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| rmarcelino | Hello everyone | 20:20 |
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| rmarcelino | I could use a bit of assistance please. | 20:21 |
| rmarcelino | I am the IT manager for 3 school campuses.. and would like to use Ubuntu in our computer labs | 20:21 |
| ahoneybun | highvoltage: around? | 20:21 |
| rmarcelino | Edubuntu to be exact | 20:22 |
| rmarcelino | I think they are off honey | 20:22 |
| rmarcelino | =) | 20:22 |
| ahoneybun | yea timezones | 20:22 |
| rmarcelino | no worries | 20:22 |
| rmarcelino | I appreciate you helping me out | 20:23 |
| ahoneybun | of course | 20:23 |
| rmarcelino | From what I gather Edubuntu is very similar to the Ubuntu.... | 20:23 |
| ahoneybun | it is based on it | 20:23 |
| rmarcelino | I just need help getting things so the kids cant mess with anything they are not supposed to | 20:23 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:24 |
| rmarcelino | We already have a content filter in place for web etc... | 20:24 |
| ahoneybun | by default they will need the password to install things anyway | 20:24 |
| rmarcelino | yes and thats a good thing | 20:24 |
| rmarcelino | how do you make sure they cant make any systems or prefernce changes | 20:25 |
| ahoneybun | you can change the password so it is root so they can login and such but need the root password to do any changes | 20:25 |
| ahoneybun | I'm looking now | 20:25 |
| rmarcelino | yeah I have an admin account setup and a separate student account | 20:25 |
| ahoneybun | http://askubuntu.com/questions/51073/locking-down-systems-in-a-computer-lab-school-for-orphans | 20:25 |
| ahoneybun | bit old but worth a shot | 20:26 |
| rmarcelino | nice! | 20:26 |
| rmarcelino | reading it now | 20:26 |
| ahoneybun | ACL is setting getting updates | 20:26 |
| rmarcelino | I love our kids... but they seem to find ways around security | 20:27 |
| ahoneybun | I know the feeling lol | 20:28 |
| rmarcelino | is there a way to not allow running programs from a USB stick? we are having issues with them using ultrasurf to get to pornography | 20:28 |
| ahoneybun | I got around the blocker once | 20:28 |
| ahoneybun | damn man that is hardcore | 20:28 |
| ahoneybun | I mean you can just run things from usb on Linux | 20:29 |
| rmarcelino | yep I am thinking a couple students have ultra surf on a key drive and using that to get to things they should not | 20:29 |
| ahoneybun | other then a script | 20:29 |
| ahoneybun | that is a exe file | 20:29 |
| ahoneybun | so it will not run on Linux lol | 20:29 |
| ahoneybun | there will always be proxy servers | 20:30 |
| rmarcelino | lol yes I knew that! | 20:30 |
| ahoneybun | can't block them all | 20:30 |
| ahoneybun | I once got pass the block by using the IP address of the website | 20:30 |
| ahoneybun | not the DNS one | 20:31 |
| rmarcelino | one of the reasons I want to move to a linux image... it prevents most of the abuses | 20:31 |
| ahoneybun | ye | 20:31 |
| rmarcelino | heh I have to explain a bit | 20:31 |
| rmarcelino | this is not a typical campus | 20:31 |
| ahoneybun | I mean they could ssh to a server and use it as a tunnel | 20:31 |
| ahoneybun | but just turn off the ssh port lol | 20:31 |
| ahoneybun | I can tell | 20:31 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 20:31 |
| rmarcelino | When protective services takes a kids from an unsafe situation, they come to live on our campus | 20:32 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 20:32 |
| rmarcelino | or when a kid has a choice to go to jail or come here | 20:32 |
| rmarcelino | we have alot of unhappy kids here that dont want to be | 20:32 |
| ahoneybun | Orphans? | 20:32 |
| rmarcelino | some... | 20:32 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 20:32 |
| rmarcelino | sadly | 20:32 |
| ahoneybun | it is | 20:32 |
| rmarcelino | so they will try to contact people on the outside to coordinate escapes | 20:32 |
| rmarcelino | or they go out of the way to wreck things for other people | 20:33 |
| ahoneybun | damn sounds like they think it is a prison | 20:33 |
| rmarcelino | I am sure they feel like that | 20:33 |
| ahoneybun | I have no doubt it is better then what it really is out there | 20:33 |
| rmarcelino | the school itself and the teachers here are great, they just have a hard job | 20:33 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:33 |
| rmarcelino | so I want to make sure the kids have the tools they need to study and be successful, but I have to make sure they can't mess with the computers | 20:34 |
| rmarcelino | because they will set everything to black so you cant see the screen | 20:34 |
| rmarcelino | or bright red/yellow to make it hard to look at | 20:34 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:34 |
| rmarcelino | stuff like that | 20:34 |
| rmarcelino | if memory serves me, its possible to set linux up to prevent that kind of behavior | 20:35 |
| rmarcelino | That and most of these kids are not familiar with linux so it will be harder for them to mess it up | 20:35 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 20:36 |
| rmarcelino | heh you laught =) | 20:36 |
| rmarcelino | laugh even | 20:36 |
| ahoneybun | they learn from messing things up | 20:36 |
| rmarcelino | but I have to pit my meager IT skills against 350 teenage boys desire to find porn | 20:36 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:37 |
| rmarcelino | My biggest challenge to be honest is getting the time to get things setup properly | 20:37 |
| ahoneybun | are you in florida? | 20:37 |
| rmarcelino | Arizona actually | 20:37 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 20:37 |
| rmarcelino | Why I am here asking for ideas and help | 20:38 |
| ahoneybun | how did you end up in the Florida room then? | 20:38 |
| rmarcelino | no idea... | 20:38 |
| ahoneybun | werid lol | 20:38 |
| ahoneybun | *weird | 20:38 |
| rmarcelino | but it worked out well though! | 20:38 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:39 |
| ahoneybun | XD | 20:39 |
| rmarcelino | So really, the base install of the edubuntu should do most of what I need then?? | 20:39 |
| rmarcelino | except the memory stick issue | 20:39 |
| ahoneybun | I mean unless they start writing scripts | 20:40 |
| rmarcelino | just setup a non-admin student account and they wont be able to install anything | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun | but if the libs and bins are not installed to run the scripts they are usless | 20:40 |
| rmarcelino | is there a way to lock down screen and desktop settings? | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun | they will not be able to without the root/admin password | 20:40 |
| rmarcelino | OK | 20:41 |
| ahoneybun | btw for what you want to do, always stick to the LTS | 20:41 |
| rmarcelino | Thanks for the help... | 20:41 |
| ahoneybun | long term support | 20:41 |
| ahoneybun | I'm still looking around as well | 20:42 |
| rmarcelino | OK | 20:42 |
| rmarcelino | LTS thats the stable versions right? | 20:42 |
| rmarcelino | not the nightlies | 20:42 |
| ahoneybun | well everyone is marked as stable | 20:42 |
| ahoneybun | LTS get 5 years of support | 20:43 |
| ahoneybun | the other ones get 9 months | 20:43 |
| rmarcelino | ahh | 20:43 |
| ahoneybun | with a new version every 6 months | 20:43 |
| rmarcelino | I am trying to see what I still need to learn to support this | 20:44 |
| rmarcelino | so I need something relatively easy to implement for now... | 20:44 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:44 |
| ahoneybun | I know I saw another Ubuntu distro aimed for Students | 20:44 |
| rmarcelino | I am also the person that does all the network, server, desktop support and programming also | 20:45 |
| ahoneybun | wow | 20:45 |
| rmarcelino | so brain is pretty fried =) | 20:45 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 20:45 |
| rmarcelino | heh | 20:45 |
| rmarcelino | its all good though | 20:45 |
| rmarcelino | I used to know linux and I like it alot | 20:45 |
| rmarcelino | the new versions are incredibly polished compared to what I used to know | 20:46 |
| ahoneybun | Yep | 20:46 |
| rmarcelino | I remember trying to setup xwindows and having to specify how far over to draw the screen | 20:46 |
| ahoneybun | damn | 20:46 |
| rmarcelino | ah well am reminiscing now | 20:46 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 20:48 |
| rmarcelino | gonna get back to fixing my vmware server now *sigh* | 20:48 |
| rmarcelino | Thanks again for the advice | 20:48 |
| ahoneybun | np again | 20:48 |
| rmarcelino | May pop into the florida room sometime and say hi again! | 20:48 |
| ahoneybun | I'll be around to hey back lo | 20:49 |
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