=== ahoneybun_ is now known as ahoneybun [17:31] alternates are out people, go test [17:33] and now we have desktop builds [18:46] wxl: are we now frozen? [18:49] trying to figure that out phillw [18:49] but seems like it [18:51] okies. updated the postings saying it is tomorrow! [18:52] Bug 1467517 [18:52] bug 1467517 in lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu) "LSC can only 'see' installed applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467517 [18:52] ahh, it has arrived!!! [18:52] well testing continues until thursday like normal i imagine [18:53] wxl: Joern has already been informed, it is just a paperwork excersise.. we had same last release. [18:53] phillw: yeah and afaik lsc is on its way out [18:54] it will remain until cute. [18:54] which happens to be written by the same guy who now bug fixes LSC :D - You have me and rafaellaguna to blame for that :D [18:54] O.O [18:55] Stephen Smalley left LSC as abandonware, Joern has bug fixed it for us, but is working more on what will be cute updater etc. [18:56] I don't know why but it works fine in Trusty (ElementaryOS) [18:56] it also works fine in vivid [18:56] I'm going to test it in a virtual Utopic I use for testing themes [18:56] there must have been a change in DBus / polkit [18:56] wait, it works for you? then why the bug? [18:57] rafaellaguna: werewolf? 15.10 ?... Do read the bug report :D [18:57] oh sorry, only in werewolf [18:57] I wish ubuntu-bug said alternate or desktop installer could be the won't fix bug with alternate [18:58] which joern said there was no real good way to fix but there are workarounds [18:59] rafaellaguna: it is a regression type bug, that has been previously fixed - but some smart person has altered some thing some where that causes LSC to not be able to see things. [18:59] let me guess... nobody from Lubuntu team [19:00] ianorlyn: once you have an install, it matters not one jot where it came from? [19:00] phillw: no this was something with the way altenrates and updating the database for lubuntu software center not working which is why it was so hard to reproduce [19:01] I could install mini-iso (net boot) and add lubuntu-desktop meta package. I expect lubuntu desktop :) [19:01] the way I remember to fix it sudo dpkg-reconfigure lubuntu-software-center although there is an update command I can't remember on my head [19:03] anyway live session and manual partitoining install for amd 64 are basically done now [19:03] Well, until desktop installer can run on machines that lubuntu can - we have alternate. There has been talk of getting ubiquity a hair cut to lighten it - but that project seems to have gone very quiet. [19:04] wxl: I'm still a bit confused at the desktop test cases Vs the alternate ones.. [19:04] phillw: whatcha mean? [19:05] difference between guided and auto-resize for a start [19:07] encrytped home is no longer even a test case for Desktop, yet a suggested for alternate? Why? [19:08] phillw: I think that is just a difference in the way it is phrased [19:10] okay. So for Alternate, do we even need 'encrytped' ? [19:12] and as for 'unencrypted home'??? What?.... That is the blooming default! [19:15] Alternate Install..... [19:15] 1) Does it install on an entire disk [19:15] 2) Does It install next to an existing OS [19:15] phillw: encryption and unencrypted home are both optional [19:16] generally 1, but the guided can do 2 if you want [19:16] wxl: how the heck do have unencrypted home? [19:17] phillw: i don't remember the whole discussion but there was some sort of reason for it ;) [19:17] both 1) and 2) are, by default, unencrypted home! [19:17] you can ask nio, as i think he was the one pushing for it :) [19:17] well, go find the reason! [19:17] i'll let you know when i have a second [19:17] ta. [19:17] meanwhile, since it's optional, ignore it [19:18] No, I do the encrypeted as part of the side by side install. Kills two birds with one stone :) [19:19] Just, come on.... unencrypted home?!!! [19:28] yay desktop amd64 done [19:30] O.O [19:30] I can't keep this for me only [19:30] IT WORKS! [19:30] qtcurve theme for Lubuntu!!! [19:31] on wily ? [19:31] rafaellaguna: congrats!!!! [19:31] YUP [19:31] the colours look like shit but it's a beginning [19:31] say goodbye to GTK... [19:32] rafaellaguna: well, not untill 16.10 we cannot :( [19:32] I know :) [19:32] and anyway I must include, just in case anybody installs a GTK app [19:32] *include it [19:33] rafaellaguna: did you try Julien's vivid QT in a VM yet ? [19:33] yes. no install, as you said, and no session or power options [19:33] I emulated "my own Vivid" [19:33] okies... glad I'm not going daft.... Well, I am already daft, but you know what I mean :) [19:34] no [19:34] :D [19:35] lots of dependencies to clean (elementary, oxygen, etc) [19:36] plenty of time. It is a massive step change and the boss wants to also look at resource usage, as he says it is somewhat higher then he hoped for. [19:37] *than* [19:37] yup. that's why I want to get rid off some packages. plain Box. [19:37] artwork will be less heavy. [19:37] oxygen is 29 MB sized! [19:38] Box is 18 [19:38] we can't keep both [19:38] because we need to include accessibility ones [19:39] no, it is the resources the computer is using that is his concern. It seems a lot heavier on resources than he inititially thought, so it will take some pruning to get it down. [19:39] yes. that too. but I'm afraid the ISO size won't be less than 800MB or more [19:40] out of bounds [19:40] 16.04 is our LTS, that will be stable and supported. LxQt can still be fully followed, as all we are doing is holding releases [19:41] yes [19:41] putting ISO's onto a diet is always a difficult task. Not made any easier as lubuntu are the one in the family that does. [19:41] that cooker's task [19:41] but we can help by choosing the right packages [19:46] rafaellaguna: well, I can save a load of space and resources .... sack the other browsers and use xombrero :D [19:46] :D [19:47] we're on it. removing Chromium and putting QupZilla will do the job