=== sidi is now known as Guest51001 === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === sidi is now known as Guest47548 [09:23] bluesabre: i'm not sure that copyright notice isn't a tad too extensive. that'd also mean it'll be out of date until a release happens. maybe we can just refer to the git log with a more general note stating that those icons are either created by me or pasi and based on elementary, or are taken from elementary. [09:24] i know that the human theme made it that extensive, but look at the general stuff i use for elementary-xfce, documenting every icon-change there would be a huge maintenance effort and i'm not sure it'd really help anyone [09:24] just following suit with the other themes [09:27] In case you missed the link, Debian uses the light-locker patch now as well. [09:30] yeah, saw that [09:30] guess that's good for testing :) [09:31] bluesabre: i know, still, it feels like a huge effort [09:31] maybe it's ok to do it once when i'm done with the theme [09:55] !team | meeting in 5 minutes [09:55] meeting in 5 minutes: bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [09:57] ochosi: just getting my notes in order... the first milestone we're doing this cycle is... what again? :) [09:58] b1 [10:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [10:00] Meeting started Mon Jun 22 10:00:28 2015 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [10:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [10:00] !team | time to go :) [10:00] time to go :): bluesabre, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [10:00] who's here? [10:00] #chair ochosi [10:00] Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi [10:00] o/ [10:02] I'll give folks a few minutes to roll out of bed [10:02] :) [10:02] Taze 'em. [10:03] i thought tazing makes people faint? [10:03] i am here [10:03] #chair Unit193 [10:03] Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi [10:04] :> [10:04] hey dkessel, Unit193, glad you guys could make it [10:05] alrighty, suppose we can get started [10:05] sounds good to me [10:05] #topic Open Action Items [10:05] not too many i guess [10:05] - knome to follow-up on the FAQ reboot on ML [10:05] - ochosi to follow up with team leads re blueprints as needed [10:06] news? [10:06] i'll keep on following up with team leads, no news from me on this though [10:06] (i actually wanted to follow up on -dev a bit, but we can do that in the discussion part) [10:06] cool [10:06] not sure we're making much headway with the FAQ reboot [10:06] yeah [10:06] I'm happy to write articles! [10:07] :D [10:07] welcome slickymasterWork [10:07] hey slickymasterWork and welcome to the meeting ;) [10:07] #chair slickymasterWork [10:07] Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork [10:07] morning everyone [10:07] good timing too [10:07] sorru for being late [10:08] np [10:08] * sorry [10:08] had a flat tyre on the way to work :P [10:08] I schedule the worst times in the team [10:08] :D [10:08] lol [10:08] bluesabre: actually we're quite many, so i'm not sure that's true [10:08] let's move on? [10:08] o/ [10:08] #topic Team Updates [10:08] hey Noskcaj [10:08] heya Noskcaj [10:09] #chair Noskcaj [10:09] Current chairs: Noskcaj Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork [10:09] hey Noskcaj [10:09] welcome to the party [10:09] Development progress is going slowly [10:09] #info feh added to live session to draw the installer desktop, still waiting on branch merge for ubiquity https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity/lp1437180_feh [10:09] #info work started on next version of Catfish (more UI goodies, plugin manager) [10:09] #info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has been added to pkg-xfce, and will make it to debian sometime soonish [10:09] #info The libreoffice icon-set is closing in on its first release, we'll then try to get it into ubuntu as a separate package [10:10] #info test libreofice-style-elementary at https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily [10:10] #info xfpm 1.5.2 in xubuntu-staging ppa, "launch xfpm" bug fixed [10:10] ooh nice [10:11] yup, eric release .2 on the weekend (as planned) [10:11] thanks for the quick packaging work Noskcaj [10:11] any other team updates? [10:12] always hard to get good representation from each team [10:12] agreed [10:13] slickymasterWork: any docs news? :) [10:13] #info knome added some nice graphics to http://xubuntu.org/ [10:14] damn connection [10:14] it happens [10:14] my internet is garbage where I live now [10:14] any news for documentation qwebirc855185 ? [10:14] like I was trying to say I'll start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l [10:14] qwebirc855185: please #info it though ;) [10:15] #info slickymaster will start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l === qwebirc855185 is now known as slickymasterWork [10:15] good good [10:15] next up [10:16] #topic Announcements [10:16] #info The first milestone we're participating in this cycle is Beta 1 (August 27) [10:16] but... please be sure to be testing the daily images and reporting on any issues found [10:17] #info While it has been announced already, let me formally repeat it here: elfy has retired from his QA team lead position and from the Xubuntu team as a whole. [10:17] are we planning on running any testing calls on the m/l, bluesabre? [10:17] ochosi ^^ [10:17] i guess we should do that at least for the milestones we're participating in [10:17] slickymasterWork: we had one shortly before elfy's retirement, that's the current call for testing [10:17] lemme dig up that mail [10:18] #info current testing status and information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-June/010798.html [10:18] yeah, but I was referring to reminder calls, as we're moving along the release cycle [10:19] nothing new at this time, but something closer to the milestones [10:19] let's discuss that in the "discussion" part ;) [10:19] yes [10:19] oki doke~ [10:20] #info some (maybe) flavors will be doing the Alpha 1 milestone this week, just as a heads up [10:20] I think that might be it for current announcements [10:21] and nobody is stopping me [10:21] :D [10:21] #topic Discussion [10:21] #subtopic Core as an image [10:21] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39 [10:22] i read the log [10:22] i personally would prefer a separate iso over offering minimal as an option in ubiquity [10:22] or: offering -desktop in ubiquity [10:22] cause it defeats the benefit of having a smaller download [10:23] and downloading all the things for -desktop only when installing makes the installer very slow [10:23] yuuuuup [10:23] also, downloading an iso can happen through torrents [10:23] I'd imagine Unit193 and others would agree in this instance [10:24] I do agree [10:24] so "patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd" [10:24] Unit193: can you work on that ^ ? [10:24] #nick xubuntu-dev [10:25] if so, i think we could split up that xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint in multiple ones [10:25] #action xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd [10:25] ACTION: xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd [10:25] Unit193 can claim that when he's around again [10:25] from my pov we can reconsider the name, as infinity implied, but keeping it as ok as well [10:26] but that way we keep it on the radar [10:26] since we've already announced it as -core i think it [10:26] 's okayish [10:26] yeah [10:26] we existed before snappy :D [10:26] yeah, that doesn't really help our case though [10:26] or at least before it was announced [10:26] xubuntu-mini might still be less confusing [10:26] yeah [10:27] besides, -core is way more self-explanatory [10:27] but mini iso already is a thing too [10:28] these are probably minor details though, with the larger task being the patches above [10:28] so, ready to move on to the next discussion? [10:28] yup [10:28] yeaps [10:28] #subtopic Status and plans for the QA subteam [10:28] i put this item in the agenda because i was worried that except for the testing calls, nothing much might happen without elfy, because other team members have enough work for themselves already [10:29] dkessel: thanks, it needed to be in the discussion for sure [10:29] well, one aspect that might actually help is that we switched away from following test-cases [10:29] that took a lot of discipline and was an extra effort for team members [10:30] i'll likely be using wily soon on a sort of daily basis, so there'll be no problem with doing the drive-by testing [10:30] but yeah, having a leader for the QA subteam is important [10:30] personally i'd appreciate it if we could find an interim lead for the rest of the cycle [10:30] i think doing the item for getting results for the automated image testing will be a good preparation for the next lts [10:31] yes [10:31] or automated package testing even... [10:31] you were working on that item dkessel, if memory serves me correctly [10:31] no [10:31] hmm [10:32] dkessel: are there any work items you would want to take on? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-qa [10:32] i think elfy talked to some canonical infrastructure stuff about the image testing [10:32] sorry then, I was under the impression that you were [10:33] this sounds like a good effort, especially now [10:34] * ochosi quickly has to run out [10:34] ochosi: coming back? [10:34] or how soon do you need to run? [10:34] i can be around a bit more [10:34] cool [10:34] just announcing that [10:35] so 5-10mins for me [10:35] I think we should take a look at the automated testing again [10:35] arhg connection probs [10:35] and it sounds like we want to improve our automating reporting? [10:35] [knome] Work with the tracker developers to get out more meaningful data: TODO [10:35] bluesabre: yeah, agreed, the question is who has time to do that? [10:37] ochosi: well, with no current qa lead, I think -dev probably needs to step in to some degree to leverage, and it might be a good idea to take this time prior to LTS to get automation off the ground [10:37] i can try to contact somebody. not sure how this works then. there was talk about RT ickets or something, which i dont know about [10:37] dkessel: would be great if you could start that! [10:37] +1 [10:38] you can always ask bluesabre or me for help/advice [10:38] okay [10:38] awesome [10:38] great dkessel, thanks for stepping up [10:39] #action dkessel to investigate automated image testing [10:39] ACTION: dkessel to investigate automated image testing [10:39] :) [10:39] perfect, that way we can follow up at the next meeting [10:39] vague, but good [10:39] :) [10:39] yeah, it's a start ;) [10:40] ochosi: we should probably schedule qa things for dev to announce in the meantime, but we can discuss this outside of the meeting later [10:40] yeah [10:41] #action xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime [10:41] ACTION: xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime [10:41] er [10:41] #undo [10:41] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [10:42] #info xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime [10:42] thats more of an info [10:42] :D [10:42] indeed [10:42] k, anything else, or can i run? :) [10:42] thats probably enough for that topic [10:42] #topic Schedule next meeting [10:42] #info knome to schedule next meeting [10:42] #endmeeting [10:42] Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 10:42:50 2015 UTC. [10:42] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-06-22-10.00.moin.txt [10:42] perfect, thanks bluesabre [10:42] we're done here folks! [10:42] :D [10:42] bbiab [10:43] thanks for coming by [10:43] same same [10:43] thanks bluesabre , excellent meeting time btw ;) [10:43] thanks bluesabre [10:43] :) [10:43] thanks! [10:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings updated === sidi is now known as Guest53135 === sidi_ is now known as Guest55217 === sidi is now known as Guest78284 === sidi_ is now known as Guest57893 === sidi is now known as Guest22933 === sidi_ is now known as Guest73040 === sidi-valencia is now known as 5EXABILBW === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 === knome_ is now known as knome [19:13] mhh is there a way for any of you to see open RT tickets for "us"? balloons writes there should be a ticket for the automated image testing infrastructure stuff... [19:13] i don't have any number / exact reference to it though yet... [19:14] you can log in to rt.ubuntu.com with your ubuntu SSO and search [19:15] sometimes they're made private and I can't find them, but usually some digging finds things [19:17] okay [19:17] oh, hello bot [19:17] oops. bad SwissBot :) [19:17] no swiss biscuit! [20:33] hey people [22:27] hey all [22:28] hello sean [22:28] hey pasi [22:28] wb [22:28] thanks ;) [22:31] evening all [22:31] hey simon [22:32] * ochosi didn't know it was realname-night [22:32] hello sean and pasi (and everyone else) [22:32] me neither until i started it :P [22:33] i see [22:33] you know, life and circumstances [22:33] :D [22:34] * knome tries to be even a bit more ambiguous and cryptic next time [22:35] here comes the fi xubuntu-dev localization [22:35] hah [22:35] :D [22:36] fi? huh, I never saw the if.... [22:36] btw, are any of you running wily on a sort of daily basis yet? [22:36] nope [22:36] not yet [22:37] i'm wondering whether to start off with a vm [22:37] or a real install [22:37] but if none of you was brave enough... [22:37] ;) [22:37] heh [22:37] well, wily is likely very broken still [22:37] yeah [22:37] right [22:38] in that case i'll do vm [22:38] I'm waiting a bit longer [22:38] pre-alpha stage and all [22:38] I know that at the end of next month windows will screw up my boot loader [22:38] from what i read gtk3.16 has landed [22:38] oh good [22:38] that would be my main interest [22:38] plenty of gtk3.16 bugs for you to look at [22:38] that I never reported... :( [22:38] yeah [22:39] thought so ;) [22:39] that's why i felt i need to check it out myself [22:39] well, ultimately i have to anyway... [22:39] yeah [22:39] open mousepad and a sizeable text file to get started [22:39] ;) [22:41] bluesabre, boo [22:41] :) [22:42] bluesabre: i presume you won't be starting with the gtk3 port of xfce4-settings anytime soon? [22:42] yeah, thats probably the case [22:43] its a large "app" [22:55] heh, yeah...