[09:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'm not sure that copyright notice isn't a tad too extensive. that'd also mean it'll be out of date until a release happens. maybe we can just refer to the git log with a more general note stating that those icons are either created by me or pasi and based on elementary, or are taken from elementary.
[09:24] <ochosi> i know that the human theme made it that extensive, but look at the general stuff i use for elementary-xfce, documenting every icon-change there would be a huge maintenance effort and i'm not sure it'd really help anyone
[09:24] <bluesabre> just following suit with the other themes
[09:27] <Unit193> In case you missed the link, Debian uses the light-locker patch now as well.
[09:30] <ochosi> yeah, saw that
[09:30] <ochosi> guess that's good for testing :)
[09:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: i know, still, it feels like a huge effort
[09:31] <ochosi> maybe it's ok to do it once when i'm done with the theme
[09:55] <bluesabre> !team | meeting in 5 minutes
[09:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: just getting my notes in order... the first milestone we're doing this cycle is... what again? :)
[09:58] <ochosi> b1
[10:00] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[10:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jun 22 10:00:28 2015 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[10:00] <bluesabre> !team | time to go :)
[10:00] <bluesabre> who's here?
[10:00] <bluesabre> #chair ochosi
[10:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre ochosi
[10:00] <ochosi> o/
[10:02] <bluesabre> I'll give folks a few minutes to roll out of bed
[10:02] <ochosi> :)
[10:02] <Unit193> Taze 'em.
[10:03] <ochosi> i thought tazing makes people faint?
[10:03] <dkessel> i am here
[10:03] <bluesabre> #chair Unit193
[10:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi
[10:04] <bluesabre> :>
[10:04] <bluesabre> hey dkessel, Unit193, glad you guys could make it
[10:05] <bluesabre> alrighty, suppose we can get started
[10:05] <ochosi> sounds good to me
[10:05] <bluesabre> #topic Open Action Items
[10:05] <ochosi> not too many i guess
[10:05] <bluesabre> - knome to follow-up on the FAQ reboot on ML
[10:05] <bluesabre> - ochosi to follow up with team leads re blueprints as needed
[10:06] <bluesabre> news?
[10:06] <ochosi> i'll keep on following up with team leads, no news from me on this though
[10:06] <ochosi> (i actually wanted to follow up on -dev a bit, but we can do that in the discussion part)
[10:06] <bluesabre> cool
[10:06] <bluesabre> not sure we're making much headway with the FAQ reboot
[10:06] <ochosi> yeah
[10:06] <bluesabre> I'm happy to write articles!
[10:07] <bluesabre> :D
[10:07] <bluesabre> welcome slickymasterWork
[10:07] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork and welcome to the meeting ;)
[10:07] <bluesabre> #chair slickymasterWork
[10:07] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork
[10:07] <slickymasterWork> morning everyone
[10:07] <bluesabre> good timing too
[10:07] <slickymasterWork> sorru for being late
[10:08] <bluesabre> np
[10:08] <slickymasterWork> * sorry
[10:08] <slickymasterWork> had a flat tyre on the way to work :P
[10:08] <bluesabre> I schedule the worst times in the team
[10:08] <bluesabre> :D
[10:08] <slickymasterWork> lol
[10:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: actually we're quite many, so i'm not sure that's true
[10:08] <ochosi> let's move on?
[10:08] <Noskcaj> o/
[10:08] <bluesabre> #topic Team Updates
[10:08] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[10:08] <bluesabre> heya Noskcaj
[10:09] <bluesabre> #chair Noskcaj
[10:09] <meetingology> Current chairs: Noskcaj Unit193 bluesabre ochosi slickymasterWork
[10:09] <slickymasterWork> hey Noskcaj 
[10:09] <bluesabre> welcome to the party
[10:09] <bluesabre> Development progress is going slowly
[10:09] <bluesabre> #info feh added to live session to draw the installer desktop, still waiting on branch merge for ubiquity https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity/lp1437180_feh
[10:09] <bluesabre> #info work started on next version of Catfish (more UI goodies, plugin manager)
[10:09] <bluesabre> #info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin has been added to pkg-xfce, and will make it to debian sometime soonish
[10:09] <ochosi> #info The libreoffice icon-set is closing in on its first release, we'll then try to get it into ubuntu as a separate package
[10:10] <bluesabre> #info test libreofice-style-elementary at https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[10:10] <Noskcaj> #info xfpm 1.5.2 in xubuntu-staging ppa, "launch xfpm" bug fixed
[10:10] <bluesabre> ooh nice
[10:11] <ochosi> yup, eric release .2 on the weekend (as planned)
[10:11] <ochosi> thanks for the quick packaging work Noskcaj 
[10:11] <bluesabre> any other team updates?
[10:12] <bluesabre> always hard to get good representation from each team
[10:12] <ochosi> agreed
[10:13] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: any docs news? :)
[10:13] <bluesabre> #info knome added some nice graphics to http://xubuntu.org/
[10:14] <qwebirc855185> damn connection
[10:14] <bluesabre> it happens
[10:14] <bluesabre> my internet is garbage where I live now
[10:14] <bluesabre> any news for documentation qwebirc855185 ?
[10:14] <qwebirc855185> like I was trying to say I'll start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l
[10:14] <ochosi> qwebirc855185: please #info it though ;)
[10:15] <qwebirc855185> #info slickymaster will start the calls for package translations this week, in the m/l
[10:15] <bluesabre> good good
[10:15] <bluesabre> next up
[10:16] <bluesabre> #topic Announcements
[10:16] <bluesabre> #info The first milestone we're participating in this cycle is Beta 1 (August 27)
[10:16] <bluesabre> but... please be sure to be testing the daily images and reporting on any issues found
[10:17] <ochosi> #info While it has been announced already, let me formally repeat it here: elfy has retired from his QA team lead position and from the Xubuntu team as a whole.
[10:17] <slickymasterWork> are we planning on running any testing calls on the m/l, bluesabre?
[10:17] <slickymasterWork> ochosi ^^
[10:17] <ochosi> i guess we should do that at least for the milestones we're participating in
[10:17] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: we had one shortly before elfy's retirement, that's the current call for testing
[10:17] <bluesabre> lemme dig up that mail
[10:18] <bluesabre> #info current testing status and information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-June/010798.html
[10:18] <slickymasterWork> yeah, but I was referring to reminder calls, as we're moving along the release cycle 
[10:19] <bluesabre> nothing new at this time, but something closer to the milestones
[10:19] <ochosi> let's discuss that in the "discussion" part ;)
[10:19] <bluesabre> yes
[10:19] <slickymasterWork> oki doke~
[10:20] <bluesabre> #info some (maybe) flavors will be doing the Alpha 1 milestone this week, just as a heads up
[10:20] <bluesabre> I think that might be it for current announcements
[10:21] <bluesabre> and nobody is stopping me
[10:21] <bluesabre> :D
[10:21] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[10:21] <bluesabre> #subtopic Core as an image
[10:21] <bluesabre> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:39
[10:22] <ochosi> i read the log
[10:22] <ochosi> i personally would prefer a separate iso over offering minimal as an option in ubiquity
[10:22] <ochosi> or: offering -desktop in ubiquity
[10:22] <ochosi> cause it defeats the benefit of having a smaller download
[10:23] <ochosi> and downloading all the things for -desktop only when installing makes the installer very slow
[10:23] <bluesabre> yuuuuup
[10:23] <ochosi> also, downloading an iso can happen through torrents
[10:23] <bluesabre> I'd imagine Unit193 and others would agree in this instance
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> I do agree 
[10:24] <ochosi> so "patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd"
[10:24] <ochosi> Unit193: can you work on that ^ ?
[10:24] <bluesabre> #nick xubuntu-dev
[10:25] <ochosi> if so, i think we could split up that xubuntu-core workitem on the blueprint in multiple ones
[10:25] <bluesabre> #action xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd
[10:25] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-dev to review requirements for xubuntu-core iso, investigating patches to livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage and debian-cd
[10:25] <bluesabre> Unit193 can claim that when he's around again
[10:25] <ochosi> from my pov we can reconsider the name, as infinity implied, but keeping it as ok as well
[10:26] <bluesabre> but that way we keep it on the radar
[10:26] <ochosi> since we've already announced it as -core i think it
[10:26] <ochosi> 's okayish
[10:26] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:26] <bluesabre> we existed before snappy :D
[10:26] <ochosi> yeah, that doesn't really help our case though
[10:26] <bluesabre> or at least before it was announced
[10:26] <dkessel> xubuntu-mini might still be less confusing
[10:26] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:27] <slickymasterWork> besides, -core is way more self-explanatory 
[10:27] <bluesabre> but mini iso already is a thing too
[10:28] <bluesabre> these are probably minor details though, with the larger task being the patches above
[10:28] <bluesabre> so, ready to move on to the next discussion?
[10:28] <ochosi> yup
[10:28] <slickymasterWork> yeaps
[10:28] <bluesabre> #subtopic Status and plans for the QA subteam
[10:28] <dkessel> i put this item in the agenda because i was worried that except for the testing calls, nothing much might happen without elfy, because other team members have enough work for themselves already
[10:29] <bluesabre> dkessel: thanks, it needed to be in the discussion for sure
[10:29] <ochosi> well, one aspect that might actually help is that we switched away from following test-cases
[10:29] <ochosi> that took a lot of discipline and was an extra effort for team members
[10:30] <ochosi> i'll likely be using wily soon on a sort of daily basis, so there'll be no problem with doing the drive-by testing
[10:30] <ochosi> but yeah, having a leader for the QA subteam is important
[10:30] <ochosi> personally i'd appreciate it if we could find an interim lead for the rest of the cycle
[10:30] <dkessel> i think doing the item for getting results for the automated image testing will be a good preparation for the next lts
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> yes
[10:31] <dkessel> or automated package testing even...
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> you were working on that item dkessel, if memory serves me correctly 
[10:31] <dkessel> no
[10:31] <slickymasterWork> hmm
[10:32] <ochosi> dkessel: are there any work items you would want to take on? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-w-qa
[10:32] <dkessel> i think elfy talked to some canonical infrastructure stuff about the image testing
[10:32] <slickymasterWork> sorry then, I was under the impression that you were
[10:33] <bluesabre> this sounds like a good effort, especially now
[10:34]  * ochosi quickly has to run out
[10:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: coming back?
[10:34] <bluesabre> or how soon do you need to run?
[10:34] <ochosi> i can be around a bit more
[10:34] <bluesabre> cool
[10:34] <ochosi> just announcing that
[10:35] <ochosi> so 5-10mins for me
[10:35] <bluesabre> I think we should take a look at the automated testing again
[10:35] <dkessel> arhg connection probs
[10:35] <bluesabre> and it sounds like we want to improve our automating reporting?
[10:35] <bluesabre> [knome] Work with the tracker developers to get out more meaningful data: TODO
[10:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, agreed, the question is who has time to do that?
[10:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: well, with no current qa lead, I think -dev probably needs to step in to some degree to leverage, and it might be a good idea to take this time prior to LTS to get automation off the ground
[10:37] <dkessel> i can try to contact somebody. not sure how this works then. there was talk about RT ickets or something, which i dont know about
[10:37] <ochosi> dkessel: would be great if you could start that!
[10:37] <bluesabre> +1
[10:38] <ochosi> you can always ask bluesabre or me for help/advice
[10:38] <dkessel> okay
[10:38] <bluesabre> awesome
[10:38] <slickymasterWork> great dkessel, thanks for stepping up
[10:39] <bluesabre> #action dkessel to investigate automated image testing
[10:39] <meetingology> ACTION: dkessel to investigate automated image testing
[10:39] <bluesabre> :)
[10:39] <ochosi> perfect, that way we can follow up at the next meeting
[10:39] <bluesabre> vague, but good
[10:39] <dkessel> :)
[10:39] <ochosi> yeah, it's a start ;)
[10:40] <bluesabre> ochosi: we should probably schedule qa things for dev to announce in the meantime, but we can discuss this outside of the meeting later
[10:40] <ochosi> yeah
[10:41] <bluesabre> #action xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime
[10:41] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime
[10:41] <bluesabre> er
[10:41] <bluesabre> #undo
[10:41] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[10:42] <bluesabre> #info xubuntu-dev to help maintain xubuntu-qa in the meantime
[10:42] <bluesabre> thats more of an info
[10:42] <bluesabre> :D
[10:42] <ochosi> indeed
[10:42] <ochosi> k, anything else, or can i run? :)
[10:42] <bluesabre> thats probably enough for that topic
[10:42] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[10:42] <bluesabre> #info knome to schedule next meeting
[10:42] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[10:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jun 22 10:42:50 2015 UTC.  
[10:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-06-22-10.00.moin.txt
[10:42] <ochosi> perfect, thanks bluesabre 
[10:42] <bluesabre> we're done here folks!
[10:42] <bluesabre> :D
[10:42] <ochosi> bbiab
[10:43] <bluesabre> thanks for coming by
[10:43] <ochosi> same same
[10:43] <dkessel> thanks  bluesabre , excellent meeting time btw ;)
[10:43] <slickymasterWork> thanks bluesabre 
[10:43] <bluesabre> :)
[10:43] <bluesabre> thanks!
[10:56] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings updated
[19:13] <dkessel> mhh is there a way for any of you to see open RT tickets for "us"? balloons writes there should be a ticket for the automated image testing infrastructure stuff...
[19:13] <dkessel> i don't have any number / exact reference to it though yet...
[19:14] <pleia2> you can log in to rt.ubuntu.com with your ubuntu SSO and search
[19:15] <pleia2> sometimes they're made private and I can't find them, but usually some digging finds things
[19:17] <dkessel> okay
[19:17] <pleia2> oh, hello bot
[19:17] <dkessel> oops. bad SwissBot :)
[19:17] <drc> no swiss biscuit!
[20:33] <knome> hey people
[22:27] <bluesabre> hey all
[22:28] <knome> hello sean
[22:28] <bluesabre> hey pasi
[22:28] <bluesabre> wb
[22:28] <knome> thanks ;)
[22:31] <ochosi> evening all
[22:31] <knome> hey simon
[22:32]  * ochosi didn't know it was realname-night
[22:32] <ochosi> hello sean and pasi (and everyone else)
[22:32] <knome> me neither until i started it :P
[22:33] <ochosi> i see
[22:33] <knome> you know, life and circumstances
[22:33] <bluesabre> :D
[22:34]  * knome tries to be even a bit more ambiguous and cryptic next time
[22:35] <bluesabre> here comes the fi xubuntu-dev localization
[22:35] <knome> hah
[22:35] <bluesabre> :D
[22:36] <drc> fi?  huh, I never saw the if....
[22:36] <ochosi> btw, are any of you running wily on a sort of daily basis yet?
[22:36] <knome> nope
[22:36] <bluesabre> not yet
[22:37] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether to start off with a vm
[22:37] <ochosi> or a real install
[22:37] <ochosi> but if none of you was brave enough...
[22:37] <ochosi> ;)
[22:37] <knome> heh
[22:37] <knome> well, wily is likely very broken still
[22:37] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:37] <ochosi> right
[22:38] <ochosi> in that case i'll do vm
[22:38] <bluesabre> I'm waiting a bit longer
[22:38] <knome> pre-alpha stage and all
[22:38] <bluesabre> I know that at the end of next month windows will screw up my boot loader
[22:38] <ochosi> from what i read gtk3.16 has landed
[22:38] <bluesabre> oh good
[22:38] <ochosi> that would be my main interest
[22:38] <bluesabre> plenty of gtk3.16 bugs for you to look at
[22:38] <bluesabre> that I never reported... :(
[22:38] <ochosi> yeah
[22:39] <ochosi> thought so ;)
[22:39] <ochosi> that's why i felt i need to check it out myself
[22:39] <ochosi> well, ultimately i have to anyway...
[22:39] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:39] <bluesabre> open mousepad and a sizeable text file to get started
[22:39] <bluesabre> ;)
[22:41] <knome> bluesabre, boo
[22:41] <ochosi> :)
[22:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: i presume you won't be starting with the gtk3 port of xfce4-settings anytime soon?
[22:42] <bluesabre> yeah, thats probably the case
[22:43] <bluesabre> its a large "app"
[22:55] <ochosi> heh, yeah...