[17:31] <wxl> alternates are out people, go test
[17:33] <wxl> and now we have desktop builds
[18:46] <phillw> wxl: are we now frozen?
[18:49] <wxl> trying to figure that out phillw
[18:49] <wxl> but seems like it
[18:51] <phillw> okies. updated the postings saying it is tomorrow!
[18:52] <phillw> Bug 1467517
[18:52] <phillw> ahh, it has arrived!!!
[18:52] <wxl> well testing continues until thursday like normal i imagine
[18:53] <phillw> wxl: Joern has already been informed, it is just a paperwork excersise.. we had same last release.
[18:53] <wxl> phillw: yeah and afaik lsc is on its way out
[18:54] <phillw> it will remain until cute.
[18:54] <phillw> which happens to be written by the same guy who now bug fixes LSC :D - You have me and rafaellaguna to blame for that :D
[18:54] <rafaellaguna> O.O
[18:55] <phillw> Stephen Smalley left LSC as abandonware, Joern has bug fixed it for us, but is working more on what will be cute updater etc.
[18:56] <rafaellaguna> I don't know why but it works fine in Trusty (ElementaryOS)
[18:56] <phillw> it also works fine in vivid
[18:56] <rafaellaguna> I'm going to test it in a virtual Utopic I use for testing themes
[18:56] <phillw> there must have been a change in DBus / polkit
[18:56] <rafaellaguna> wait, it works for you? then why the bug?
[18:57] <phillw> rafaellaguna: werewolf? 15.10 ?... Do read the bug report :D
[18:57] <rafaellaguna> oh sorry, only in werewolf
[18:57] <ianorlyn> I wish ubuntu-bug said alternate or desktop installer could be the won't fix bug with alternate
[18:58] <ianorlyn> which joern said there was no real good way to fix but there are workarounds
[18:59] <phillw> rafaellaguna: it is a regression type bug, that has been previously fixed - but some smart person has altered some thing some where that causes LSC to not be able to see things.
[18:59] <rafaellaguna> let me guess... nobody from Lubuntu team
[19:00] <phillw> ianorlyn: once you have an install, it matters not one jot where it came from?
[19:00] <ianorlyn> phillw: no this was something with the way altenrates and updating the database for lubuntu software center not working which is why it was so hard to reproduce
[19:01] <phillw> I could install mini-iso (net boot) and add lubuntu-desktop meta package. I expect lubuntu desktop :)
[19:01] <ianorlyn> the way I remember to fix it sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center although there is an update command I can't remember on my head
[19:03] <ianorlyn> anyway live session and manual partitoining install for amd 64 are basically done now
[19:03] <phillw> Well, until desktop installer can run on machines that lubuntu can - we have alternate. There has been talk of getting ubiquity a hair cut to lighten it - but that project seems to have gone very quiet.
[19:04] <phillw> wxl: I'm still a bit confused at the desktop test cases Vs the alternate ones..
[19:04] <wxl> phillw: whatcha mean?
[19:05] <phillw> difference between guided and auto-resize for a start
[19:07] <phillw> encrytped home is no longer even a test case for Desktop, yet a suggested for alternate? Why?
[19:08] <ianorlin> phillw: I think that is just a difference in the way it is phrased
[19:10] <phillw> okay. So for Alternate, do we even need 'encrytped' ?
[19:12] <phillw> and as for 'unencrypted home'??? What?.... That is the blooming default!
[19:15] <phillw> Alternate Install.....
[19:15] <phillw> 1) Does it install on an entire disk
[19:15] <phillw> 2) Does It install next to an existing OS
[19:15] <wxl> phillw: encryption and unencrypted home are both optional
[19:16] <wxl> generally 1, but the guided can do 2 if you want
[19:16] <phillw> wxl: how the heck do have unencrypted home?
[19:17] <wxl> phillw: i don't remember the whole discussion but there was some sort of reason for it ;)
[19:17] <phillw> both 1) and 2) are, by default, unencrypted home!
[19:17] <wxl> you can ask nio, as i think he was the one pushing for it :)
[19:17] <phillw> well, go find the reason!
[19:17] <wxl> i'll let you know when i have a second
[19:17] <phillw> ta.
[19:17] <wxl> meanwhile, since it's optional, ignore it
[19:18] <phillw> No, I do the encrypeted as part of the side by side install. Kills two birds with one stone :)
[19:19] <phillw> Just, come on.... unencrypted home?!!!
[19:28] <ianorlin> yay desktop amd64 done
[19:30] <rafaellaguna> O.O
[19:30] <rafaellaguna> I can't keep this for me only
[19:30] <rafaellaguna> IT WORKS!
[19:30] <rafaellaguna> qtcurve theme for Lubuntu!!!
[19:31] <ianorlin> on wily ?
[19:31] <phillw> rafaellaguna:  congrats!!!!
[19:31] <rafaellaguna> YUP
[19:31] <rafaellaguna> the colours look like shit but it's a beginning
[19:31] <rafaellaguna> say goodbye to GTK...
[19:32] <phillw> rafaellaguna: well, not untill 16.10 we cannot :(
[19:32] <rafaellaguna> I know :)
[19:32] <rafaellaguna> and anyway I must include, just in case anybody installs a GTK app
[19:32] <rafaellaguna> *include it
[19:33] <phillw> rafaellaguna: did you try Julien's vivid QT in a VM yet ?
[19:33] <rafaellaguna> yes. no install, as you said, and no session or power options
[19:33] <rafaellaguna> I emulated "my own Vivid"
[19:33] <phillw> okies... glad I'm not going daft.... Well, I am already daft, but you know what I mean :)
[19:34] <rafaellaguna> no
[19:34] <rafaellaguna> :D
[19:35] <rafaellaguna> lots of dependencies to clean (elementary, oxygen, etc)
[19:36] <phillw> plenty of time. It is a massive step change and the boss wants to also look at resource usage, as he says it is somewhat higher then he hoped for.
[19:37] <phillw> *than*
[19:37] <rafaellaguna> yup. that's why I want to get rid off some packages. plain Box.
[19:37] <rafaellaguna> artwork will be less heavy.
[19:37] <rafaellaguna> oxygen is 29 MB sized!
[19:38] <rafaellaguna> Box is 18
[19:38] <rafaellaguna> we can't keep both
[19:38] <rafaellaguna> because we need to include accessibility ones
[19:39] <phillw> no, it is the resources the computer is using that is his concern. It seems a lot heavier on resources than he inititially thought, so it will take some pruning to get it down.
[19:39] <rafaellaguna> yes. that too. but I'm afraid the ISO size won't be less than 800MB or more
[19:40] <rafaellaguna> out of bounds
[19:40] <phillw> 16.04 is our LTS, that will be stable and supported. LxQt can still be fully followed, as all we are doing is holding releases
[19:41] <rafaellaguna> yes
[19:41] <phillw> putting  ISO's onto a diet is always a difficult task. Not made any easier as lubuntu are the one in the family that does.
[19:41] <rafaellaguna> that cooker's task
[19:41] <rafaellaguna> but we can help by choosing the right packages
[19:46] <phillw> rafaellaguna: well, I can save a load of space and resources .... sack the other browsers and use xombrero :D
[19:46] <rafaellaguna> :D
[19:47] <rafaellaguna> we're on it. removing Chromium and putting QupZilla will do the job