[00:02] * valorie heard a rumor that sgclark is giving a talk [00:02] I will be talking about my sok project [00:02] what about, Scarlett? [00:02] NICE [00:02] the KDE CI [00:03] hopefully I will not pass out in fear [00:03] oops, it's past 5, I need to make a salad for dinner [00:03] sgclark: I'll bring rum? [00:03] passing out *in fear* is no good..... [00:03] :-) [00:04] lol yeah booze tends to braven me up [00:04] ugh only 150 more packages to go [00:04] What would you possibly be afraid of? [00:04] KDE is very friendly. [00:04] I am very shy :) [00:04] sgclark: have you given conference talks before? [00:05] no [00:05] sgclark: Useful public speaking tips: http://www.jokeemail.com/preacher/preacher15.htm [00:05] I did pass out in speech class a couple decades ago [00:05] sgclark: one of the great things about free software is it gives me a chance to improve my skills in areas like giving talks [00:05] ! [00:05] def. bringing rum then [00:05] sgclark: what day is it on? [00:06] Riddell: yeah I actually want to do this, and this is only the student section which was empty last year, good place to practice [00:06] hmm [00:06] good question [00:08] Riddell: no clue, but it is on the weekend during all the big talks, but during lunch break or something [00:08] the room was sparce last year [00:08] which I am totally ok with! [00:10] can't see it on the schedule, maybe it's during the week, seaLne do you know when sok talks are? [00:14] Riddell: do we really need libhybris as a bdep [00:14] for kwin [00:16] umm dunno what does git blame say? [00:16] I assume I added it for a reason [00:16] Build-dep on libhybris and add kwin-hwcomposer-backend package [00:16] you added it mate :) [00:17] yes now I remember, it's for the hybris and hwcompositor backend [00:17] what's the problem? [00:17] Riddell: Debian doesn't have libhybris [00:17] and I doubt it will [00:17] sucks to be debian [00:17] remove it in debian branch then [00:17] Probably because it's not dfsg compatible or whatever [00:18] Riddell: which is the same as the Kubuntu branch :P [00:18] Riddell: which is why I asked, is kwin-hwcomposer being used anywhere [00:18] or did you add it just because cmake was complaining [00:19] Riddell: hmm, moment [00:24] shadeslayer: Why do you doubt that Debian will have it? [00:24] shadeslayer: yes it's being used [00:25] Riddell: right, ok [00:25] ScottK: I thought it wasn't dfsg compliant or something [00:25] I would expect hybris is dfsg free, I've not checked but I believe android is free software they just don't develop it openly and only do a code dump occationally [00:26] A quick read through debian/copyright says it's free. [00:26] shadeslayer: but master should be different from kubuntu_archive_foo as far as branches go [00:26] Riddell: DCI uses kubuntu_unstable [00:26] It's also in Ubuntu Main, so modulo a screw up, is should be OK for Debian main too. [00:26] since that's what we use to iterate [00:27] mmm, depends on the android-headers package [00:27] not in debian too ofcourse [00:27] hurray [00:27] That means it might be complicated to get there, but I don't see any fundamental barrier. [00:27] okay [00:30] <- talking out of his ass clearly [00:34] * valorie turns on the fan [01:05] <[Relic]> shadeslayer, practicing for a future in politics? [01:05] [Relic]: ?? [01:06] ah [01:06] :P [01:07] ovidiu-florin: https://www.hipchat.com/downloads#linux-install [01:10] ok my packaging is thwarted by a bug, time for me to call it, have a good night everyone. [01:19] sgclark: night === Guest306 is now known as thelionroars [02:20] Riddell sgclark: gsoc/sok is saturday after lunch, 1500 [02:20] sgclark: speak to nightrose about it if she hasn't approached you === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [06:14] ahoneybun: so that's IRC? [06:57] shadeslayer: Riddell: ping [06:57] whats up [06:58] * shadeslayer is tired [06:59] tsdgeos: ?? [06:59] shadeslayer: writing :D [06:59] oh xD [06:59] So not a quick thing to do xD [07:01] shadeslayer: what's kubuntu's policy for backporting bugfixes to vivid packages given that there's ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports with the new versions of stuff, do you actually backport something at all? [07:01] tsdgeos: bug fixes for official vivid archives have to go through SRU procedures, however, we have MRE's for certain things [07:02] ( MRE = Minor Release Exception ) [07:02] ( Which means we can upload whole sets of KDE SC packages and stuff as long as they're bug fix only ) [07:02] i see [07:02] i was saying because having http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=gwenview.git&a=commitdiff&h=94d4453ee8fdefb182e4730b0417e42ed56c3fb2&hp=4dc18b994558cbc88d8f1a701247ece3868682a8 for gwenview would be really a win [07:03] shadeslayer: on non-kde related stuff, i have a one liner patch for the "fbi" package to make it not segfault, what's the correct way to get it to a release? [07:03] !sru [07:03] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [07:03] tsdgeos: T [07:03] tsdgeos: ^ :P [07:04] so i guess i just ask a debian folk and it'll hit ubuntu in a few years :D [07:04] sure :P [07:04] that's one way [07:05] tsdgeos: could you file a bug with the impact , and testing mechanism and the patch url on LP [07:05] and toss it in here [07:05] bug has been filed for like 3 years i think [07:06] the patch isn't there [07:06] but i guess noone cares about the package :D [07:06] since "doesn't work at all" is quite a serious bug [07:06] toss the link in here plz [07:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fbi/+bug/1450949 [07:06] Ubuntu bug 1450949 in geeqie (Ubuntu) "Wrong JPEG library version: library is 80, caller expects 62" [Medium,Confirmed] [07:07] it's hilarious is categorized as medium :D [07:08] Bug #1450949 reported by Heineken on 2015-05-02 [07:08] bug 1450949 in geeqie (Ubuntu) "Wrong JPEG library version: library is 80, caller expects 62" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450949 [07:08] not 3 years? [07:08] idk [07:08] unless it's 2018 [07:09] in which case, what the heck happened [07:09] it is man! what rock have you been sleeping under! [07:09] :D [07:09] idk man, I just went for a walk [07:09] and it's 2018 [07:09] time moves slowly in America [07:09] it is after all UTC -8 [07:10] otoh i was checking this yesterday and i'm severely jet lagged [07:11] so i'll accept the 3 years may have been my tired brain [07:11] tsdgeos: not sure what to say about fbi, I'd poke someone on #ubuntu-devel perhaps [07:11] maybe someone has expertise with the package [07:12] if not, then poke me with the patcheroo on Friday :P [07:12] wait no don't [07:12] it's in main [07:12] I don't have permissions for main [07:12] not elite enough [07:15] :/ [07:15] ok, thanks [07:15] yw === tazz_ is now known as tazz [08:22] Good morning. [08:29] hiho lordievader [08:36] hello friends [08:36] Good morning to you [08:37] Hey soee [08:46] hiho sick_rimmit === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [08:53] soee: Hi there === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [09:14] Totally off topic, just looking for suggestions you folks may have come across [09:15] I am looking for a Documentation system ( Like phpDocumentor ) that can generate APi documentation, and can be automated with Jenkins.. [09:16] Anyone know of anything like that, that I should take a look at ? [09:25] sick_rimmit: check http://fabien.potencier.org/sami-yet-another-php-api-documentation-generator.html [09:25] https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/Sami [09:27] sick_rimmit: for what langauge? [09:27] also: http://www.apigen.org/ [09:28] Bless you soee Thanks [09:30] Wily alpha1 this thursday ? [09:32] Already? [09:40] looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule [09:41] Cool :) [09:42] testing welcomed [09:43] testing all the time @home on my laptop [09:43] since 2-3 weeks there is a problem with ksysguard upgrade :) [09:43] it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop [09:43] -.- === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 [09:46] but i it feels liek whoel system works a bit faster and smoother compared to vivid === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest80292 === Guest80292 is now known as Tm_Tr [10:10] For wily, a bug to confirm (please): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151 [10:10] KDE bug 349151 in general "Spell-Check No longer working" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:11] And the upgrade to Wily stalls for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330 [10:11] Ubuntu bug 1464330 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Release Upgrade Stalls on Kubuntu Upgrade to Wily" [Undecided,Confirmed] === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [10:31] Hey folks === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [14:45] waa kstars last one left to let kf5 in [15:22] Riddell: in case you forgot about them I have a couple of simple things awaiting to be merged from siduction [15:24] (plasma-workspace + khelpcenter) [15:24] the former fixes a launchpad bug [15:25] ok give me a sec === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [15:58] santa_: khelpcenter applied and uploaded, bluedevil was already applied but I'm not uploading cos ubuntu is stuck on bluez4 === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [16:04] santa_: sorry I'm not in the most responsive mood [16:07] no prob [16:08] the other one was plasma-workspace, not bluedevil [16:09] thank you very much for merging btw :) [18:05] anyone having issues with powerdevil in wily? === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [18:12] I have heard complaints. I am not on wily so I can't research. [18:13] how could I research? [18:14] Energy Saving part of the System Settings is greyed out. Saying that the Power Management Service is not running [18:15] when I start it in Background services, it says unable to start server powerdevil [18:17] nothing in pm-powersave.log [18:20] clivejo: sounds like this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powerdevil/+bug/1464924 add what you can and add yourself as affected. [18:20] Ubuntu bug 1464924 in powerdevil (Ubuntu) "kubuntu: after dist-upgrade powerdevil unable to launch" [Undecided,New] [18:41] when I debuild and there are files in debian/tmp does this mean these file havent been put into a package correctly? [18:41] no, that is where it goes first and then copied at install time [18:46] so icons and HTML etc go into -common ? [18:46] executables and libs go into the main package to be built on each arch? [18:48] how on earth did it build two days ago and not it wont! [18:50] -data for stuff that is sharable like icons and stuff I think, libs is in package matching lib name and executables -bin. I think , verify with Riddell of course. [18:50] changes? [18:51] the original is skrooge and skrooge-common [18:51] okies, I have not worked with -common, someone else will need to step in here. [18:51] Im trying to package skrooge2.0.0 [18:51] cool :) [18:52] not cool! [18:52] -common is just another name for -data [18:52] not cool ? [18:52] cant get my head around it [18:52] there ya go [18:52] what is the standard? [18:52] skrooge has no -bin that's only used for library packages usually [18:52] I use -data .. [18:53] clivejo: the standard is to follow whatever Debian do [18:53] or that [18:53] and that is? [18:53] else it all becomes far to hard to maintain [18:53] in the case of skrooge it's as you say, skrooge-common for /usr/share files and skrooge for everything else [18:54] what about arch dependant files? [18:55] so yeah existing packages I leave as they already are. Anyway, stepping out, do what Riddell says! [18:55] clivejo: into "skrooge" [18:55] arch any -> skrooge; arch all -> skrooge-common [18:55] I mean in the .install file [18:56] yes [18:56] surely that depends on arch? [18:56] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/grantlee ? [18:56] skrooge [18:56] replace the x86_64-linux-gnu with a * in the .install file [18:56] then it'll work on other arches too [18:56] yeah [18:56] so /usr/lib/*/plugins/grantlee [18:57] yep [18:57] ah, that makes sense [18:57] boy you are clever! [18:58] ach packaging is easy, the programming is harder [19:00] well it gets easy. It does not start out that way.. [19:01] strange filename - libskgbasemodeler.so.2.0.0 [19:02] is that right? [19:03] yep [19:03] if that is what upstrream named it then yes [19:04] how do I copy it all like -r [19:04] usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48 [19:04] library for skrooge base model, so version 2.0.0 I guess [19:04] if you put a directory in the .install file that'll copy everything [19:04] ie 16x16, 64x64 [19:04] so just usr/share/icons/hicolor [19:04] usually for libraries you want to put usr/lib/libskgbasemodeler.so.2* which will get the file and symlink but not get the developer link [19:04] usr/share/* [19:05] some packages like to list every single file which is a pain when doing a new version but means mistakes don't creap in [19:05] some just do usr/share and be done with it [19:05] as usual, best to copy what the existing packaging does [19:06] does usr/share not contain binaries? [19:08] whats usr/share/kxmlgui5/skrooge_report/skrooge_report.rc ? [19:08] just a data file? [19:08] or usr/share/knotifications5/skrooge.notifyrc [19:10] have a look [19:10] they'll be text files [19:10] XML? [19:10] .ini format probably [19:10] usr/share only has data files by various long standing standards [19:11] so usr/share/* will catch all the data files and bung them into *-common [19:31] clivejo: doesn't even need that asterisk [19:33] pbuilder is complaining about http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kwallet-kf5/libkf5wallet-dev_5.10.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb not existing [19:35] does apt-get update not get called automatically? [19:38] I guess not! [19:48] clivejo: nope you need to run that manually [19:48] found that out myself :P [19:49] its building :)# [19:51] very slowly [19:51] does pbuild have a multi-thread option? [19:52] annoyingly faffy [19:52] pbuilder-dist wily build --debbuildopts "-J4" foo.dsc [19:52] I think [19:52] where 4 is the number of cpus [19:54] does anyone use skrooge? [19:56] I tried [19:56] tried? [19:56] I can't figure about how to import my accounts [19:56] bank wise [19:56] oh [19:57] I still have it installed though [19:57] nope but I use calligra which needs an update if you want another challenge after this :) [19:58] uploading to PPA now [19:58] * ahoneybun trys out Calligra [19:58] so fingers crossed it builds on LP [19:59] *tries [20:00] Calligra 2.9.5? [20:00] is it ported to KF5? [20:01] oh, skrooge is delayed for 59mins, is that normal? [20:08] Riddell: calligra words says it uses odt by default but then it tried to save in Palm OS database lol [20:09] clivejo: it can be, launchpad gets busy sometimes [20:09] ahoneybun: there's no opendocument standard for databases [20:09] clivejo: yes 2.9.5, no they're still working on kf5 so it's just some new files I guess [20:09] clivejo: but beware, it's a beast, it takes ages to compile [20:09] idk then [20:20] I must have been bumped up, 9mins into the compile [20:21] 47% [20:30] how long does it take after a build for *.deb files to be published? [20:31] it is not a fixed time, dependsd on load, much like build [20:35] eak 187M [20:35] this is a beast [20:39] i see some updates on Wily, mix of Kf 5.10 and 5.11 ? [20:39] ksysguard still broken [20:42] soee: I upgraded kf 5.10 but some bits of 5.11 to fix compiles [20:42] uploaded [20:42] ah cool :) [20:43] but i assume it wont solve ksysguard conflicts ? [21:32] Riddell: Calligra is complaining about FindKDE4.cmake, any ideas? [21:33] I have kdelibs5-dev [21:33] and cmake-data [21:39] clivejo: I think that is kde-workspace [21:40] Im currently installing qt4-dev-tools see if that helps [21:40] Ill try that next [21:41] clivejo: install qt4-default [21:41] that will change some qt tools from qt5 to qt4 [21:43] should I just hold off til calligra is ported to 5? [21:44] clivejo: goodness no, that'll be another 6 months or year [21:44] LOL [21:45] they put in a lot of work to make this bugfix release, least we can do is package it [21:45] well that seems to have fixed it [21:45] its building [21:46] Ill have to open a window [21:46] getting hot in here [21:46] how long will this take to compile/build? [21:47] oh and if Im trying to figure out where missing files go, can I run debuild without compling it all again [21:51] skrooge isnt working :/ missing plugins / libraries [21:59] oh digiKam 4.11 was released on Sunday [22:15] clivejo: plenty for you to practice on :) [22:15] clivejo: debuild -nc is the magic to redo it without compiling it all again [22:15] "no clean" [22:16] clivejo: but for testing the installed files dh_install --list-missing is the one command to run [22:16] clivejo: calligra has so many .debs made out of it that working out which .install should get which file is seriously difficult [22:16] you often need to resort to grepping cmakelists.txt files to work out where it came from [22:17] do you think there is many file changes [22:17] considering its a bug fix release? [22:21] probably not [22:22] do the programmers suggest the packages ? [22:23] calligra always has more file changes than I expect [22:23] clivejo: how do you mean? [22:23] there's a README file in calligra which gives direction to packagers [22:26] I must read it! [22:59] what the [22:59] you can't change the kwallet password?