[06:46] good morning peeps [07:00] morning all [07:01] Morning Moodoo [07:01] how are you [07:01] I'm ok what about you [07:02] Doin ok :) been taking the Dell XPS13 to work with me today. Lovely machine ! [07:39] morning [07:43] hey bashrc [08:36] Morning all [08:47] hey davmor2 , how are you [08:48] KnightWork: good thanks you? [08:54] Doin ok :) Tinkering with the XPS13 here :) [08:58] popey: i'm going to do an episode on the XPS13 (first impressions and such) if you need anything for your podcast let me know (i noticed you talked about it last week) [09:05] Good morning all; happy Let It Go Day! 😃 [09:08] * davmor2 drops the heavy weight on JamesTait 's foot after letting it go :D [09:08] * KnightWork sings "let it go" from Frozen , dressed in a light blue full-body swimsuit with flippers and feathers [09:09] morning boys and girls. [09:09] Very fetching. [09:09] * KnightWork holds brobostigon over a cliff and "lets it go" [09:09] morning mammals [09:10] brobostigon, o/ [09:10] * KnightWork does the same for zmoylan-pi [09:10] i don't sing disney songs [09:11] morning JamesTait [09:11] * KnightWork thinks about having "bowel movements" on "let it go" day and if that is a good idea [09:11] * brobostigon is ouchie now, :( [09:15] I wish I knew why my firefox keeps logging me out of Mozilla Sync [09:23] Myrtti: it's trying to tell you to move to chrome [09:24] I've used Firefox for a few years after a long stint of using Chrome, and I still can't remember why I made the original switch. Possibly had something to do with HTTPS Everywhere being available as an extension on Android too [09:26] "Loaded to vehicle for delivery" but why hasn't the van moved, why????!!?!?!?!? [09:27] coffee and a kitkat first :-P [09:32] zmoylan-pi: man if you are still on kitkat you really need a new phone, buy an ubuntu one :D [09:36] i think my last android phone was gingerbread :-) [09:36] my first was donut [09:37] both sitting on a shelf beside me [09:37] replaced by featurephone nokias [10:22] favouring chrome over firefox? crazy talk [10:25] lynx forever \o/ [10:25] I switched back to Firefox relatively recently [10:25] When I'm doing CSS I really dig the whole 3D rendering thing, actually [10:32] Good morning peeps :) [10:35] zmoylan-pi: pff you and your fancy lynx w3m for the win [10:36] wget? :-D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:09] http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/grownups/clangers-knitting-pattern [12:21] :D [12:21] zomg do it === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:53] is 50grams of sugar in a drink much? [12:55] http://bit.ly/1N4Cf0j [12:55] hrmm Kodi exploit [12:58] Nice. Not. [12:59] 50 grams?!? [12:59] 50 grams is the dose of glucose they use to bring you out of a diabetic hypoglycaemic coma [13:00] Or about 12 teaspoons of sugar [13:01] Yes, it's a lot of sugar [13:03] awilkins: Depends on how big the bottle is..... [13:04] A 2l bottle of pop isn't usually considered a single serving [13:04] That would make for a hearty G&T [13:05] I use the Fever Tree (light) now [13:05] It uses fructose which is sweeter than sucrose so less required to make it equivalently sweet [13:06] Can of coke is 8 teaspoons [13:06] Also, all the other brands of tonic water now have some kind of artificial sweetner in them [13:07] Some supermarkets had a "premium" tonic line for a while that just used sucrose (Asda!) [13:07] But they've all abandoned it. Even Schweppes is full of saccharin [13:07] All leave a horrible gakky aftertaste in the mouth [13:08] If I'm drinking something designed to have a delicate and subtle flavour like gin, I don't want to taste gak. [13:09] awilkins, I have a innocent super smoothie [13:09] ah, contains naturally occursing sugars from fruit [13:09] mabye that's different [13:10] awilkins: Fevertree FTW! [13:10] ujjain, It's still sugar, but at least the pulp helps you absorb it a *little* less quickly [13:11] argh, and I thought that little can of 223 calories would help me lose weight [13:11] ujjain: Sugar is sugar. Even fructose isn't /that/ much better than glucose [13:11] it was innocent and healthy on the outside [13:11] 355ml bottle [13:11] Heh, they like their image [13:11] ujjain: Water with a shot of lemon juice [13:11] Tea with no milk [13:12] Tea is supposed to be healthier than water as long as you take it with no sugar [13:12] It has water in it. Plus antioxidants. [13:12] I am trying water+ephedrine, seems to help. [13:12] there are lots of different kinds of tea. [13:12] Ephedrine? You have hay fever? [13:12] nops [13:12] Or are you a Mormon? [13:13] moron or mormon lol [13:13] Tea with full-fat moo-juice, please [13:13] Mormons aren't allowed caffeine [13:13] ah right [13:13] So they cheat with ephedrine tea [13:13] ah lol [13:13] Religion : absolute rules were made to be wiggled around [13:13] Yeah, cuz god will forgive a cheat :-S [13:13] like jews with their cannot push button systems, [13:14] Losing weight is fairly simple. Eat less, do more. [13:14] Easy...I never said it was easy. Only simple. [13:15] ujjain: what? push buttons? [13:15] * TwistedLucidity could stand to lose (or redistribute) around 4kg [13:15] popey, Jews are not allowed to work on the sabbath [13:15] "Why Is Pressing a Button Considered Work on Shabbat " [13:15] Shabbat elevator [13:15] oh, i see [13:15] Which is...moronic. Sorry, but it is. [13:15] all mentals, all of them [13:16] instead of pushing the button, they turn or pull it lol [13:16] popey: I'll have you know I work with a Jew...actually...you're probably right. :-) [13:17] Things like that give lie to the notions that i) Being religious gives you a moral compass ii) Being an atheist means you don't have one [13:17] You'll find a way around the rules if you want to [13:17] awilkins: I'll have you know that as a devout atheist I only eat babies who asked for it! [13:17] And you'll stick to your principles if they matter [13:18] Being told that the rules are the most important thing is probably counterproductive [13:19] I am forming a religion on how I think my dog views the world. It has three pillars: "Can I play with it?", "Can I eat it?" and "Boring" [13:19] Yeah, it's a shame. But what you gonna do about it. Much of my family really seems obsessed with going to Mecca many times. I meet Brazilian girls, they do nothing else than praising god. [13:19] lol [13:20] I'd like to go to Mecca...if it didn't mean entering Saudi Arabia. [13:20] TwistedLucidity: people look at you strange when you ask for a full fat Coke/Pepsi I've no idea why they have a diet version and have no questions on that version :) [13:21] You want to meet the kind of Brazilian girl who's more into Carnival really... [13:21] ah yeah, although most of them probably wouldn't be the brightest [13:21] I drink a lot of diet coke. [13:21] to avoid getting calories, full coke seems to have so many. [13:21] pepsi max > diet coke [13:21] davmor2: I don't drink Coke due to their business practices. And if I want a 'ginger' it's more likely to be that - ginger beer. [13:22] I read the bad stories about diet coke, but still seems better than 120 calories per can [13:22] And there's a question for the UK - why in the name of the wee man can't I get a decent root beer in this country? [13:22] i'm not going to waste full-sugar soda calories on mass market crud like coke or pepsi [13:22] TwistedLucidity: because root beer is culturally an american thing [13:22] TwistedLucidity: you can, Fentimans Ginger Beer is awesome [13:23] directhex: We have dandelion and burdock, but it's usually too sweet [13:23] davmor2: Still verging on too sweet [13:23] TwistedLucidity: Also Fentimans Dandilion and burdock [13:23] davmor2: Too sweet [13:23] i wonder if geoff (who left himself logged in at heathrow airport once) still works for fentemens [13:24] I fell in love with root beer in the USA [13:24] i sent him an email from himself... Subj: things to do today. 1) Change password. [13:24] i just want good cola [13:24] TwistedLucidity: yeah but they use corn syrup in everything rather than sugar [13:24] apparently good cola is not a thing the market wants [13:24] davmor2: Yeah, that's a problem [13:24] all good colas have eventually been removed from sale due to nobody buying it [13:24] directhex: Fenteman' Curiosity Cola is OK [13:25] because people won't pay extra for good cola [13:25] TwistedLucidity: too carbonated, and too acidic (phosphoric acid too, which is a cheap choice of ingredient) [13:25] their cherry is a bit better [13:25] geoff is a regular irc guy ? [13:25] no [13:26] some dude who left himself logged in [13:26] TwistedLucidity: oddly Americans hate their Coke but love the UK Coke, they mostly drink Diet because it tastes better [13:26] well, technically he didn't but I guessed his password was "geoff" [13:26] davmor2: well, that's more of an international production issue. coke made in the usa uses corn for sugar, which tastes more gloopy & syrupy than the beet sugar we use in europe [13:27] popey: ala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6C_HjWr3Nk [13:27] nope, not clicking [13:27] i always feel like hfcs coke is sticking to the inside of my mouth [13:27] popey: it's not music [13:27] eddie izzard? [13:27] HFCS is horrible [13:27] popey: you know me so well :) [13:28] One of the examples of bacteria enzymes making something worse than the original product... [13:30] popey: geoff geoftygeoff [13:30] :) [13:44] you'll still need a tray [15:00] Hey folks, thinking of doing a NAS / Streaming / Transcoding build, http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/MpNFxr what do we think of these parts? [15:07] bigcalm: ping [15:46] such a sunny dat here, check this out - https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqjlijvo5cytiwx/IMG_20150623_154630.jpg?dl=0 [15:46] *day too [15:46] Azelphur: eww transcoding [15:46] :D [16:06] intrbiz: pong === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:36] allo === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:06] tl;dr approximately how much will it cost me to use a AWS instance with 32GB of ram for 1 day? [18:06] 1 day is prolly quite cheap [18:08] Can't you get an account for free? [18:08] And a year's free trial? [18:08] yeah but not high memory instances [18:08] although maybe you can use the free credits however you want, i don;t know [18:08] you'd be looking at an m4.2xlarge instance which is 0.504$/hr or $12.10 for exactly 24 hours [18:09] http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ [18:09] ^^ what he said [18:09] cheers diddledan [18:09] 0.05c more in Ireland!! [18:09] i guess i'll just rewrite this program to not use silly amounts of ram [18:09] lol [18:09] What's the progra? [18:10] What's it written in? [18:10] metapixel [18:10] C [18:10] Hrrmph [18:10] Well, can't help with that then :-) [18:10] for a 30 day month that comes to $362.88 [18:10] If you had say, lots of stuff in a TreeMap in a Java program I can cut that down a lot [18:11] oooKey ...; [18:11] My Dell XPS 13 just outperformed my Macbook pro. [18:11] i'm impressed [18:12] awilkins: if you were to have the instance always online then reserving the machine will save around 30-40% [18:12] [18:12] erm, ali1234 [18:12] metapixel makes photomosaics [18:13] knightwise: \o/ [18:13] i have ~32000 16x16 images, to be turned into a (1920*4)x(1080*4) image [18:13] in order to do this it needs 24GB of ram, which it mallocs in one huge block [18:13] plus all the other ram it uses [18:13] ali1234: paying completely upfront for a 1year term will cost $2541 but that saves 42% over the on-demand cost I cited above - so that equates to an hourly charge of $0.2901 (but you pay it regardless of whether the machine is turned-on or not) [18:14] diddledan: i just need to do this one thing :) [18:14] ali1234: gotcha [18:14] for those prices i'd just get a new computer with 32GB [18:14] ali1234, Would it work with swap? [18:14] on-demand is awesome for "do[ing] one thing" [18:14] awilkins: probably but it would take ages [18:15] swap is almost never the solution [18:15] it slows things up far too much to be useful IMO [18:15] this thing already takes like 4 hours to run on a smaller set that does fit in 16GB [18:15] alternatively, anyone know a more efficient photomosaic tool? [18:21] interesting confusion over windows 10 over the weekend [18:21] uff [18:21] so, C question... how do i make the compiler pack the struct optimally rather than aligning everything to 32bit? [18:24] seems that if you're using beta versions after release of rtm (subsequent betas, not the pre-rtm betas) then you can use them for free (if you're a windows-insider). however, if you want gold versions then you either need to buy a license or have the win10 as an upgrade to a validly licensed version of win7 or win8.1. The confusion seems to have stemmed from these two concepts in addition to win10 pre-rtms that were [18:24] upgraded from a validly licensed win7 or win8.1 will stay activated but those that weren't upgraded from win7 or win8.1 won't remain activated [18:24] ali1234: I didn't know it did that [18:25] ali1234: but I rarely touch C [18:25] yep... so the problem is i need to malloc 1 billion of some struct [18:25] ouch [18:25] so even if you're using booleans they'll be 32bits? [18:25] that's wasteful [18:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11763720/ <- the struct [18:25] now x and y can never be more than 240 [18:26] so i made it unsigned char, but it uses the exact same amount of memory [18:26] try short int? [18:26] afaik char is just a synonym of int [18:27] nope [18:27] u8 [18:28] unsigned char is 1 byte, 0-255 [18:28] aha [18:28] that'll do it [18:28] int is 2 or 4 depending on arch [18:30] nope [18:31] directhex: my problem is alignment in a struct [18:31] oh [18:31] yuck [18:31] see paste, i need that struct to occupy less than 16 bytes [18:32] or, well, 16 bytes would be okay too probably [18:32] kasperski got hacked - apparantly to determine whether they were known about - thereby getting caught and now known about - seems a bit of a stupid idea to hack a security company [18:32] i can make x and y uchar, but it doesn't make the struct any smaller [18:40] Because of packing [18:40] Put x and y in a single 2 byte integer [18:41] Hmm [18:41] So metapixel_t is a pointer [18:42] actually... make clean seems to have fixed it [18:42] Pah [18:42] The Microsoft Solution - starting again!!! [18:42] :P [18:43] threw some #pragma pack() in there too [19:00] looks like i'm writing my own thing from scratch then [19:09] ali1234: you can get a digital ocean box with 64GB RAM for ~1$ per hour [19:09] 640GB SSD, 9TB transfer :) [19:10] has 20CPUs too [19:10] so twice the price of amazon... but probably a lot less hassle. thanks [19:10] i'm gonna write my own mosaic tool anyway... i'll make it keep everything on disk [19:10] oh, they have a 32GB one for half that [19:10] 48c/h [19:10] cool, that's competitive then [19:10] careful of dem patents :) [19:10] patents? [19:11] yeah, photomosaic process is patented [19:11] the guy who did it is very litigious (sp?) [19:11] references? if it's patented then i can just copy his algo :) [19:11] heh [19:12] maybe http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=EP&NR=0852363&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP [19:12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_mosaic#Trademark_and_intellectual_property_of_the_concept [19:12] wow, that first one is totally bogus [19:12] that's like the most obvious possible way to do it [19:14] 1998 - there really isn't any prior art?! [19:15] seriously. the american patent system is whacked [19:15] especially when people patent something and then release it open source and then moan when people use that source [21:51] the song "forever autumn" from jess wayne's war of the worlds is awesome [21:51] jeff* [21:53] to be fair the whole musical version is pretty decent === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:28] dan of the diddle! [22:28] * diddledan diddles daftykins'dan [22:28] diddledan: did you catch my lovely summers day snap? https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqjlijvo5cytiwx/IMG_20150623_154630.jpg?dl=0 [22:29] ooh, purdy [22:41] Myrtti: saw this and thought of you https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fbz/knityak-custom-mathematical-knit-scarves [22:49] popey: the instructions were on ravelry just few days ago... mm [22:49] :) [22:51] I got the knitting machine working [22:52] \o/