[00:22] Hello there I am running into a couple of issues with the Ubuntu Phone. I tried to set developer mode. But it said that I need a passwd or something else. So when tying to set that It it says that it can not. then after that When I try to unlock the phone (swipe) It asks me for the password then fails when I try to enter it in [00:22] any ideas on how I can get back into the phone ? I wuld like to enable ssh and some other stuff [00:22] would * [00:24] Also after trying to enter in the passwd more then X amount of time it tells me that I have to wait 5 minutes :S === IdleOne is now known as Guest85948 === nhaines_ is now known as nhaines === pitti_ is now known as pitti === pitti is now known as Guest21493 === Guest21493 is now known as pitti_ === pitti_ is now known as pitti [06:24] ogra_: Ping [06:25] http://blog.meizu.it/arriva-il-meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition/ The Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu will launch in europe on thursday [06:25] ogra_: ^^ [06:52] popey: Oh, they're trying to compile AppArmor profiles in the background after a system update has been downloaded and before the phone reboots and does the actual update, to speed up the process [07:05] * ogra_ lols about Matlib's list above ... [07:06] issue 1) ... concerns about security [07:06] issue 2) enable samba by default on all phones [07:06] haha [07:06] sturmflut2, all italian :/ [07:08] ogra_: It just says "the phone will go on sale on June 25", they will be shipped to customers within the first ten days of july, and the rest is a repetition of the hardware features [07:08] sturmflut2, sure, i can read it (and use g-translate) ... [07:08] good morning [07:08] dholbach: Moin! [07:08] just sad that they dont have some english version [07:11] ogra_: What I really wonder is why this official blog already announced the news yesterday, but no other official Meizu account seems to have written anything [07:11] hey sturmflut2 [07:11] well, the it site did do that in the past [07:12] see all the videos in the ubuntu category ... [07:12] ... there was no accompanying word on the main site back then [07:18] why on earth would i buy an ubuntu phone instead of an iphone? [07:18] why wouldnt you ? [07:20] hio: you make your own choices in life. Nr Shuttleworth remains a dictator of the benevolent variety [07:21] is there an app market on ubuntu phones? [07:21] hio: yes [07:21] what language can i write apps for that? [07:22] qml, html5, c++... [07:23] so the device apis are in c++ and theres bindings for javascript? and if i want to write my app in any other language i can bind to the c++ apis? [07:23] e.g sending an sms on ubuntu phone [07:23] is there an api? [07:26] hio: not quite. Apps in Ubuntu are strictly contained and don't get direct access to such things by default. Worth having a look at the developer docs and having a play with the emulator to get the idea === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:27] well naturally, but i can prompt the user for these permissions right [07:29] I'm not sure if send-SMS is one of the capabilities we provide, but in general, yeah. [07:29] even old nokia phones have an api for that! [07:29] hio: the frameworks are evolving in terms of what apps can and cannot ask permissions to do. You'll find it a very different experience than developing for android or ios: security and confinement is much greater [07:29] you can use url-dispatecher to make your app open the messaging app [07:30] (like on a desktop clicking a mailto: link in a website opens your mail app) [07:31] thats not good enough, needs to happen in the background [07:31] hio: it is a different concept. If you want your app to have freedom, Ubuntu is not for you. The strict confinement allows users to trust apps from the store even though they haven't been cyrated [07:31] *curated [07:31] ok but that's against the spirit of linux imo [07:31] i want my app to do anything just like my desktop [07:32] hio: in the 90's we would have called it a "paradigm shift" :) [07:32] * popey ticks off a box on his bingo card [07:33] hio: don't worry - confinment is coming to the desktop as well ;) [07:33] i dont like it, i already complained to microsoft about these insane win10 app restrictions and now ur telling me even linux is going that route [07:34] i dont want your random app in the store reaching into my contact list and sending it to some random website [07:34] hio: That's the model Ubuntu is working towards, I'm afraid. The days of a rogue or malicious process destroying your files or removing your privacy are coming to an end [07:34] or it going and getting my documents and sending them somewhere [07:34] heh, or use up your free SMS to spam the world [07:35] or any one of a million other undesireable things [07:35] hio, go android if you want to write SW that is able to breach security :) [07:36] hio: honestly - try it for a while. At present, the frameworks are a little too restrictive imho, but the model is sound [07:36] stay with ubuntu if you want a system where the user knows what his software does [07:36] Hi all! Emualtor has been not working for weeks, any progress with this error? [07:36] mcphail, well, that simply means we need more system services to provide more features :) [07:37] robin-hero, hmm, the released images should have been tested with the emulator too [07:37] davmor2, ^^^ ? [07:37] guys the problem with this "security" is that i cant make apps that provide value anymore [07:38] hio: that's a bit of a sweeping generalisation [07:38] hio, define value [07:38] improving built in functions [07:38] hio, value like colleciting my GPS profile and then sending info about it via SMS to some secret reciever ? [07:39] hio: you can improve the functions directly. The frameworks are open and patches considered. No need to hack around them with apps [07:39] or value like having an app that records audio while i dont know about it [07:40] NSA sound recorder +1 [07:40] :) [07:41] i'm gonna open a bug report against launchpad (there is no mobile version!), it will probably make some devs laugh :)) [07:43] also "... now ur telling me even linux is going that route..." ... no, we are not linux ... linux is the part of the system that makes your hardware work ... we are ubuntu, there is a concept on top of linux ... the source is all available, if you want to you can grab it, remove that concept and build your own roms [07:43] ogra_: if i want to make an app that records my every goddamn move then I want to be able to do that. How is that not freedom? ur telling me ubuntu doesnt care about freedom anymore [07:44] hio, we do, see above, feel free to roll your own image without any restrictions [07:44] hio: you can build an app which does that. But the store will not accept it by default. Doesn't stop you installing it on your own phone [07:44] okay, so you offer the same freedom as microsoft [07:44] you can re-brand and re-build it and sell it if you like [07:44] "make ur own os" [07:44] no [07:44] thats almost literally the same [07:45] or did microsoft show you the source code of all their system ? [07:45] are you able to actually build windows images ? [07:45] the fact that its slightly easier to roll my own OS via ubuntu doesnt change that in terms of freedom both microsoft and ubuntu will offer the same shipped product [07:45] or are you even able to remove the resctrictions on a running MS phone [07:46] (note that you can indeed disable everything on y running phone if you like ... we just dont allow that for your moms phone ) [07:46] *on a [07:47] yep so you are restricting freedom for comfort [07:47] let's make a fire bug 1450485 [07:47] no, for keeping your moms addressbok safe [07:47] bug 1450485 in Launchpad itself "launchpad is not useable from a mobile device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450485 [07:47] my moms address book is safe if she just got out of her comfort zone and read the security poup [07:48] does she ? [07:48] of course not [07:48] see :) [07:48] no YOU see [07:48] you make a shittier product to be able to cater to soccer moms [07:48] that is ubuntu now, congrats [07:48] your mom wouldnt read the popup ... she would click it away (like million users do on android phones every day) [07:48] we make a sdystem where that doesnt happen ... [07:49] hio: we enjoy your trolling, but please moderate your language [07:49] instead of thinking about a model that allows both sides to coexist with total freedom, you cop-out completely and 1:1 copy the apple/microsoft security model [07:49] * ogra_ would say we improved it ... :) [07:49] only in apple la-la land is removing freedom an improvement [07:49] Note that the Debian based desktop ISO is still being made. [07:49] Where you can have apps which do all these things. [07:50] you can have them on the phone too ... just not from the official store [07:51] a sideloaded app can come completely without any security [07:52] heck, people are running complete Xorg desktops on their ubuntu phones ... you got all the freedom you want ... [07:52] buut then again, your mom probably just wants a safe and working phone :) [07:54] there are people running apache+tomcat and a web IDE for java development on their phones ... nobody takes away any freedom from the user ... [07:55] but if you want to provide a plain phone app you have to play by the rules the system provides ... [07:55] hio: Why don't you have a look at all the documentation and at an actual system and see if it is really impossible to build/run the app you want [07:56] (which might be wider than you might think ... as sturmflut2 suggests, dont judge by the cover) [07:56] hio: can you give us a link to an app you've developed on a different platform, and we could see whether it would translate to the Ubuntu system? === Guest85948 is now known as IdleOne [08:05] mcphail: other platforms cant do it either, thats my point. I would only switch to ubuntu if it offered MORE freedom [08:05] apparently it does not, even less [08:05] Hello guys! it is any way to build Ubuntu touch based on CyanogenMod 11 or 12? [08:06] ogra_, the flash light is not working on mx4 (most of the time), i have to reboot to make it work again, where should i report this bug? [08:08] conyoo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bugs [08:08] thanks popey [08:10] hio: You might want to actually look at the platform before you start spreading FUD. I don't see a problem with your example, if you want an app that creates a GPS profile and sends SMS, that will most likely be possible even with confinement in the near future. You start the app, you get asked if you want to allow it to access the GPS and to send SMS, and then it just runs. For everything else, you can also run apps [08:10] without confinement. There even is an App Store for those "more powerful" apps, the OpenStore. [08:11] Wellark: Ping [08:12] sturmflut2: good to know thank you. Is it possible to use XFS filesystem on the phone? [08:13] hio: the images we ship use ext4, but someone could build an image using xfs I'd imagine [08:13] bit of work [08:14] sure, but you would have to build an xfs module and make some changes, then you could use it on the writable part of the system and wear out your MMC [08:14] is it possible to one-click switch to another image for my ubuntu phone? [08:14] another image? [08:14] Like switch to Android? [08:14] no, but there is a commandline tool to switch between different image channels [08:14] yeah, i want to be able to switch to xfs backed image and if it doesnt work out or crashes, i want to switch back [08:14] hio: the current kernels don't seem to come with XFS, but that might change, especially when Convergence hits the market. People might want to use XFS on the external USB drives they connect [08:14] ah, no [08:15] hio: I don't think it would be a good idea to run XFS on the internal flash of your phone [08:15] definitely not [08:15] but you can also definitely do it :) [08:15] is xfs quite chatty on IO? [08:15] sturmflut2: why not? [08:15] it does a lot more journalling [08:15] ahh [08:16] we should use btrfs ㋛ [08:16] [08:16] yay :) [08:16] and it will likely be a lot slower on an MMC [08:16] works for sailfish! [08:16] brave guys :) [08:16] bug 1467807 [08:16] bug 1467807 in Canonical System Image "flash light doesn't work most of the time on Meizu MX4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467807 [08:16] popey, hio: XFS was never designed for "normal" storage devices. For example it assumes that you have a battery-backed storage controller, if you don't and the system crashes XFS is prone to data loss. [08:17] * ogra_ would actually like to play with f2fs ... but currently snappy eats my development time :) [08:17] but xfs has journaling, thats the entire reason i want it [08:17] hio: ext4 has journaling? [08:17] ext4 has journaling ... [08:18] wait, let me think. i wanted xfs because it has the same kind of api as ntfs which lets me check for changed files. idk if it was called journalling exactly, id have to look it up [08:18] * mcphail just wants _anything_ but vfat for external storage [08:18] hio, you want inotify ... thats the linux word for it [08:18] no i dont [08:18] hio: You might want to look that up again [08:18] hio, and that is totally independent of the filesystem [08:19] (well, not totally, but most FSes support it and the API from the kernel side is the same for all) [08:19] inotify wouldn't work adequately [08:19] why not ? [08:19] it will tell you abouot all file changes [08:19] the watching process won't be inotified if it is backgrounded [08:20] (at least, I couldn't get it to work) [08:20] heh, no, you would have to have a system service indeed ... but not because of the backgrounding ... simply because security confinement wouldnt let you talk to the API [08:20] Wasn't inotify superseeded by fanotify [08:21] might be [08:21] conyoo: left a comment on your bug [08:21] ogra_: But real men use ftrace and kprobes anyways ;) [08:21] lol [08:22] Sadly ftrace and kprobes are very limited, at least on krillin [08:27] Grrr, I had a whole "Hacking Ubuntu Touch" article prepared detailing what I did to debug bug 1421455, and now the bug has been fixed before I get to publish it [08:27] bug 1421455 in powerd (Ubuntu) "Slow wake up time on physical power button pressed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421455 [08:27] How dare they make the product better! [08:27] popey, o/ it's probably related, but i've opened the uTorch app just to test the flash after it wasn't working in the camera app, so the uTorch wasn't running [08:27] before [08:30] robin-hero: what image are you testing on with emulator [08:31] rc-proposed [08:31] robin-hero: what is the exact command you are using [08:33] davmor2: No moment, I search it [08:33] *One [08:35] I'm sitting in front of an other computer, but I think this was the command: sudo ubuntu-emulator --arch=i386 --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-propoed/ubuntu [08:36] robin-hero: okay cool install 171 now just checking we were on the same page [08:36] ok [08:37] It just shows a black screen [08:38] popey, http://i.imgur.com/ZMJ5RFR.png [08:38] ogra_: is there (that you know) a pre-built armhf ubuntu image I can grab and boot in kvm? [08:38] conyoo: thats what I see if utorch is open, yes. [08:38] popey, i dont think so ... and you would run it in qemu, not KVM (slow) [08:39] you build in chroots on devices, right? [08:39] o/ bbl snack time === conyoo is now known as pixelr0|aw [08:43] popey, no, i use qemu-user-static and ubuntu-core tarballs usually ... [08:43] * ogra_ got to old for building each and every chroot :P [08:44] install qemu-user-static ... wget an ubuntu-core (not snappy) tarball ... untar it ... copy /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static into the untarred dir and just chroot into it [08:45] Is apport expected to work on my Aquaris? [08:46] Whatever I do, I get "This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again." - even when trying to file a bug against apport itself. [08:46] rbasak, whoopsie is ... (and in a degraded form apport too, yes) [08:46] rbasak, are you on the latest OTA image ? [08:46] ogra_: yes, r23. [08:46] that should actually use the approt package from vivid [08:46] apport 2.17.2-0ubuntu1.1 [08:46] yeah [08:47] i thought ubuntu-bug would work ... weird [08:47] ogra_: bug in apport? Or system-image? === howefield is now known as howefield_afk [08:47] no idea ... the only thing we actually use from apport is the core collection from whoopsie ... that definitely works [08:49] just file a bug by hand ? [08:49] I did. But it would be nice if apport worked, so I am filing a bug for that. [08:49] Not sure what it should be against though? [08:50] * ogra_ guesses there is already one ... i bet popey knows [08:51] wassup? [08:51] apport works, what's the specific issue? [08:51] you're running "apport-bug apport"? [08:51] popey: it doesn't for me at all. [08:51] "This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again." [08:52] when you do what? [08:52] popey: even in response to "ubuntu-bug apport". [08:52] popey: you can't reproduce this? [08:52] * popey tries [08:52] Let me give you a pastebin. [08:52] (generating) [08:53] popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11761165/ [08:53] * ogra_ wonders if some hackery we did in rtm to make it work was dropped ... since we use the official vivid package now [08:53] (and I haven't modified /etc/default/apport - I haven't remounted anything read-write) [08:53] i dont get that [08:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11761169/ [08:54] ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en image 47 on krillin [08:56] musicplayer audio output goes to max when skipping to next song.. anybody ever had that happen? [08:56] it just wants your attention :) [08:57] popey: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1467830 [08:57] Launchpad bug 1467830 in apport (Ubuntu) ""ubuntu-bug" does not work on Aquaris 4.5" [Undecided,New] [08:57] Not sure where it should go, but apport seems a good place to start. [08:57] ogra if that it is so then it works like a charm :) [08:57] rbasak, how are you logged in ... ? [08:58] matv1, heh [08:58] davmor2: Any progress? [08:58] ogra I meant.. SORYY WHAT ?? [08:58] ogra_: ssh [08:58] hmm, k, just wated to make sure popey and you are on the same page [08:59] Well, we are using different images :) [08:59] uh [09:00] they shouldnt be so far apart though ... popeys is a week or ten days newer [09:00] rbasak, eeek ... "android-gadget-service-enable ssh" [09:01] for the next tim you want to enable ssh :) [09:01] *time [09:01] (dont call setprop directly ... the gadget service has some extra checks etc) === Trevinho|Holiday is now known as Trevinho [09:02] ogra_: OK, but I couldn't use your answer as I didn't want to mess with setting up adb. [09:02] robin-hero: booting up slowly [09:02] ogra_: and the answer below yours said to use setprop. [09:02] rbasak, you dont need to ... the gadget servie works from the terminal app ... and nc should too [09:03] the answer below mine is fine ... just replace the setprop line with the command above ... beyond that it would be the same [09:03] (also why dont you wget your key from launchpad ;) ) [09:04] * ogra_ bets even the download manager via webbrowser would work :) [09:05] ogra_: because ssh-import-id isn't available. And the instructions would better be written for most users who won't already have their key in Launchpad :) [09:05] Good morning all; happy Let It Go Day! 😃 [09:06] rbasak, i was talking about you, not most users :) [09:06] anyway, you got it running :) [09:06] :) [09:07] :) [09:08] Anyway, the original bug I tried to report is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1467818. If someone wants to confirm, it should be trivial to reproduce. [09:08] Launchpad bug 1467818 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Crash when displaying context menu in landscape orientation" [Undecided,New] [09:09] davmor2: It never finish booting, at least for me :) [09:10] rbasak, doesnt crash for me (though i'm on MX4 on todays rc-proposed image) [09:11] ogra_: did the context menu appear the right way up, OOI? [09:11] I wonder if it's Aquaris-specific. [09:11] yes, looked all fine [09:11] four options in the menu [09:11] hmm [09:11] I see the menu sideways very briefly before it crashes. [09:11] Thanks for looking. [09:12] wanting to try it on my krillin i notice i dont have maliit running ... no kbd [09:12] hmm, who had that bug yesterday ... i want to "me too" it [09:13] rbasak, might be related to the resolution [09:13] bug 1467648 [09:13] bug 1467648 in ubuntu-keyboard "keyboard crashes on meizu mx4 r1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467648 [09:14] popey, thanks [09:14] Aaargh. dbus-daemon is lagging my phone again. Any idea how I can debug this? [09:15] mcphail, i think tvoss had some procedures in the past [09:15] is this a known issue on vivid? It is killing the experience [09:15] i did an experiment yesterday, i tried facebook, in sailfish in a normal web browser and on the web app in touch, and they behave noticbly differently, are there elements that are in that browser that arent inside the webapp solution? [09:16] mcphail, I investigated into the underlying issue some time ago but never came to a definite conclusion [09:16] rbasak, works on krillin too [09:16] mcphail, let me find my debugging procedure [09:16] tvoss: cheers. It doesn't help that I don't really understand dbus ;) [09:17] mcphail, it's not that difficult, think a fan in the middle that is responsible for distributing to one or multiple destinations [09:17] ogra_: I am happy to help debug further, but I know little about the internals on the phone. [09:17] Wellark: Ping [09:17] rbasak, http://i.imgur.com/2r9RApp.png [09:17] ogra_: how do I arrange a core dump with ubuntu-app-launcher involved? [09:17] uh, no idea ... thats ted-land :) [09:18] ogra_: I believe you. I can send you a video of my behaviour if you like but I'm pretty sure you believe me too :) [09:18] yeah, i do [09:19] ogra_: oh, it's a dupe, with a proposed fix [09:19] davmor2: So, If am right it didn't booted for you too :) [09:22] hi people, can i paste in a facebook app, with copy and paste? [09:22] robin-hero: indeed look like systemd login is breaking [09:23] good day to you all [09:23] brobostigon: As far as I can see the Facebook webapp on Ubuntu injects some JavaScript to change the original website [09:23] tvoss: I'm really curious to know what it is up to when it is spiking to 50--95% CPU usage. That doesn't seem right [09:24] mcphail, you want to familiarize yourself with dbus-monitor to get started [09:24] sturmflut2: interesting. [09:24] davmor2: Yes, and this is the situation for weeks or more [09:24] is it yet possible to add your own scope to the news aggr scope? [09:24] scope/source of content [09:24] brobostigon: But I'm definitely not the webapp expert [09:24] Tm_T: Scope Tagging should make that possible [09:24] Tm_T, yes, tagging [09:24] sturmflut2: ok, ty. [09:25] thanks fellows, I'll try that then (: [09:25] davidcalle, systemd login ?? [09:25] Tm_T, see https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/scope-keywords/ [09:25] ogra_, wait, what? [09:25] davidcalle: neat, thank you very much [09:25] davidcalle, err, that was for davmor2 [09:26] tvoss: aah - looks as if I'm going to have to wait until I get home to connect via adb/phablet-shell. Not going to be able to keep track of dbus-monitor on the terminal app [09:26] mcphail, likely :) just give me a ping when you are back home [09:26] Tm_T, also, see https://code.launchpad.net/~knitzsche/ubuntu-rest-scopes/yahoofianance_news.finance_keyword/+merge/262593 , you can do things like "news.sport" or "news.finance", to add a level of detail if you want. [09:26] tvoss: cheers. I'll try to avoid rebooting the phone in the meantime. Lag always settles after reboot [09:26] with bq 4.5 ubuntu? [09:27] mcphail: log to a file and pastebin it? [09:27] ogra_: user@32011.service [09:27] [ 16.837083] systemd-logind[921]: Failed to start user service: Unknown unit: user@0.service [09:27] aha [09:27] popey: output is _huge_ and really need to see what is happening during the CPU spikes [09:27] ah [09:27] so logind is broken ... (but more likely lightdm is, this is likely just fallout) [09:28] popey: going to have to have "top" running in a parallel terminal [09:28] i have terminal set to live forever thanks to tweak geek [09:28] so handy [09:28] tweak geek? [09:28] mcphail, great, thank you :) [09:28] we should probably really make that a default [09:29] mcphail: open store, it lets you make apps have lifecycle exception [09:29] for the terminal app it makes sense to at least not suspend the shell [09:29] yeah [09:30] That's twice I've heard of the open store this morning. Where is this land of exotic delights? :) [09:30] https://open.uappexplorer.com/ [09:30] ooh [09:32] I presume the store itself is by a trusted dev? [09:32] → mzanetti [09:32] * mcphail is reassured [09:32] Trust No-one. [09:33] The truth is out there [09:34] davidcalle: hmm, so I can make the aggregator scope use more details in the request and the scope could use that extra detail, right? [09:34] i see only copy ... [09:35] davidcalle: what I have in here is a scope that when used independently can give different feeds according the topic you choose [09:35] Tm_T, not sure about the internals of the aggregator itself, but It should, afaict [09:35] davidcalle: if I can make the magic happen somewhow whitout chopping this to several scopes that would be superb [09:35] Indeed [09:36] popey: mcphail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhpmuXHmRQ [09:36] davidcalle: there's 20+ different news subjects this one scope is providing now, so yeah [09:36] Not clicking that [09:36] It'll be terrible 80's pop [09:36] popey: there's other kind from 80's? [09:36] robin-hero: did you file a bug at all? [09:37] popey: no it's terrible 90's pop [09:37] popey: but fitting of the conversation [09:37] 😃😃😃😃😃 [09:38] I know what it will be :) [09:38] Youtube blocked here but tell me it is a link to the gorgeous Cerys Matthews? [09:38] Catatonia? [09:38] popey: it might be [09:39] mcphail: Of course it is [09:39] davmor2: Nope, coz I don't know which logs I need to attach. [09:39] davmor2: :) [09:41] girotonda, copy/paste is generally working not so well yet [09:42] especially in webapps i think [09:43] robin-hero: no worries I'll write one up [09:44] davidcalle: ":-1: warning: scope_ini_ylenews_scope_unknown_fields: Unknown field in 'ylenews/ylenews.tmt_ylenews.ini': keywords" [09:44] davmor2: Thanks, please link it when it'll be ready [09:45] ogra_ in others use that works ... boh 😊 [09:46] ah, then it is actually an issue with the app [09:47] girotonda, if it is the app from canonical https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-core/+filebug ... (check in your app store if it is the canonical one you got installed ... i think there are other facebook webapps too) [09:48] twitter idem ... ok thanks ... now try 😉 [09:48] robin-hero: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1467865 [09:48] Launchpad bug 1467865 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Emulator is not working image 171" [Undecided,New] [09:49] davmor2: Thanks [09:51] robin-hero: in future just file a bug, the issue is on here a comment can go sailing past with ease and then the dev never knows. A bug can have a task assigned to it so it is on the devs plate, Don't worry so much about exact logs if you put in the info to reproduce if that makes sense. But thanks for raising it :) [09:52] davmor2: Okay, thanks again :) [09:57] Hello guys, is it any way to build ubuntu touch over CyanogenMod 11 or 12? [09:57] over ? [09:58] Zabuldon: the 2 projects share similar components, but Ubuntu isn't an android wrapper [09:59] for my device i can build only cyanogenmod. i don’t have AOSP. But i want to build Ubuntu touch [09:59] aah [10:01] I'm going to have a look at this as well, at some point. Keen to play with Ubuntu on my S3, and a good porting guide from cyanogenmod would be useful [10:01] I made a webapp as per the tutorial: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/web/tutorials/web-app-tutorial/ but there are a few problems with my web app. Firstly, how can I block pop ups? Secondly, how can I enable it to play video (video works fine when simulating on my laptop, but on my uTouch N4 I get MEDIA_ERR_SRC_NOT_SUPPORTED)? [10:07] ZacharyIgielman, there's also #ubuntu-app-devel [10:09] jgdx, thanks [10:42] Now this is strange [10:43] sturmflut2, waaat [10:44] I am running eventstat on arale and krillin. If I turn the phone on, disable all radios, start eventstat and then lock the screen, I get a steady pattern of timer events, and after ~170 seconds (krillin)/~220 seconds (arale) the event rate suddenly gets *much* lower, on both devices [10:47] sturmflut2, and what is surprising there ? [10:48] it tries to go into deep sleep [10:48] ogra_: After two minutes? [10:48] it goes to sleep 10-20sec after switching off the screen ... and then to deep sleep after a while [10:49] on tteh mx4 you can actually see when the first sleep happens if you play with the home button right after turning it off [10:49] after a few secs the led stops responding [10:50] I created some graphs, a moment please [10:52] http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/eventstat-krillin.jpg [10:53] So it goes into half-sleep immediately after it is locked, and then into deep sleep about 2.5 minutes later [10:53] right [10:53] One might ask why it's waiting for so long, but at least it goes into deep sleep [10:54] http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/eventstat-arale.jpg [10:54] and about every 5 mins the polling mechanism for notifications kicks in [10:54] The same thing on arale, but notice that the drop in kernel events is "compensated" by userspace [10:54] which is th userspace spike you see arounf 410 min i guess [10:54] err [10:54] 410 sec [10:55] I have to look up what the kernel spike on krillin is, around ~165 seconds [10:55] arale still has issues with sleeping ... i think the wlan driver still doesnt let it sleep properly [10:56]