32] <diddledan> daftykins: nowai
[16:32] <daftykins> diddledan: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0lnzf119gp2242u/IMG_20150619_171038.jpg?dl=0
[16:32] <daftykins> the decking staining has commenced!
[16:32] <diddledan> *click*
[16:33] <diddledan> hmm, I think you spilt something - it's all stained
[16:33] <daftykins> :D
[16:33] <diddledan> \o/
[16:34] <daftykins> just got word the client who dunked his UK + world travel mobile now has his local one not power on
[16:34] <daftykins> XD
[16:34] <bujji> if i modified same file in A and B...what happen if we use rsync
[16:34] <diddledan> >.<
[16:34] <daftykins> bujji: the man page will tell you.
[16:34] <daftykins> you get to choose!
[16:35] <diddledan> so I used to play this. the rebirth promised never happened: https://web.archive.org/web/20030606170203/http://www.empirequest.com/
[16:36] <diddledan> it was an MMO before the term was invented
[16:36] <daftykins> it's either in a really grimy bath tub or green space
[16:36] <diddledan> yes
[16:37] <diddledan> there wasn't any graphics - it was purely html
[16:38] <diddledan> that image is a depiction of someone's imagination rather than a representation of the game
[16:38] <daftykins> ah i see
[16:41] <diddledan> wow html from that era is evil
[16:42] <bujji> nice one
[16:58] <bujji> skipping non-regular file "hello/file1.txt" when i do rsync
[16:59] <diddledan> "that's nice"
[16:59] <daftykins> ^
[17:03] <bujji> diddledan:why it's skipping non regular files?
[17:03] <diddledan> for reference as to why I say "that's nice" see: https://youtu.be/JddNDtC-Yrs?t=21
[17:04] <diddledan> note, swearwords included in that link
[17:05] <daftykins> dat's nice Mrs. Brown
[17:06] <diddledan> I went for electrocution lessons once. Wasn't quite what I had planned.
[17:06] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <diddledan> was pretty shocking, I can tell you!
[17:07] <daftykins> I bet you've never felt so a-live
[17:07] <diddledan> well it reminded me of a band, ac/dc
[17:07] <daftykins> I'm sure you felt thunderstruck
[17:08] <diddledan> my eyes lit-up
[17:09] <diddledan> now, unrelated, is it acceptible to set a filesystem label on an hdd as "BigNHard"?
[17:11] <daftykins> i think that belongs in the same category as people who call their PC's "beast"
[17:16] <bujji> crw-rw----   1 root tty       7, 128 Jun 15 18:45 vcsa i copied this file to /opt it become regular file like this-rw-rw----   1 root tty       7, 128 Jun 15 18:45 vcsa
[17:19] <bujji> why.../
[17:25] <diddledan> because cp copies the contents of files
[17:26] <diddledan> it doesn't care what the file is. it will just open it, read the data, and write that to a NEW file with default settings
[17:27] <diddledan> although block device files may be treated differently
[17:27] <diddledan> it's best to not try copying block devices tho
[17:29] <bujji> its changing the type of file.
[17:30] <diddledan> no it's not
[17:30] <diddledan> it's making a new file
[17:31] <bujji> contents is there but its not readable..
[17:33] <daftykins> what even is that file?
[17:33] <daftykins> why did your messy paste begin with 'c' ?
[17:33] <diddledan> daftykins: it's a character-device
[17:33] <daftykins> o0
[17:33] <diddledan> similar to a block-device file but is unbuffered
[17:34] <daftykins> how odd!
[17:36] <bujji> idk
[17:37] <diddledan> looks like major number 7 is for the VCS subsystem which is apparently "virtual console memory"
[17:39] <daftykins> bujji: so sounds like your first attempt at using rsync was a bad one, only you didn't tell us what you ran so you're expecting us to guess
[17:40] <diddledan> why you feel the desire to copy device-files is another question entirely
[17:40] <daftykins> :D
[17:40] <bujji> i did,there was a linked file while performing rsync
[17:41] <bujji> copying that device file is odd one.
[17:46] <bujji> diddledan:why its not copying that link file.
[17:46] <diddledan> huh?
[17:47] <bujji> rsync
[17:47] <diddledan> what link file?
[17:48] <bujji> it's a normal link file
[17:48] <diddledan> that's nice
[17:48] <diddledan> I've got a few of those too
[17:49] <daftykins> bujji: you don't make any sense
[17:49] <diddledan> esr's how to ask questions might be required
[17:50] <diddledan> it's a bit trolly tho
[17:54] <bujji_> daftykins:rsync -rv ./hello /opt/sample/
[17:55] <daftykins> it's not very useful to give a relative path in an example when you don't know your cwd
[17:55] <bujji_> hello contains lined file..but its not copying that file remaining copied
[17:56] <daftykins> yeah still impossible English.
[17:56] <bujji_> )
[17:57] <bujji_> pwd--->/opt
[18:00] <bujji_> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    8 Jun  6 23:28 file1.txt -> file.txt* this is the linked file.
[18:03] <bujji_> daftykins:https://bpaste.net/show/2d98698b0a8e
[18:07] <bujji_> diddledan:o/
[18:09] <diddledan> bujji_: the manpage will explain
[18:15] <bujji_> -l ..i used copied
[18:17] <diddledan> here's a grep of the relevant options: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11741591/
[18:35] <diddledan> well this is just silly: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/should-ubuntu-phone-ditch-debian-for-android
[18:37] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[18:37] <daftykins> someone in another channel posted a jono bacon one which was mostly in jest
[18:38] <daftykins> so i don't know if that's piggy-backing off the same
[18:38] <brobostigon> yes, its because of the blog post of his.
[18:39] <daftykins> so it's not really serious then :>
[18:40] <brobostigon> he makes a serious point, about application availability on smaller platforms.
[18:40] <brobostigon> observation*
[18:41] <diddledan> the poll on the omgubuntu page is evenly split between "don't be an android system at all and don't even run android apps" and "run android apps but be an android system"
[18:42] <diddledan> don't be an android system*
[18:42] <diddledan> that second one is the "middle ground" option
[18:42] <ali1234> well luckily running android apps is pretty easy
[18:42] <diddledan> Middle ground: Ubuntu Phone should support Android apps  44.33%  (539 votes)
[18:42] <diddledan> No, Ubuntu Phone should stay as is: one codebase, all the things  41.61%  (506 votes)
[18:43] <brobostigon> the other option is have an optional android runtime, like in sailfish os, that you can use if you want to.
[18:43] <brobostigon> without actually using android at all.
[18:43] <ali1234> yeah. they could even license the very same one
[18:44] <brobostigon> however the better is native app, without the overhead in a system of emulation like that.
[18:44] <brobostigon> apps*
[18:45] <ali1234> theres no such thing as native apps any more
[18:45] <ali1234> it's either java, or html5/javascript, or QML/javascript
[18:45] <brobostigon> or c++
[18:46] <ali1234> NDK, yeah. but not many people use it
[18:46] <brobostigon> any platform, not just ndk on android.
[18:51] <ali1234> you know what's really silly? this stupid monster game
[18:52] <diddledan> monster game?
[18:52] <ali1234> steam summer sale event
[18:52] <ali1234> it's like multiplayer cookie clicker
[18:52] <diddledan> aah
[18:52] <ali1234> the metagame is brilliant though
[18:53] <ali1234> people are losing it just to get a badge
[18:53] <ali1234> the whole thing is set up to be completely impossible without using scripts to cheat
[18:54] <ali1234> now people are counter scripting to try to make the scripters fail
[18:57] <ali1234> this much be absolutely hammering valve servers too
[18:58] <ali1234> 1M people are sending like 100 clicks per second to this game
[19:01] <directhex> ali1234: as long as nobody thinks the metagame wasn't intentional
[19:02] <ali1234> of course it was
[19:02] <ali1234> as i said, it's impossible to get any of the badges without coordinated scripting
[19:03] <directhex> "boss nuker" is now the cruellest insult known to gamerkind
[19:04] <ali1234> no way, WH on _99 is worse
[19:04] <ali1234> nobody does that accidentally
[19:05] <ali1234> btw, do you have anything to do with this YeOldeWH?
[19:06] <directhex> no
[19:10] <diddledan> WH?>
[19:12] <ali1234> diddledan: it's complicated
[19:27] <directhex> i think someone just unplugged my car while it was charging @_@
[19:27] <daftykins> D:
[19:27] <daftykins> at home or?
[19:28] <directhex> daftykins: yeah. i still don#t have a proper charge point, so i have a bs1363 extension hanging out of the letterbox.
[19:29] <diddledan> lol
[19:29] <directhex> daftykins: car started emitting a warning alarm, went downstairs & plug was just sat there next to the charger
[19:29] <daftykins> D:
[19:29] <daftykins> interfering blighters!
[19:36] <diddledan> so, remote X11.. running `ubuntu-sdk`: QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display localhost:10.0
[19:37] <diddledan> that's a really helpful message because the shell I'm running the ubuntu-sdk command is a gnome-terminal running on the same DISPLAY
[19:41] <ali1234> diddledan: :10.0 doesn't sound right at all
[19:41] <ali1234> what exactly you trying to do?
[19:41] <diddledan> ali1234: remote X11 <-- as I said
[19:42] <ali1234> nothing unusual? no nested servers or multiple servers on same machine?
[19:43] <diddledan> no. I've got an ssh with X11 forwarding turned-on. in that ssh session I ran gnome-terminal (run as a command passed directly by ssh rather than via bash in a controlling pseudo-terminal). in the gnome-terminal I try running "ubuntu-sdk"
[19:46] <diddledan> it seems running xterm doesn't work either
[19:46] <diddledan> (running xterm from the gnome-terminal session)
[19:46] <diddledan> so something's wonky in my x11-forwarding?
[19:47] <ali1234> ah
[19:48] <ali1234> gnome-terminal probably broke everything
[19:48] <diddledan> oh
[19:48] <ali1234> try running an xterm as the ssh command
[19:49] <diddledan> yeah that seems to be not dying immediately when executing "ubuntu-sdk" but no window is appearing
[19:50] <diddledan> there's two libGL messages
[19:50]  * diddledan pastebins it
[19:50] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11742032/
[19:50] <diddledan> time was that remote X11 was easy
[19:51] <diddledan> I hate to think what I'll do when mir and wayland eschew X11 entirely
[19:51] <ali1234> that is probably a Qt error
[19:51] <ali1234> don't use them?
[20:01] <diddledan> glxgears works, though not locked to my display framerate assumably because it's remote and can't detect the refresh of the display so it just dumps 2000fps down the wire
[20:04] <ali1234> right but Qt uses render backends
[20:04] <ali1234> you probably don't have the software based one which is needed for X11 remote
[20:05] <ali1234> more than that I don't know
[20:19] <diddledan> hmm
[20:21] <ali1234> try asking in #qt maybe
[20:39] <diddledan> interesting, I've found a thread on qt-project.org's interest mailing-list which says "the X11 paint engine is gone. When working with remote desktops Qt5 is almost a no-go."
[20:46] <ali1234> yeah
[20:46] <ali1234> suggest writing a stern complaint
[21:10]  * diddledan writes a blog about it and hopes that a random developer will randomly read it and randomly fix it :-p
[21:10] <diddledan> "what do you mean you've never been to alpha centauri?"
[21:13]  * brobostigon has another bug to write up.
[21:14] <ali1234> diddledan: if it's any comfort, x11 remoting really is rather bad in this day and age
[21:14] <ali1234> GPU assisted h264 streams will absolutely destroy it
[21:14] <ali1234> it's just a matter of waiting for that stuff to be implemented
[21:15] <diddledan> yeah but I don't want to have "my local system" and "my remote system in a window"
[21:15] <ali1234> you won't need to
[21:15] <diddledan> they're working on window-level h264 streams?
[21:15] <ali1234> wayland is designed such that each surface can be a separate stream
[21:16] <ali1234> nobody is working on any of this stuff yet, but they will
[21:16] <ali1234> the thing about wayland is it doesn't care where the pixels come from or where they go
[21:17] <ali1234> it doesn't even have a concept of windows
[21:17] <ali1234> only surfaces
[21:17] <ali1234> the downside to this is it's a lot harder to work with than the developers claim, if your goal is a traditional desktop
[22:42] <diddledan> microsoft: "The Insider community is truly an international community, we have Windows Insiders from all over the world, and that diversity is what makes the Windows Insider Program so valuable to us. There are only 4 countries on the planet that don’t have a Windows Insider running Windows 10!"
[22:44] <ali1234> iraq, afganistan, north korea, ???
[22:44] <ali1234> cuba probably
[22:44] <diddledan> the only one of those that I'm sure probably doesn't have an insider is NK
[22:46] <diddledan> iraq and afghanistan do have some savvy peapolobes that might be interested to contribute, and they don't have totalitarian regimes preventing such
[22:48] <ali1234> cuba, iran, NK, sudan, syria - all in the highest level "terror supporting" embargoed countries
[22:49] <diddledan> I would guess the 4 non-participating countries will be out of that list then
[22:50] <diddledan> cuba might be the odd-one-out methinks becasue america is talking with them again these days
[22:50] <ali1234> yes, plus they love to send them internets
[23:08] <diddledan> popey: your tv is awesome!
[23:09] <daftykins> o0
[23:11] <diddledan_> and my system hangs as I say that last line
[23:12] <daftykins> your 10 box?
[23:13] <diddledan_> yup
[23:13] <daftykins> i doubt it's the OS making it so :D
[23:13] <diddledan_> 10 is my daily driver
[23:13] <diddledan_> I'm a sucker for punishment :-p
[23:13] <daftykins> Myrtti: heh i totally predicted it re: the disconnected speaker, how crazy
[23:18] <diddledan_> haha! http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1016273-brilliant-things-users-have-done-that-caused-it-headaches
[23:25] <ali1234> in school we had eudora. we all set up filters to forward all emails to each other and filled the server in about 10 minutes
[23:26] <ali1234> i think it was 4GB