[00:25] <clivejo> must have run this f'ing thing 30-40 times and still getting errors
[00:25] <clivejo> must be an easier way!
[00:29] <clivejo> OMG 52%
[00:30] <clivejo> it compiled!!
[01:04] <clivejo> Riddell: uploaded Kamoso to my PPA and installs on my local machine.  However I needed to install a dependancy to get it to work and I cant remember what it was, gstreamer I think
[01:04] <clivejo> had enough for tonight, so going to bed!  Night
[02:56] <valorie> ahoneybun: what the heck happened to the last half of your youtube?
[02:58] <ahoneybun> what?
[02:58] <ahoneybun> valorie: ^
[03:00] <valorie> the link you posted earlier
[03:00] <valorie> once you stop talking, there is music, then some weird ad
[03:01] <valorie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSxGaSy-8s
[03:01] <ahoneybun> yea that...
[03:01] <valorie> last half should be chopped off
[03:02] <ahoneybun> I think the guy managing the computer was was not doing something right
[03:02] <ahoneybun> idk tbh
[03:05] <valorie> next time you are being taped, please repeat the questions
[03:05] <valorie> couldn't hear what was being asked, at all
[03:05] <valorie> otherwise, good presentation
[03:05] <valorie> I hate to move away from the wiki though
[03:05] <valorie> "
[03:06] <valorie> Just branch from launchpad" -- not very easy
[03:06] <valorie> for a beginner
[03:08] <ahoneybun> I now I know about the questions though
[03:08] <ahoneybun> you know
[03:08] <ahoneybun> we could have users write docs on the wiki, we move them to sphinx
[03:08] <ahoneybun> but that is work
[03:10] <valorie> everything is work
[03:11] <valorie> if you are doing the work, then you should choose what you like best
[03:11] <valorie> as i did
[03:11] <valorie> I worked with docbook even though I didn't like it
[03:11] <valorie> and that was branching from lp
[03:12] <valorie> rest is probably just as easy as markdown, which I've been using for the frameworks book
[03:13] <ahoneybun> reST is easier then damn docbook
[03:13] <ahoneybun> I will never work with that
[03:13] <ahoneybun> unless I convert it with pandoc
[03:15] <ahoneybun> I do have all this reST work on LP as its own project
[03:16] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-manual
[03:16] <valorie> eh, docbook is just xml
[03:16] <valorie> I used to use wordstar
[03:17] <valorie> very similar, really
[03:23] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't mind maintaining the wiki and sphinx but the problem is pointing new users/contributors to the right place
[03:27] <ahoneybun> valorie: did you see the special things I got from SELF?
[03:34] <valorie> yes
[03:34] <valorie> it's fun to collect swag for awhile
[03:35] <valorie> until you get too much
[03:35] <valorie> that's the stage I'm at
[03:42] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://imgur.com/fkWu0ao
[03:43] <valorie> yup, at some confs you can really load up on it
[03:43] <ahoneybun> see the 3D printed KDE logo?
[03:43] <valorie> yup
[03:44] <ahoneybun> super cool
[04:09] <valorie> someone was doing that at akademy last year, but I never had time to talk with them/watch 'em
[10:09] <lordievader> Hello
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:24] <clivejo> Riddell: did you take a look at kamoso on my PPA?
[14:55] <clivejo> how very descriptive - libkf5newstuff-dev
[14:58] <soee_> woho Kubunt life saviour :)
[15:07] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, how did it go?
[15:07] <clivejo> soee_: is there a meta package that pulls in all the KF5 files?
[15:07] <clivejo> Riddell: its built on LP :)
[15:07] <Riddell> ooh it compiled!
[15:07] <clivejo> but I know there is a running dep
[15:07] <clivejo> but cant remember what it was
[15:07] <Riddell> how do you know that?
[15:07] <clivejo> runtime
[15:08] <soee_> clivejo: i dont think so, but i might be wrong
[15:08] <clivejo> cause when I installed the deb on my system it crashed
[15:09] <clivejo> run it from terminal and it was looking for something (cant remember) and when I installed it, program runs
[15:09] <clivejo> Im playing with Scrooge now
[15:09] <clivejo> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/skrooge?content=92458
[15:10] <soee_> my mother is a teacher and she has a lot of work now (notes, descriptions etc. etc.) and windows failed for her, so i switched it to Kubuntu and all works flawlessly (not a single coplain so far) :D
[15:10] <clivejo> nice one soee_
[15:11] <clivejo> Riddell: I think it was a gstream dep
[15:13] <clivejo> Riddell: BTW is there any way to do a pbuild without a debuild first to create the dsc file?
[15:13] <clivejo> and what is grantlee5 ?!?
[15:16] <Riddell> I'm not sure what you mean, debuild -S  makes the source "package" which is the orig.tar, debian.tar and .dsc
[15:16] <clivejo> I have to install all the dev files on my system
[15:17] <clivejo> which Id rather not do
[15:19] <Riddell> I don't understand
[15:20] <Riddell> debuild -S won't need you to install much
[15:20] <Riddell> just pkg-kde-tools
[15:20] <Riddell> and debhelper
[15:21]  * Riddell tries kamoso in a debootstrap chroot
[15:27] <clivejo> do kf5 apps go into /usr/share/kde5/apps ?
[15:28] <clivejo> which doesnt exist on my system :/
[15:36] <clivejo> anyone?
[15:39] <Riddell> nope
[15:39] <Riddell> data files goes into /usr/share such as /usr/share/kwin
[15:40] <Riddell> clivejo: here's what happens if I run kamoso in a bare chroot https://paste.kde.org/plp7rb09p
[15:40] <Riddell> it's looking for qml
[15:40] <clivejo> what if the previous version put it in /usr/share/kde4/apps
[15:41] <Riddell> kdelibs4 apps used that for data files, the equivalent in kf5 is /usr/share
[15:42] <Riddell> so that needs changed if you have those paths listed in .install files
[15:42] <Riddell> quite a few paths changed going from kdelibs4 to kf5
[15:42] <clivejo> that makes NO sense to me!
[15:43] <Riddell> using /usr/share/kde4/apps makes no sense
[15:47] <clivejo> what about /usr/share/kde4/config ?
[15:48] <Riddell> moved to /etc/xdg/
[15:48] <Riddell> nice and standard
[15:48] <clivejo> LOL
[15:49] <clivejo> is there documentation on this?
[15:50] <Riddell> some https://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Porting_Notes
[15:52] <murthy> What will happen if I remove the language pack(not english us)  which is currently in use, will kde default to en_us?
[15:53] <Riddell> yes should do
[15:53] <murthy> ok
[15:53] <Riddell> or whatever is second in your preference list
[15:54] <soee_> BluesKaj: ping
[15:58] <BluesKaj> soee_, pong
[16:00] <soee_> BluesKaj: in vivid, can we autoound windows disks in dolphin without entering password (on exta user account) ?
[16:01] <soee_> *automount
[16:01] <clivejo> Riddell: so it needs qml-module-qtquick-controls during runtime?
[16:10] <BluesKaj> soee_, windows partition should automount afaik  it shows my 7 install/partition on my laptop
[16:10] <BluesKaj> W7 that is
[16:11] <BluesKaj> in 15.04 
[16:11] <Riddell> clivejo: and others, I'm still working it out
[16:11] <clivejo> Ive uploaded a new version ppa8
[16:11] <clivejo> that should fix it, I hope
[16:12] <soee_> BluesKaj: well the thing is: is see them in Dolphin but when i try to open some, i need to enter admin user password
[16:17] <BluesKaj> soee_, in dolphin/devices ?
[16:17] <soee_> BluesKaj: yes
[16:18] <BluesKaj> on the same HDD ?
[16:18] <soee_> BluesKaj: i have created new account on my parents PC, where my mother do all her work, but she needs access to windows partitions where she also have a lot of files
[16:18] <soee_> BluesKaj: yes i think it's the same hdd but i have to check, can't remember now
[16:18] <soee_> one sec
[16:19] <soee_> BluesKaj: yes the same
[16:20] <soee_> i will configure for her dropbox or owncloud account to have access to those files anywhere
[16:20] <soee_> but i woule like to fix the disk access problem to
[16:20] <BluesKaj> soee_, i mean the same HDD as 15.04
[16:20] <soee_> ?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> soee_, I access other pcs with Windows installs using the the network folder in dolphin
[16:25] <soee_> BluesKaj: no no, this is the same PC, Kubuntu is installed on separate partition
[16:32] <BluesKaj> soee_, not sure what could be the problem unless you have more than one user on the windows install then asking for admin pwd makes sense
[16:32] <soee_> BluesKaj
[16:33] <soee_> ok but shouldn't Kubuntu just see and access other disks wothout any passwords etc ?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> dunno soee, my situation is differnt so I can't speculate why..I'm the only "user" on the laptop wirh kubuntu and windows 
[16:41] <Riddell> clivejo: do you now what package provides qtquick2videosink ?
[16:45] <clivejo> qt5glvideosink ?
[16:46] <clivejo> in gt-gstreamer
[16:48] <Riddell> qtquick2videosink is a qml module I guess from qt-gstreamer
[16:48] <Riddell> qml modules are very hard to track down
[16:49] <Riddell> we don't have magic ways to do it like with C/C++ apps and libraries
[16:49] <Riddell> I can see we have a qml-module-qtgstreamer package but that's for qt4, I don't see a qt5 equivalent
[16:50] <Riddell> qt-gstreamer is one of those overly complex packages which comiles itself twice, one for qt4 and once for qt5
[16:54] <clivejo> does it run for you Riddell?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ok gents, done here for the day...band practice this aft.....later
[16:57] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, it's missing qtquick2videosink
[17:02] <clivejo> http://s15.postimg.org/59zhb2na3/kamoso.jpg
[17:02] <clivejo> thats it running on my machine
[17:14] <Riddell> and I've had it on another machine but this is a chroot so no excess packages installed
[17:14] <Riddell> https://paste.kde.org/pnxdgxm3j is what it says
[17:15] <Riddell> but I think the problem isn't in qtquick2videosink I think it's before that
[17:15] <clivejo> ah thats what I was getting
[17:15] <clivejo> and I installed something and now it works!
[17:16] <Riddell> I don't suppose you remember what? :)
[17:16] <Riddell> history  may tell you
[17:16] <clivejo> nope, my head is fried at the moment
[17:17] <clivejo> good idea!
[17:17] <clivejo> /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[17:18] <clivejo> ah
[17:18] <clivejo> apt-get install QtGStreamer*
[17:18] <clivejo> Install: qtgstreamer-declarative:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-dbg:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-doc:amd64 (1.2.0-2), qtgstreamer-plugins:amd64 (1.2.0-2)
[17:19] <Riddell> ah hah, qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 helped
[17:20] <clivejo> so if I added that to the deps, it would do the trick?
[17:20] <Riddell> hang on I'm making a list
[17:22] <Riddell> so far I have qml-module-qtquick-controls, qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons, qml-module-qtmultimedia, qml-module-qtquick-dialogs, qml-modules-org-kde-purpose, qml-module-qtgstreamer,phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer, kio, qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 
[17:23] <Riddell> but it's still crashing when I do anything and not showing icons
[17:23] <Riddell> and giving me errors like "qrc:/qml/Config.qml:59: TypeError: Cannot read property 'brightness' of null"
[17:23] <clivejo> eak
[17:23] <clivejo> havent seen that error
[17:24] <clivejo> had you a previous install of Kamoso?
[17:24] <Riddell> not in the chroot
[17:29] <clivejo> its a strange wee programme
[17:29] <clivejo> do you use it?
[17:29] <Riddell> it's a programme with lots of qml which there are still not too many of but there will be more and we need to learn how to deal with it
[17:30] <Riddell> yeah I've used it occationally, we didn't include it in vivid and I heard a complaint about not having it
[17:31] <clivejo> how do you run it in a minial install environment?
[17:38] <Riddell> debootstrap wily wily
[17:39] <Riddell> will set up a chroot environment same as pbuilder but you can manually work in it
[17:39] <Riddell> then sudo mount -t none -o bind /dev wily/dev
[17:39] <Riddell> and same for /proc and /tmp
[17:39] <Riddell> then sudo chroot wily
[17:39] <Riddell> voila
[17:42] <colbyf> Folks an ideas how I can resolve having older icons not appearing on plasma systray?
[17:43] <Riddell> meh, I give up, apol_ any thoughts on what our kamoso package is missing that gives these errors? https://paste.kde.org/pu2tmhb01
[17:43]  * apol_ looks
[17:44] <Riddell> that QJsonObject issue may be the start of it
[17:44] <apol_> Riddell:  Cannot read property 'contrast' of null << this looks like you're missing some parts of QtGstreamer
[17:46] <apol_> Riddell: do you have a acamera?
[17:47] <Riddell> apol_: yes, this is running a chroot with /dev mounted so it should have the same access to it
[17:47]  * Riddell installs libqt5glib-2.0-0 libqt5gstreamer-1.0-0 libqt5gstreamer-dev libqt5gstreamerquick-1.0-0 libqt5gstreamerui-1.0-0 libqt5gstreamerutils-1.0-0 qt5gstreamer-dbg qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5
[17:49] <Riddell> nope, same issue https://paste.kde.org/puzlijlt1
[17:50] <apol_> Riddell: the line 7 is bothering me, where is this coming from?
[17:50] <apol_> also line 5 looks like an indicator of things going bad
[17:53] <apol_> I'm unable to reproduce though
[17:53] <apol_> Riddell: do you have a backtrace?
[17:54] <Riddell> apol_: https://paste.kde.org/phqsmsvw0
[17:56] <apol_> it looks like you don't have a running gstreamer pipeline
[17:56] <apol_> just to be sure, does the camera work at alll?
[17:56] <Riddell> maybe it is something to do with the chroot it doesn't like
[17:57] <apol_> Riddell: just pushed a change that should prevent the crash you're getting
[18:00] <apol_> and yes, it might be about the chroot
[18:00] <apol_> OTOH we shouldn't be crashing
[18:02] <Riddell> this magnetic hard disk is amazingly slow!
[18:05] <Riddell> apol_: cheese says no device found so I guess the chroot doesn't like the camera
[18:05] <apol_> right
[18:06] <Riddell> so clivejo can you add:  qml-module-qtquick-controls, qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons, qml-module-qtmultimedia, qml-module-qtquick-dialogs, qml-modules-org-kde-purpose, qml-module-qtgstreamer,phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer, kio, qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5
[18:06] <Riddell> and we'll get some people to test it and see how they do
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably because you haven't bind mounted /dev/whatever
[18:09] <shadeslayer> into the chroot
[18:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I did!
[18:09] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:09] <Riddell> oh just /dev
[18:09] <Riddell> not /dev/whatever
[18:09] <shadeslayer> permission issues?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> /dev/video0 is the one IIRC
[18:10] <Riddell> /dev/video0 is there
[18:10] <Riddell> I'm root in the chroot
[18:10] <shadeslayer> mmm
[18:11] <shadeslayer> idk then
[18:57] <clivejo> Riddell: Now running lintian...
[18:57] <clivejo> E: kamoso changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file wily
[18:57] <clivejo> is that just a pre-release error?
[18:59] <clivejo> ok, pushed to PPA as version 10
[18:59] <Riddell> yeah it's just lintian being old
[19:00] <clivejo> LP is building
[19:00] <Riddell> clivejo: e-mail kubuntu-devel for testers?
[19:00] <clivejo> am I on that mailing list
[19:01] <Riddell> yep, so ask it for people running wily to test it
[19:01] <clivejo> how do I tell them to go easy!
[19:04] <clivejo> Riddell: is there a KF5 meta package for development?
[19:05] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, it might be useful to have those, kf5-tier1-dev etc but nobody has made them yet
[19:07] <clivejo> who makes those?
[19:08] <Riddell> clivejo: volunteers welcome :)
[19:08] <Riddell> probably needs some coordination with debian to see where it best to put them
[19:08] <clivejo> kamoso was hard enough!
[19:09] <clivejo> looking at skrooge at the moment
[19:09] <clivejo> but these file paths are casuing me grief
[19:18] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you need to write some docs on how to package :)