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| ochosi | bluesabre: i'm not sure that copyright notice isn't a tad too extensive. that'd also mean it'll be out of date until a release happens. maybe we can just refer to the git log with a more general note stating that those icons are either created by me or pasi and based on elementary, or are taken from elementary. | 09:23 |
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| ochosi | i know that the human theme made it that extensive, but look at the general stuff i use for elementary-xfce, documenting every icon-change there would be a huge maintenance effort and i'm not sure it'd really help anyone | 09:24 |
| bluesabre | just following suit with the other themes | 09:24 |
| Unit193 | In case you missed the link, Debian uses the light-locker patch now as well. | 09:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, saw that | 09:30 |
| ochosi | guess that's good for testing :) | 09:30 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i know, still, it feels like a huge effort | 09:31 |
| ochosi | maybe it's ok to do it once when i'm done with the theme | 09:31 |
| bluesabre | !team | meeting in 5 minutes | 09:55 |
| ubottu | meeting in 5 minutes: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 | 09:55 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: just getting my notes in order... the first milestone we're doing this cycle is... what again? :) | 09:57 |
| ochosi | b1 | 09:58 |
| bluesabre | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 10:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Jun 22 10:00:28 2015 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 10:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | !team | time to go :) | 10:00 |
| ubottu | time to go :): bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | who's here? | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | #chair ochosi | 10:00 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi | 10:00 |
| ochosi | o/ | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | I'll give folks a few minutes to roll out of bed | 10:02 |
| ochosi | :) | 10:02 |
| Unit193 | Taze 'em. | 10:02 |
| ochosi | i thought tazing makes people faint? | 10:03 |
| dkessel | i am here | 10:03 |
| bluesabre | #chair Unit193 | 10:03 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi | 10:03 |
| bluesabre | :> | 10:04 |
| bluesabre | hey dkessel, Unit193, glad you guys could make it | 10:04 |
| bluesabre | alrighty, suppose we can get started | 10:05 |
| ochosi | sounds good to me | 10:05 |
| bluesabre | #topic Open Action Items | 10:05 |
| ochosi | not too many i guess | 10:05 |
| bluesabre | - knome to follow-up on the FAQ reboot on ML | 10:05 |
| bluesabre | - ochosi to follow up with team leads re blueprints as needed | 10:05 |
| bluesabre | news? | 10:06 |
| ochosi | i'll keep on following up with team leads, no news from me on this though | 10:06 |
| ochosi | (i actually wanted to follow up on -dev a bit, but we can do that in the discussion part) | 10:06 |
| bluesabre | cool | 10:06 |
| bluesabre | not sure we're making much headway with the FAQ reboot | 10:06 |
| ochosi | yeah | 10:06 |
| bluesabre | I'm happy to write articles! | 10:06 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:07 |
| bluesabre | welcome slickymasterWork | 10:07 |
| ochosi | hey slickymasterWork and welcome to the meeting ;) | 10:07 |
| bluesabre | #chair slickymasterWork | 10:07 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork | 10:07 |
| slickymasterWork | morning everyone | 10:07 |
| bluesabre | good timing too | 10:07 |
| slickymasterWork | sorru for being late | 10:07 |
| bluesabre | np | 10:08 |
| slickymasterWork | * sorry | 10:08 |
| slickymasterWork | had a flat tyre on the way to work :P | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | I schedule the worst times in the team | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:08 |
| slickymasterWork | lol | 10:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: actually we're quite many, so i'm not sure that's true | 10:08 |
| ochosi | let's move on? | 10:08 |
| Noskcaj | o/ | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | #topic Team Updates | 10:08 |
| ochosi | hey Noskcaj | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | heya Noskcaj | 10:08 |
| bluesabre | #chair Noskcaj | 10:09 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: Noskcaj Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork | 10:09 |
| slickymasterWork | hey Noskcaj | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | welcome to the party | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | Development progress is going slowly | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | #info feh added to live session to draw the installer desktop, still waiting on branch merge for ubiquity https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity/lp1437180_feh | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | #info work started on next version of Catfish (more UI goodies, plugin manager) | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | #info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has been added to pkg-xfce, and will make it to debian sometime soonish | 10:09 |
| ochosi | #info The libreoffice icon-set is closing in on its first release, we'll then try to get it into ubuntu as a separate package | 10:09 |
| bluesabre | #info test libreofice-style-elementary at https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily | 10:10 |
| Noskcaj | #info xfpm 1.5.2 in xubuntu-staging ppa, "launch xfpm" bug fixed | 10:10 |
| bluesabre | ooh nice | 10:10 |
| ochosi | yup, eric release .2 on the weekend (as planned) | 10:11 |
| ochosi | thanks for the quick packaging work Noskcaj | 10:11 |
| bluesabre | any other team updates? | 10:11 |
| bluesabre | always hard to get good representation from each team | 10:12 |
| ochosi | agreed | 10:12 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: any docs news? :) | 10:13 |
| bluesabre | #info knome added some nice graphics to http://xubuntu.org/ | 10:13 |
| qwebirc855185 | damn connection | 10:14 |
| bluesabre | it happens | 10:14 |
| bluesabre | my internet is garbage where I live now | 10:14 |
| bluesabre | any news for documentation qwebirc855185 ? | 10:14 |
| qwebirc855185 | like I was trying to say I'll start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l | 10:14 |
| ochosi | qwebirc855185: please #info it though ;) | 10:14 |
| qwebirc855185 | #info slickymaster will start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l | 10:15 |
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| bluesabre | good good | 10:15 |
| bluesabre | next up | 10:15 |
| bluesabre | #topic Announcements | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | #info The first milestone we're participating in this cycle is Beta 1 (August 27) | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | but... please be sure to be testing the daily images and reporting on any issues found | 10:16 |
| ochosi | #info While it has been announced already, let me formally repeat it here: elfy has retired from his QA team lead position and from the Xubuntu team as a whole. | 10:17 |
| slickymasterWork | are we planning on running any testing calls on the m/l, bluesabre? | 10:17 |
| slickymasterWork | ochosi ^^ | 10:17 |
| ochosi | i guess we should do that at least for the milestones we're participating in | 10:17 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: we had one shortly before elfy's retirement, that's the current call for testing | 10:17 |
| bluesabre | lemme dig up that mail | 10:17 |
| bluesabre | #info current testing status and information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-June/010798.html | 10:18 |
| slickymasterWork | yeah, but I was referring to reminder calls, as we're moving along the release cycle | 10:18 |
| bluesabre | nothing new at this time, but something closer to the milestones | 10:19 |
| ochosi | let's discuss that in the "discussion" part ;) | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | yes | 10:19 |
| slickymasterWork | oki doke~ | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | #info some (maybe) flavors will be doing the Alpha 1 milestone this week, just as a heads up | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | I think that might be it for current announcements | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | and nobody is stopping me | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | #topic Discussion | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Core as an image | 10:21 |
| bluesabre | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39 | 10:21 |
| ochosi | i read the log | 10:22 |
| ochosi | i personally would prefer a separate iso over offering minimal as an option in ubiquity | 10:22 |
| ochosi | or: offering -desktop in ubiquity | 10:22 |
| ochosi | cause it defeats the benefit of having a smaller download | 10:22 |
| ochosi | and downloading all the things for -desktop only when installing makes the installer very slow | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | yuuuuup | 10:23 |
| ochosi | also, downloading an iso can happen through torrents | 10:23 |
| bluesabre | I'd imagine Unit193 and others would agree in this instance | 10:23 |
| slickymasterWork | I do agree | 10:24 |
| ochosi | so "patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd" | 10:24 |
| ochosi | Unit193: can you work on that ^ ? | 10:24 |
| bluesabre | #nick xubuntu-dev | 10:24 |
| ochosi | if so, i think we could split up that xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint in multiple ones | 10:25 |
| bluesabre | #action xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd | 10:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd | 10:25 |
| bluesabre | Unit193 can claim that when he's around again | 10:25 |
| ochosi | from my pov we can reconsider the name, as infinity implied, but keeping it as ok as well | 10:25 |
| bluesabre | but that way we keep it on the radar | 10:26 |
| ochosi | since we've already announced it as -core i think it | 10:26 |
| ochosi | 's okayish | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | we existed before snappy :D | 10:26 |
| ochosi | yeah, that doesn't really help our case though | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | or at least before it was announced | 10:26 |
| dkessel | xubuntu-mini might still be less confusing | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 10:26 |
| slickymasterWork | besides, -core is way more self-explanatory | 10:27 |
| bluesabre | but mini iso already is a thing too | 10:27 |
| bluesabre | these are probably minor details though, with the larger task being the patches above | 10:28 |
| bluesabre | so, ready to move on to the next discussion? | 10:28 |
| ochosi | yup | 10:28 |
| slickymasterWork | yeaps | 10:28 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Status and plans for the QA subteam | 10:28 |
| dkessel | i put this item in the agenda because i was worried that except for the testing calls, nothing much might happen without elfy, because other team members have enough work for themselves already | 10:28 |
| bluesabre | dkessel: thanks, it needed to be in the discussion for sure | 10:29 |
| ochosi | well, one aspect that might actually help is that we switched away from following test-cases | 10:29 |
| ochosi | that took a lot of discipline and was an extra effort for team members | 10:29 |
| ochosi | i'll likely be using wily soon on a sort of daily basis, so there'll be no problem with doing the drive-by testing | 10:30 |
| ochosi | but yeah, having a leader for the QA subteam is important | 10:30 |
| ochosi | personally i'd appreciate it if we could find an interim lead for the rest of the cycle | 10:30 |
| dkessel | i think doing the item for getting results for the automated image testing will be a good preparation for the next lts | 10:30 |
| slickymasterWork | yes | 10:31 |
| dkessel | or automated package testing even... | 10:31 |
| slickymasterWork | you were working on that item dkessel, if memory serves me correctly | 10:31 |
| dkessel | no | 10:31 |
| slickymasterWork | hmm | 10:31 |
| ochosi | dkessel: are there any work items you would want to take on? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-qa | 10:32 |
| dkessel | i think elfy talked to some canonical infrastructure stuff about the image testing | 10:32 |
| slickymasterWork | sorry then, I was under the impression that you were | 10:32 |
| bluesabre | this sounds like a good effort, especially now | 10:33 |
| * ochosi quickly has to run out | 10:34 | |
| bluesabre | ochosi: coming back? | 10:34 |
| bluesabre | or how soon do you need to run? | 10:34 |
| ochosi | i can be around a bit more | 10:34 |
| bluesabre | cool | 10:34 |
| ochosi | just announcing that | 10:34 |
| ochosi | so 5-10mins for me | 10:35 |
| bluesabre | I think we should take a look at the automated testing again | 10:35 |
| dkessel | arhg connection probs | 10:35 |
| bluesabre | and it sounds like we want to improve our automating reporting? | 10:35 |
| bluesabre | [knome] Work with the tracker developers to get out more meaningful data: TODO | 10:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, agreed, the question is who has time to do that? | 10:35 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: well, with no current qa lead, I think -dev probably needs to step in to some degree to leverage, and it might be a good idea to take this time prior to LTS to get automation off the ground | 10:37 |
| dkessel | i can try to contact somebody. not sure how this works then. there was talk about RT ickets or something, which i dont know about | 10:37 |
| ochosi | dkessel: would be great if you could start that! | 10:37 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 10:37 |
| ochosi | you can always ask bluesabre or me for help/advice | 10:38 |
| dkessel | okay | 10:38 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 10:38 |
| slickymasterWork | great dkessel, thanks for stepping up | 10:38 |
| bluesabre | #action dkessel to investigate automated image testing | 10:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: dkessel to investigate automated image testing | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | :) | 10:39 |
| ochosi | perfect, that way we can follow up at the next meeting | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | vague, but good | 10:39 |
| dkessel | :) | 10:39 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's a start ;) | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: we should probably schedule qa things for dev to announce in the meantime, but we can discuss this outside of the meeting later | 10:40 |
| ochosi | yeah | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | #action xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime | 10:41 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | er | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | #undo | 10:41 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: ACTION | 10:41 |
| bluesabre | #info xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | thats more of an info | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:42 |
| ochosi | indeed | 10:42 |
| ochosi | k, anything else, or can i run? :) | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | thats probably enough for that topic | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | #topic Schedule next meeting | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | #info knome to schedule next meeting | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | #endmeeting | 10:42 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 10:42:50 2015 UTC. | 10:42 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-06-22-10.00.moin.txt | 10:42 |
| ochosi | perfect, thanks bluesabre | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | we're done here folks! | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:42 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 10:42 |
| bluesabre | thanks for coming by | 10:43 |
| ochosi | same same | 10:43 |
| dkessel | thanks bluesabre , excellent meeting time btw ;) | 10:43 |
| slickymasterWork | thanks bluesabre | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | :) | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | thanks! | 10:43 |
| bluesabre | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings updated | 10:56 |
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| dkessel | mhh is there a way for any of you to see open RT tickets for "us"? balloons writes there should be a ticket for the automated image testing infrastructure stuff... | 19:13 |
| dkessel | i don't have any number / exact reference to it though yet... | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | you can log in to rt.ubuntu.com with your ubuntu SSO and search | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | sometimes they're made private and I can't find them, but usually some digging finds things | 19:15 |
| dkessel | okay | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | oh, hello bot | 19:17 |
| dkessel | oops. bad SwissBot :) | 19:17 |
| drc | no swiss biscuit! | 19:17 |
| knome | hey people | 20:33 |
| bluesabre | hey all | 22:27 |
| knome | hello sean | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | hey pasi | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | wb | 22:28 |
| knome | thanks ;) | 22:28 |
| ochosi | evening all | 22:31 |
| knome | hey simon | 22:31 |
| * ochosi didn't know it was realname-night | 22:32 | |
| ochosi | hello sean and pasi (and everyone else) | 22:32 |
| knome | me neither until i started it :P | 22:32 |
| ochosi | i see | 22:33 |
| knome | you know, life and circumstances | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:33 |
| * knome tries to be even a bit more ambiguous and cryptic next time | 22:34 | |
| bluesabre | here comes the fi xubuntu-dev localization | 22:35 |
| knome | hah | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:35 |
| drc | fi? huh, I never saw the if.... | 22:36 |
| ochosi | btw, are any of you running wily on a sort of daily basis yet? | 22:36 |
| knome | nope | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | not yet | 22:36 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether to start off with a vm | 22:37 |
| ochosi | or a real install | 22:37 |
| ochosi | but if none of you was brave enough... | 22:37 |
| ochosi | ;) | 22:37 |
| knome | heh | 22:37 |
| knome | well, wily is likely very broken still | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:37 |
| ochosi | right | 22:37 |
| ochosi | in that case i'll do vm | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | I'm waiting a bit longer | 22:38 |
| knome | pre-alpha stage and all | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | I know that at the end of next month windows will screw up my boot loader | 22:38 |
| ochosi | from what i read gtk3.16 has landed | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | oh good | 22:38 |
| ochosi | that would be my main interest | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | plenty of gtk3.16 bugs for you to look at | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | that I never reported... :( | 22:38 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:38 |
| ochosi | thought so ;) | 22:39 |
| ochosi | that's why i felt i need to check it out myself | 22:39 |
| ochosi | well, ultimately i have to anyway... | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | open mousepad and a sizeable text file to get started | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 22:39 |
| knome | bluesabre, boo | 22:41 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:41 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i presume you won't be starting with the gtk3 port of xfce4-settings anytime soon? | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | yeah, thats probably the case | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | its a large "app" | 22:43 |
| ochosi | heh, yeah... | 22:55 |
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