[00:25] must have run this f'ing thing 30-40 times and still getting errors [00:25] must be an easier way! [00:29] OMG 52% [00:30] it compiled!! [01:04] Riddell: uploaded Kamoso to my PPA and installs on my local machine. However I needed to install a dependancy to get it to work and I cant remember what it was, gstreamer I think [01:04] had enough for tonight, so going to bed! Night [02:56] ahoneybun: what the heck happened to the last half of your youtube? [02:58] what? [02:58] valorie: ^ [03:00] the link you posted earlier [03:00] once you stop talking, there is music, then some weird ad [03:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSxGaSy-8s [03:01] yea that... [03:01] last half should be chopped off [03:02] I think the guy managing the computer was was not doing something right [03:02] idk tbh [03:05] next time you are being taped, please repeat the questions [03:05] couldn't hear what was being asked, at all [03:05] otherwise, good presentation [03:05] I hate to move away from the wiki though [03:05] " [03:06] Just branch from launchpad" -- not very easy [03:06] for a beginner [03:08] I now I know about the questions though [03:08] you know [03:08] we could have users write docs on the wiki, we move them to sphinx [03:08] but that is work [03:10] everything is work [03:11] if you are doing the work, then you should choose what you like best [03:11] as i did [03:11] I worked with docbook even though I didn't like it [03:11] and that was branching from lp [03:12] rest is probably just as easy as markdown, which I've been using for the frameworks book [03:13] reST is easier then damn docbook [03:13] I will never work with that [03:13] unless I convert it with pandoc [03:15] I do have all this reST work on LP as its own project [03:16] valorie: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-manual [03:16] eh, docbook is just xml [03:16] I used to use wordstar [03:17] very similar, really [03:23] valorie: I don't mind maintaining the wiki and sphinx but the problem is pointing new users/contributors to the right place [03:27] valorie: did you see the special things I got from SELF? [03:34] yes [03:34] it's fun to collect swag for awhile [03:35] until you get too much [03:35] that's the stage I'm at [03:42] valorie: http://imgur.com/fkWu0ao [03:43] yup, at some confs you can really load up on it [03:43] see the 3D printed KDE logo? [03:43] yup [03:44] super cool [04:09] someone was doing that at akademy last year, but I never had time to talk with them/watch 'em [10:09] Hello [11:19] Hiyas all === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [13:24] Riddell: did you take a look at kamoso on my PPA? === prth_ is now known as prth === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [14:55] how very descriptive - libkf5newstuff-dev [14:58] woho Kubunt life saviour :) [15:07] clivejo: nope, how did it go? [15:07] soee_: is there a meta package that pulls in all the KF5 files? [15:07] Riddell: its built on LP :) [15:07] ooh it compiled! [15:07] but I know there is a running dep [15:07] but cant remember what it was [15:07] how do you know that? [15:07] runtime [15:08] clivejo: i dont think so, but i might be wrong [15:08] cause when I installed the deb on my system it crashed [15:09] run it from terminal and it was looking for something (cant remember) and when I installed it, program runs [15:09] Im playing with Scrooge now [15:09] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/skrooge?content=92458 [15:10] my mother is a teacher and she has a lot of work now (notes, descriptions etc. etc.) and windows failed for her, so i switched it to Kubuntu and all works flawlessly (not a single coplain so far) :D [15:10] nice one soee_ [15:11] Riddell: I think it was a gstream dep [15:13] Riddell: BTW is there any way to do a pbuild without a debuild first to create the dsc file? [15:13] and what is grantlee5 ?!? [15:16] I'm not sure what you mean, debuild -S makes the source "package" which is the orig.tar, debian.tar and .dsc [15:16] I have to install all the dev files on my system [15:17] which Id rather not do [15:19] I don't understand [15:20] debuild -S won't need you to install much [15:20] just pkg-kde-tools [15:20] and debhelper [15:21] * Riddell tries kamoso in a debootstrap chroot [15:27] do kf5 apps go into /usr/share/kde5/apps ? [15:28] which doesnt exist on my system :/ [15:36] anyone? [15:39] nope [15:39] data files goes into /usr/share such as /usr/share/kwin [15:40] clivejo: here's what happens if I run kamoso in a bare chroot https://paste.kde.org/plp7rb09p [15:40] it's looking for qml [15:40] what if the previous version put it in /usr/share/kde4/apps [15:41] kdelibs4 apps used that for data files, the equivalent in kf5 is /usr/share [15:42] so that needs changed if you have those paths listed in .install files [15:42] quite a few paths changed going from kdelibs4 to kf5 [15:42] that makes NO sense to me! [15:43] using /usr/share/kde4/apps makes no sense [15:47] what about /usr/share/kde4/config ? [15:48] moved to /etc/xdg/ [15:48] nice and standard [15:48] LOL [15:49] is there documentation on this? [15:50] some https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Porting_Notes [15:52] What will happen if I remove the language pack(not english us) which is currently in use, will kde default to en_us? [15:53] yes should do [15:53] ok [15:53] or whatever is second in your preference list [15:54] BluesKaj: ping [15:58] soee_, pong [16:00] BluesKaj: in vivid, can we autoound windows disks in dolphin without entering password (on exta user account) ? [16:01] *automount [16:01] Riddell: so it needs qml-module-qtquick-controls during runtime? [16:10] soee_, windows partition should automount afaik it shows my 7 install/partition on my laptop [16:10] W7 that is [16:11] in 15.04 [16:11] clivejo: and others, I'm still working it out [16:11] Ive uploaded a new version ppa8 [16:11] that should fix it, I hope [16:12] BluesKaj: well the thing is: is see them in Dolphin but when i try to open some, i need to enter admin user password [16:17] soee_, in dolphin/devices ? [16:17] BluesKaj: yes [16:18] on the same HDD ? [16:18] BluesKaj: i have created new account on my parents PC, where my mother do all her work, but she needs access to windows partitions where she also have a lot of files [16:18] BluesKaj: yes i think it's the same hdd but i have to check, can't remember now [16:18] one sec [16:19] BluesKaj: yes the same [16:20] i will configure for her dropbox or owncloud account to have access to those files anywhere [16:20] but i woule like to fix the disk access problem to [16:20] soee_, i mean the same HDD as 15.04 [16:20] ? === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [16:23] soee_, I access other pcs with Windows installs using the the network folder in dolphin [16:25] BluesKaj: no no, this is the same PC, Kubuntu is installed on separate partition [16:32] soee_, not sure what could be the problem unless you have more than one user on the windows install then asking for admin pwd makes sense [16:32] BluesKaj [16:33] ok but shouldn't Kubuntu just see and access other disks wothout any passwords etc ? [16:35] dunno soee, my situation is differnt so I can't speculate why..I'm the only "user" on the laptop wirh kubuntu and windows [16:41] clivejo: do you now what package provides qtquick2videosink ? [16:45] qt5glvideosink ? [16:46] in gt-gstreamer [16:48] qtquick2videosink is a qml module I guess from qt-gstreamer [16:48] qml modules are very hard to track down [16:49] we don't have magic ways to do it like with C/C++ apps and libraries [16:49] I can see we have a qml-module-qtgstreamer package but that's for qt4, I don't see a qt5 equivalent [16:50] qt-gstreamer is one of those overly complex packages which comiles itself twice, one for qt4 and once for qt5 [16:54] does it run for you Riddell? [16:56] ok gents, done here for the day...band practice this aft.....later [16:57] clivejo: nope, it's missing qtquick2videosink [17:02] http://s15.postimg.org/59zhb2na3/kamoso.jpg [17:02] thats it running on my machine [17:14] and I've had it on another machine but this is a chroot so no excess packages installed [17:14] https://paste.kde.org/pnxdgxm3j is what it says [17:15] but I think the problem isn't in qtquick2videosink I think it's before that [17:15] ah thats what I was getting [17:15] and I installed something and now it works! [17:16] I don't suppose you remember what? :) [17:16] history may tell you [17:16] nope, my head is fried at the moment [17:17] good idea! [17:17] /var/log/apt/history.log ? [17:18] ah [17:18] apt-get install QtGStreamer* [17:18] Install: qtgstreamer-declarative:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-dbg:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-doc:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-plugins:amd64 (1.2.0-2) [17:19] ah hah, qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 helped [17:20] so if I added that to the deps, it would do the trick? [17:20] hang on I'm making a list [17:22] so far I have qml-module-qtquick-controls, qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons, qml-module-qtmultimedia, qml-module-qtquick-dialogs, qml-modules-org-kde-purpose, qml-module-qtgstreamer,phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer, kio, qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 [17:23] but it's still crashing when I do anything and not showing icons [17:23] and giving me errors like "qrc:/qml/Config.qml:59: TypeError: Cannot read property 'brightness' of null" [17:23] eak [17:23] havent seen that error [17:24] had you a previous install of Kamoso? [17:24] not in the chroot [17:29] its a strange wee programme [17:29] do you use it? [17:29] it's a programme with lots of qml which there are still not too many of but there will be more and we need to learn how to deal with it [17:30] yeah I've used it occationally, we didn't include it in vivid and I heard a complaint about not having it [17:31] how do you run it in a minial install environment? [17:38] debootstrap wily wily [17:39] will set up a chroot environment same as pbuilder but you can manually work in it [17:39] then sudo mount -t none -o bind /dev wily/dev [17:39] and same for /proc and /tmp [17:39] then sudo chroot wily [17:39] voila [17:42] Folks an ideas how I can resolve having older icons not appearing on plasma systray? [17:43] meh, I give up, apol_ any thoughts on what our kamoso package is missing that gives these errors? https://paste.kde.org/pu2tmhb01 [17:43] * apol_ looks [17:44] that QJsonObject issue may be the start of it [17:44] Riddell: Cannot read property 'contrast' of null << this looks like you're missing some parts of QtGstreamer [17:46] Riddell: do you have a acamera? [17:47] apol_: yes, this is running a chroot with /dev mounted so it should have the same access to it [17:47] * Riddell installs libqt5glib-2.0-0 libqt5gstreamer-1.0-0 libqt5gstreamer-dev libqt5gstreamerquick-1.0-0 libqt5gstreamerui-1.0-0 libqt5gstreamerutils-1.0-0 qt5gstreamer-dbg qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 [17:49] nope, same issue https://paste.kde.org/puzlijlt1 [17:50] Riddell: the line 7 is bothering me, where is this coming from? [17:50] also line 5 looks like an indicator of things going bad [17:53] I'm unable to reproduce though [17:53] Riddell: do you have a backtrace? [17:54] apol_: https://paste.kde.org/phqsmsvw0 [17:56] it looks like you don't have a running gstreamer pipeline [17:56] just to be sure, does the camera work at alll? [17:56] maybe it is something to do with the chroot it doesn't like [17:57] Riddell: just pushed a change that should prevent the crash you're getting [18:00] and yes, it might be about the chroot [18:00] OTOH we shouldn't be crashing === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [18:02] this magnetic hard disk is amazingly slow! [18:05] apol_: cheese says no device found so I guess the chroot doesn't like the camera [18:05] right [18:06] so clivejo can you add: qml-module-qtquick-controls, qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons, qml-module-qtmultimedia, qml-module-qtquick-dialogs, qml-modules-org-kde-purpose, qml-module-qtgstreamer,phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer, kio, qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 [18:06] and we'll get some people to test it and see how they do [18:09] Riddell: probably because you haven't bind mounted /dev/whatever [18:09] into the chroot [18:09] shadeslayer: I did! [18:09] oh [18:09] oh just /dev [18:09] not /dev/whatever [18:09] permission issues? [18:10] /dev/video0 is the one IIRC [18:10] /dev/video0 is there [18:10] I'm root in the chroot [18:10] mmm [18:11] idk then [18:57] Riddell: Now running lintian... [18:57] E: kamoso changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file wily [18:57] is that just a pre-release error? [18:59] ok, pushed to PPA as version 10 [18:59] yeah it's just lintian being old [19:00] LP is building [19:00] clivejo: e-mail kubuntu-devel for testers? [19:00] am I on that mailing list [19:01] yep, so ask it for people running wily to test it [19:01] how do I tell them to go easy! [19:04] Riddell: is there a KF5 meta package for development? [19:05] clivejo: nope, it might be useful to have those, kf5-tier1-dev etc but nobody has made them yet [19:07] who makes those? [19:08] clivejo: volunteers welcome :) [19:08] probably needs some coordination with debian to see where it best to put them [19:08] kamoso was hard enough! [19:09] looking at skrooge at the moment [19:09] but these file paths are casuing me grief [19:18] ahoneybun: you need to write some docs on how to package :) === Don is now known as Guest50731 === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest50701 === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === Tm_T is now known as Guest97037 === freeflying__ is now known as freeflying === ovidiu is now known as ovidiu-florin === santa is now known as Guest37448 === sebas_ is now known as sebas === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne === Guest37448 is now known as santa_