[00:32] <hevyhomie> hello anyone can help me with this if awake? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11753783/
[00:37] <hevyhomie> http://pastebin.com/a7ZX3EdL can you help on this?
[03:45] <dupingping> The awesome software is published, You can use the trial version of Sticky Notes.
[03:45] <dupingping> http://korsoftware.com
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:14] <robin-hero> DanChapman: Hey Dan! I found something weird with Dekko. I used the last version, but the "To" string in mail compose view is untranslated. I looked it at Launchpad, but it is translated and included in the .po file too.
[08:18] <ultimatetux> ogra_: here?
[08:19] <ultimatetux> Anybody made any attempt/progress regarding luks disk encryption for ubuntu touch?
[08:20] <davmor2> ultimatetux: not yet that I am aware of
[08:21] <ultimatetux> davmor2: what would it take to do so? Need messing with the bootloader?
[08:22] <ultimatetux> davmor2: cause in normal the initrd is the first to be adjusted
[08:23] <davmor2> ultimatetux: no idea, that is one for the devs, I know there is still plans for encryption just not yet too many other moving parts I think
[08:23] <ultimatetux> I see
[08:24] <DanChapman> robin-hero: hey, that's weird indeed. Let me look...
[08:24] <robin-hero> Thanks
[08:25] <DanChapman> robin-hero: is the To field getting translated when viewing a message?
[08:25] <robin-hero> Yes
[08:26] <DanChapman> ahh seems it's not marked for translation at all http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpniel/dekko/0.5/view/head:/qml/Composer/TypedRecipientField.qml#L144
[08:26] <DanChapman> robin-hero: thanks, i'll fix that now
[08:28] <robin-hero> Cool, thanks :)
[09:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Onion Rings Day! 😃
[09:01] <djanos> Hello, it is possible to install firefox on ubuntu touch ? thanks
[09:12] <Zabuldon> Hello guys! Could you please help me? i want to try port ubuntu to my desire 816, i got device tree for CM 11 and follow with the https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ but when i start lunch and select my a5 device i got a message:  build/core/product_config.mk:224: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "a5 ".  Stop.
[10:51] <Zabuldon> Hello guys! Could you please help me? i want to try port ubuntu to my desire 816, i got device tree for CM 11 and follow with the https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ but when i start lunch and select my a5 device i got a message:  build/core/product_config.mk:224: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "a5 ".  Stop.
[10:51] <Zabuldon> [12:20pm]
[10:52] <Walex2> djanos: someone will have to do a port of Firefox...
[11:01] <sturmflut2> 260 e-mails in my "Ubuntu" folder :/
[11:02] <ogra_> you lucky bastard !
[11:02] <ogra_> :P
[11:02] <sturmflut2> ogra_: At least you get paid for reading them :P
[11:02]  * ogra_ gets three times as much per day :)
[11:21] <jibel> On mako/devel-proposed, latest build,  I cannot set greeter security to passcode. Is it known?
[11:23] <jibel> cannot set to anything else the swipe actually
[11:23] <jibel> s/the/than
[11:30] <sturmflut2> git support on Launchpad works surprisingly well
[11:51] <matv1> i'm curious: telegram app uses push notification, but there is some kind of polling used when not the app is not started, because notifications on the phone are always much later then on the desktop or my droid phone
[11:51] <matv1> my question is: is the polling bottleneck caused in the app itself or is it the notification center?
[11:54] <popey> matv1: maybe pop in #ubuntu-telegram and ask karni
[11:55] <matv1> popey sorry I forget there is now a separate channel :(
[11:55] <popey> np :)
[11:55] <robin-hero> Hi all! With the new release (r23) indicator-datetime shows my calendar events in UTC. Can I change this somehow?
[12:07] <Zabuldon> Hello guys! Could you please help me? i want to try port ubuntu to my desire 816, i got device tree for CM 11 and follow with the https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ but when i start lunch and select my a5 device i got a message:  build/core/product_config.mk:224: *** Can not locate config makefile for product "a5 ".  Stop.
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> Zabuldon: did you try the XDA forums, maybe there's an existing project?
[12:09] <Zabuldon> yes, and found one project. I tried to contact with topic owner but without success.
[12:14] <hevyhomie> help: i am porting to moto e and i keep getting this error on build: http://pastebin.com/fWNBXXAC
[12:16] <hevyhomie> Zabuldon: what is the name of your mk file in your pertaining device folder?
[12:17] <sturmflut2> Is there any info on which features/bugfixes will be in the Telegram 2.0 client?
[12:17] <Zabuldon> i have few .mk files in device/htc/a5 one of them is full_a5.mk
[12:18] <hevyhomie> Zabuldon: do you have a vendorsetup.sh file and inside it wrote, add_lunch_combo full_condor-userdebug?
[12:19] <hevyhomie> sub full_condor for full_a5
[12:19] <Zabuldon> yes:add_lunch_combo a5-eng
[12:19] <Zabuldon> add_lunch_combo a5-userdebug
[12:19] <hevyhomie> try full_a5-userdebug instead
[12:20] <Zabuldon> one sec
[12:21] <Zabuldon> nothing changed
[12:24] <hevyhomie> that is the closest thing I could think of
[12:25] <OerHeks> awesome, bq for sale in Mediamarkt.de http://www.mediamarkt.de/mcs/product/_BQ-Aquaris-E4-5-Ubuntu-Edition-schwarz,48353,464028,2094267.html?langId=-3
[12:26] <popey> sturmflut2: maybe ask in #ubuntu-telegram :)
[12:26] <popey> sturmflut2: or https://code.launchpad.net/~libqtelegram-team/libqtelegram/libqtelegram-dev
[12:27] <sturmflut2> popey: I was trying to avoid having to work through all the source code commits, I DO have to work through several thousand mails today already
[12:28] <popey> oh, you want someone else to do that for you? :)
[12:28] <sturmflut2> popey: Kinda trying to ;)
[12:30] <matv1> Oerheks unfortunately not in the netherlands .. yet
[12:31] <OerHeks> matv1, yeah, but i have hope it will be, soon.
[12:31] <hevyhomie> http://pastebin.com/fWNBXXAC anyone the reason for this?
[12:31] <matv1> OerHeks ah you have info i don't ? :)
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: nice
[12:32] <OerHeks> matv1, no, i guess so
[12:34] <matv1> OerHeks we could always overload their site search with 'ubuntu phone' :)
[12:36] <sturmflut2> hevyhomie: The compiler throws a warning about the referenced line of code, and the build system is configured to not let warnings pass
[12:36] <sturmflut2> hevyhomie: I have no idea about the build system in use though
[12:40] <hevyhomie> im going off of this: wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Condor_Info
[12:42] <sturmflut2> popey: Okay, I've asked the developers, the Telegram 2.0 app will be a major refactoring of the old code with a focus on performance and stability, it will become easier to add new features in the future, but the initial release will have feature parity with the current app, nothing more.
[12:44] <popey> good to know sturmflut2 :)
[12:45] <sturmflut2> popey: But I see a "voice note" feature waiting to be released with version 1.3.15
[12:46] <hevyhomie> sturmflut2: thanks
[13:17] <popey> seb128: do you recall the bug number for where system settings switches back on reporting of crashes because of a non-existent read-write file in /etc?
[13:17] <seb128> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whoopsie-preferences/+bug/1437633
[13:18] <popey> \o/ ta
[13:18] <seb128> yw
[13:18] <seb128> the lxc side is assigned to ogra_
[13:18] <seb128> but I don't think that ever landed
[13:18] <ogra_> sturmflut2, did you file a bug about the arale memory issue ?
[13:18] <ogra_> seb128, hmm, i thought kenvandine landed it a while ago
[13:19] <ogra_> together with other öxc-android-config changes
[13:19] <ogra_> *lxc
[13:19] <kenvandine> ogra_, i did land one of your fixes, don't recall which
[13:19] <ogra_> yeah, same here ... :P
[13:19] <ogra_> oh, wait, that was USB tethering
[13:19] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Not yet, I am still working through about a hundred other bug reports to confirm them/mark me as "affected"
[13:19] <kenvandine> ah, yeah
[13:20] <ogra_> so yeah, might not have landed yet, seb128 might be correct
[13:20] <popey> well, bug above seems to not be fxed in retail devices, someone on the phone list complaining about it.
[13:21] <seb128> popey, right, it's not closed
[13:21] <seb128> so it's not fixed in non-retail devices either :p
[13:21] <sturmflut2> ogra_: I also have to talk to people like cking and check if something is really eating memory or if the arale kernel just accounts things in a different way than krillin and the desktop
[13:22] <ogra_> sturmflut2, there are no "people like cking" ... nobody could be like him ;)
[13:22] <sturmflut2> ogra_: True, so ture
[13:22] <cking> :-)
[13:22] <ogra_> :)
[13:22] <sturmflut2> s/ture/true/
[13:23]  * ogra_ is sad that neither heise nor golem.de picked up that you can buy ubuntu phones at meadiamarkt and saturn 
[13:23] <Stskeeps> tip them?
[13:23] <seb128> ogra_, you can?
[13:23] <Stskeeps> fairly sure i know of some UT fans at both of them, or at least qt
[13:23] <ogra_> Stskeeps, yeah, someone should ... i dont really want to look like the advertising employee :)
[13:24] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, and you can order them at otto.ed and notebooksbilliger.de
[13:24] <ogra_> *otto.de
[13:24] <seb128> nice
[13:25] <ogra_> it isnt really clear if mediamarkt and saturn will offer them in retail stores though ...
[13:25] <ogra_> but you can definitely order them in the online stores
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> mediamarkt stores handle different policy from each store
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> its local choice of the boss in that specific store
[13:26] <ogra_> yep ... franchise system
[13:32] <ogra_> whee !
[13:32]  * lotuspsychje hides oO
[13:32]  * ogra_ hugs seb128 for bug 1459676
[13:32] <ogra_> that bugs me every time i travel
[13:33] <seb128> ogra_, ;-)
[13:33] <seb128> my pleasure!
[13:40] <Laney> you time travel?
[13:40] <ogra_> Laney, only when switching continents usually :)
[14:04] <davmor2> Laney: ogra_ is already 1 hour into our future,  ogra_ what time is it there?  Laney you'll see ;)
[14:06] <Laney> he's too busy in his flying car to notice us
[14:08] <ogra_> 4pm here :)
[14:08] <thunderstrom> the is bug in alarme app in dev channel.
[14:09] <ogra_> and, i dont have time for flying cars, i promised sturmflut2 snappy-sharks-with-lasers (and flying fridges)
[14:11] <davmor2> ogra_: start with flying toasters wait I bet Microsoft already virtualised those
[14:12] <ogra_> yeah, it is fridges all the way for us ...
[14:14] <Laney> I'll only be impressed once it delivers the food straight into my face
[14:14] <davmor2> Laney: http://giphy.com/gifs/9Z26sZp6MiQfu like this
[14:15] <Laney> "ah crap, segfaulted again"
[14:16] <davmor2> Laney: no you specifically said face no mouth ti's your own fault :D
[14:16] <davmor2> s/no mouth ti's/not mouth it's
[14:17] <mcphail> I'm finding my bq phone is very laggy when the screen has been off for a while. Makes it annoying to unlock and type passcode etc. Settles after 30 seconds or so. Only noticed it since rtm was updated to vivid. Anyone else seeing this?
[14:18] <Guest96835> 你好
[14:24] <matv1> mcphail I think it was already reported and related to wifi
[14:25] <matv1> at least I remember a mailinglist thread about that recently
[14:26] <matv1> mcphail does this seem like what you have?
[14:26] <matv1> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13451.html
[14:27] <mcphail> matv1: do yo know if there is a bug I could +1?
[14:27] <mcphail> oops - just saw your link
[14:28] <matv1> I am actualy not quite sure there is one, reading through .. at least no one reporting mentioned a lp bugreport
[14:31] <mcphail> matv1: thanks. Sounds like I have a similar issue but nothing of interest in /var/crash. Feels a bit like a CPU throttling issue
[14:35] <mcphail> dbus-daemon seems to be taking up a lot of %CPU according to "top". Is that relevant here?
[14:37] <matv1> mcphail don't know. i see now that seb128 did file it.
[14:37] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1466741
[14:39] <mcphail> matv1: perfect. Cheers
[14:40] <matv1> mcphail: np :)
[14:41] <mcphail> :)
[14:45] <conyoo> welp.. i think my keyboard crashed o_O tapping on text box doesn't bring up the keyboard in any app (mx 4)
[15:29] <sturmflut2> Hm, when arale is locked and completly idle the MediaTek thermal management code causes 20 timer events/second and the PowerVR GPU another 20/s. Seems rather high and much more than on krillin
[15:32] <popey> sturmflut2: sounds like one for cking :)
[15:32] <popey> he loves those kinds of things
[15:32] <sturmflut2> popey: He has serious work to do
[15:32] <simosx> sturmflut2, have you managed to recompile the kernel from source for either the bq or the mx4?
[15:33] <cking> popey, I'm way overloaded with other "fun", but if somebody needs it looking into, ping my manager
[15:33] <sturmflut2> simosx: I once built it for the bq, but the generated android boot image wouldn't boot on my device, and I had so much other stuff to do, so I moved it to the bottom of my queue
[15:34] <ogra_> sturmflut2, the wonderful world of the PVR driver :)
[15:34] <ogra_> (krillin has no SGX hardware)
[15:34] <ogra_> sturmflut2, file a bug for that too ;)
[15:34] <sturmflut2> ogra_: I have a long-standing hate relationship with Imagination Technologies
[15:34] <simosx> sturmflut2, I had the same issues with the E4.5 (had to flash a proper boot.img to fix).
[15:34] <ogra_> we all do
[15:35] <ogra_> at least everyone who ever had to do with that driver does ... i assume
[15:35] <ogra_> sturmflut2, btw: sudo /system/bin/logcat -d -b main *:E
[15:35] <ogra_> enjoy :(
[15:35] <simosx> ImgTec gave some hints on some sort of open drivers.
[15:35] <ogra_> yeah ...
[15:36] <ogra_> might be marketing ... i belive it when i see it
[15:36] <sturmflut2> simosx: Well, that doesn't mean anything in the GPU world. Not even Intel or AMD can get their open drivers right
[15:36] <cwayne> _salem`: ping
[15:36] <ogra_> its such a shame ... the HW is extremely wonderful ... so sad that you cant make real use of it thanks to the driver
[15:37] <ogra_> (the SGX chips are actually really great)
[15:38] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Did you know that they have a product line that can do actual raytracing, fully accelerated by the hardware?
[15:38] <ogra_> i heard of that, yeah
[15:39] <simosx> sturmflut2, it would be an improvement if the drivers are somehow more open. Anyway, the hints came from https://www.reddit.com/user/alexvoica (PR, ImgTec), see recent comments.
[15:40] <popey> dpm: played with the unity8 session a bit more, there's more missing. can't run calendar app, it moans about gsettings schemas being missing.
[15:41] <sturmflut2> simosx: It wouldn't. A driver that's not fully open is just about as horrible as a fully closed driver. You will *always* run into something that's still hidden in the remaining black box.
[15:41] <ogra_> sturmflut2, we used to have PVR on the maguro when we started ... the funny thing shoved each and every vsync though a uevent ... 50 udev log messages per second and stuff ... thats fun :)
[15:42] <sturmflut2> simosx: Which is why Intel should be punished for introducing firmware blobs with their upcoming GPUs
[15:42] <sturmflut2> ogra_: m(
[15:42] <Stskeeps> (intel even has closed blobs for their HD graphics for android tablets..)
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah ... who would have thoght that from intel (until poulsbo)
[15:43] <simosx> sturmflut2, to be able to punish, one needs to have an alternative and advocate for the free/open alternative.
[15:45] <ogra_> simosx, the prob is that you wont build up pressure as long as they are not on par with features ...
[15:45] <ogra_> show me one linux PC gamer that runs his system with nouveau
[15:46]  * mcphail games on radeon rather than fglrx...
[15:46] <ogra_> and you get better performance ?
[15:47] <mcphail> I get decent performance and the overall experience is better
[15:47] <mcphail> e.g. desktop actually works
[15:47] <_salem`> cwayne, pong
[15:47] <sturmflut2> simosx: AMD has been working on their open-source GPU support for eight years now. Eight years. And you still can't plug a new card into your existing Ubuntu PC and at least have 2D up and running.
[15:48] <Walex2> sturmflut2: same as for all Linux related hw stuff: slightly older models tend to be supported, newest don't.
[15:50] <Walex2> mcphail: ogra_: I have used both 'fglrx' and 'radeon' and both work for me fairly well (HD7850 and R9-280). I prefer 'radeon' because it is better integrated with the rest. Too bad MesaGL does not support OpenGL4 yet.
[15:50] <simosx> For AMD, there was different codebase for the Windows driver and the open-source driver. It took more time for the smallish resources to support the newer chips.
[15:50] <sturmflut2> Walex2: That's not necessarily true. LOTS of manufacturers try to put drivers for their upcoming hardware into the kernel ahead of time. Intel often even has the kernel code upstream a year before the hardware ships.
[15:51] <mcphail> the problem is Ubuntu ships with old kernels
[15:51] <Walex2> sturmflut2: that's quite rare. Some AMD/nVidia drivers have PCI IDs of unreleased chips already.
[15:51] <ogra_> mcphail, not true if you use LTS :)
[15:52] <simosx> mcphail, if you refer to the phones, it's just the SoCs do not have upstream Linux kernel support (but only support a specific Linux version that coincides with an Android version).
[15:52] <Walex2> mcphail: ogra_: sensible distros ship with "stable" versions. The problem is that Linux does not have a stable ABI for kernel drivers, by choice.
[15:52] <ogra_> Walex2, well, intel *are* the good guys here ... (at least in the non-embedded market) ... if AMD and nvidia would just do the same linux graphics would rock
[15:52] <mcphail> simosx: yes - the phone kernels are a real problem. So much innovation is being held back
[15:53] <ogra_> mcphail, what are you missing in the phone kernels ?
[15:53] <Walex2> ogra_: for AMD and nVidia the Linux market is probably not worth the effort. We can only hope that Steam boxes become popular.
[15:53] <simosx> mcphail, it's MediaTek that should do (have done?) the mainline work.
[15:53]  * ogra_ thinks they do just fine what they are supposed to ... making the hardware work
[15:53] <sturmflut2> Walex2: No, it's not rare. It's just that things like the GPU and WiFi are prominent, if they don't work you'll notice it immediately. I have yet to remember when I had to last update my kernel because e.g. a new hard drive or an ethernet port didn't work.
[15:54] <mcphail> ogra_: all my exotic suggestions for doing funny things with btrfs and overlayfs always end with "the kernel doesn't support that" :)
[15:54] <ogra_> mcphail, lol, ok
[15:54] <ogra_> emphasis on "exotic" :)
[15:54] <sturmflut2> Walex2: So basically AMD, Nvidia and a handfull of WiFi manufacturers ruin the whole experience
[15:54] <ogra_> it is linux after all though ... and the source is available ... you could backport what you need
[15:55] <ogra_> (not that that is likely to be fun or easy, but technically possible)
[15:55] <Walex2> sturmflut2: lots of hard drivers and ethernet chips need special tweaks in the kernel. I have had several cases where the non-so-common but not-so-rare ehternet port in a desktop or laptop did not work until the tweak appeared
[15:55] <sturmflut2> mcphail: I will trust btrfs in a couple of years, maybe
[15:55] <ogra_> heh
[15:55] <ogra_> btrfs
[15:55] <mcphail> sturmflut2: well, ext4 has had worse problems recently
[15:56] <sturmflut2> mcphail: Worse problems than "I just lost all my data, again, like yesterday"? I highly doubt it
[15:56] <mcphail> sturmflut2: yep - kernel 4.0 or 4.1 causes massive data corruption with ext4
[15:57]  * sturmflut2 runs a btrfs RAID-5 on this PC and would never trust it with anything
[15:57] <ogra_> if i would go for a specific filesystem on phones it would be f2fs i think
[15:57] <mcphail> *caused
[15:59] <cwayne> _salem`: is Ubuntu.Telephony documented anywhere?
[15:59] <mcphail> I'd love a COW filesystem (ideally with deduplication) for the phone. Every version of "neverball" is going to consume more of my system spaca...:)
[15:59] <ogra_> even if popey will hate me now ... let me tell you that snappy will fix this :)
[16:00] <kenvandine> haha
[16:00] <mcphail> ogra_: don't worry: I'm sold
[16:00] <ogra_> it will soon get deduplication on all levels
[16:00] <dpm> popey, I'll have a play with the unity8 session from the ISO on wily this evening
[16:00] <ogra_> (filesystem and ram at least ... )
[16:00] <_salem`> cwayne, unfortunately not, it is still a private api. also, we will be changing the api soon. Do you need any help with it?
[16:00] <mcphail> ogra_: I've pointed 2 people towards #snappy on #ubuntu today already
[16:00] <ogra_> :D
[16:01] <sturmflut2> mcphail: AFAIK the EXT4 corruption issue in kernel 4.0 was an md-raid issue in the end
[16:01] <mcphail> sturmflut2: aah well - btrfs RAID was safer than md-raid then :)
[16:03]  * mcphail has been running btrfs for ages and has only had complete filesystem corruption 11 or 12 times. reinstalling is _fun_
[16:04] <sturmflut2> mcphail: You mean the btrfs RAID support that is so good that every btrfs developer tells you to not use RAID-5/6 with btrfs? ;)
[16:04] <mcphail> to be fair, these were RAID0, so my own fault
[16:04] <mcphail> sturmflut2: ha!
[16:06] <sturmflut2> At least the head btrfs developer at Fujitsu told me a couple of months ago
[16:08]  * mcphail is increasingly convinced the lag on vivid is related to the dbus-daemon process
[16:10] <sturmflut2> mcphail: dbus shows up a lot on cpustat, yes
[16:12] <mcphail> sturmflut2: no lagging with my phone just now: dbus-daemon at 1--10% CPU. If my phone sleeps for a while, wakes and has lag, dbus-daemon is at 20--40% most of the time
[16:12] <Walex2> mcphail: BTRFS filesystem corruption is *very* rare and has been so for years. What can happen is that the filesystem becomes essentially read-only and has to be reloaded.
[16:14] <sturmflut2> Walex2: I have to say that it has become much better in the last 12 months, but before that corruption was "rare" enough to completely lose my data every couple of months. I use a btrfs RAID-5 out of three disks as a scratch space.
[16:15] <mcphail> Walex2: I've broken it a few times over the past couple of years when running on dodgy hardware. No surprises about the breaks but very hard to recover
[16:16] <mcphail> Walex2: in saying that, the benefits outweight the breakages for me
[16:16] <sturmflut2> Walex2: And please never forget that the developers didn't even care to release btrfschk until about 2012
[16:17] <sturmflut2> Development of a filesystem should *start* with the release of an fsck, not end with it
[16:35] <Matlib> hello
[16:35] <Matlib> I have a problem with my aquaris
[16:35] <Matlib> is this the right forum to ask?
[16:35] <sturmflut2> Matlib: Yes
[16:36] <Matlib> SMS keyboard disappeared after the last update
[16:36] <Matlib> :B
[16:36] <Matlib> There's just blank grey box where keys normally showed
[16:39] <simosx> Matlib, can you check if that is the case with the online keyboard not showing up at different input boxes as well?
[16:39] <Matlib> in all boxes yes
[16:39] <simosx> Matlib, as weird as it may seem, I just got the same issue right now. I am rebooting the phone just in case.
[16:40] <Matlib> hmm
[16:40] <Matlib> reboot sounds like a plan
[16:41] <simosx> it works now. it's weird because i never had that issue before. last used the keyboard to type something about 10 minutes ago...
[16:41] <Matlib> wee
[16:41] <Matlib> it worked
[16:42] <Matlib> one more thing thou
[16:42] <Matlib> Is there any way to start wi-fi hotspot on this device?
[16:43] <simosx> Matlib, afaik, the GUI does not expose the WiFi hotspot functionality yet.
[16:43] <Matlib> might be through ssh
[16:43] <sturmflut2> Matlib: Not yet, it will be part of a future update
[16:43] <Matlib> even with the terminal?
[16:44] <Matlib> I've found some magic nm* commands on the internet but they didn't work for me
[16:58] <simosx> Matlib, check if the WiFi card can actually get into either ad-hoc or master mode. that's a requirement in order to become a hotspot.
[16:58] <thunderstrom> hi, last night i created a alarme on clock app to ring at 6:30am, but it rang at 4:30am. i.e. 2 hrs before the scheduled time. Any one can help?
[17:00] <simosx> thunderstrom, that might be weird a timezone issue. Are you located at GMT+2 by any chance?
[17:01] <thunderstrom> simosx, yes you are right
[17:02] <thunderstrom> any fix there ?
[17:03] <simosx> thunderstrom, you will probably need to replicate this issue. What is important, is what is shown on the screen should be the time the ringing happens.
[17:03] <simosx> thunderstrom, did you set up that alarm some time ago, before the time you updated your phone to OTA-4?
[17:05] <simosx> have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app for any possible existing reports.
[17:06] <thunderstrom> simosx, nop i ve recently moved to dev channel and an on update 249
[17:07] <ogra_> well, dont use the dev channel
[17:07] <popey> you pm'ed me earlier and said you were on wily 15.10
[17:07] <ogra_> use the rc channel
[17:07] <popey> i said don't do that
[17:07] <ogra_> (or rc-proposed if you are after daily crack)
[17:08] <simosx> busted ;-)
[17:09] <thunderstrom> ok thanks i am returnning back to rc channel
[17:14] <ogra_> slangasek, hmm, if we somehow know we have to start the crash handler we should also be able to tell the shell about it (before or while collecting the core), shouldnt we ? i mean ... that knowledge is somewhere in there ...
[17:26] <Matlib> iw list does not show "AP" in supported modes which supposedly means game over for me :/
[17:27] <Matlib> only "IBSS" and "managed"
[17:29] <Matlib> Is there any way to speed ssh while screen is off?
[17:29] <Matlib> up
[17:30] <Matlib> as soon as the screen turns off the phone seems to enter the lazy mode
[17:30] <Matlib> :)
[17:31] <slangasek> ogra_: nope.  welcome to kernel space
[17:31] <ogra_> damn ... we should get rid of that thing :)
[17:32] <ogra_> always in the way
[17:32] <ogra_> Matlib, yes, by making the screen stay on
[17:32] <Matlib> that drains the battery then
[17:33] <ogra_> like you keeping it alive on low level for ssh access
[17:33] <ogra_> it wont properly suspend anyway
[17:34] <ogra_> if you keep an ssh connection active
[17:34] <Matlib> well no
[17:34] <Matlib> the problem is it slows down regardless of ssh activity
[17:34] <ogra_> (which it does if you dont)
[17:35] <ogra_> indeed, it tires to suspend ... and ssh prevents that ... the two are wrangling all the time
[17:37] <Matlib> Weird things started happening after that last update
[17:37] <Matlib> screen's just frozen now
[17:37] <ogra_> are you ssh'ed in ?
[17:37] <Matlib> i can still use the ssh session tho
[17:37] <Matlib> yes
[17:37] <Matlib> :)
[17:37] <ogra_> check with top
[17:38] <ogra_> whats the main consumer there  ?
[17:38] <Matlib> unity8 taking 83%
[17:38] <Matlib> unity8-dash
[17:38] <dobey> no apport?
[17:38] <Matlib> no
[17:39]  * ogra_ would also have expected apport collecting a crash report
[17:39] <Matlib> i was working with the terminal app it disappeared out of a sudden and screen froze
[17:39] <Matlib> now it's back to normal, but all apps have closed
[17:39] <dobey> that sounds like a unity8 crash
[17:39] <ogra_> yeah
[17:39] <dobey> yeah, it crashed
[17:39] <ogra_> anything in /var/crash ?
[17:39] <dobey> you checked top after apport finished i guess
[17:40] <Matlib> a little bit, 6 files starting with _usr_bin_*
[17:40] <Matlib> _usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash
[17:40] <Matlib> is the recent one
[17:40] <ogra_> yeah
[17:40] <ogra_> so your session crashed ... better reboot then
[17:41] <ogra_> (apps are not killed when that happens ... meaning they eat your resources now)
[17:41] <Matlib> rebootin
[17:41] <ogra_> (without having any UI)
[17:42] <Matlib> ah one thing
[17:42] <Matlib> navigation
[17:42] <Matlib> the very first time i launched google maps I said no to access GPS
[17:42] <Matlib> is there any way to reset this setting?
[17:42] <ogra_> in system-settings
[17:42] <dobey> in system settings under location you can enable it
[17:42] <Matlib> system settings app?
[17:43] <ogra_> yes
[17:43] <Matlib> ok testing
[17:46] <Matlib> third issue that's been since ever
[17:47] <Matlib> DNS resolver stops working after wifi is tuned off or out of range
[17:47] <Matlib> it wont switch to 3G by itself
[17:47] <Matlib> phone restart is needed
[17:47]  * ogra_ doubts thats DNS related ... check your routing
[17:47] <ogra_> (there is a bug open about missing default route)
[17:51] <Matlib> aha
[17:52] <ogra_> btw, what device, which channel etc ?
[17:52] <Matlib> so yeah, I turned them on in System settings → Security & Privacy → Location access
[17:53] <Matlib> and there's still "Uncle Google can't determine your location"
[17:53] <Matlib> I'll check the network issue later once it happens again
[17:53] <Matlib> It doesnt reveal every time
[17:54] <Matlib> I havent rebooted thou (the GPS thing) :D
[17:54] <conyoo> uuu managed to crash ubuntu-keyboard on mx4
[17:55] <conyoo> managed to crash basically everything lol
[17:55] <dobey> well, google can hit the timeout while your phone is trying to resolve the location
[17:55] <ogra_> conyoo, with the default image that was installed when you recieved it ?
[17:55] <conyoo> i've updated
[17:56] <conyoo> r1
[17:56] <conyoo> lemme se :>
[17:57] <ogra_> well, i mean you didnt switch channels or tinker with the image in any other way (like making it writable or installing deb packages or something) ?
[17:57] <conyoo> nope
[17:57] <ogra_> definitely worth a bug against ubuntu-keyboard then
[17:57] <conyoo> i have no idea how to trigger the bug
[17:58] <conyoo> so it's probably pointless to open a bug now
[17:58] <conyoo> looking for logs now but i'm kind of lost
[17:58] <ogra_> ~/.cache/upstart/ ...
[17:59] <conyoo> i know those :>
[17:59] <ogra_> there should be a maliit log
[17:59] <Matlib> Is there any lower level tool to check gps functionality?
[17:59] <ogra_> thats the keyboard backend
[17:59] <Matlib> I'm suspecting hardware failure on this
[17:59] <ogra_> Matlib, there is a sensor-status app in the store
[18:00] <ogra_> also try the HERE app instead og google maps
[18:00] <ogra_> *of
[18:00] <Matlib> I tried with OSM maps
[18:00] <Matlib> "Geolocation failed"
[18:00] <davmor2> Matlib: reboot once you set that to on
[18:00] <Matlib> i hav
[18:00] <Matlib> e
[18:01] <davmor2> Matlib: osmtouch takes 2-3 attempts to get a fix
[18:01] <ogra_> Matlib, what device is that ...
[18:01] <Matlib> can this sensor be accessed from /sys/ or command line utilities by any chance?
[18:01] <Matlib> aquaris
[18:01] <ogra_> (and which channel)
[18:01] <Matlib> :S
[18:01] <conyoo> ogra_,  there are just a bunch of warnings in maliit-server.log
[18:02] <conyoo> something about QT unable to load some image
[18:02] <conyoo> qml
[18:03] <ogra_> Matlib, is that just a default install, nothing changed on the image, not made writable ever or anything ?
[18:03] <conyoo> WARNING: file:///usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/ubuntu/keys/KeyPopover.qml:33: TypeError: Cannot read property of null
[18:04] <conyoo> pff.. i don't really know what i'm looking at better download the source code
[18:04] <ogra_> conyoo, well, looks like an error ... file a bug, attach the log
[18:04] <conyoo> i'll try to fix it
[18:04] <conyoo> LOL
[18:04] <conyoo> :((
[18:06] <conyoo> thanks ogra_  :D \o/
[18:06] <Tm_T> how I make new special key shortcuts for touch terminal?
[18:08] <davmor2> popey: mhall119 ^ you guys have a doc for this somewhere right?
[18:09] <Tm_T> I happen to use tmux with its default ctrl-b actions and thus cannot use it really atm
[18:10] <Tm_T> I feel crippled ):
[18:12] <dobey> Tm_T: i think you grab the upstream source, make a "theme" thing for tmux, and wait for an update in the store
[18:13] <Tm_T> ...
[18:13] <ogra_> nah
[18:13] <ogra_> you can dump xml files somewhere for that
[18:14] <dobey> i'm sure others might appreciate submitting such xml files to the upstream terminal app so that they are there for everyone, though :)
[18:14] <Tm_T> sure
[18:15] <mariogrip> ogra_: How can i use ssh when i don't have access to adb, i tried to add key to authorized_keys with no luck...
[18:15] <Tm_T> ogra_: any quick'n'dirty documentation what kind of file to where, and where to submit it for others to benefit?
[18:16] <ogra_> mariogrip, i usually wget my key from launchpad ;)
[18:17] <ogra_> Tm_T, yes, there is, but i dont have it handy
[18:17]  * ogra_ goes for dinner
[18:17] <Tm_T> hmh, couldn't find it yet
[18:18] <dobey> Tm_T: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-terminal-dev/ubuntu-terminal-app/reboot/files/head:/src/app/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/ but i don't know where any docs are
[18:20] <conyoo> Tm_T, https://swordfishslabs.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/json-profiles-in-ubuntu-terminal-app/
[18:20] <conyoo> Tm_T, you just have to edit some json files
[18:22] <conyoo> Tm_T, jsonVisibleProfiles="{\"/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.terminal/0.7.91/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/ControlKeys.json\":true,\"/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.terminal/0.7.91/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/FunctionKeys.json\":true,\"/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.terminal/0.7.91/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/Nano.json\":true,\"/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.terminal/0.7.91/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/ScrollKeys.json\":true,\"/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.
[18:22] <conyoo> terminal/0.7.91/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/SimpleCommands.json\":true}"
[18:23] <EdwardMorbius> hello, anyone knows how to diagnose UI freeze after OTA4? before 15.04 once UI froze it would reboot after a while, after 15.04 update when UI froze I had to power off the phone so I am guessing error log was not submitted automatically (or maybe it was).
[18:23] <conyoo> Tm_T, /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.terminal/0.7.91/qml/KeyboardRows/Layouts/
[18:39] <conyoo> EdwardMorbius, logs https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/15/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-6-logfiles/
[18:44] <hevyhomie> good evening/afternoon, anyone have idea on this? http://pastebin.com/rfbZUfwa
[18:45] <mcphail> hevyhomie: looks fairly self-explanatory. What are you trying to compile?
[18:47] <hevyhomie> building touch port from lunch for moto e
[18:48] <hevyhomie> it's my first port btw
[18:49] <mcphail> hevyhomie: the compiler is raising a warning that it is expecting a variable of one type, but the code is providing another. The compiler has been set to treat all warnings as fatal errors and stop compiling
[18:50] <hevyhomie> what is rodata.c do?
[18:51] <mcphail> hevyhomie: I don't have a copy of the code so can't tell you. Someone else on here might know.
[18:51] <hevyhomie> ok thanks
[18:51] <conyoo> wow adb pull is dumb
[18:52] <ogra_> what intelligence do you expect from it ?
[18:52] <mcphail> hevyhomie: it might be worth pointing this out to whoever maintains the rodata.c file. There will probably be contact information somewhere in the file
[18:53] <hevyhomie> ok will check it out when i get home. :)
[18:53] <mcphail> hevyhomie: i _think_ it might be kernel code
[18:54] <hevyhomie> the device kernel?
[18:57] <mcphail> yes
[18:57] <conyoo> ogra_, or maybe i'm dumb :> adb pull ~/.cache/upstart blabla fails because ~/ = /home/pixel and not /home/phablet (although adb pull <remote> [<local>] and the first arg is <remote> []=optional, right?)
[18:58] <conyoo> ogra_, now i have to open a bug report and send the logs?
[18:58] <ogra_> well, your local shell expands ~
[18:58] <conyoo> right :>
[19:01] <conyoo> ogra_, i'm not sure if it's ubuntu-keyboard or it haven't been triggered by tapping on the text input field
[19:01] <ogra_> well, in neither case the keyboard server should crash
[19:01] <conyoo> right
[19:01] <ogra_> which it apparently did
[19:06] <conyoo> ogra_, another silly question :> is there a way to stop parsing the adb args?
[19:06] <conyoo> stop the shell
[19:07] <ogra_> turn off developer mode .
[19:07] <conyoo> :>
[19:14] <ice9> anybody here experienced with Ubuntu Touch porting?
[19:18] <dobey> conyoo: if you want the local shell to not parse the args, then quote them maybe
[19:18] <dobey> conyoo: ie, adb pull "~/foo" .
[19:18] <dobey> or just type /home/phablet/ instead
[19:22] <SturmFlut> simosx: Ping
[19:25] <conyoo> dobey, yep i was thinking of the same thing ;P
[19:25] <conyoo> bug 1467648
[19:49] <simosx> SturmFlut, pong
[19:49] <SturmFlut> simosx: You already answered on Telegram, sorry :)
[19:49] <simosx> SturmFlut, ok, cool.
[20:51] <taiebot> mm looking closer at some of the MX4 videos apps do not seems to open any faster than on the nexus 4 up to 4 sec to open the phone app https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CRCGdWT952Q#t=366
[20:54] <SturmFlut> taiebot: They do open faster on average, but not all of them
[20:56] <taiebot> Sturmflut: Just hoping to here from a leap in terms of app startup performance  :-D
[21:04] <SturmFlut> taiebot: Yeah, qmlscene could need a boost
[21:04] <svij> if there's one thing I hate on ubuntu phone, its the startup time of apps
[21:06] <taiebot> Sturmflut Is it a correct understanding that Qt sells is own  proprietary compiler ? if ubuntu was to use it apps once cached could start faster?
[21:06] <SturmFlut> taiebot: No, where did you read that?
[21:08] <SturmFlut> svij: People keep asking me "Are you serious" if I show them my phone and they get to see the startup time of most apps :/
[21:10] <svij> SturmFlut: yeah, that sucks. :-/
[21:16] <taiebot> Sturmflut: That was my understanding from the qt project that they offered proprietary tools that you can use to compile your project https://plus.google.com/+AaronSeigo/posts/GYe8RKradbS
[21:20] <SturmFlut> taiebot: Hm okay, there is http://doc.qt.io/QtQuickCompiler/ and https://github.com/qmlc/qmlc, but I can't find much information about it
[21:20] <SturmFlut> taiebot: qmlscene is supposed to cache everything after the first startup BTW, so future startups become faster
[21:22] <taiebot> Sturmflut: i know that but we are kinda far from the like of android and apple. Following the UT project makes me look at other phones completely differently.
[21:35] <mcphail> "The qmlscene utility is meant to be used for testing your QML applications, and not as a launcher in a production environment."
[21:35] <anpok> :)
[21:37] <SturmFlut> mcphail: But "real" Qt apps which happen to use QML files don't seem to be much faster, are they?
[21:39] <mcphail> SturmFlut: I can't tell you. I haven't compiled a proper Qt app since before QML came on the scene. I'm experimenting just now
[21:39] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Just look at Telegram, that's a true Qt app which uses QML
[21:40] <mcphail> certainly doesn't launch any faster
[21:42] <mcphail> I might try building telegram on the desktop and do some profiling
[21:43] <SturmFlut> Hmmm, this is just me trying to hit everything with my strace hammer, but why does qmlscene seem to spend 1.6 seconds on the epoll_wait and futex syscalls during startup, on arale? While not a single call to epoll_wait is issued when running the exact same qmlscene stuff on the desktop?
[21:45] <mcphail> SturmFlut: is it something to do with the splash screen?
[21:54] <Matlib> ogra_: I've tuned this and that like installing samba and openssh-server and some other things
[21:55] <Matlib> cant recall playing with GPS in any way
[21:55] <mcphail> SturmFlut: the ubuntu-telegram-app on launchpad is launched via qmlscene
[21:55] <Matlib> sensors app also shows nothing
[21:55] <Matlib> as well
[21:56] <Matlib> http://askubuntu.com/questions/603101/gps-unvailable-on-aquaris-e45
[21:57] <Matlib> i seem to be not the only one having problems with GPS on this thing
[22:01] <mcphail> Aargh - I see the _actual_ app is a subproject of libqtelegram
[22:02] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Yes, sorry, I could have told you
[22:02] <mcphail> SturmFlut: np - I should have checked the store source URL first
[22:06] <SturmFlut> Looks like ~200ms are spent just to establish the connection to Mir
[22:07] <mcphail> SturmFlut: just looking at the SDL2 demo from your template: that still takes > 2 secs to start and that doesn't use qmlscene at all
[22:09] <SturmFlut> mcphail: You got that working? It's supposed to be broken
[22:09] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Try Neverball from the app store, that one uses SDL and starts quite fast
[22:09] <mcphail> SturmFlut: we got that working weeks ago :)
[22:10] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Oh! Nobody told me!
[22:10] <mcphail> yes - neverball is v fast
[22:10] <mcphail> SturmFlut: try my fork on github
[22:10] <mcphail> SturmFlut: lots of dots :)
[22:13] <mcphail> SturmFlut: http://themcphails.uk/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template.sturmflut_0.4_armhf.click
[22:14] <SturmFlut> I never noticed the fork
[22:19] <mcphail> SturmFlut: I might get a chance to tweak the template a bit further, now I understand how to load libs etc without having to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Can do away with the launch script altogether
[22:19] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Yeah, that was on my list, the bash script is not needed at all
[22:21] <mcphail> I'd like to know how Neverball runs so well, with rapid loading and correct orientation etc. Not sure the version in the store uses the exact same source as github
[22:22] <mcphail> In saying that, my (broken) version of Baldur's gate launches quickly
[23:05] <Matlib> ok fellow hackers I'm out, got a few final remarks from the user's point of view, if anybody cares
[23:06] <Matlib> 1) setting phone security to slide also erases user's password, which is security issue
[23:06] <Matlib> i think the "nopasswdlogin" group was provided for that somehow never made it to the GUI
[23:06] <Matlib> 2) samba should be enabled by default
[23:07] <Matlib> 3) therefore the phone should ask for hostname and user's password, and preferably user's name when setting up
[23:07] <Matlib> 4) ringtones should be moved outside of /usr/share to make them customizable
[23:08] <Matlib> bye.