[05:29] good morning === pitti_ is now known as pitti === pitti is now known as Guest21493 === Guest21493 is now known as pitti_ === pitti_ is now known as pitti [07:25] good morning desktopers [07:26] morning seb128 [07:26] re didrocks ;-) [07:30] bonjour seb128 et didrocks ! [07:30] lut pitti, wie gehts? [07:30] seb128: a bit tired from long travel yesterday, but okay, thanks [07:30] et toi ? [07:31] ça va bien ! [07:31] pitti, did you travel more than Dresden-Munich in train? [07:34] hey pitti! [07:43] seb128: no, just that, but I had that long appointment too, and had to travel late [07:43] ça va didrocks ! [07:43] pitti, I see, I hope you had a good night at least :-) [08:04] hey hey [08:06] hey Laney, wie gehts? [08:07] prima, danke! [08:07] und dir? [08:07] (there's a really annoying electrical whine, brb finding out where it's coming from) [08:07] goed, danku ;-) [08:08] Laney, is that another part of the house acting? did you get your plumbing issue resolved? [08:10] was the macbook's power supply [08:10] still had it connected, seems i replaced it just in time [08:10] hehe [08:10] and yes, leak from the washing machine tap [08:10] totally could have figured that out myself [08:11] got to leave it out in the middle of the kitchen for $days to let the wall dry out th ough [08:11] good that it was not a big issue [08:11] good morning Laney! [08:11] hey didrocks! [08:11] how goes? [08:12] good good, yourself? [08:33] not bad! [08:33] I've somehow broken my gpg agent though [08:34] which is annoying when trying to sign this email [08:34] * Laney grr [08:34] env unset? [08:34] g-k does that for me sometime on wily [08:34] unsure why [08:36] no I commented out use-agent in the config file [08:36] * Laney fail [08:37] Laney: it hates you, hate it back it works for me :) [08:42] davmor2: I just had to stroke it right and now we're friends again [08:43] Laney: yeah never tickle it's belly without being invited too [08:44] didrocks / seb128: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/22/french-teens-unable-cope-with-baccalaureate-english-question [08:45] * Laney loves the quote at the end [08:45] head->desk [08:46] wth with young people nowadays [08:47] like they had a petition a year ago because the baccalauréat math exercices were too difficult/not similar enough to the old ones they had worked on during the year [08:47] "Besides, Travers pointed out, the petition was “full of errors” in French." [08:47] nice! [08:49] the text of the petition doesn't contain any error though [08:49] it's not "nicely written", as some expressions are quite childish-who-want-to-write-adult-language [08:49] but at least, if there were mistakes, they have been fixed [08:52] :) [08:53] "it’s not a very common word.” [08:53] head->desk [08:54] "his year complained that they thought the “tiger” referred to in Tigre Bleu de l’Euphrate – a play by Laurent Gaudé, who won the Goncourt prize in 2004 – was an animal, when in fact it refers to a river. " [08:54] shrug [08:54] * didrocks opens the medecine box for seb128 [08:56] back in my day! [08:56] yeah, srly, kids! === Trevinho|Holiday is now known as Trevinho [09:08] Laney: do I need to go through any process for that mozc thing? or it's regarded as a small update? [09:08] we can take care of it [09:08] Laney: your like 10 come back when you've grown a beard :P [09:08] nice === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest80292 === Guest80292 is now known as Tm_Tr [10:08] bah. just cycled through the rain. should get fenders. [10:12] i think that frequently [10:12] once actually bought them but then the screws were too short and I never sorted it out [10:12] hey larsu! [10:14] Laney: you kids an your zany ideas, just carry a change of clothes and get wet and muddy and enjoy it :P [10:17] hi Laney! [10:18] davmor2: it's what I do, but sometimes I sit in a 3h Spanish class after cycling... [10:19] I ride for normal tasks - having to get changed after you get to the shops/pub isn't that convenient [10:20] * Laney wears waterproof trousers if necessary [10:20] the problem is when you forget them :( [10:20] probably happens like 2x per year [10:21] * Laney missed the chance to use an × [10:26] oh, there's a poppler transition, awesome! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:55] ricotz: 5.0.0 rc1 build looks okish, copying wily build to libreoffice-prereleases ... === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:57] Sweet5hark, huh? [11:58] Sweet5hark, what is up with your short-term memory? ;) [12:13] hi #ubuntu-desktop [12:20] desrt, hey! === hikiko__ is now known as hikiko === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:49] seb128, Laney: hm, for a few days I have a really irritating change in gnome-terminal, double-clicking an URL doesn't select the schema any more [12:50] i. e. you double-click on http://foo, and it selects/copies "://foo", but not the "http" [12:50] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750577 [12:50] Gnome bug 750577 in general "highlighting on left mouse double click ends at colon (:)" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:52] I think they would like to bring the UI back [13:04] Laney: thanks [13:04] how would I configure this for myself [13:05] pitti: using dconf directly [13:05] Egmont gave directions -- one second [13:11] pitti: ah, here we go https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730632#c33 [13:11] Gnome bug 730632 in VteTerminal "implement UAX29-like word boundary detection for double-click select-by-word" [Normal,New] [13:13] Laney: cheers! === Olli_ is now known as olli [13:51] Laney likes transitions ;-) [13:51] Laney, robert_ancell said he would handle the poppler rebuilds once it's NEWed [13:51] just as a fyi [13:52] yeah I commented on the bug [13:52] it was caught up with the wps one [13:53] k [13:56] my debian patch submitted the 18/08/2008 has just be committed! [13:56] didrocks, congrats! to what packate? [13:56] package [13:57] has the bug been annoying you for 7 years? [13:57] seb128: keepalived [13:57] Laney: no, I fixed it in ubuntu first :p [13:57] it was when we were speeding up shutdowns [13:57] and so remove rc0/rc6 symlinks [13:59] wow. congrats! [13:59] wait, I sponsored a package yesterday that dropped this change [14:00] since $guy found out that they were needed [14:00] did they really apply the patch? :/ [14:00] ah, interesting, I'll look at the bug, maybe it was just closed [14:00] * didrocks didn't read the content either than "closed" [14:00] guess it will autosync [14:00] yep [14:01] bbiab, trying that snappy usb key on my laptop which is simple boot and not uefi [14:08] k, same issue than on the uefi box, for some reason sudo doesn't work/complains about /etc/sudoers.d/README being malformated [14:10] but looking at that file on the key from another install it seems correct/identical to a working system one [14:21] seb128: just to ensure, are all lines commented? [14:21] or maybe an empty one with a tab/space? [14:22] didrocks, yes, doing a diff with the installed/os version shows no diff and the same image works in a vm [14:22] go figure [14:22] waow [14:22] * seb128 doesn't understand [14:22] and googling for exact errors returns nothing? [14:23] going to try that, I rebooted under my normal system to do the diff and try the vm [14:23] so I google for the keyword I remembered [14:23] not the char exact error [14:23] that didn't help much [14:25] same permissions/owner? [14:26] if the permissions are wrong it usually complains about the permissions, there I get a parsing error on line 1 error [14:27] the weirdest part is that the exact same image works in vm… [14:27] also it's the same iso I boot on the vm that I did dd on the stick [14:27] well "exact" [14:27] grub is buggy on uefi [14:28] so I copied my system installed grubx64.efi to the key [14:28] and boot using that [14:28] which works [14:28] unsure what impact that could have on sudo though... [14:36] the error is the one from http://cizixs.com/2013/08/14/solve-sudoers-error-problem/ [14:40] shrug, and why is recovery boot no doing a recovery but starting a normal system including lightdm [14:41] I wonder if that's an ubuntu/systemd issue and if a normal desktop wily install would do that as well [14:44] seb128: oh, is there any other sudoers.d/ files in that directory by any chance? [14:45] didrocks, yes, a 10snappy one [14:45] but the same image works in kvm [14:45] so wth? [14:46] I did rm the dir from the key and I'm trying to boot it again :p [14:46] are you sure there is no $CONDITION making it getting different code path between vms and installed? [14:46] no [14:46] I'm not sure [14:46] what would be different between a vm and bios boot? [14:47] no idea (at least for sudo…) [14:47] also the error is [14:47] "sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers.d/README near line 1" [14:47] k, works fine without the .d dir [14:47] at least I can debug now :p [14:48] try to put back README [14:48] and keep the other file removed [14:49] I wouldn't be surprised in the "guilty" file pointed at was the wrong one [14:51] yeah [14:52] unsure why it works in the vm though [15:30] hey there [15:30] oh CRAP [15:30] i mean hi guys! [15:30] on tiring time, hey hey, :) [15:30] it's meeting time! [15:31] brb [15:31] yay? yes, yay. === CardinalFang is now known as qengho [15:31] Laney: back to our nap I guess :) [15:31] back [15:31] switched to wifi so I can use the lan cable for the snappy debug :p [15:31] so let's get started [15:31] #startmeeting [15:31] Meeting started Tue Jun 23 15:31:55 2015 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:31] Laney: you still can quickly sabotage meetingology [15:32] (too late) [15:32] attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, FJKong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, qengho, Sweet5hark, hey [15:32] \o [15:32] heya [15:32] hi [15:33] hey [15:33] hey [15:33] ok, let's get started [15:33] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: attente [15:33] attente, hey [15:33] gtk-mir: debugged cursor themes not working properly [15:33] fixed issue with paint clock not restarting for some windows (prevented some dialogs from rendering) [15:33] fixed windows not un-maximizing after maximizing [15:33] fixed wheel scrolling not working properly [15:33] fixed menus not accepting mouse motion or click events [15:33] apparmor kernel patch needs some small revisions [15:33] (eof) [15:34] nice [15:34] are all those gtk-mir fixes on the mir side or on the gtk one? [15:34] or asked differently, are they landing in distro? ;-) [15:34] those fixes are all on the gtk side, but in a wip branch upstream [15:35] can we backport that on top of our current package? [15:35] sure [15:35] great [15:35] can you work with Laney to do that? ;-) [15:35] yep :) [15:35] excellent [15:35] thanks attente [15:36] desrt, is off today so next is dgadomski [15:36] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski [15:36] dgadomski, hey [15:36] hey [15:36] * investigating a libreoffice crash in 15.04 (4.4.2, stack overflow caused by recurrent ORowSetValue::makeAny, not reproducible with 4.4.4 however). It might have been introduced by this change: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/14720/. Sweet5hark: do you think it makes sense to report it against 4.4.2 if it turns out that it's fixed in 4.4.4 available from ppa:libreoffice/ppa? [15:37] dgadomski: dont think it will make much sense [15:37] Sweet5hark: ok, thanks, I will just do more tests to be totally sure whether 4.4.4 fixes it [15:37] additionally: looking at 3 sound issues (receiving lots of help from diwic and TheMuso), 1 of them may be a driver issue, another looks like a hardware issue and still examining the last one) [15:38] EOF, thanks [15:38] dgadomski, thanks [15:38] dgadomski: (rationale: I think we will SRU LO 4.4.4 rather quickly) [15:38] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: didrocks [15:38] didrocks, hey [15:38] hey [15:38] * Ubuntu Make: [15:38] - Arduino support now merged (reviewed, modified to add groups and added medium tests + new dataset). Will release once back from vacations [15:38] - Fix a bunch of recent medium tests regressions and uploaded new docker images [15:38] - Bug triaging (seems this week was quite active in suggestions/bugs) [15:38] * Developer Advocay: [15:38] - Continue working on season 1 example app. First target snapshot working [15:38] - Fought on StateSaver + report issues upstream [15:38] - Draft structure on what a video episod should look like [15:38] * Misc: [15:38] - Fixed zram-config rrmod argument [15:38] - Tutor SDK guys about patch system and packaging [15:38] - Check, debug and bisect licensecheck regression(bug #1466098). Now fix is upstream [15:38] bug 1466098 in devscripts (Ubuntu) "licensecheck fails to parse copyright if a / is contained" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466098 [15:39] - Restart discussion around pip as other teams want to revert our change from last cycle [15:39] . [15:39] didrocks, thanks, enjoy your holidays! [15:40] #topic FJKong_ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: FJKong_ [15:40] FJKong_, hey [15:40] hi [15:40] * continue on research on new feature of shuangpin support [15:40] * new feature on default skin loading strategy to fit more skins supporting [15:40] * discuess about software center and youker-assistant find 4 bugs and feedback to kylin guys. [15:40] eof [15:40] FJKong_, thanks [15:40] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: happyaron [15:40] happyaron, hey [15:42] 1. ibus merge and bug triaging [15:42] 2. UKSC, ubuntukylin-theme and youker-assistant analysis from product view [15:42] 3. ubuntukylin-theme, ubuntukylin-default-settings, youker-assistant update (pending upload) [15:42] 4. Monday was statutory holiday [15:42] \-1 [15:42] happyaron, thanks [15:42] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Laney [15:42] Laney, hey [15:43] hullo [15:43] • transition week! [15:43] • Work on e-d-s 3.16 transition (including some fixes and upstream work), needs help on address-book-service test failure [15:43] • Work on gstreamer 1.5, blocked on platform-api ftbfs (might hack around this in -bad if it goes on for much longer) [15:43] • poppler 0.33 transition (including some patches & cherry-picks) [15:43] • wps transition [15:43] • Fix mdadm making kernel cmdline too long which eventually (after too many grub/kernel updates) causes a panic [15:43] • Merge gtk 3.16.4, blocked in proposed on glib which is blocked on chromium's tests [15:43] • Fix cmake's multiarch support being installed in the wrong place [15:43] • Patch piloting [15:43] • dmb: some administrative pinging about voting, new member needed, packagesets & other things [15:43] • get rid of the last vala-0.26 r-deps, this can be removed now I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala-0.26/+bug/1466835 [15:43] Launchpad bug 1466835 in vala-0.26 (Ubuntu) "Remove vala-0.26" [Medium,Triaged] [15:43] ⚱ [15:44] stealing robert_ancell's poppler's transition, no cookie for that :p [15:44] sorry robert_ancell [15:44] no fun work for you [15:44] Laney, is the chromium test issue a real regression of that gtk/glib update? [15:44] stealing my wps transistion: two cookies for that! [15:44] no [15:45] the chromium test is a bogus failure. [15:45] I didn't know it was blocking anything. I'm sorry I held that up. [15:45] Laney, can't we just override the failure to let those in? [15:45] * seb128 wants to get those gtk fileselector typeahead fixes :p [15:45] qengho, why do you think people keep asking you what's the status? ;-) [15:45] well I thought that I was getting a fix [15:46] so ... [15:46] k, let's see if we get a fix this week [15:46] otherwise I would suggest we let the updates in [15:46] Laney, thanks [15:46] #topic larsu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: larsu [15:46] larsu, hey [15:46] hey! [15:47] a bit annoyed that I did lots of dabbling this week, but have no results :/ [15:47] did some more work on the phone systemd stuff, but get stuck often [15:48] and started looking into several theming issues that came up (eog, toolbar icon scaling, scrollbar issues) [15:48] but haven't finished that yet either [15:48] sorry guys :/ [15:48] did you see my comment on the icon thing? [15:48] (doesn't happen with adwaita) [15:48] yes [15:48] no worry, some weeks give less result than other, hopefully you wrap up the theming and some other bits next week and have a good list of results then ;-) [15:49] Laney: I think this is more fallout from the recent icon sizing changes in gtk [15:49] seb128: thanks :) [15:50] larsu, thanks [15:50] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: qengho [15:50] qengho, hey [15:50] - testing yesterday's new Chromium release, 43.0.2357.130. [15:50] - that package will also fix the autopkgtest test breakage. [15:50] - more chromium/ozone/mir work. Getting closer. [15:50] - reviewing contributor's NaCl packaging work and upstream patches to make it build for Debian/Ubuntu. [15:50] EOF [15:50] EOF [15:50] nice to see test fixed ;-) [15:50] when can we expect that to be uploaded? [15:50] :( Sorry. [15:51] we sort of need to unblock glib/gtk [15:51] seb128: I'll ask you to sponsor today. [15:51] thanks [15:51] ok, next is me [15:51] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: seb128 [15:52] • snappy fun continued [15:52] ∘ debugged & fixed mounts failing leading to non booting image (missing /writable directory) [15:52] ∘ debugged & fixed lightdm not starting (extra directories needed to be rw, also userdir was missing) [15:52] ∘ looked at empty /etc/hosts issue and fixed it [15:52] ∘ removed manpages©right files cleaning code, we want those on a desktop (and it was making a systemd job fail) [15:52] ∘ looked at failing systemd jobs on the image, discussed issues&solutions, reported bugs [15:52] ∘ tried to get uefi boot working without success (the device is seen as a working uefi one but grub has issues with missing /boot) [15:52] • added missing depends to libmission-control-plugins-dev [15:52] • discussion with design about layouts/grid units, 40/50/90gu are not magical enforced values, they are just going to be what most device use and so appwriters might want to make sure their UI look good at those values [15:52] • review of e.u.c issues and bugs triage [15:52] [15:52] status is that with current goget-ubuntu-touch trunk (should be uploaded to wily today) you can build a personal image that boots (!uefi) to a working unity-greeter [15:52] I'm debugging unity8 session now [15:52] k, so next [15:53] #topic Sweet5hark === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Sweet5hark [15:53] Sweet5hark, hey [15:53] - bumped prereleases ppa build from vivid to wily [15:53] -- also setup the usual set of pbuilders and VMs for that locally [15:53] - bumped prereleases ppa build from beta3 to rc1 [15:53] - dropped usage of some internal copies: glm, mwaw, mdds [15:53] - looked through the rest of the internally bundled libs: some MIRs should be coming, looking good in general [15:53] - wrote simple example code to use LibreOfficeKit to render a doc into a RGBA buffer and save as a png [15:53] -- ultimate goal is to plug LibreOffice into the docviewer (or rather, to dock the docviewer to its mothership, LibreOffice) [15:53] - wrote some upstream unittests [15:53] - did a general analysis of upstream test suites, stability and coverage [15:53] - German community weekend in Essen and 2nd upstream bughunting session for LibreOffice 5.0, processing fallout and after action (both happened over the weekend) [15:53] - general admin and leadership tasks at the Document Foundation and LibreOffice [15:53] - some GSOC mentoring [15:53] (eh, got throttled) [15:53] (resending last bits) [15:54] - did a general analysis of upstream test suites, stability and coverage [15:54] - German community weekend in Essen and 2nd upstream bughunting session for LibreOffice 5.0, processing fallout and after action (both happened over the weekend) [15:54] - general admin and leadership tasks at the Document Foundation and LibreOffice [15:54] - some GSOC mentoring [15:54] - oh, and finally finished backups (not offsite yet though) [15:54] EOF [15:55] there was only one line cut on the first try here I think [15:56] (got throttled twice: assume you just missed the EOF) [15:57] we got the EOF [15:57] Sweet5hark, thanks [15:58] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: robert_ancell [15:58] - Update gnome-power-manager, accountsservice, gnome-online-accounts [15:58] - Packaged California for wily, worked on gnome-calendar package [15:58] - Released simple-s [15:58] - Tidied up Launchpad entries for GNOME projects [15:58] - poppler update [15:58] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: tkamppeter [15:58] tkamppeter, hey [15:59] - Tested IPP-over-USB on the HP DeskJet Ink Advantage 2546: Works when ippusbxd is started manually from the command line, web interface and IPP requests with ipptool work, printing works only with ipp14 and not with ipp backend. Needed: Get it working wth systemd, get printing with ipp backend working. [15:59] - Communicated IPP-over-USB problems with Sanjay Kumar at HP. [15:59] - General HPLIP testing on HP DeskJet Ink Advantage 2546. [15:59] - Ghostscript: Communicated with Michael Vrhel and Robin Watts (Ghostscript upstream devs) about supporting MuPDF as print renderer, main problem: No PostScript output to support PostScript printers. [15:59] - Bugs. [16:00] tkamppeter, thanks [16:00] #other topics [16:00] ok, did I forgot anyone? [16:00] is there any other topic? [16:02] seems not [16:02] thanks everyone! [16:02] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" [16:02] Meeting ended Tue Jun 23 16:02:49 2015 UTC. [16:02] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-06-23-15.31.moin.txt [16:03] thanks guys [16:05] oh wow, seems we made using tools way too easy in the LibreOffice build system. A GSOC student just started a test both under valgrind and in gdb by setting env-vars. The result of debugging inside valgrind was confusing to him. === dpm is now known as dpm-afk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:54] qengho, I'm calling it a day soon, how is that chromium update going?