[00:02]  * valorie heard a rumor that sgclark is giving a talk
[00:02] <sgclark> I will be talking about my sok project
[00:02] <valorie> what about, Scarlett?
[00:02] <valorie> NICE
[00:02] <sgclark> the KDE CI
[00:03] <sgclark> hopefully I will not pass out in fear
[00:03] <valorie> oops, it's past 5,  I need to make a salad for dinner
[00:03] <valorie> sgclark: I'll bring rum?
[00:03] <valorie> passing out *in fear* is no good.....
[00:03] <valorie> :-)
[00:04] <sgclark> lol yeah booze tends to braven me up
[00:04] <sgclark> ugh only 150 more packages to go
[00:04] <ScottK> What would you possibly be afraid of?
[00:04] <ScottK> KDE is very friendly.
[00:04] <sgclark> I am very shy :)
[00:04] <Riddell> sgclark: have you given conference talks before?
[00:05] <sgclark> no
[00:05] <mparillo> sgclark: Useful public speaking tips: http://www.jokeemail.com/preacher/preacher15.htm
[00:05] <sgclark> I did pass out in speech class a couple decades ago
[00:05] <Riddell> sgclark: one of the great things about free software is it gives me a chance to improve my skills in areas like giving talks
[00:05] <valorie> !
[00:05] <valorie> def. bringing rum then
[00:05] <Riddell> sgclark: what day is it on?
[00:06] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I actually want to do this, and this is only the student section which was empty last year, good place to practice
[00:06] <sgclark> hmm
[00:06] <sgclark> good question
[00:08] <sgclark> Riddell: no clue, but it is on the weekend during all the big talks, but during lunch break or something
[00:08] <sgclark> the room was sparce last year
[00:08] <sgclark> which I am totally ok with!
[00:10] <Riddell> can't see it on the schedule, maybe it's during the week, seaLne do you know when sok talks are?
[00:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do we really need libhybris as a bdep
[00:14] <shadeslayer> for kwin
[00:16] <Riddell> umm dunno what does git blame say?
[00:16] <Riddell> I assume I added it for a reason
[00:16] <shadeslayer>     Build-dep on libhybris and add kwin-hwcomposer-backend package
[00:16] <shadeslayer> you added it mate :)
[00:17] <Riddell> yes now I remember, it's for the hybris and hwcompositor backend
[00:17] <Riddell> what's the problem?
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Debian doesn't have libhybris
[00:17] <shadeslayer> and I doubt it will
[00:17] <Riddell> sucks to be debian
[00:17] <Riddell> remove it in debian branch then
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Probably because it's not dfsg compatible or whatever
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which is the same as the Kubuntu branch :P
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which is why I asked, is kwin-hwcomposer being used anywhere
[00:18] <shadeslayer> or did you add it just because cmake was complaining
[00:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm, moment
[00:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Why do you doubt that Debian will have it?
[00:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes it's being used
[00:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: right, ok
[00:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I thought it wasn't dfsg compliant or something
[00:25] <Riddell> I would expect hybris is dfsg free, I've not checked but I believe android is free software they just don't develop it openly and only do a code dump occationally
[00:26] <ScottK> A quick read through debian/copyright says it's free.
[00:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but master should be different from kubuntu_archive_foo as far as branches go
[00:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: DCI uses kubuntu_unstable
[00:26] <ScottK> It's also in Ubuntu Main, so modulo a screw up, is should be OK for Debian main too.
[00:26] <shadeslayer> since that's what we use to iterate
[00:27] <shadeslayer> mmm, depends on the android-headers package
[00:27] <shadeslayer> not in debian too ofcourse
[00:27] <shadeslayer> hurray
[00:27] <ScottK> That means it might be complicated to get there, but I don't see any fundamental barrier.
[00:27] <shadeslayer> okay
[00:30] <shadeslayer> <- talking out of his ass clearly
[00:34]  * valorie turns on the fan
[01:05] <[Relic]> shadeslayer, practicing for a future in politics?
[01:05] <shadeslayer> [Relic]: ??
[01:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[01:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[01:07] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://www.hipchat.com/downloads#linux-install
[01:10] <sgclark> ok my packaging is thwarted by a bug, time for me to call it, have a good night everyone.
[01:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: night
[02:20] <seaLne> Riddell sgclark: gsoc/sok is saturday after lunch, 1500
[02:20] <seaLne> sgclark: speak to nightrose about it if she hasn't approached you
[06:14] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: so that's IRC?
[06:57] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: Riddell: ping
[06:57] <shadeslayer> whats up
[06:58]  * shadeslayer is tired
[06:59] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: ??
[06:59] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: writing :D
[06:59] <shadeslayer> oh xD
[06:59] <shadeslayer> So not a quick thing to do xD
[07:01] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: what's kubuntu's policy for backporting bugfixes to vivid packages given that there's ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports with the new versions of stuff, do you actually backport something at all?
[07:01] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: bug fixes for official vivid archives have to go through SRU procedures, however, we have MRE's for certain things
[07:02] <shadeslayer> ( MRE = Minor Release Exception )
[07:02] <shadeslayer> ( Which means we can upload whole sets of KDE SC packages and stuff as long as they're bug fix only )
[07:02] <tsdgeos> i see
[07:02] <tsdgeos> i was saying because having http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=gwenview.git&a=commitdiff&h=94d4453ee8fdefb182e4730b0417e42ed56c3fb2&hp=4dc18b994558cbc88d8f1a701247ece3868682a8 for gwenview would be really a win
[07:03] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: on non-kde related stuff, i have a one liner patch for the "fbi" package to make it not segfault, what's the correct way to get it to a release?
[07:03] <shadeslayer> !sru
[07:03] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: T
[07:03] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: ^ :P
[07:04] <tsdgeos> so i guess i just ask a debian folk and it'll hit ubuntu in a few years :D
[07:04] <shadeslayer> sure :P
[07:04] <shadeslayer> that's one way
[07:05] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: could you file a bug with the impact , and testing mechanism and the patch url on LP
[07:05] <shadeslayer> and toss it in here
[07:05] <tsdgeos> bug has been filed for like 3 years i think
[07:06] <tsdgeos> the patch isn't there
[07:06] <tsdgeos> but i guess noone cares about the package :D
[07:06] <tsdgeos> since "doesn't work at all" is quite a serious bug
[07:06] <shadeslayer> toss the link in here plz
[07:06] <tsdgeos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fbi/+bug/1450949
[07:07] <tsdgeos> it's hilarious is categorized as medium :D
[07:08] <shadeslayer> Bug #1450949 reported by Heineken on 2015-05-02
[07:08] <shadeslayer> not 3 years?
[07:08] <shadeslayer> idk
[07:08] <shadeslayer> unless it's 2018
[07:09] <shadeslayer> in which case, what the heck happened
[07:09] <tsdgeos> it is man! what rock have you been sleeping under!
[07:09] <tsdgeos> :D
[07:09] <shadeslayer> idk man, I just went for a walk
[07:09] <shadeslayer> and it's 2018
[07:09] <shadeslayer> time moves slowly in America
[07:09] <shadeslayer> it is after all UTC -8
[07:10] <tsdgeos> otoh i was checking this yesterday and i'm severely jet lagged
[07:11] <tsdgeos> so i'll accept the 3 years may have been my tired brain
[07:11] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: not sure what to say about fbi, I'd poke someone on #ubuntu-devel perhaps
[07:11] <shadeslayer> maybe someone has expertise with the package
[07:12] <shadeslayer> if not, then poke me with the patcheroo on Friday :P
[07:12] <shadeslayer> wait no don't 
[07:12] <shadeslayer> it's in main
[07:12] <shadeslayer> I don't have permissions for main
[07:12] <shadeslayer> not elite enough
[07:15] <tsdgeos> :/
[07:15] <tsdgeos> ok, thanks
[07:15] <shadeslayer> yw
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:29] <soee> hiho lordievader
[08:36] <sick_rimmit> hello friends
[08:36] <sick_rimmit> Good morning to you
[08:37] <lordievader> Hey soee 
[08:46] <soee> hiho sick_rimmit
[08:53] <sick_rimmit> soee: Hi there
[09:14] <sick_rimmit> Totally off topic, just looking for suggestions you folks may have come across
[09:15] <sick_rimmit> I am looking for a Documentation system ( Like phpDocumentor ) that can generate APi documentation, and can be automated with Jenkins.. 
[09:16] <sick_rimmit> Anyone know of anything like that, that I should take a look at ?
[09:25] <soee> sick_rimmit: check http://fabien.potencier.org/sami-yet-another-php-api-documentation-generator.html
[09:25] <soee> https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/Sami
[09:27] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: for what langauge?
[09:27] <soee> also: http://www.apigen.org/
[09:28] <sick_rimmit> Bless you soee Thanks 
[09:30] <soee> Wily alpha1 this thursday ?
[09:32] <lordievader> Already?
[09:40] <soee> looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[09:41] <lordievader> Cool :)
[09:42] <Riddell> testing welcomed
[09:43] <soee> testing all the time @home on my laptop
[09:43] <soee> since 2-3 weeks there is a problem with ksysguard upgrade :)
[09:43] <soee> it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[09:43] <soee> -.-
[09:46] <soee> but i it feels liek whoel system works a bit faster and smoother compared to vivid
[10:10] <mparillo_> For wily, a bug to confirm (please): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151
[10:11] <mparillo_> And the upgrade to Wily stalls for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:45] <Riddell> waa kstars last one left to let kf5 in
[15:22] <santa_> Riddell: in case you forgot about them I have a couple of simple things awaiting to be merged from siduction
[15:24] <santa_> (plasma-workspace + khelpcenter)
[15:24] <santa_> the former fixes a launchpad bug
[15:25] <Riddell> ok give me a sec
[15:58] <Riddell> santa_: khelpcenter applied and uploaded, bluedevil was already applied but I'm not uploading cos ubuntu is stuck on bluez4
[16:04] <Riddell> santa_: sorry I'm not in the most responsive mood
[16:07] <santa_> no prob
[16:08] <santa_> the other one was plasma-workspace, not bluedevil
[16:09] <santa_> thank you very much for merging btw :)
[18:05] <clivejo> anyone having issues with powerdevil in wily?
[18:12] <sgclark> I have heard complaints. I am not on wily so I can't research.
[18:13] <clivejo> how could I research?
[18:14] <clivejo> Energy Saving part of the System Settings is greyed out. Saying that the Power Management Service is not running
[18:15] <clivejo> when I start it in Background services, it says unable to start server powerdevil
[18:17] <clivejo> nothing in pm-powersave.log
[18:20] <sgclark> clivejo: sounds like this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powerdevil/+bug/1464924 add what you can and add yourself as affected.
[18:41] <clivejo> when I debuild and there are files in debian/tmp does this mean these file havent been put into a package correctly?
[18:41] <sgclark> no, that is where it goes first and then copied at install time
[18:46] <clivejo> so icons and HTML etc go into -common ?
[18:46] <clivejo> executables and libs go into the main package to be built on each arch?
[18:48] <clivejo> how on earth did it build two days ago and not it wont!
[18:50] <sgclark> -data for stuff that is sharable like icons and stuff I think, libs is in package matching lib name and executables -bin. I think , verify with Riddell of course.
[18:50] <sgclark> changes?
[18:51] <clivejo> the original is skrooge and skrooge-common
[18:51] <sgclark> okies, I have not worked with -common, someone else will need to step in here.
[18:51] <clivejo> Im trying to package skrooge2.0.0
[18:51] <sgclark> cool :)
[18:52] <clivejo> not cool!
[18:52] <Riddell> -common is just another name for -data
[18:52] <sgclark> not cool ?
[18:52] <clivejo> cant get my head around it
[18:52] <sgclark> there ya go
[18:52] <clivejo> what is the standard?
[18:52] <Riddell> skrooge has no -bin that's only used for library packages usually
[18:52] <sgclark> I use -data ..
[18:53] <Riddell> clivejo: the standard is to follow whatever Debian do
[18:53] <sgclark> or that
[18:53] <clivejo> and that is?
[18:53] <Riddell> else it all becomes far to hard to maintain
[18:53] <Riddell> in the case of skrooge it's as you say, skrooge-common for /usr/share files and skrooge for everything else
[18:54] <clivejo> what about arch dependant files?
[18:55] <sgclark> so yeah existing packages I leave as they already are. Anyway, stepping out, do what Riddell says!
[18:55] <Riddell> clivejo: into "skrooge"
[18:55] <santa_> arch any -> skrooge; arch all -> skrooge-common
[18:55] <clivejo> I mean in the .install file
[18:56] <santa_> yes
[18:56] <clivejo> surely that depends on arch?
[18:56] <clivejo> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/grantlee ?
[18:56] <santa_> skrooge
[18:56] <Riddell> replace the x86_64-linux-gnu with a * in the .install file
[18:56] <Riddell> then it'll work on other arches too
[18:56] <santa_> yeah
[18:56] <clivejo> so /usr/lib/*/plugins/grantlee
[18:57] <Riddell> yep
[18:57] <clivejo> ah, that makes sense
[18:57] <clivejo> boy you are clever!
[18:58] <Riddell> ach packaging is easy, the programming is harder
[19:00] <sgclark> well it gets easy. It does not start out that way..
[19:01] <clivejo> strange filename - libskgbasemodeler.so.2.0.0
[19:02] <clivejo> is that right?
[19:03] <Riddell> yep
[19:03] <sgclark> if that is what upstrream named it then yes
[19:04] <clivejo> how do I copy it all like -r
[19:04] <clivejo> usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48
[19:04] <Riddell> library for skrooge base model, so version 2.0.0 I guess
[19:04] <Riddell> if you put a directory in the .install file that'll copy everything
[19:04] <clivejo> ie 16x16, 64x64
[19:04] <clivejo> so just usr/share/icons/hicolor
[19:04] <Riddell> usually for libraries you want to put usr/lib/libskgbasemodeler.so.2* which will get the file and symlink but not get the developer link
[19:04] <sgclark> usr/share/*
[19:05] <Riddell> some packages like to list every single file which is a pain when doing a new version but means mistakes don't creap in
[19:05] <Riddell> some just do usr/share and be done with it
[19:05] <Riddell> as usual, best to copy what the existing packaging does
[19:06] <clivejo> does usr/share not contain binaries?
[19:08] <clivejo> whats usr/share/kxmlgui5/skrooge_report/skrooge_report.rc ?
[19:08] <clivejo> just a data file?
[19:08] <clivejo> or usr/share/knotifications5/skrooge.notifyrc
[19:10] <Riddell> have a look
[19:10] <Riddell> they'll be text files
[19:10] <clivejo> XML?
[19:10] <Riddell> .ini format probably
[19:10] <Riddell> usr/share only has data files by various long standing standards
[19:11] <clivejo> so usr/share/* will catch all the data files and bung them into *-common
[19:31] <Riddell> clivejo: doesn't even need that asterisk
[19:33] <clivejo> pbuilder is complaining about http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kwallet-kf5/libkf5wallet-dev_5.10.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb not existing
[19:35] <clivejo> does apt-get update not get called automatically?
[19:38] <clivejo> I guess not!
[19:48] <Riddell> clivejo: nope you need to run that manually
[19:48] <clivejo> found that out myself :P
[19:49] <clivejo> its building :)#
[19:51] <clivejo> very slowly
[19:51] <clivejo> does pbuild have a multi-thread option?
[19:52] <Riddell> annoyingly faffy
[19:52] <Riddell> pbuilder-dist wily build --debbuildopts "-J4" foo.dsc
[19:52] <Riddell> I think
[19:52] <Riddell> where 4 is the number of cpus
[19:54] <clivejo> does anyone use skrooge?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I tried
[19:56] <clivejo> tried?
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I can't figure about how to import my accounts
[19:56] <ahoneybun> bank wise
[19:56] <clivejo> oh
[19:57] <ahoneybun> I still have it installed though
[19:57] <Riddell> nope but I use calligra which needs an update if you want another challenge after this :)
[19:58] <clivejo> uploading to PPA now
[19:58]  * ahoneybun trys out Calligra
[19:58] <clivejo> so fingers crossed it builds on LP
[19:59] <ahoneybun> *tries
[20:00] <clivejo> Calligra 2.9.5?
[20:00] <clivejo> is it ported to KF5?
[20:01] <clivejo> oh, skrooge is delayed for 59mins, is that normal?
[20:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell: calligra words says it uses odt by default but then it tried to save in Palm OS database lol
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: it can be, launchpad gets busy sometimes
[20:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun: there's no opendocument standard for databases
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: yes 2.9.5, no they're still working on kf5 so it's just some new files I guess
[20:09] <Riddell> clivejo: but beware, it's a beast, it takes ages to compile
[20:09] <ahoneybun> idk then
[20:20] <clivejo> I must have been bumped up, 9mins into the compile
[20:21] <clivejo> 47% 
[20:30] <clivejo> how long does it take after a build for *.deb files to be published?
[20:31] <sgclark> it is not a fixed time, dependsd on load, much like build
[20:35] <clivejo> eak 187M 
[20:35] <clivejo> this is a beast
[20:39] <soee> i see some updates on Wily, mix of Kf 5.10 and 5.11 ?
[20:39] <soee> ksysguard still broken
[20:42] <Riddell> soee: I upgraded kf 5.10 but some bits of 5.11 to fix compiles
[20:42] <Riddell> uploaded
[20:42] <soee> ah cool :)
[20:43] <soee> but i assume it wont solve ksysguard conflicts ?
[21:32] <clivejo> Riddell: Calligra is complaining about FindKDE4.cmake, any ideas?
[21:33] <clivejo> I have kdelibs5-dev
[21:33] <clivejo> and cmake-data
[21:39] <sgclark> clivejo: I think that is kde-workspace
[21:40] <clivejo> Im currently installing qt4-dev-tools see if that helps
[21:40] <clivejo> Ill try that next
[21:41] <Riddell> clivejo: install qt4-default
[21:41] <Riddell> that will change some qt tools from qt5 to qt4
[21:43] <clivejo> should I just hold off til calligra is ported to 5?
[21:44] <Riddell> clivejo: goodness no, that'll be another 6 months or year
[21:44] <clivejo> LOL
[21:45] <Riddell> they put in a lot of work to make this bugfix release, least we can do is package it
[21:45] <clivejo> well that seems to have fixed it 
[21:45] <clivejo> its building
[21:46] <clivejo> Ill have to open a window
[21:46] <clivejo> getting hot in here
[21:46] <clivejo> how long will this take to compile/build?
[21:47] <clivejo> oh and if Im trying to figure out where missing files go, can I run debuild without compling it all again
[21:51] <clivejo> skrooge isnt working :/  missing plugins / libraries
[21:59] <clivejo> oh digiKam 4.11 was released on Sunday
[22:15] <Riddell> clivejo: plenty for you to practice on :)
[22:15] <Riddell> clivejo: debuild -nc is the magic to redo it without compiling it all again
[22:15] <Riddell> "no clean"
[22:16] <Riddell> clivejo: but for testing the installed files  dh_install --list-missing  is the one command to run
[22:16] <Riddell> clivejo: calligra has so many .debs made out of it that working out which .install should get which file is seriously difficult
[22:16] <Riddell> you often need to resort to grepping cmakelists.txt files to work out where it came from
[22:17] <clivejo> do you think there is many file changes
[22:17] <clivejo> considering its a bug fix release?
[22:21] <sgclark> probably not
[22:22] <clivejo> do the programmers suggest the packages ?
[22:23] <Riddell> calligra always has more file changes than I expect
[22:23] <Riddell> clivejo: how do you mean?
[22:23] <Riddell> there's a README file in calligra which gives direction to packagers
[22:26] <clivejo> I must read it!
[22:59] <ahoneybun> what the
[22:59] <ahoneybun> you can't change the kwallet password?