[02:32] <ahoneybun> Don't forget about FOSSETCON guys! Its in Orlando: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103444865324954190992/about
[02:39] <DammitJim> ahoneybun, when?
[02:40] <ahoneybun> Nov 19-21 2015 DammitJim
[02:40] <DammitJim> cool... wasn't it here last year as well?
[02:40] <DammitJim> it must have been good
[02:41] <ahoneybun> it was he in Orlando last year as well
[02:41] <ahoneybun> *here in
[02:41] <DammitJim> OK, I'm definitely going this year
[02:41] <DammitJim> my company is finally making the turn to start using Ubuntu instead of Red Hat
[02:41] <DammitJim> *sigh*
[02:42] <ahoneybun> nice
[02:42] <ahoneybun> I was at the last one
[02:42] <ahoneybun> very good
[02:43] <DammitJim> did you speak?
[02:43] <DammitJim> I remember getting the conversation started with saltstack
[02:43] <DammitJim> did they ever show up?
[02:45] <ahoneybun> I don't remember that group
[02:45] <ahoneybun> and I did not speak
[02:53] <ahoneybun> DammitJim: looking forward to seeing you there then
[02:53] <DammitJim> cool!
[02:54] <DammitJim> is the supporter pass $85 a day?
[02:54] <DammitJim> or $85 for the 3 days?
[02:54] <ahoneybun> not sure about that one
[02:54] <ahoneybun> I will for sure like to do it
[02:55] <DammitJim> do what?
[02:55] <DammitJim> are you a bot now?
[02:55] <ahoneybun> be a supporter
[02:55] <DammitJim> I thought you were leading this conference!
[02:56] <ahoneybun> I'm helping with Social Media
[02:57] <ahoneybun> and help set up and take down
[02:57] <DammitJim> oh ok
[02:57] <DammitJim> I should help with something
[02:57] <DammitJim> this is a good group here in CFL
[02:58] <ahoneybun> Central FL?
[03:00] <DammitJim> yes
[03:00] <ahoneybun> nice
[03:00] <ahoneybun> but I see no activity on the LoCo page
[03:09] <DammitJim> is the Florida LoCo in charge of it again?
[03:09] <ahoneybun> I thought it always was
[03:09] <ahoneybun> unless your doing a LUG
[03:10] <ahoneybun> at least to let people know
[03:10] <ahoneybun> but that page has been inactive for awhile
[13:59] <mhall119> DammitJim: the Florida LoCo wasn't in charge of FOSSETCON last year, but we did organize the UbuCon within it
[13:59] <mhall119> Bryanstein is running FOSSETCON
[13:59] <Bryanstein> mhall119, I was just chatting up jcastro about the Ubucon this year 
[14:01] <mhall119> man, I hope he comes this year and doesn't get pulled into another work sprint
[14:02] <DammitJim> oh, UbuCon!
[14:02] <DammitJim> thanks mhall119 
[14:02] <DammitJim> hope things are well with you, man
[14:06] <mhall119> DammitJim: everything's going good, how's the family?
[14:06] <DammitJim> we are pretty nuts man... but hanging in there... trying to get the kids to keep learning in the summer and not digress (I think that's the word for loosing what one has learned?)
[14:09] <DammitJim> how is Michelle?
[14:13] <mhall119> DammitJim: doing alright, she homeschools our 2, so she's fighting the same fight :)
[14:16] <mhall119> teaching my daughter how to use an Arduino now, it's pretty fun
[14:20] <DammitJim> how old is she now?
[14:20] <mhall119> almost 10
[14:20] <mhall119> they grow fast, don't they?
[14:21] <DammitJim> wow... when you say how to use an Arduino, is she doing programming?
[14:21] <DammitJim> or just how to boot it up and access it?
[14:24] <mhall119> DammitJim: there's not much to access on an Arduino
[14:24] <mhall119> she and I did the programming together, she understands in theory how to do it, she just doesn't get interested in the code part
[14:24] <mhall119> but she wired up some LEDs on a breadboard that we controlled with a small program running on the Arduino
[14:24] <DammitJim> LOL... I wonder if Caitlyn or Michael would get it
[14:24] <DammitJim> oh cool!
[14:25] <DammitJim> sounds like a cool project
[14:25] <mhall119> Scratch is a fun way for kids to get started in programming, there isn't much typing, it's all drag-and-drop
[14:25] <DammitJim> I probably have 1 more year before I can do that
[14:25] <mhall119> Arduino uses a C style language, so it's a bit harder
[14:25] <DammitJim> oh
[14:25] <DammitJim> which one is the python equivalent device?
[14:26] <mhall119> not sure about python
[14:26] <mhall119> you can use python on a Raspberry Pi, that's essentially a full ARM computer
[15:22] <DammitJim> oh yeah Raspberry Pi
[15:23] <DammitJim> man, I hate loosing arguments about things I will have to maintain
[16:07] <ahoneybun> mhall119: we should do another UbuCon
[16:07] <ahoneybun> if it is not being planned areaday
[16:07] <ahoneybun> *ready
[17:00] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I planned to do another at FOSSETCON
[17:01] <mhall119> if you want to help organize it, that would be awesome
[17:45] <ahoneybun> I'll help where I can sure mhall119
[17:51] <ahoneybun> hey Nothing_Much
[17:51] <Nothing_Much> Hi ahoneybun 
[17:52] <Nothing_Much> Man, I need more discipline
[17:52] <Nothing_Much> As much as I want to learn how to code, I'm lazy
[17:52] <ahoneybun> same..
[17:53] <Nothing_Much> what? I thought someone mentioned you in a stream from UOA and you contributed to something.
[17:53] <ahoneybun> I helped the booth at SELF
[17:54] <Nothing_Much> ohh
[17:54] <Nothing_Much> what's SELF?
[17:54] <ahoneybun> SouthEast LinuxFest
[17:54] <Nothing_Much> ah
[17:54] <Nothing_Much> where was that?
[17:54] <ahoneybun> in North Carolina
[17:54] <Nothing_Much> wut
[17:54] <ahoneybun> yep
[17:54] <Nothing_Much> doesn't look that south..
[17:55] <ahoneybun> lol
[17:55] <Nothing_Much> it's right abo- oh wait, it's like 1 state below Georgia
[17:55] <ahoneybun> lol
[17:55] <ahoneybun> Florida?
[17:55] <Nothing_Much> 2 states
[17:56] <Nothing_Much> wow, I honestly think the EFF is the most important organization towards protecting freedom and FOSS and in general, technology
[17:57] <ahoneybun> I saw someone with a EFF shirt but with a iPhone...
[17:57] <Nothing_Much> he's a monkey
[17:57] <Nothing_Much> with that iphone
[17:57] <ahoneybun> lol
[17:57] <Nothing_Much> unless he has it jailbroken or somethin'
[17:57] <ahoneybun> even then still
[17:58] <Nothing_Much> but then again, i'm pretty sure that Apple *does* have the legal rights to take away your devices if you do something wrong with them, like reverse engineer it or something
[17:58] <ahoneybun> they can uninstall apps
[17:58] <ahoneybun> from the phone
[17:59] <Nothing_Much> technology is a mess at the moment
[17:59] <Nothing_Much> windows is trash, apple is apple, and dependency hell isn't worth the headaches for someone as mainstream as I am
[18:00] <Nothing_Much> but instead of going back to windows, I decided not to play the game that I wanted to try out
[18:00] <ahoneybun> video game?
[18:00] <Nothing_Much> yeah, it uses a "love" engine or something, it has two dots over the o which I can't make because keyboard
[18:01] <ahoneybun> oh 
[18:01] <Nothing_Much> the game is "Snayke"
[18:01] <Nothing_Much> http://www.desura.com/games/snayke this was the game
[18:01] <Nothing_Much> oh no
[18:01] <ahoneybun> I tried to go back to Windows to play more games... but I could not get the USB to show up so I can boot from it
[18:02] <Nothing_Much> don't do it
[18:02] <ahoneybun> SO here I am
[18:02] <Nothing_Much> or
[18:02] <Nothing_Much> don't bother with windows
[18:02] <Nothing_Much> especially windows 10
[18:02] <ahoneybun> I have like 84 damn Steam games
[18:02] <ahoneybun> but can only play 34 on Linux
[18:02] <Nothing_Much> that you can't run on linux?
[18:02] <Nothing_Much> oh darn
[18:02] <ahoneybun> yep
[18:03] <Nothing_Much> yeah, well, play those games on windows 8 if you can
[18:03] <Nothing_Much> windows 10 is insanity
[18:03] <ahoneybun> my friend always brings it up
[18:03] <ahoneybun> and asks why I'm on Linux then
[18:03] <Nothing_Much> linux is better software
[18:03] <ahoneybun> Win 8 is pure crap
[18:03] <Nothing_Much> it's inherently better than anything windows ever was
[18:03] <ahoneybun> no no no
[18:03] <ahoneybun> Win 7 was better then 8
[18:04] <ahoneybun> by a solar ystem
[18:04] <ahoneybun> *system
[18:04] <Nothing_Much> windows 7 was a less smelly pile of trash that windows 8 is
[18:04] <Nothing_Much> i use garbage as a metaphor to refer to windows
[18:04] <ahoneybun> I can't finish Dying Light because my friend wants to do it together
[18:04] <ahoneybun> :(
[18:04] <ahoneybun> its funny
[18:05] <ahoneybun> I only bought the game as they made a Linux version 
[18:05] <ahoneybun> I was never going to play it I
[18:05] <Nothing_Much> windows is a gigantic trash can that the entire world knows and tolerates in order to play games and stuff, it's convenient because the trash can has a bunch of garbage software right there in order to make something work, that's windows's convenience for you, but it's still a gigantic trash can
[18:06] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:06] <ahoneybun> damn now I want to go back to Dying Light
[18:06] <Nothing_Much> was that game good?
[18:06] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: you know what is really really funny
[18:06] <ahoneybun> yes
[18:06] <Nothing_Much> what's funny?
[18:06] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: my PS3 controller works better in Linux then Windos
[18:06] <ahoneybun> and out of the box :)
[18:06] <Nothing_Much> hah
[18:06] <ahoneybun> no extra 3rd party software
[18:07] <Nothing_Much> that fits well with my metaphor
[18:07] <ahoneybun> like in Windows
[18:07] <Nothing_Much> the trash can everybody lives in when using Windows, you have to sift through a lot of trash to find the one that works
[18:07] <ahoneybun> when I built my first computer I needed a driver from a website for the ethernet port to work in WIndows
[18:07] <ahoneybun> Linux: it worked out of the box
[18:07] <Nothing_Much> again, FOSS is inherently better than anything Windows
[18:08] <ahoneybun> and not just Ubuntu worked
[18:08] <Nothing_Much> especially GPL licensed software
[18:08] <ahoneybun> every distro I tried
[18:08] <Nothing_Much> and that's kinda why Mir is better than Wayland IMO because it's GPLv3, best form of copyleft
[18:09] <ahoneybun> I don't like the idea of Mir
[18:09] <ahoneybun> we need to stick to a standard
[18:09] <ahoneybun> Wayland for everyone
[18:09] <Nothing_Much> that actually raises a question, how can it be GPLv3 when it's extremely close to hardware?
[18:09] <Nothing_Much> close to closed down hardware?
[18:09] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:09] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, that standard was taking FOREVER to get up to speed
[18:10] <ahoneybun> the source for Mir is available?
[18:10] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, I can't read code
[18:10] <ahoneybun> I thought everything Canonical was doing was closed source
[18:10] <Nothing_Much> wat
[18:10] <Nothing_Much> dude, Mir is GPLv3
[18:10] <ahoneybun> I know there is no source for Unity 8
[18:11] <Nothing_Much> better than Wayland and Xorg because they're both MIT-
[18:11] <Nothing_Much> uh.. ahoneybun I think a problem is that while their software IS FOSS, I have a hard time locating the source, but it's either in Launchpad or Bazaar or something..
[18:11] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/mir
[18:12] <ahoneybun> some MIT in there
[18:12] <Nothing_Much> https://launchpad.net/unity8
[18:12] <Nothing_Much> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/files "browse the code" :0
[18:13] <Nothing_Much> oh okay, so I guess the MIT stuff explains why it can run on top of hardware or.. something else, pardon my lack of knowledge of coding
[18:13] <Nothing_Much> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/files and here's the code for Mir o.o
[18:13] <ahoneybun> you think I know anymore lol
[18:13] <Nothing_Much> well, we could ask a coding friend to check what the code does
[18:13] <Nothing_Much> but uh..
[18:14] <Nothing_Much> idk, most coders are bungholes and they prefer to work on their own projects
[18:14]  * ahoneybun has done some coding
[18:14] <ahoneybun> ...
[18:14] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:14] <Nothing_Much> my friend's a bunghole, he has his own engine and recording software
[18:15] <Nothing_Much> and he wouldn't share his recording software :<
[18:15] <ahoneybun> oh I see
[18:16] <ahoneybun> the problem is that if we want more games on Linux we need 1 display server
[18:16] <Nothing_Much> we have SDL
[18:16] <ahoneybun> having 2 is hard to maintain different drivers for
[18:16] <Nothing_Much> which I think resolves the issue
[18:17] <ahoneybun> I've been thining of installing SteamOS on my laptop
[18:17] <Nothing_Much> nooooo
[18:17] <Nothing_Much> don't do it
[18:17] <ahoneybun> but it is Debian+GNOME
[18:17] <ahoneybun> plus no torrents
[18:17] <Nothing_Much> UNLESS you're going to use nothing but a controller
[18:17] <Nothing_Much> don't do it
[18:17] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:18] <Nothing_Much> valve said it themselves, SteamOS will make a terrible desktop
[18:19] <Nothing_Much> it's even more barebones than Debian too
[18:19] <ahoneybun> nice XD
[18:19] <Nothing_Much> only comes with the file browser and terminal afaik
[18:22] <ahoneybun> be back, zombie time
[18:22] <Nothing_Much> l8r
[18:48] <mhall119> ahoneybun: pretty much everything Canonical distributes is FOSS
[18:49] <mhall119> the only exceptions that I know of are server-side services
[18:49] <mhall119> like Landscape and the Click/Snappy store
[19:00] <Nothing_Much> glad I see server-side things as irrelevant because GNU/Linux already dominates the server side :D
[19:02] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I see
[19:53] <DammitJim> mhall119, are you @ Canonical now?
[19:53] <mhall119> DammitJim: yeah, I have been since 2011
[19:53] <DammitJim> nice
[19:54] <DammitJim> are there other LoCo team members there, too?
[19:54] <mhall119> roaksoax is, and balloons 
[19:54] <mhall119> I'm not sure if jpugh still is or not
[19:54] <DammitJim> yeah, whatever happened to him?
[19:54] <mhall119> there are some other folks in Florida who haven't been part of the LoCo
[19:55] <ahoneybun> oh I meant roaksoax in person the this month
[19:55] <mhall119> DammitJim: I think he's moved up into the panhandle
[19:55] <ahoneybun> *met
[19:56] <DammitJim> mhall119, since we are rolling out new Ubuntu servers and one of the reasons we were able to switch from Red Hat is because we told the president of the company that we can get support for the servers through canonical... what do you suggest I do to understand what would be required to get support?
[19:56] <DammitJim> got any contacts?
[19:57] <mhall119> DammitJim: Ubuntu Advantage is the support program, I don't know who manages it internally, but there should be contact info online
[19:58] <mhall119> DammitJim: http://www.ubuntu.com/management/ubuntu-advantage
[19:59] <DammitJim> ok, thanks
[20:00]  * ahoneybun uses Ubuntu Server on his VPS
[20:00] <ahoneybun> though they have a custom kernel
[20:00] <ahoneybun> 4.0 based which is awesome
[20:00] <DammitJim> why do so many people like the word VPS
[20:00] <ahoneybun> idk thats what it is called no?
[20:01] <DammitJim> I guess everyone has one, then ;)
[20:01] <ahoneybun> virtual private server
[20:01] <ahoneybun> basicly have 1 tiny part of a full server
[20:01] <ahoneybun> 1core 1gb ram 
[20:01] <ahoneybun> but a SSD so super fast
[20:02] <mhall119> ahoneybun: enjoying your new linode service?
[20:03] <ahoneybun> mhall119: yep
[20:03] <ahoneybun> got znc running on it now
[20:03] <ahoneybun> connected to it now with Konversation
[20:03] <mhall119> nice
[20:03] <ahoneybun> so I am online all the time with a backlog too
[20:03] <mhall119> I need to get znc running
[20:03] <ahoneybun> I can see what everyone said when I was disconnected
[20:03] <mhall119> do you have it connected to multiple IRC networks, or just freenode?
[20:04] <ahoneybun> freenode only atm
[20:04] <ahoneybun> I can connect to more 
[20:04] <mhall119> I think it supports multiple now, that's what kept me from using it before
[20:04] <ahoneybun> it does
[20:04] <ahoneybun> it has a web interface as well
[20:04] <ahoneybun> there is a great article about setting it up on digitalocean
[20:05] <ahoneybun> mhall119: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-znc-an-irc-bouncer-on-an-ubuntu-vps
[20:08] <rmarcelino> Hello
[20:08] <rmarcelino> Is anyone in channel?
[20:08] <ahoneybun> hey rmarcelino
[20:08] <rmarcelino> heya
[20:08] <rmarcelino> I am thinking I am in the wrong room, but could use a bit of help
[20:09] <ahoneybun> with ubuntu?
[20:09] <rmarcelino> Yes...  edubuntu to be specific
[20:09] <rmarcelino> but would apply to ubuntu as well
[20:09] <ahoneybun> tech support is in #ubuntu
[20:09] <ahoneybun> but your welcome to hang around here as well
[20:09] <rmarcelino> lol thanks =)
[20:10] <ahoneybun> np :)
[20:10] <rmarcelino> I used to use linux in the old days, but its been a while
[20:10] <rmarcelino> lot has changed
[20:10] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:10] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:10] <rmarcelino> could use advice though if you got a sec
[20:10] <rmarcelino> as someone who I assume knows ubuntu pretty well
[20:10] <rmarcelino> I am a new IT manager for 3 school campuses
[20:10] <ahoneybun> awesome
[20:11] <ahoneybun> I would not call myself a expert
[20:11] <rmarcelino> they currently are using windows in several of our labs and the kids keep messing with them
[20:11] <ahoneybun> let me jump in #ubuntu
[20:11] <rmarcelino> Ok
[20:12] <ahoneybun> rmarcelino: follow me to #ubuntu
[20:12] <rmarcelino> I dont see that listed
[20:12] <ahoneybun>  type /j #ubuntu
[20:17] <mhall119> ahoneybun: there is also #edubuntu
[20:18] <ahoneybun> mhall119: did not know, seems he wants a custom image to lock down the settings
[20:59] <ahoneybun> mhall119: is there a way to lockdown the system settings
[21:00] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I think edubuntu had a tool that would do some stuff with gsettings to lock down various things
[21:02] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to find that
[21:03] <ahoneybun> might be broken with the changes to Unity
[21:08] <mhall119> yeah, I haven't kept up with that work in quite some time
[21:08]  * mhall119 contributed to edubuntu once upon a time
[21:40] <ahoneybun> what about uberstudent mhall119?
[21:40] <mhall119> who or what is uberstudent?
[21:41] <ahoneybun> http://uberstudent.org/
[21:44] <mhall119> ahoneybun: first I've heard of them
[21:44] <ahoneybun> oh