| KnightWork | good morning peeps | 06:46 |
|---|---|---|
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:00 |
| KnightWork | Morning Moodoo | 07:01 |
| KnightWork | how are you | 07:01 |
| MooDoo | I'm ok what about you | 07:01 |
| KnightWork | Doin ok :) been taking the Dell XPS13 to work with me today. Lovely machine ! | 07:02 |
| bashrc | morning | 07:39 |
| KnightWork | hey bashrc | 07:43 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:36 |
| KnightWork | hey davmor2 , how are you | 08:47 |
| davmor2 | KnightWork: good thanks you? | 08:48 |
| KnightWork | Doin ok :) Tinkering with the XPS13 here :) | 08:54 |
| KnightWork | popey: i'm going to do an episode on the XPS13 (first impressions and such) if you need anything for your podcast let me know (i noticed you talked about it last week) | 08:58 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Let It Go Day! 😃 | 09:05 |
| * davmor2 drops the heavy weight on JamesTait 's foot after letting it go :D | 09:08 | |
| * KnightWork sings "let it go" from Frozen , dressed in a light blue full-body swimsuit with flippers and feathers | 09:08 | |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | Very fetching. | 09:09 |
| * KnightWork holds brobostigon over a cliff and "lets it go" | 09:09 | |
| zmoylan-pi | morning mammals | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | brobostigon, o/ | 09:10 |
| * KnightWork does the same for zmoylan-pi | 09:10 | |
| zmoylan-pi | i don't sing disney songs | 09:10 |
| brobostigon | morning JamesTait | 09:11 |
| * KnightWork thinks about having "bowel movements" on "let it go" day and if that is a good idea | 09:11 | |
| * brobostigon is ouchie now, :( | 09:11 | |
| Myrtti | I wish I knew why my firefox keeps logging me out of Mozilla Sync | 09:15 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: it's trying to tell you to move to chrome | 09:23 |
| Myrtti | I've used Firefox for a few years after a long stint of using Chrome, and I still can't remember why I made the original switch. Possibly had something to do with HTTPS Everywhere being available as an extension on Android too | 09:24 |
| Myrtti | "Loaded to vehicle for delivery" but why hasn't the van moved, why????!!?!?!?!? | 09:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | coffee and a kitkat first :-P | 09:27 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: man if you are still on kitkat you really need a new phone, buy an ubuntu one :D | 09:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | i think my last android phone was gingerbread :-) | 09:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | my first was donut | 09:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | both sitting on a shelf beside me | 09:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | replaced by featurephone nokias | 09:37 |
| daftykins | favouring chrome over firefox? crazy talk | 10:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | lynx forever \o/ | 10:25 |
| awilkins | I switched back to Firefox relatively recently | 10:25 |
| awilkins | When I'm doing CSS I really dig the whole 3D rendering thing, actually | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: pff you and your fancy lynx w3m for the win | 10:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | wget? :-D | 10:36 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| Myrtti | http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/grownups/clangers-knitting-pattern | 12:09 |
| daftykins | :D | 12:21 |
| daftykins | zomg do it | 12:21 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| ujjain | is 50grams of sugar in a drink much? | 12:53 |
| daftykins | http://bit.ly/1N4Cf0j | 12:55 |
| daftykins | hrmm Kodi exploit | 12:55 |
| TwistedLucidity | Nice. Not. | 12:58 |
| awilkins | 50 grams?!? | 12:59 |
| awilkins | 50 grams is the dose of glucose they use to bring you out of a diabetic hypoglycaemic coma | 12:59 |
| awilkins | Or about 12 teaspoons of sugar | 13:00 |
| awilkins | Yes, it's a lot of sugar | 13:01 |
| TwistedLucidity | awilkins: Depends on how big the bottle is..... | 13:03 |
| TwistedLucidity | A 2l bottle of pop isn't usually considered a single serving | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | That would make for a hearty G&T | 13:04 |
| awilkins | I use the Fever Tree (light) now | 13:05 |
| awilkins | It uses fructose which is sweeter than sucrose so less required to make it equivalently sweet | 13:05 |
| awilkins | Can of coke is 8 teaspoons | 13:06 |
| awilkins | Also, all the other brands of tonic water now have some kind of artificial sweetner in them | 13:06 |
| awilkins | Some supermarkets had a "premium" tonic line for a while that just used sucrose (Asda!) | 13:07 |
| awilkins | But they've all abandoned it. Even Schweppes is full of saccharin | 13:07 |
| awilkins | All leave a horrible gakky aftertaste in the mouth | 13:07 |
| awilkins | If I'm drinking something designed to have a delicate and subtle flavour like gin, I don't want to taste gak. | 13:08 |
| ujjain | awilkins, I have a innocent super smoothie | 13:09 |
| ujjain | ah, contains naturally occursing sugars from fruit | 13:09 |
| ujjain | mabye that's different | 13:09 |
| TwistedLucidity | awilkins: Fevertree FTW! | 13:10 |
| awilkins | ujjain, It's still sugar, but at least the pulp helps you absorb it a *little* less quickly | 13:10 |
| ujjain | argh, and I thought that little can of 223 calories would help me lose weight | 13:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | ujjain: Sugar is sugar. Even fructose isn't /that/ much better than glucose | 13:11 |
| ujjain | it was innocent and healthy on the outside | 13:11 |
| ujjain | 355ml bottle | 13:11 |
| awilkins | Heh, they like their image | 13:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | ujjain: Water with a shot of lemon juice | 13:11 |
| awilkins | Tea with no milk | 13:11 |
| awilkins | Tea is supposed to be healthier than water as long as you take it with no sugar | 13:12 |
| awilkins | It has water in it. Plus antioxidants. | 13:12 |
| ujjain | I am trying water+ephedrine, seems to help. | 13:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | there are lots of different kinds of tea. | 13:12 |
| awilkins | Ephedrine? You have hay fever? | 13:12 |
| ujjain | nops | 13:12 |
| awilkins | Or are you a Mormon? | 13:12 |
| ujjain | moron or mormon lol | 13:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | Tea with full-fat moo-juice, please | 13:13 |
| awilkins | Mormons aren't allowed caffeine | 13:13 |
| ujjain | ah right | 13:13 |
| awilkins | So they cheat with ephedrine tea | 13:13 |
| ujjain | ah lol | 13:13 |
| awilkins | Religion : absolute rules were made to be wiggled around | 13:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | Yeah, cuz god will forgive a cheat :-S | 13:13 |
| ujjain | like jews with their cannot push button systems, | 13:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | Losing weight is fairly simple. Eat less, do more. | 13:14 |
| TwistedLucidity | Easy...I never said it was easy. Only simple. | 13:14 |
| popey | ujjain: what? push buttons? | 13:15 |
| * TwistedLucidity could stand to lose (or redistribute) around 4kg | 13:15 | |
| awilkins | popey, Jews are not allowed to work on the sabbath | 13:15 |
| ujjain | "Why Is Pressing a Button Considered Work on Shabbat " | 13:15 |
| ujjain | Shabbat elevator | 13:15 |
| popey | oh, i see | 13:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | Which is...moronic. Sorry, but it is. | 13:15 |
| popey | all mentals, all of them | 13:15 |
| ujjain | instead of pushing the button, they turn or pull it lol | 13:16 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: I'll have you know I work with a Jew...actually...you're probably right. :-) | 13:16 |
| awilkins | Things like that give lie to the notions that i) Being religious gives you a moral compass ii) Being an atheist means you don't have one | 13:17 |
| awilkins | You'll find a way around the rules if you want to | 13:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | awilkins: I'll have you know that as a devout atheist I only eat babies who asked for it! | 13:17 |
| awilkins | And you'll stick to your principles if they matter | 13:17 |
| awilkins | Being told that the rules are the most important thing is probably counterproductive | 13:18 |
| TwistedLucidity | I am forming a religion on how I think my dog views the world. It has three pillars: "Can I play with it?", "Can I eat it?" and "Boring" | 13:19 |
| ujjain | Yeah, it's a shame. But what you gonna do about it. Much of my family really seems obsessed with going to Mecca many times. I meet Brazilian girls, they do nothing else than praising god. | 13:19 |
| ujjain | lol | 13:19 |
| TwistedLucidity | I'd like to go to Mecca...if it didn't mean entering Saudi Arabia. | 13:20 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: people look at you strange when you ask for a full fat Coke/Pepsi I've no idea why they have a diet version and have no questions on that version :) | 13:20 |
| awilkins | You want to meet the kind of Brazilian girl who's more into Carnival really... | 13:21 |
| ujjain | ah yeah, although most of them probably wouldn't be the brightest | 13:21 |
| ujjain | I drink a lot of diet coke. | 13:21 |
| ujjain | to avoid getting calories, full coke seems to have so many. | 13:21 |
| popey | pepsi max > diet coke | 13:21 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: I don't drink Coke due to their business practices. And if I want a 'ginger' it's more likely to be that - ginger beer. | 13:21 |
| ujjain | I read the bad stories about diet coke, but still seems better than 120 calories per can | 13:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | And there's a question for the UK - why in the name of the wee man can't I get a decent root beer in this country? | 13:22 |
| directhex | i'm not going to waste full-sugar soda calories on mass market crud like coke or pepsi | 13:22 |
| directhex | TwistedLucidity: because root beer is culturally an american thing | 13:22 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: you can, Fentimans Ginger Beer is awesome | 13:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | directhex: We have dandelion and burdock, but it's usually too sweet | 13:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Still verging on too sweet | 13:23 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: Also Fentimans Dandilion and burdock | 13:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Too sweet | 13:23 |
| popey | i wonder if geoff (who left himself logged in at heathrow airport once) still works for fentemens | 13:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | I fell in love with root beer in the USA | 13:24 |
| popey | i sent him an email from himself... Subj: things to do today. 1) Change password. | 13:24 |
| directhex | i just want good cola | 13:24 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: yeah but they use corn syrup in everything rather than sugar | 13:24 |
| directhex | apparently good cola is not a thing the market wants | 13:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Yeah, that's a problem | 13:24 |
| directhex | all good colas have eventually been removed from sale due to nobody buying it | 13:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | directhex: Fenteman' Curiosity Cola is OK | 13:24 |
| directhex | because people won't pay extra for good cola | 13:25 |
| directhex | TwistedLucidity: too carbonated, and too acidic (phosphoric acid too, which is a cheap choice of ingredient) | 13:25 |
| directhex | their cherry is a bit better | 13:25 |
| ujjain | geoff is a regular irc guy ? | 13:25 |
| popey | no | 13:25 |
| popey | some dude who left himself logged in | 13:26 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: oddly Americans hate their Coke but love the UK Coke, they mostly drink Diet because it tastes better | 13:26 |
| popey | well, technically he didn't but I guessed his password was "geoff" | 13:26 |
| directhex | davmor2: well, that's more of an international production issue. coke made in the usa uses corn for sugar, which tastes more gloopy & syrupy than the beet sugar we use in europe | 13:26 |
| davmor2 | popey: ala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6C_HjWr3Nk | 13:27 |
| popey | nope, not clicking | 13:27 |
| directhex | i always feel like hfcs coke is sticking to the inside of my mouth | 13:27 |
| davmor2 | popey: it's not music | 13:27 |
| popey | eddie izzard? | 13:27 |
| awilkins | HFCS is horrible | 13:27 |
| davmor2 | popey: you know me so well :) | 13:27 |
| awilkins | One of the examples of bacteria enzymes making something worse than the original product... | 13:28 |
| davmor2 | popey: geoff geoftygeoff | 13:30 |
| popey | :) | 13:30 |
| daftykins | you'll still need a tray | 13:44 |
| Azelphur | Hey folks, thinking of doing a NAS / Streaming / Transcoding build, http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/MpNFxr what do we think of these parts? | 15:00 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: ping | 15:07 |
| daftykins | such a sunny dat here, check this out - https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqjlijvo5cytiwx/IMG_20150623_154630.jpg?dl=0 | 15:46 |
| daftykins | *day too | 15:46 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: eww transcoding | 15:46 |
| daftykins | :D | 15:46 |
| bigcalm | intrbiz: pong | 16:06 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| diddledan | allo | 17:36 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| ali1234 | tl;dr approximately how much will it cost me to use a AWS instance with 32GB of ram for 1 day? | 18:06 |
| diddledan | 1 day is prolly quite cheap | 18:06 |
| awilkins | Can't you get an account for free? | 18:08 |
| awilkins | And a year's free trial? | 18:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah but not high memory instances | 18:08 |
| ali1234 | although maybe you can use the free credits however you want, i don;t know | 18:08 |
| diddledan | you'd be looking at an m4.2xlarge instance which is 0.504$/hr or $12.10 for exactly 24 hours | 18:08 |
| awilkins | http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ | 18:09 |
| awilkins | ^^ what he said | 18:09 |
| ali1234 | cheers diddledan | 18:09 |
| awilkins | 0.05c more in Ireland!! | 18:09 |
| ali1234 | i guess i'll just rewrite this program to not use silly amounts of ram | 18:09 |
| diddledan | lol | 18:09 |
| awilkins | What's the progra? | 18:09 |
| awilkins | What's it written in? | 18:10 |
| ali1234 | metapixel | 18:10 |
| ali1234 | C | 18:10 |
| awilkins | Hrrmph | 18:10 |
| awilkins | Well, can't help with that then :-) | 18:10 |
| diddledan | for a 30 day month that comes to $362.88 | 18:10 |
| awilkins | If you had say, lots of stuff in a TreeMap in a Java program I can cut that down a lot | 18:10 |
| knightwise | oooKey ...; | 18:11 |
| knightwise | My Dell XPS 13 just outperformed my Macbook pro. | 18:11 |
| knightwise | i'm impressed | 18:11 |
| diddledan | awilkins: if you were to have the instance always online then reserving the machine will save around 30-40% | 18:12 |
| knightwise | 18:12 | |
| diddledan | erm, ali1234 | 18:12 |
| ali1234 | metapixel makes photomosaics | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | knightwise: \o/ | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | i have ~32000 16x16 images, to be turned into a (1920*4)x(1080*4) image | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | in order to do this it needs 24GB of ram, which it mallocs in one huge block | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | plus all the other ram it uses | 18:13 |
| diddledan | ali1234: paying completely upfront for a 1year term will cost $2541 but that saves 42% over the on-demand cost I cited above - so that equates to an hourly charge of $0.2901 (but you pay it regardless of whether the machine is turned-on or not) | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | diddledan: i just need to do this one thing :) | 18:14 |
| diddledan | ali1234: gotcha | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | for those prices i'd just get a new computer with 32GB | 18:14 |
| awilkins | ali1234, Would it work with swap? | 18:14 |
| diddledan | on-demand is awesome for "do[ing] one thing" | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | awilkins: probably but it would take ages | 18:14 |
| diddledan | swap is almost never the solution | 18:15 |
| diddledan | it slows things up far too much to be useful IMO | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | this thing already takes like 4 hours to run on a smaller set that does fit in 16GB | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | alternatively, anyone know a more efficient photomosaic tool? | 18:15 |
| diddledan | interesting confusion over windows 10 over the weekend | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | uff | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | so, C question... how do i make the compiler pack the struct optimally rather than aligning everything to 32bit? | 18:21 |
| diddledan | seems that if you're using beta versions after release of rtm (subsequent betas, not the pre-rtm betas) then you can use them for free (if you're a windows-insider). however, if you want gold versions then you either need to buy a license or have the win10 as an upgrade to a validly licensed version of win7 or win8.1. The confusion seems to have stemmed from these two concepts in addition to win10 pre-rtms that were | 18:24 |
| diddledan | upgraded from a validly licensed win7 or win8.1 will stay activated but those that weren't upgraded from win7 or win8.1 won't remain activated | 18:24 |
| diddledan | ali1234: I didn't know it did that | 18:24 |
| diddledan | ali1234: but I rarely touch C | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | yep... so the problem is i need to malloc 1 billion of some struct | 18:25 |
| diddledan | ouch | 18:25 |
| diddledan | so even if you're using booleans they'll be 32bits? | 18:25 |
| diddledan | that's wasteful | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/11763720/ <- the struct | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | now x and y can never be more than 240 | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | so i made it unsigned char, but it uses the exact same amount of memory | 18:26 |
| diddledan | try short int? | 18:26 |
| diddledan | afaik char is just a synonym of int | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | nope | 18:27 |
| directhex | u8 | 18:27 |
| directhex | unsigned char is 1 byte, 0-255 | 18:28 |
| diddledan | aha | 18:28 |
| diddledan | that'll do it | 18:28 |
| directhex | int is 2 or 4 depending on arch | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | nope | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | directhex: my problem is alignment in a struct | 18:31 |
| directhex | oh | 18:31 |
| directhex | yuck | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | see paste, i need that struct to occupy less than 16 bytes | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | or, well, 16 bytes would be okay too probably | 18:32 |
| diddledan | kasperski got hacked - apparantly to determine whether they were known about - thereby getting caught and now known about - seems a bit of a stupid idea to hack a security company | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | i can make x and y uchar, but it doesn't make the struct any smaller | 18:32 |
| awilkins | Because of packing | 18:40 |
| awilkins | Put x and y in a single 2 byte integer | 18:40 |
| awilkins | Hmm | 18:41 |
| awilkins | So metapixel_t is a pointer | 18:41 |
| ali1234 | actually... make clean seems to have fixed it | 18:42 |
| awilkins | Pah | 18:42 |
| awilkins | The Microsoft Solution - starting again!!! | 18:42 |
| awilkins | :P | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | threw some #pragma pack() in there too | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | looks like i'm writing my own thing from scratch then | 19:00 |
| popey | ali1234: you can get a digital ocean box with 64GB RAM for ~1$ per hour | 19:09 |
| popey | 640GB SSD, 9TB transfer :) | 19:09 |
| popey | has 20CPUs too | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | so twice the price of amazon... but probably a lot less hassle. thanks | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | i'm gonna write my own mosaic tool anyway... i'll make it keep everything on disk | 19:10 |
| popey | oh, they have a 32GB one for half that | 19:10 |
| popey | 48c/h | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | cool, that's competitive then | 19:10 |
| popey | careful of dem patents :) | 19:10 |
| ali1234 | patents? | 19:10 |
| popey | yeah, photomosaic process is patented | 19:11 |
| popey | the guy who did it is very litigious (sp?) | 19:11 |
| ali1234 | references? if it's patented then i can just copy his algo :) | 19:11 |
| popey | heh | 19:11 |
| popey | maybe http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=EP&NR=0852363&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP | 19:12 |
| popey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_mosaic#Trademark_and_intellectual_property_of_the_concept | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | wow, that first one is totally bogus | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | that's like the most obvious possible way to do it | 19:12 |
| diddledan | 1998 - there really isn't any prior art?! | 19:14 |
| diddledan | seriously. the american patent system is whacked | 19:15 |
| diddledan | especially when people patent something and then release it open source and then moan when people use that source | 19:15 |
| diddledan | the song "forever autumn" from jess wayne's war of the worlds is awesome | 21:51 |
| diddledan | jeff* | 21:51 |
| diddledan | to be fair the whole musical version is pretty decent | 21:53 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| daftykins | dan of the diddle! | 22:28 |
| * diddledan diddles daftykins'dan | 22:28 | |
| daftykins | diddledan: did you catch my lovely summers day snap? https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqjlijvo5cytiwx/IMG_20150623_154630.jpg?dl=0 | 22:28 |
| diddledan | ooh, purdy | 22:29 |
| popey | Myrtti: saw this and thought of you https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fbz/knityak-custom-mathematical-knit-scarves | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | popey: the instructions were on ravelry just few days ago... mm | 22:49 |
| popey | :) | 22:49 |
| Myrtti | I got the knitting machine working | 22:51 |
| popey | \o/ | 22:52 |
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