[01:01] <daftykins> diddledan_: have you seen 10 insider preview will stay activated after being updated to RTM? http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/19/upcoming-changes-to-windows-10-insider-preview-builds/
[01:02] <diddledan_> daftykins: provided you have a microsoft account added
[01:02] <daftykins> yep
[01:02] <daftykins> which seemed to be a prereq for insider anyway
[01:02] <diddledan_> yeah
[01:02] <diddledan_> but I guess some folk acquired it by other means
[01:04] <diddledan_> http://www.avclub.com/article/david-tennant-joining-felicia-day-steven-yeun-comi-221132
[01:04] <diddledan_> cibopathy sounds.. disgusting
[01:23] <m0nkey_> wait, what?
[01:23] <m0nkey_> so if i'm running Windows 10 pro preview, I get to keep it?
[01:23] <daftykins> ja
[01:26] <m0nkey_> it's like mircosoft is giving away their software!
[01:26] <diddledan_> nevar!
[01:26] <diddledan_> they aren't gonna do that!?
[01:28] <m0nkey_> MS really want people to use Windows 10
[01:29] <daftykins> yep
[01:29] <daftykins> and it's actually good too
[01:29] <m0nkey_> so it's good for daily use?
[01:30] <m0nkey_> hmm, now what if I upgrade my 8.1 box?
[01:30] <m0nkey_> which is running the home edition
[01:30] <daftykins> depends what you run
[01:33] <m0nkey_> games mostly, probably netflix
[01:36] <diddledan_> the netflix app isn't bad
[02:12] <diddledan> oops
[02:12] <diddledan> bluescreen
[02:12] <daftykins> what are you up to causing that :P
[02:13] <diddledan> no idea
[02:13] <diddledan> "CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED"
[02:13] <daftykins> lol
[02:13] <daftykins> hrmm
[02:13] <daftykins> er hey diddledan
[02:13] <diddledan> o/
[02:13]  * daftykins walks up and whispers
[02:13] <daftykins> your HDD ok? ;)
[02:13] <diddledan> lol
[02:13] <diddledan> I would hope so
[02:13] <diddledan> it's a surface pro 3 so ssd
[02:14] <daftykins> oh i was gonna talk to you about that
[02:14] <daftykins> that client seemed to want one, but i said since it's not upgradable there wasn't much point, plus no mobile data
[02:14] <daftykins> so went the Lenovo X1 Carbon route instead
[02:14] <diddledan> mobile data is a pain
[02:15] <diddledan> or lack of it is
[02:15] <daftykins> odd that the original or the 2 had it
[02:15] <diddledan> I think the "surface 2" had it? (note the lack of "pro")
[02:15] <diddledan> I'm unsure whether the 3(not pro) has it or not
[02:16] <daftykins> mmm that one's too rubbish anyway
[02:16] <daftykins> i was looking at a minimum of i5, 256GB 8GB for a 3 Pro which bumped the price a fair chunk
[02:17] <diddledan> aye. I went cheap and regret the lack of the extra 4gigs
[02:17] <daftykins> :<
[02:17] <daftykins> i should play with the Lenovo more before i have to give it back
[02:17] <diddledan> I'm regularly using 95% of system ram
[02:18] <diddledan> I wonder if that's why I keep getting BSODS
[02:18] <daftykins> haha
[02:20] <daftykins> aaah, blows my mind every time i pick this thing up
[02:20] <ali1234> x220/x230 is best lenovo
[02:21] <daftykins> based on?
[02:21] <ali1234> based on me using on ethe other day, they're great
[02:21] <ali1234> everything works perfectly, and they're built just like a classic thinkpad, but without being huge and heavy
[02:21] <daftykins> it's funny, i'd always pegged you as being far too calculated for such sensational remarks :)
[02:22] <daftykins> works as in with Linux?
[02:22] <ali1234> also you can get one for like £200
[02:22] <ali1234> yep
[02:22] <ali1234> they're not ultrabooks for sure, but they're not far off
[02:23] <ali1234> fingerprint scanner/3g not tested :)
[02:23] <daftykins> this one worked great with 14.04.2
[02:24] <ali1234> same
[02:24] <daftykins> though the physical mouse buttons above the touchpad didn't, though that wasn't really a showstopper
[02:29] <diddledan_> ergh
[02:29] <diddledan_> another one
[02:30] <daftykins> :<
[02:33] <diddledan_> what have I missed? some church shooting...?
[02:36] <daftykins> if you have i've missed it too
[02:41] <diddledan_> http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/charleston-suspect-appears-in-court-hearing/ar-AAbQO3v?ocid=spartanntp
[02:42] <daftykins> Charleston just makes me think of the dance :/
[02:45] <diddledan_> lol
[02:48] <daftykins> hmm weird crime that one
[02:48] <daftykins> odd to think you get people with these thoughts
[02:49] <diddledan_> I don't get the whole "you rape our women" bit
[02:49] <diddledan_> he said that to a woman
[02:50] <diddledan_> and to be fair the white man has raped black women historically more than vice versa
[02:51] <diddledan_> britain be like "hi africa! mind if we rock-up and sex all your ladies? yes? tough, we got boomboom sticks with gunpoweder"
[03:01] <diddledan_> am I still here?
[03:01] <diddledan_> my internets are broke
[03:01] <diddledan_> daftykins: can you fire-up a windows and tell me what the default system PATH is?
[03:01] <diddledan_> mine got nuked somehow
[03:04] <daftykins> ouch! i'm only on 7 atm but that should do
[03:04] <daftykins> system or user?
[03:05] <daftykins> oh you said system
[03:05]  * daftykins facepalms
[03:06] <daftykins> C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\AGL;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Acronis\SnapAPI\
[03:06] <daftykins> i suspect those last two are junk
[03:07] <diddledan_> ta
[03:07] <daftykins> np :>
[03:08] <diddledan_> internet breakage was my freenas box decided to die - it was hunged, so as it is my dns server I couldn't resolve any addresses
[03:09] <diddledan_> and to diagnose I tried `ping` in the cmd.exe window which failed saying ping didn't exist - hence the discovery that my PATH was buffered
[03:10] <diddledan_> ping now works
[03:11] <diddledan_> reference for boomboom sticks: https://youtu.be/PWSYiGpLrHY
[03:13] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouv1Un1F36A
[03:13] <daftykins> haha oh dear
[03:13] <daftykins> wonky path is wonky
[03:16] <diddledan> that video hunged my surface
[03:17] <daftykins> XD
[03:17]  * diddledan_ tries again
[03:17] <daftykins> you want the highest res device you have ideally
[03:18] <diddledan> yep that killed it again
[03:18]  * diddledan tries it on this mac instead
[03:19] <diddledan> can you repaste the link?
[03:20] <diddledan> (different system means no clickie)
[03:20] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouv1Un1F36A
[03:21] <diddledan__> what's that at 17 seconds?
[03:21] <diddledan__> the whispy smoke-like thing
[03:21] <daftykins> genuinely don't know
[03:22] <diddledan__> is the atmosphere escaping perhaps?
[03:22] <daftykins> :D
[03:23] <daftykins> perhaps it's some propulsion remnants from that spacex capsule coming up
[03:23] <diddledan__> odd that my mac can't play it smoothly at full res
[03:24] <diddledan__> although I'm playing it in chrome
[03:24]  * diddledan__ tries it in safari
[03:25] <daftykins> retina model?
[03:25] <diddledan__> yup
[03:25] <daftykins> hrmm
[03:26] <diddledan__> seems better in safari
[03:29] <diddledan__> that's impressive footage
[03:31] <daftykins> sun's up
[03:35] <diddledan__> must be time for bed then :-p
[03:36] <daftykins> ^_^
[03:36] <daftykins> i kinda want to go admire my decking
[03:43] <daftykins> decking admired.
[06:08] <mappps> hmm
[06:08] <mappps> anyone know what my last gib ip was
[06:08] <mappps> cant find in logs
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:42] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon, I refuse to recognize that until your normal 10 o'clock announcement time ;)
[08:43] <brobostigon> lolz 2.4.1 :)
[09:00] <SuperEngineer> morning brobostigon :D
[09:00] <SuperEngineer> 3.4.1
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning SuperEngineer :)
[09:15]  * SuperEngineer goes shopping [yuk]
[12:46] <foobarry> morph was on cbbc this morning
[12:46] <foobarry> the kids will love it
[12:46] <foobarry> watched a few on youtube already
[14:47] <mnrbig> irc://irc.freenode.net/2600hz
[14:47] <popey> O_O
[16:21] <knightwise> yeeyz :)
[16:21] <knightwise> I have gotten my Dell XPS13 :)
[16:21] <diddledan__> \o/
[16:21]  * diddledan__ drools all overit
[16:21] <diddledan__> oops, short-circuit
[16:21]  * knightwise towels up diddledan__'s drool ...
[16:21] <knightwise> it is pretty rad . very glad I went with the standard HD matte screen version
[16:22]  * knightwise inhales the smell of "new computer" :) 
[16:22] <diddledan__> did you get the ubuntified one or the windows one?
[16:22] <diddledan__> I love the smell of new magazines
[16:23] <diddledan__> I'm sure I look crazy when I get a new mag and bury my head inhaling deeply
[16:23] <knightwise> lol :)
[16:24] <knightwise> My wife used to work in a printshop
[16:24] <knightwise> she would come home smelling like magazine every single day :)
[16:24] <diddledan__> nice
[16:25] <knightwise> hmm.. not the healthiest smell you know. Ink and chemicals
[16:25] <diddledan__> did she mind you sniffing her as she comes in the door?
[16:25] <diddledan__> :-p
[16:25] <diddledan__> yeah, but luverly smeel nonetheless
[16:25] <knightwise> Lol :) I always sniff her when she comes to the door :p
[16:25] <diddledan__> I like the smell of petrol, too
[16:26] <diddledan__> some people hate that smell, and I'm like "how?"
[16:26] <daftykins> that's like unleaded petrol - and new electronics smells
[16:26] <daftykins> mmm :>
[16:26] <knightwise> hmm.. new electronics smell :) Smelling that right now.
[16:26] <diddledan__> mmm
[16:26] <knightwise> must say , the unboxing reminded me of unboxing my macs
[16:27] <diddledan__> what about the smell of electronics that you've accidentally overpowered to the point of a puff of elf-smoke
[16:27] <Myrtti> check both speakers work lol
[16:27] <knightwise> Check !$
[16:27] <knightwise> Now doing an apt-get update  - upgrade
[16:28] <daftykins> Myrtti: amazing how it managed to jump out all of its' own accord :O
[16:28] <diddledan__> (elf smoke is when the elves in the circuits get too many electrons they send out smoke-signals to let you know they're having trouble)
[16:28] <Myrtti> all computers work on smoke
[16:28] <Myrtti> if the magic smoke escapes, then they don't work anymore
[16:28] <knightwise> and ill do a sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-vivid after that
[16:28] <knightwise> and THEN i"ll make a system recovery disk.
[16:29] <diddledan__> Myrtti: I like that
[16:29] <knightwise> This little machine is gonna be my open source workhorse. no fancy hacks
[16:29] <knightwise> For those the lord createth the VM !
[16:29] <daftykins> :)
[16:30] <knightwise> touchpad is acting a little funny out of the box. i think the kernell upgrade will fix that
[16:49] <foobarry> quite a lot of rain we just had
[16:50] <knightwise> foobarry: they tell me its heading our way on monday
[16:50] <foobarry> my day off: https://goo.gl/photos/iZ3roSNN8FXrLA319 https://goo.gl/photos/kpx9g1AiQrEqtzdF7
[16:50] <foobarry> and much garden and b&q activity
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> -formattedfeeling good = formating the disk on external drive to allow a fresh /home backup
[17:17] <daftykins> =]
[17:17] <SuperEngineer> formattredfeeling good bad = forgetting hoe much time that completely new backup would take
[17:18] <daftykins> USB 2 huh?
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> nah... 3 actually, but y'know.... borrriiiinnnnnggggg
[17:19] <daftykins> ah, write speed?
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> but, daftykins, now feeling smug :)
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> write speed btw = "pp" [pi** poor]
[17:20] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:21] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:21] <daftykins> a nice modern laptop was writing to my 1.5TB seagate USB 3.0 external at no slower than 75-80MB/sec the other day :O
[17:21] <daftykins> that was very neat
[17:22] <SuperEngineer> tempted to write a rude comment re boasting... but I'll just congratulate you instead ;]
[17:22] <SuperEngineer> ... #jealous
[17:23] <daftykins> well the interesting thing is that was a broadwell laptop
[17:24] <daftykins> but my ancient sandybridge laptop which uses a third party controller is way slower
[17:24] <SuperEngineer> [I'll take your word for "interesting"]
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> seems we both need a flock of magnetic carrier pidgeons!
[17:25] <daftykins> :D
[17:26] <daftykins> tbh i'd normally just plug into wired LAN for the laptops and have the file server to throw things onto at gigabit \o/
[17:26] <SuperEngineer> #jealous [again]
[17:27] <daftykins> ok i'll stop ;)
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> ...on the other hand - I bet you're paying for your link to the outside world [#smug]
[17:28] <daftykins> :D you've got me there
[17:29] <daftykins> although what speed does free get you? ;)
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> don't care... it's free ["borrowed"] ;)
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> social engineering is a wonferful thing when you help the landladty resolve her own wi-fi probs :D
[17:31] <daftykins> i find it enough of a struggle to share a connection with myself
[17:31] <SuperEngineer> lolz
[17:32] <daftykins> roll on xbox one supporting 360 games! then i'll never have to hear its' nasty power supply whine again :D
[17:33]  * SuperEngineer sends daftykins virtual earmufflers to help in the meantime
[17:33] <daftykins> hehe, ah i just turn it off at the individually switched power strip \o/
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> [& suggests some air duster!]
[21:38] <popey_> hmm
[22:20] <popey> 23:07 < Aciid> you forgot to paste the cleartext password
[22:20] <popey> oops
[22:21] <penguin42> that would be a more fun oops if you had pasted the cleartext password
[22:21] <popey> true
[22:23] <bashrc> password123 :)
[22:25] <popey> hunter2
[22:31] <zmoylan-pi> 1234,  must watch spaceballs again...
[22:31] <popey> ooh, good call
[22:32] <popey> was looking for something to watch
[22:32] <zmoylan-pi> may the swartz be with you...
[22:32] <popey> bah, desktop just crapped the bed
[22:32] <popey> :( nouveau
[22:33] <daftykins> :(
[22:35] <popey> also, got a disk on the way out
[22:35] <popey> relatively new 4TB
[22:35] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11747951/
[22:35] <popey> could be cable of course
[22:36] <penguin42> says Media error, much more likely to be the drive
[22:36]  * daftykins 's ears prick up
[22:36] <daftykins> how's the smartctl -a /dev/sdX look?
[22:37] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11747962/
[22:37] <popey> started a long test some hours ago
[22:37] <popey> should be finished by now
[22:38] <daftykins> ooh yeah 14 sectors found wonky
[22:38] <popey> this isn't that old
[22:38] <daftykins> disks aren't what they used to be :(
[22:38] <penguin42> yeh and the error shown as Error: UNC 8 sectors at LBA = 0x0b507e50 = 189824592
[22:38] <popey> january
[22:38]  * popey looks into warranty
[22:39] <daftykins> https://westerndigital.secure.force.com/ind/?lang=en
[22:39] <daftykins> there y'are :)
[22:39] <popey> wat
[22:39] <popey> no warranty
[22:39] <penguin42> how can you have no warranty?
[22:40] <popey> it says it was sold to a system integrator
[22:40] <daftykins> D:
[22:40] <popey> I bought from amazon
[22:40] <daftykins> uh oh that happens a lot lately from marketplace sellers
[22:40] <daftykins> flogging on non-legit drives
[22:40] <popey> no, amazon
[22:40] <daftykins> oh?
[22:40] <daftykins> how rude
[22:40] <penguin42> they should sort that for you unless it was sold as 2nd hand
[22:41] <popey> WD
[22:41] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00EHBERSE
[22:41] <popey> luckily I bought 2 :)
[22:41] <popey> so I have a spare I can put into service, but this is annoying because it's the D: of my windows partition
[22:42] <popey> so has lots of stuff (including my entire steam collection) on it
[22:42] <penguin42> Wheresmy-Data
[22:42] <popey> "Warranty : 3 years"
[22:42] <daftykins> eh but that's all easily redownloadable
[22:42] <popey> sure, but the software installs are going to make windows go silly
[22:42] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, so as OEM that's Amazon's problem, return it to Amazon
[22:42] <popey> right, will open a thing with them
[22:44] <popey> wonder if I could dd the entire thing and how much fun that would be
[22:44] <daftykins> maybe ddrescue
[22:44] <penguin42> well if you've got 4TB to put it on then, you should be able to with dd-rescue
[22:44] <daftykins> it's gonna have a fit when it finds one of those currently unremapped 14 sectors
[22:44]  * penguin42 bets it becomes more
[22:45] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:45] <popey> I have another identical disk
[22:45] <daftykins> if it were under 5 it could've maybe stayed the same, but 14...
[22:45] <popey> I bought two the same day
[22:45] <penguin42> same batch?
[22:46] <popey> probably, identical drive
[22:47] <penguin42> see whether it fails at the same time as well then
[22:47] <popey> its never been turned on
[22:47] <daftykins> i got those nice ~£4 vouchers to add an extra year warranty to my WD Reds, which is neat
[22:49] <popey> wonder what amazon will do though, might want to try and dd the thing before i try rma
[22:49] <popey> in fact if I hook it up I could leave it DDing overnight
[22:49] <popey> (hope I get the if= and of= round the right way)
[22:49]  * popey will use ddrescue I think
[22:49] <popey> better stats etc
[22:49] <daftykins> :D
[22:49] <daftykins> yeah that's gonna take a looooong while
[22:50] <daftykins> that 8 x 4TB RAID6 i have for someone on a 3ware card has been taking about 15-16 hrs to verify each week D:
[22:50] <penguin42> popey: Be a little careful; you'll end up with a partical copy with some junk in the bad places; you wont easily find that junk
[22:50] <popey> hmm
[22:50] <popey> i think i know where some of it is!
[22:50] <popey> inside GTA5 :)
[22:50] <daftykins> ooh, been crashing on you?
[22:50] <popey> I have had to re-download that a couple of times, which was probably the early sign
[22:50] <daftykins> ah ha
[22:51] <popey> yeah, corrupted textures
[22:51] <popey> then "please re-download"
[22:51] <daftykins> that's tedious
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> can't you just get it off a magazine cover floppy? :-)
[22:53] <daftykins> hehe
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> that's where i got doom and lemmings... :-P
[22:53] <daftykins> if people still bought those i wonder if they'd have to transition to flash drives :>
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> bluray discs and poor sods with dvd disc version...
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> you could get all of wikipedia on a cover disc for offline emergencies...
[22:56] <popey> on of these days I'll make a live usb stick, label it, and leave it somewhere sane
[22:56] <popey> and not overwrite it
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> to quote big bang theory.  what happens if there's a disaster and there are no usb ports anymore?
[22:56] <penguin42> popey: or give them out to people?
[22:57] <popey> ooh the one I found has a full install on it
[22:57] <popey> not a live cd
[22:57] <popey> yay
[22:57] <popey> sweet, boot directly to desktop \o/
[22:57] <popey> this one is a keeper!
[23:03] <ali1234> that's the problem with USB sticks
[23:03] <ali1234> you can't organise them
[23:03] <ali1234> because they are funny shapes
[23:03] <popey> these ones have loops
[23:04] <ali1234> not like floppy disks that you can label and put in a box and they stay in order
[23:04] <popey> so you can hang them round your neck or whatever
[23:04] <popey> true
[23:04] <popey> I should just stick bluetak to the wall and organise them that way
[23:04] <daftykins> :D
[23:04] <ali1234> or magnets
[23:04] <daftykins> mine live in the same zipped section in my laptop backpack
[23:04] <daftykins> i took them out for a holiday once, but never again
[23:05] <ali1234> http://www.lakeland.co.uk/12481/Stellar-Magnetic-Knife-Rack?gclid=CjwKEAjwnpSsBRDH3pT2-7q55R4SJABRiNyT0XG4dY-OOaGS0jNKGiJ4plJC-zRXLPQW1MTsr89yJhoCaSbw_wcB&src=gfeed&s_kwcid=AL!49!3!66287827829!!!g!42886884744!&ef_id=U@AT9gAABfE2NTPp:20150620230453:s
[23:05] <daftykins> there's always someone that i end up fixing something for
[23:05] <ali1234> sorry about horrible URL, but get one of those
[23:05] <ali1234> shouldn't affect flash memory :)
[23:05] <penguin42> nice idea
[23:05] <popey> yeah
[23:06] <ali1234> *i accept no responsibility if it actually does wipe your flash drives
[23:06] <popey> ddrescue running
[23:07] <popey> 5MB/s
[23:07] <daftykins> :S
[23:11] <penguin42> http://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html    well, the good thing is that there's now an official unicode character for a Unicorn face
[23:12] <daftykins> :)
[23:14] <popey> Phew!
[23:14] <popey> I can sleep well now
[23:14] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:14] <popey> thats a comprehensive page
[23:15] <ali1234> trollface should be put in unicode
[23:15] <daftykins> the guy that came up with that earns a fair chunk of money 0o
[23:16] <daftykins> his mum even drew it on the side of their house XD
[23:19] <popey> right, bedlington
[23:20] <penguin42> go to bed, wake up and sweep the bits out from under the drive
[23:21] <popey> heh
[23:23] <daftykins> :)
[23:32] <m0nkey_> grr. why is there no way to export playlists from google music?
[23:35] <m0nkey_> I can see myself going through the entire list and making note of each one manually :/
[23:47] <ali1234> m0nkey_: i just googled it
[23:48] <ali1234> it turns out that the android app stores playlists in a SQLite database