| sergiusens | slangasek: seb128 sudo ubuntu-device-flash personal rolling --channel edge --output img.img | 00:09 |
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| slangasek | sergiusens: ok | 00:35 |
| Odd_Bloke | Is there a specific place that we should look for/put snappy logs? | 00:36 |
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| fgimenez | good morning | 07:04 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:08 |
| seb128 | good morning snappy world | 07:25 |
| ogra_ | *snap* *snap* | 07:31 |
| seb128 | slangasek, did you figure out more about that grub issue? | 07:41 |
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| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Let It Go Day! 😃 | 09:05 |
| ogra_ | pfft ... go ... | 09:05 |
| sergiusens | morning | 09:32 |
| Chipaca | sergiusens: mo'in | 09:50 |
| Chipaca | sergiusens: fighting some kind of a bug (in my self, not my code) | 09:50 |
| ogra_ | same here ... and a tooth issue ... | 09:50 |
| * Chipaca <- blah | 09:50 | |
| Chipaca | blahrgh* | 09:50 |
| Chipaca | ogra_: ow :( | 09:51 |
| * ogra_ will take the rest of the day off ... | 09:51 | |
| ogra_ | hoping it fixes itself, else i'll have to see a dentist tomorrow | 09:51 |
| Chipaca | >this< close to doing same, but i'll soldier on for a bit more | 09:51 |
| Chipaca | ogra_: take care | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | you too | 09:51 |
| Chipaca | i hate toothaches :( | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | well, the painkillers at least give me a fuzzy warm feeling | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | i just cant concentrate on serious stuff :( | 09:52 |
| * ogra_ is full of ibuprofen | 09:52 | |
| Chipaca | ogra_: time for tea and netflix \o/ | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | heh | 09:53 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: heh, I went to the dentist last evening | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | no netflix for me ... but perhaps a bit TV ... | 09:53 |
| sergiusens | Chipaca: did you try bug spray? | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | (netflix on a 2M line isnt really working) | 09:53 |
| sergiusens | Chipaca: I hear Nopol is quite good :P | 09:53 |
| Chipaca | sergiusens: :) | 09:53 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: popcorn time ;-) | 09:54 |
| Chipaca | sergiusens: testosterone keeps the nits away, for now | 09:54 |
| ogra_ | not with my bad tooth ! | 09:54 |
| ogra_ | :P | 09:54 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: although many things are illegal in germany http://thenextweb.com/media/2015/06/22/spanked-by-old-fashioned-laws/ | 09:54 |
| * sergiusens meant the popcorn time app ;-) | 09:54 | |
| ogra_ | lol | 09:54 |
| ogra_ | at least you are allowed to still read them when you like ... though who knows when that changes | 09:55 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: right, but that means you will need some sort of big brother system to enforce that for the good of knowing you aren't reading anything improper :-P | 09:57 |
| ogra_ | we'll just ask the NSA for that info | 09:57 |
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| elopio | good morning. | 14:05 |
| fgimenez | hey elopio | 14:06 |
| elopio | fgimenez: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/ubuntu-qa?authuser=0 | 14:08 |
| davmor2 | elopio: you need to lose the ubuntu-qa from dude seriously ;) | 14:09 |
| elopio | davmor2: everybody is invited. | 14:23 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, hey, any idea when you are going to do a goget-ubuntu-touch update in wily? (to include the personal code) | 14:30 |
| balloons | elopio, did you pin Monday as "the" date for open house? | 14:43 |
| sergiusens | seb128: let me do that now | 14:44 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, thanks | 14:44 |
| elopio | balloons: I'm asking about that. Either monday or tuesday. | 14:46 |
| sergiusens | elopio: we are doing a new release on Monday? | 14:47 |
| elopio | sergiusens: rsalveti said next week. If we want to release next week, we need an RC early on the week. | 14:47 |
| sergiusens | elopio: with what fixes? :-P | 14:47 |
| elopio | sergiusens: we have a small changelog indeed :) That makes it easier. I think what we want is to get a release cadence, even if the version has not changed much. | 14:48 |
| balloons | elopio, will you know by the end of today which date it is? So we can plan to meet tomorrow | 14:49 |
| balloons | ? | 14:49 |
| elopio | balloons: I hope so, but I think rsalveti is busy with sprint meetings. Lets meet tomorrow, and talk about a plan b in case we don't have an answer. | 14:50 |
| elopio | maybe we can do the first open house from rolling edge. | 14:50 |
| elopio | then we won't need an RC, and it's still a good experiment. | 14:51 |
| rsalveti | elopio: I should be able to provide an answer soon | 14:52 |
| rsalveti | the most tomorrow | 14:52 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: does that involve our conversation as well? | 14:52 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: yes | 14:52 |
| slangasek | seb128: no more progress to report yet | 14:53 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: great, I will hold off on that until then ;-) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | slangasek, hey, k, let me know if I can help | 14:53 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: sure :-) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I copied the grubx64.efi from my laptop and use configfile /efi/ubuntu/grub/grub.cfg on the grub prompt and then I can boot the image, so I'm unblocked for local testing at least | 14:54 |
| elopio | rsalveti: thanks. | 14:55 |
| cyphermox | seb128: hey, I want to look at your booting issue... in grub, could you please run 'echo $cmdpath', then 'echo $root' ? | 15:12 |
| balloons | elopio, ack. I'll get it scheduled | 15:17 |
| elopio | balloons: if possible, for 14:00 UTC so fgimenez can join us. | 15:18 |
| balloons | ck | 15:21 |
| fgimenez | sergiusens, are bugs enabled for goget-ubuntu-touch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/goget-ubuntu-touch | 15:23 |
| Chipaca | fgimenez: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch | 15:26 |
| fgimenez | Chipaca, ok thx :) | 15:27 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey, I'm going to need to restore the buggy files and reboot, can that wait a bit? I'm debugging some other issue on the booted stick atm ... but you can build an image yourself for debugging as well if you want ;-) | 15:28 |
| cyphermox | that's already what I'm doing :) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | k | 15:29 |
| cyphermox | do I need something special? | 15:29 |
| cyphermox | a different version of ubuntu-device-flash? | 15:30 |
| seb128 | yes, trunk | 15:30 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, then use the first line from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/23/%23snappy.html | 15:30 |
| skay | I've followed https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/ for the beagle bone black but after waiting > 2 minutes the ssh step doesn't work | 15:38 |
| skay | should I be holding down a button when inserting the SD card and powering the device? | 15:38 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, let me know if you manage to get an image with the issue | 15:40 |
| cyphermox | almost done building the image | 15:41 |
| cyphermox | I'm building a potential fix too, so I'll be ready to test that as soon as I get an image that reproduces the bug | 15:42 |
| cyphermox | seb128: have you filed a bug about this? or do you know if someone else has? | 15:43 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, no I didn't, but I'm happy to if you tell me against what | 15:45 |
| skay | zyga: hey, you successfully got snappy on your bbb, do you have notes on that? | 15:46 |
| cyphermox | seb128: so, now if I want to run the image I assume I can do so in qemu? | 15:46 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, qemu or a machine with a non uefi boot | 15:47 |
| seb128 | like good legacy bios :p | 15:47 |
| cyphermox | right | 15:47 |
| cyphermox | well, this bug is uefi specific | 15:47 |
| seb128 | right | 15:49 |
| cyphermox | yup, it fails | 15:52 |
| plars | skay: I have it on my bbb, what's the problem? | 15:53 |
| plars | skay: oh, just ssh? It's up otherwise? Did you use --enable-ssh? | 15:53 |
| skay | plars: I have sadly few details for you | 15:53 |
| skay | plars: I can't tell if it's up, since I can't ssh in to it and didn't have a monitor handy | 15:54 |
| skay | plars: I did not --enable-ssh | 15:54 |
| plars | skay: you'll want to do that when you build your image | 15:55 |
| skay | plars: ah, I used the image listed on the start page, I figured I'd follow that | 15:55 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, let me know if you figure out what the issue is ;-) | 15:55 |
| plars | skay: also, if you don't have a monitor (or even if you do) I highly recommend using a usb-ttl cable so you can get serial console | 15:55 |
| plars | skay: ah, yeah... always roll your own image :) | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | seb128: the issue is some old code in grub to help find the right device for removable install media | 15:56 |
| skay | plars: oh yeah! I saw someone using a usb-ttl cable when searching around for blog posts about it | 15:56 |
| cyphermox | ie. when you boot the CD in EFI | 15:56 |
| skay | plars: I want one | 15:56 |
| plars | skay: amazon, they are really cheap if you don't have one already | 15:56 |
| skay | plars: if it's better to roll our own images, then someone should update the start page | 15:56 |
| skay | plars: I'll try again after building my own image. plus, we have many monitors at the hackerspace and I'll hook one up too | 15:58 |
| plars | skay: that's my personal opinion if you are going to be doing the kinds of things we want to do, but it's not the quickest/simplest path assuming you have a tv or monitor to hook it up to, and a keyboard to get things going | 15:58 |
| plars | skay: don't forget you'll need a microhdmi-hdmi cable | 15:59 |
| plars | skay: something like http://www.amazon.com/Amzer-Micro-HDMI-Speed-Cable/dp/B003OBZSHC | 16:00 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: is there a minimal memory to run a snappy personal image? I can't seem to start it properly in qemu | 16:49 |
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| seb128 | cyphermox, what's the issue? you need to pick the "ubuntu" line in the grub menu | 16:56 |
| seb128 | the snappy system-a one just loops reboot | 16:56 |
| cyphermox | right, that's what I'm seeing, the kernel loads, panics, reboot | 16:56 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, try to pick the ubuntu line | 16:57 |
| seb128 | unsure where the system-a entry is coming from | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | grub didn't stop to ask me, but I can play with it some more | 16:58 |
| seb128 | help debugging that/cleaning it out would be welcome as well ;-) | 16:58 |
| cyphermox | I'm still wiating for my grub build to finish | 16:58 |
| cyphermox | once grub plays nice, we can debug that | 16:59 |
| cyphermox | at least now I know it's not my stuff that is wrong | 16:59 |
| cyphermox | (I mean, my qemu settings) | 16:59 |
| sergiusens | seb128: fwiw, Chipaca and me just revamped most of the grub code to have a very minimal grub.cfg | 16:59 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, I hope personal still boots with it ;-) | 17:00 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: is grub.cfg still in /efi/boot/grub.cfg? | 17:00 |
| sergiusens | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy-hub/grubcfg/+merge/262701 | 17:01 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: yes | 17:01 |
| cyphermox | alright | 17:01 |
| sergiusens | default and timeout need fixing there though | 17:01 |
| sergiusens | but I hope you get the gist of it | 17:01 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, is efi/secure boot going to keep working with that? | 17:02 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: does it really have to be at that location? why not /boot/grub? I'm just curious, as in /boot/grub things would mostly work immediately, whereas /efi/boot will need a special case. | 17:02 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: I don't know, it's all slangasek's work that led to this | 17:03 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: this being grub.cfg in .../efi/... | 17:04 |
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| cyphermox | heh | 17:06 |
| sergiusens | seb128: I think so, but I have no system to prove it | 17:06 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, I can test those changes if that helps, just not today (in the middle of trying to debug unity8 in a booted session on my key) | 17:07 |
| sergiusens | seb128: testing this involves building from 7 branches so I wouldn't advise on testing today ;-) | 17:08 |
| seb128 | lol, k | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, do we build the BBB images without --developer-mode ? | 17:08 |
| seb128 | then when those land in trunk | 17:08 |
| seb128 | let me know before doing a release | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | (the conversaition between skay and plars kind of suggest that) | 17:08 |
| sergiusens | seb128: sure, for now, I'm releasing those snappy personal things | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | *suggests | 17:08 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: yes, no developer mode by default, why? | 17:09 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 17:09 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, the start page doesnt mention that ... or that he should manually build the image to have ssh | 17:09 |
| * ogra_ makes a note to look over the docs once he is back in business | 17:10 | |
| sergiusens | ogra_: ssh is disabled by default like on all images; it has been subject of controversy | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | not on the rpi :) | 17:10 |
| plars | I assumed that was by design to keep the getting started page as simple as possible for now, I typically just build my own, but it might not hurt to have a mention that things like ssh will not be enabled if you use the default image | 17:10 |
| sergiusens | and mentioned in some of the welcome pages, albeit only the cloud ones; whereas it's common to have ssh disabled by default on any ubuntu install | 17:11 |
| plars | with, perhaps, a link to getting into more detail | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | yeah, probably a sub-page we can link to | 17:11 |
| plars | it wasn't obvious to her earlier when she was trying to get it working | 17:11 |
| sergiusens | it is expected for images to not have ssh enabled though | 17:11 |
| plars | and I suspect a lot of people have this problem of no easy way to attach otherwise | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | plars, yes, thats what got my attention reading the backlog | 17:12 |
| sergiusens | secure by default mantra and all that | 17:12 |
| sergiusens | with an 'ubuntu' password ;-) | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, thats fine, but we need to hint people how to get it enabled :) | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | haha, yeah | 17:12 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: how can I rebuild the image if I want to use a different gcdx64.efi? | 17:16 |
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| ogra_ | cyphermox, you rebuild the oem snap | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | cyphermox, (now dont ask me how you get your hands on the oem snap for amd64 :P ) | 17:20 |
| ogra_ | cyphermox, what i do for the RPi: dpkg-deb -x pi2_0.14_all.snap unpack; cd unpack; fiddle ... fiddle ... fiddle; cd ..; snappy build unpack | 17:21 |
| cyphermox | ugh | 17:21 |
| ogra_ | once you have your new oem snap you can just use it with ubuntu-device-flash to build a new image | 17:22 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: isn't that defined by the grub-install from the rootfs? | 17:22 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: it could be oem snap related, but we don't do the magic I wish we did as for u-boot (copy files and be done with it) | 17:22 |
| ogra_ | oh, ok | 17:22 |
| * ogra_ didnt know there are still differences | 17:23 | |
| sergiusens | we magically depend on what grub-install decides for us so the outcome can vary from build to build | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | oh man | 17:23 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: I got rid of most | 17:23 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: next is to add all these random files to bootassets :-) | 17:23 |
| sergiusens | and we get a nicely contained system | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | lovely | 17:23 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: I can't update files if I can't boot the system to a working shell | 17:30 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: so far all I ever get is no grub menu, and booting a kernel that panics | 17:30 |
| cyphermox | but I do have http://ppa.launchpad.net/mathieu-tl/installer-dev/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/uefi/grub2-amd64/2.02~beta2-25ubuntu2~mtrudel1/ with files that can then be signed :) | 17:31 |
| seb128 | sergiusens, why do we install openssh-server to disable it by a file in /etc? | 17:38 |
| seb128 | btw I didn't look at core, but personal is lacking a /etc/default/locale | 17:39 |
| seb128 | not sure what should create that | 17:39 |
| seb128 | hum | 17:43 |
| seb128 | upstart --session doesn't like snappy much | 17:43 |
| seb128 | if that a known issue? | 17:43 |
| seb128 | the upstart bridge jobs and other things seem to behave weirdly, not start as they should | 17:44 |
| zyga | skay: yes, I have | 18:05 |
| zyga | skay: it's rather straightforward, just copy the image, what kind of issues did you see? | 18:05 |
| zyga | skay: and most important, do you have a serial cable? | 18:05 |
| skay | zyga: hey, plars suggested building my own image. I was just following the instructions on the site, using hte vanilla image | 18:45 |
| skay | zyga: I'll update back here if I run in to a problem. I'll prob try it tonight | 18:45 |
| sergiusens | seb128: for cloud-init | 19:02 |
| sergiusens | seb128: grep for ssh here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#snappy-azure | 19:03 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: you can manually put stuff there, just map the image, mount, put, run | 19:04 |
| sergiusens | chroot or what not | 19:05 |
| sergiusens | elopio: any luck with adt on trusty btw? | 19:07 |
| elopio | sergiusens: no sir. I forgot about that, sorry. | 19:09 |
| elopio | I'm making a note in my todo to do it after lunch/gym. | 19:09 |
| sergiusens | elopio: thanks! | 19:09 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: ok | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | map the image? | 19:13 |
| cyphermox | nvm, got it | 19:21 |
| sergiusens | cyphermox: kpartx | 19:31 |
| cyphermox | sergiusens: heh, I used losetup, but I got it already, I'm testing my fix | 19:31 |
| slangasek | cyphermox: "why not /boot/grub" for the record, there is also a grub.cfg in /boot/grub, and if the grubcdx64.efi was capable of finding it on its own it would've done so :) | 20:06 |
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| cyphermox | slangasek: I understand, I'm trying to see if I can't make that work for you | 20:32 |
| cyphermox | the answer seems likely to be fixing up the patch I sent to grub-devel so they're happy with it | 20:34 |
| plars | ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snappy-hub/fix-1464275/+merge/261833 still hasn't been merged? | 20:38 |
| plars | or did lp just miss it somehow? | 20:39 |
| sergiusens | plars: there is no automerging for that and it would need to go throught the store as well | 20:43 |
| sergiusens | -t | 20:43 |
| plars | sergiusens: so who needs to do that? | 20:43 |
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