[05:49] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:00] <Kilos> morningmazand others
[06:00] <Kilos> ai!
[06:00] <Kilos> mazal  inetpro  and others
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:34] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:44] <Kilos> koud ne
[06:52] <mazal> More Kilos , inetpro
[06:52] <mazal> and ThatGraemeGuy
[06:53] <mazal> and who did I miss ?
[06:53] <Kilos> others till shivering
[07:38] <Padroni> hellooooooooo
[07:38] <Padroni> how are you guys
[07:38] <Kilos> hi Padroni  ok ty and you?
[07:38] <Padroni> I"m good
[07:38] <Kilos> cold
[07:38] <Padroni> yeah, isn't it?
[07:39] <Kilos> wassup you?
[07:39] <Padroni> hi barrydk
[07:39] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[07:44] <superfly> sup Padroni, Kilos, barrydk, MaNI
[07:44] <MaNI> morning
[07:44] <Kilos> hello superfly  hows the family in this cold
[07:44] <Kilos> hi MaNI  
[07:45] <Padroni> I'm on a Game of Thrones marathon
[07:45] <Padroni> just about done with season 2
[07:46] <Kilos> i enjoyed that program
[07:52] <Padroni> I haven't seen season 5 yet
[07:52] <Padroni> so rushing through it from the start to get to S05
[07:54] <Kilos> whew dfont you work?
[07:54] <Kilos> dont either
[07:54] <Padroni> yes
[07:54] <Padroni> but I multi=task
[07:54] <Padroni> i have 4 monitors on my desk
[07:54] <Kilos> haha
[07:55] <Padroni> also
[07:55] <Padroni> it's friday
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <Padroni> I reach counterproductive 'o clock at 9:20-ish
[07:55] <MaNI> I need to get the last episode
[07:55] <MaNI> before someone ruins it for me :P
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:56] <Padroni> my FB peeps know
[07:57] <Padroni> any spoilers, and I unfriend you
[07:57] <Padroni> so far I lost 3 people
[07:57] <MaNI> heh
[07:57] <Padroni> but it's their own doing
[07:58] <MaNI> can't decide whether to buy expensive local charge controller or import cheap chinese one
[07:58] <Kilos> chinese products have improved lots
[07:59] <Kilos> what is a charge controller anyway
[07:59] <MaNI> yeah - which makes the decision tougher
[07:59] <MaNI> solar panels -> charge controller -> batteries
[07:59] <Kilos> import means the customs peeps again
[07:59] <Padroni> I want cheap solar panels 
[07:59] <Padroni> can't believe it is still so expensive
[07:59] <MaNI> it scales the voltage from the panels to the optimum level to charge batteries without destroying them
[08:00] <MaNI> Padroni, what would you consider cheap and which province you in?
[08:00] <Padroni> basically a step-down / step-up transformer?
[08:00] <Kilos> you can make that MaNI  
[08:00] <Padroni> was thinking the same thing
[08:00] <MaNI> probably but they are apparently quite fancy, not sure :P
[08:01] <MaNI> also they generally take up to 150 in and output between 12-48
[08:01] <Kilos> you can buy chips that do all that for you
[08:02] <Kilos> used to need zener diodes and things before
[08:02] <Kilos> you were looking for a reason to use the weller
[08:03] <MaNI> the panels I got work out to R8.10/w inclusive if you are in durban (no minimum order size), a bit more if you need to ship them :(
[08:03] <MaNI> still a bit more than I'd like them to be but heading in the right direction
[08:03] <MaNI> R6/w would be magic
[08:04] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <MaNI> the ~R12/w that most places seem to try sell for is daylight robbery
[08:08] <MaNI> charge controller - I'd love to design my own but it seems maybe a bit ambitious for a starter project don't want to burn my house down :p Playing with 150v 50a makes me nervous 
[08:08] <MaNI> http://www.instructables.com/id/ARDUINO-SOLAR-CHARGE-CONTROLLER-Version-20/ <- theres an arduino one but its only 10a
[08:09] <Padroni> yeah 50A will burn your fingers right off if you get it wrong
[08:10] <superfly> I'm really keen to reduce my dependence on the grid
[08:10] <superfly> but it's so expensive -_-
[08:11] <MaNI> the grid is also expensive :p
[08:12] <MaNI> I'm estimating 3-4 year payback on my small system, depending on how much I splurge on the charge controller now (and ignoring that the panels remain an asset that could be sold - so just on power savings) 
[08:12] <MaNI> thats not bad
[08:12] <MaNI> and its 'only' a ~R20k investment instead of a large one like most people are doing
[08:14] <Kilos> only
[08:14] <MaNI> well if you consider what the average south african seems to spend on a tv or a fancy car they don't need its not a completely out of reach sum
[08:15] <Kilos> nope not for them kinda peeps
[08:15] <MaNI> what I mean is it isn't >150k like most the articles seem to mention, which quite rightly scares people away :p
[08:16] <MaNI> 20k is still a big investment for me, but the payoff is relatively sage and not super long term, plus I get to play with geek stuff and laugh at load shedding once its up :p
[08:16] <MaNI> *safe
[08:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:17] <Kilos> just that part makes it worth it
[08:18] <MaNI> could probably get something okay up for like 8k even at a stretch, and then just add a panel a year to improve it
[08:27] <MaNI> Kilos, customs not so bad if it comes through EPS, only normal post that it sucks 
[08:27] <MaNI> also the chinese stuff seems to be more 'open' in terms of controlling it via external software etc. so thats another thing that makes the chinese stuff tempting
[08:31] <superfly> MaNI: I don't have ~20k. in fact, I don't have ~2k
[08:32] <MaNI> yeah then you are screwed :(
[08:32] <superfly> food for kids >>> anything else
[08:32] <MaNI> this is why I didn't have kids :)
[08:41] <superfly> MaNI: that's a lame excuse
[08:41] <superfly> MaNI: and an insult
[08:42] <MaNI> I'm sorry if you feel that way, it was not intended as an insult, just a fact kids are really expensive
[08:42] <superfly> wow, the "sound like I'm apologising but I'm not really" trick
[08:43] <superfly> It wasn't an insult to me, more to kids
[08:44] <superfly> Just think, if your parents thought that kids were too expensive, you've never have been born.
[08:44] <superfly> *you'd
[08:44] <MaNI> everyones situation is unique
[08:44] <MaNI> besides, I was an accident *shrug*
[08:44] <magespawn> good morning
[08:45] <superfly> MaNI: the best kind of "accident" -- I don't believe in accidents
[08:45] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[08:45] <superfly> MaNI: if you ever do get to that point, your perspective is going to change a lot
[08:48] <MaNI> That seems rather forcing of your world view, you don't know enough about me to say that. Anyway I'm not really looking to argue about children right now, it was just a light hearted comment and I'm sorry if you feel strongly about it
[08:51] <mazal> Sjoe , if I didn't know better I would thought it's Monday
[08:59] <superfly> MaNI: I'm not forcing my view, I'm just telling it like it is.
[08:59] <mazal> Hey superfly
[08:59] <superfly> hi mazal
[08:59] <mazal> How goes ?
[09:00] <superfly> not too bad, just a little cold
[09:01] <mazal> Where be you and Zak these days , that uncapped are not being utilized lol :)
[09:02] <superfly> mazal: probably just because there is not limit, there's no need to max it out :-)
[09:02] <mazal> hehehehe
[09:02] <superfly> Zak and Josiah LOVE watching stuff on YouTube
[09:03] <superfly> mazal: in terms of minetest, just too busy
[09:04] <superfly> this past weekend we attended a wedding
[09:04] <mazal> Does they minecraft also or just minetest ?
[09:04] <superfly> and on Tuesday we were out with my parents
[09:04] <superfly> only Minetest
[09:04] <superfly> I raise them on open source ;-)
[09:05] <mazal> There are tons of build videos for mc on youtube that they should enjoy. Basics apply for minetest also
[09:05] <mazal> I watched a few and it;s crazy what complex buildings people can come up with
[09:06] <mazal> They are raised well then :) I miss my M$ free days at home :(
[09:09] <Padroni> I also didn't like kids until I had my own
[09:09] <Padroni> it changes you
[09:11] <magespawn> change is a good thing most of the time, and kids are pretty amazing
[09:24] <MaNI> http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Jobless-man-builds-helicopter-with-recycled-material-20150619 <- win 
[09:43] <Padroni> Right 
[09:43] <Padroni> I am off
[09:43] <Padroni> gotta get some studying done
[09:43] <Padroni> laters folks.
[09:43] <Kilos> ok 
[09:44] <Kilos> learn hard
[10:10] <magespawn> okay then, i think that helicopter might need more than a safety inspection before it can fly
[10:45]  * mazal fiddles
[10:48] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch today
[10:48] <Maaz> mazal: How about some sushi?
[10:48] <mazal> uhm........NO
[13:08] <magespawn> later all
[13:10] <inetpro> good evening
[13:10] <inetpro> oops... not quite, I guess
[14:05] <Kilos> lol
[14:05] <inetpro> eish!
[14:05] <inetpro> Kilos: loadshedding is on again from 17:00
[14:06] <Kilos> eish!
[14:06] <Kilos> ty
[14:06] <inetpro> but maybe you be lucky again like me
[14:06]  * inetpro not affected 
[14:06] <Kilos> oh
[14:07] <Kilos> what dfid we do to deserve their kind regard
[14:07] <Kilos> did
[14:09] <inetpro> Kilos: the schedule 
[14:09] <Kilos> lol
[14:09] <inetpro> look in the schedule
[14:10] <Kilos> na i dont have that any more
[14:10] <inetpro> ai!
[14:10] <Kilos> i trust you
[14:10]  * inetpro can never be trusted
[14:10] <Kilos> in his own onpinion ya
[14:11] <Kilos> opinion
[14:11] <Kilos> just leave my trust for my goosie alone
[14:54] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:12] <MaNI> EMS vs UPS, any opinions?
[16:12] <MaNI> or experience? :p
[16:18] <Kilos> whats ems
[16:19] <Kilos> MaNI  ?
[16:19] <MaNI> courier/shipping
[16:20] <MaNI> just wondering which is faster, someone who has used them both might have a good idea
[16:20] <Kilos> takealot is free delivery this month
[16:21] <MaNI> takealot is almost alway free delivery unless you order tiny orders :p
[16:21] <Kilos> ah
[16:22] <MaNI> they are pretty decent though
[16:23] <MaNI> mr delivery express (takelot) can never find my house for some reason
[16:23] <Kilos> give them your gps co-ords
[17:28] <gremble> o/
[17:31] <Kilos> o/
[17:34] <gremble> Anyone doing anything fun?
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <Kilos> shivering
[17:36] <gremble> I'm not sure that is considered fun
[17:36] <gremble> :P
[17:36] <gremble> I fixed the valve last night 
[17:36] <Kilos> easy hey
[17:37] <gremble> It was an issue with the little button, I gave it a wiggle and it stopped leaking
[17:37] <gremble> I told my mother to go get her some valve caps
[17:37] <Kilos> yes just gets stuck on one side of the actually sealing ring
[17:38] <Kilos> thats why i use spit or water with the pump before changing the valve
[17:46] <Kilos> s/just/dust
[18:27] <Kilos> yay no shedding again
[18:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:05] <smile> Hoi :)
[20:05] <gremble> Are you very much a night owl, smile?
[20:06] <smile> gremble: is jy n native Afrikaans spreker?
[20:06] <inetpro> good morning 
[20:06] <smile> gremble: because I am so late?
[20:06] <inetpro> oops, evening as well 
[20:06] <gremble> You're usually online late, yes
[20:06] <gremble> I am bilingual, native in both English and Afrikaans
[20:06] <gremble> :P
[20:07] <gremble> But I usually prefer english, as I am able to express myself better in it
[20:07] <smile> Would you like to help me? :)
[20:08]  * inetpro was watching the sound of music with the kids 
[20:08] <smile> I would like to have an Afrikaans translation for vlc lyrics finder 
[20:08] <inetpro> gremble: that's some fun for you 
[20:09] <gremble> I'm willing to help smile
[20:09] <gremble> Mary Poppins > Sound of music
[20:09] <gremble> :P
[20:09] <smile> gremble: http://github.com/Smile4ever/VLC-Lyrics-Finder
[20:09] <gremble> I used to watch the shit out of Mary Poppins. Only now that I am older I realise that the medicine she gave them was drugs and the kids were stoned out of their minds the entire duration of the movie
[20:10] <inetpro> ai! 
[20:11] <gremble> smile: of the files in the locale folder?
[20:11] <gremble> Oh, nevermind 
[20:12] <gremble> I found the link at the bottom
[20:12] <smile> Gremble: its easy: scroll down, its on transifex I think
[20:12] <smile> :-D
[20:12] <smile> I hope I configured Afrikaans already
[20:13] <smile> Do you have experience with transifex?
[20:14] <gremble> smile: No experience yet. 
[20:14] <gremble> There doesn't seem to be something for afrikaans on your project listing though
[20:14] <gremble> :P
[20:14] <gremble> Should I 'request a language'?
[20:15] <smile> No I will add it later. :) can you perhaps take eng.xml from the locale folder and translate that?
[20:16] <gremble> Alright
[20:16] <smile> Just afrikaans instead of english inside the xml
[20:16] <smile> You can mail the afrikaans xml to smile4ever@wikipedia.be
[20:17] <gremble> Alright. Let me finish up this chapter of work and I'll get right on it :P
[20:17] <inetpro> I guess tomorrow is another day... Good night 
[20:17] <smile> Nice! :)
[20:18] <gremble> Good night inetpro 
[20:18] <smile> Good night
[20:19] <smile> It was stupid of me, not adding afrikaans to the languages :-O
[20:21] <gremble> You even have arabic and chinese..
[20:21] <gremble> :P
[20:21] <smile> Yeah
[20:21] <smile> :)
[20:22] <smile> If you click chinese for example, you get translation info for every text
[20:22] <smile> At least I hope
[20:22] <smile> That translation info may help you
[20:23] <gremble> Yup.
[20:24] <smile> Yay. If its not clear what you are translating, please ask context :)
[20:25] <gremble> Unless I got lost, these are just very short phrases relating to finding lyrics for songs. I don't think it'll be that difficult haha
[20:26] <smile> Lol :) the "switch" text is probably the hardest
[20:27] <gremble> Changes the song?
[20:28] <gremble> Omvisselen sounds like it could be like, verander or verwissel. Although I think the former is better than the latter
[20:29] <smile> Omvisselen? And not omwisselen?
[20:29] <smile> No
[20:29] <gremble> Sorry, typo on my end
[20:29] <gremble> Omwisselen
[20:29] <gremble> :P
[20:29] <smile> Switches the artist text with the title text
[20:30] <smile> If they were typed in the wrong textbox by mistake
[20:30] <gremble> Ah
[20:30] <gremble> then it is verwissel, but ruil om would be more clear. 
[20:30] <gremble> Thanks for alerting me to that
[20:31] <smile> But the problem is I cant put a long description there
[20:31] <smile> Ruil om is good for me, too
[20:36] <smile> gremble: will you try lyrics finder? :-D
[20:37] <gremble> Ofc
[20:38] <smile> :-D make sure they have meta data or the correct file name
[20:38] <gremble> I can always just do a pull request and send you the xml that way?
[20:39] <smile> Yeah, you can try it that way :-D you gonna fork me? :-O
[20:40] <smile> afr.xml is the required file name I think
[20:41] <gremble> That is usually how it goes. I fork the project on github, do my changes and then commit it back to your project with a pull request. Then you decide you like it, accept and voila
[20:41] <smile> I know :-P
[20:41] <smile> :-D
[20:41] <smile> But not everyone does
[20:42] <gremble> Oh
[20:42] <gremble> Haha
[20:43] <gremble> I don't have a lot of projects on github, but I am familiar with its usage
[20:43] <gremble> :P
[20:43] <gremble> Most of my stuff I am too self-concious about to push up haha
[20:43] <smile> I see. My projects on github are mostly recent
[20:44] <smile> But some software dates back to 5 years earlier
[20:44] <gremble> Mine is mostly from the past year
[20:46] <smile> :-D
[20:50] <gremble> smile: How good are you with Differential Equations?
[20:50] <smile> I am happy using github :-)
[20:50] <smile> Not sure what that is?
[20:50] <gremble> Oh. Nevermind. I got stuck doing the wrong problem
[20:50] <gremble> It is the math used to model change
[20:52] <smile> I still dont know the term :) 
[20:53] <gremble> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differentiaalvergelijking 
[20:53] <gremble> 22:56 < smile> I still dont know the term :) 
[20:54] <gremble> Bleh
[20:54] <gremble> Sometimes my terminal bugs out
[21:00] <smile> I dont think I can do a good differentiaalvergelijking
[21:00] <gremble> Haha oh well
[21:00] <gremble> It was worth asking
[21:08] <smile> Yeah
[21:37] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[21:37] <gremble> Jy ook
[21:37] <smile> Dankje