[05:46] <murthy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1468192
[08:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:05] <soee> hiho lordievader
[08:06] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[08:10] <soee> lordievader: cool, thanks ;) you  ?
[08:10] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[08:11] <soee> if anyone plan to watch Jurassic World please don't  :)
[08:11] <soee> waste of time and money -.-
[08:48] <mgraesslin> soee: thanks
[08:54] <soee> now i wonder if Terminator Genesis would similar crap ;)
[08:55] <lordievader> That still has the Govinator in it ;)
[09:57]  * Riddell reads http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[09:58] <Riddell> wow now I know the geographical location of my network card
[09:59] <lordievader> Is (K)Ubuntu finally getting that?
[10:00] <Riddell> wily seems to have it now
[10:00] <lordievader> Ah, cool :D
[10:05] <Riddell> that brilliantly systemd, it's a competant solution that makes things much more complex and kills off some basic assumptions for what is I guess an important problem in some cases but not many
[10:07] <clivejo> how does it know that Riddell?
[10:08] <Riddell> clivejo: the geographical location? with a map and compas and some qualified cub scouts I assume
[10:08] <clivejo> LOL
[10:09] <lordievader> And he maps it before there is a network connection :P
[10:10] <Riddell> systemd should be renamed Akela
[10:22] <Riddell> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zentyal/18438810273/in/album-72157652591863934/  caption competition!
[10:31] <Riddell> clivejo: yay your kamoso package works on my mostly clean wily install
[10:31] <Riddell> so I'll copy it to beta PPA and put it into a git archive
[10:31] <clivejo> any other testers?
[10:42] <clivejo> Riddell: got 595 missing files in calligra!
[10:42] <Riddell> clivejo: uh oh!
[10:42] <Riddell> clivejo: I think almost all will be developer files we deliberately don't package
[10:43] <Riddell> clivejo: if you can copy them into paste.kde.org and I'll take a look
[10:43] <clivejo> .h files?
[10:43] <clivejo> headers?
[10:43] <Riddell> right, we don't want those cos nothing builds against calligra
[10:43] <Riddell> there should be a debian/not-installed to list them
[10:43] <clivejo> ah, that will knock off a lot
[10:44] <Riddell> also /usr/lib/foo.so files which are dev only but you have to watch for plugins which are /usr/lib/kde4/foo.so files that we do want
[10:45] <clivejo> so usr/include/calligra/*.h ?
[10:45] <clivejo> dont need them
[10:51] <Riddell> clivejo: right
[10:51] <Riddell> clivejo: you started with the version in the wily archive right?
[10:51] <clivejo> hummm, I copied all the missing files to kate, then tried to copy 486 lines back into not-installed and it crashed konsole :/
[10:52] <clivejo> more hung it
[10:53] <clivejo> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/Konsole-hUVzK2wC.1435143189.jpg
[10:56] <Riddell> clivejo: why are you trying to edit not-installed yet? just check the output of dh_install --list-missing for files not in not-installed
[10:56] <clivejo> I have
[10:57] <clivejo> there are 595 missing files
[10:57] <clivejo> 486 are .h files
[10:58] <clivejo> which I was adding to not-installed
[11:00] <clivejo> there are 62 usr/lib/*.so files that look important
[11:03] <Riddell> clivejo: usr/lib/*.so aren't important
[11:03] <clivejo> so add them to not-installed too?
[11:05] <clivejo> ok down to 48
[11:05] <clivejo> Ill pastebin these
[11:05] <clivejo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11767150/
[11:06] <clivejo> those calligraactive ones go in calligraactive.install?
[11:07] <Riddell> clivejo: don't you have an existing not-installed file?
[11:07] <clivejo> yes
[11:07] <Riddell> clivejo: calligraactive is dead, except upstream haven't listened to themselves so they still install bits, but we don't package it so you can ignore them too
[11:08] <Riddell> those 4 /usr/bin at the start are testing and will be in not-installed
[11:09] <Riddell> and krita gemini and sketch is dead too as I remember, replaced by calligra gemini
[11:09] <Riddell> but checkout in #calligra if unsure
[11:09] <Riddell> so aye they're all good for not-installed
[11:11] <clivejo> Ill put the active files into the active package, just to keep it right
[11:11] <clivejo> there is a package defined calligraactive.install
[11:11] <Riddell> clivejo: calligraactive.install is still around but it's not listed in debian/control so the result will be just the same (nothing happens with them)
[11:12] <Riddell> probably neater to get rid of calligraactive.install
[11:12] <Riddell> clivejo: kamoso in git and in beta PPA, when apol appear we can ask him if he wants it in the archive or just in a PPA
[11:12] <clivejo> ok Ill do that
[11:13] <clivejo> remove it and put the entries in not-installed
[11:13] <Riddell> groovy
[11:14] <clivejo> should it be ./usr or usr?
[11:14] <Riddell> good news is calligra is about the biggest packages get so if you can handle it you can handle a lot :)
[11:14] <Riddell> not-installed should be ./usr  I think
[11:14] <Riddell> that's what our kubuntu-automation scripts expect when checking it
[11:14] <Riddell> for some reason
[11:15] <clivejo> ah
[11:18] <clivejo> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: can't extract name and version from library name 'libkdeinit4_karbon.so'
[11:19] <clivejo> anything important?
[11:19] <Riddell> clivejo: that's fine to ignore, those libkdeinit libs are just subs to load the application as a library rather than a whole new process which speeds up load a bit
[11:20] <Riddell> so they're not real libraries and the magic shlibs which finds the libraries an app wants gets confused
[11:20] <clivejo> oh a problem : dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/kexi-xbase-driver/usr/lib/kde4/kritadefaultdockers.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[11:21] <Riddell> hmm
[11:22] <clivejo> 10 errors like that so far
[11:22] <Riddell> hi prth, how's summer of code going?
[11:23] <prth> hi Riddell, great :)
[11:24] <Riddell> clivejo: hang on, kexi package installing krita plugin looks wrong
[11:26] <Riddell> (oh make sure kritalutdocker.so and krita_lutdocker.desktop are in not-installed, they're installed specially in debian/rules)
[11:26] <Riddell> clivejo: what's in kexi-xbase-driver.install ?
[12:43] <santa_> clivejo: may I suggest you a couple of things for kamoso?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:20] <clivejo> kexi-xbase-driver.install: usr/lib/kde4/*.so
[13:20] <clivejo> usr/share/kde4/services/calligra/*.desktop
[13:22] <clivejo> sure santa_, I was away from keyboard, looking for a 3/4inch thread die!
[13:22] <clivejo> just go easy, Im new to this all
[13:22] <santa_> ok
[13:22] <santa_> 1. fix the watch file
[13:23] <santa_> 2. set the package version as 3.0.0~alpha
[13:23] <clivejo> how do I do that?
[13:24] <santa_> clivejo: man uscan + inspect the watch file of krecipes as a source of inspiration
[13:25] <santa_> after that uscan and uscan --force-download should work properly ;)
[13:25] <santa_> try to figure it out on your own, but if you can't just ask me later
[13:26] <Riddell> santa_: I merged in some changes to kamoso into the debian git archive
[13:27] <clivejo> do I fix it to be unstable?
[13:27] <Riddell> including a change to the watch file
[13:27] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/unstable/kamoso/kamoso-3.0-alpha.tar.xz ?
[13:27] <Riddell> clivejo: ooh did you do that to debian/kexi-xbase-driver.install ? that should be reverted
[13:28] <clivejo> Riddell: no, I didnt touch that
[13:28] <santa_> clivejo: you can have both stable and unstable, see the watch file of oher packages
[13:28] <Riddell> clivejo: should be like this https://paste.kde.org/pexttfozw
[13:28] <santa_> I don't remember a concrete one
[13:29] <clivejo> Riddell: where did you get that from? or you make it yourself from the README?
[13:31] <Riddell> clivejo: I got it from the existing package in the archive I got with apt-get source calligra
[13:32] <clivejo> hummmm, thats the one I took :/
[13:32] <clivejo> there was two
[13:32] <Riddell> it's also in bzr here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra/files/head:/debian/
[13:33] <Riddell> bzr on launchpad is the older place we keep our packaging in revision control, most of it has moved to debian git pkg-kde team now
[13:33] <clivejo> I still dont understand bzr
[13:36] <Riddell> clivejo: you don't have to as we're moving to git, do you understand git?
[13:36] <Mamarok> git is easy to learn, you only ever will use 10 commands or so for everyday use
[13:36] <Mamarok> I guess I never used more than 6
[13:37] <Mamarok> and there have been a lot of blog posts about git on planetkde in the last few years
[13:37] <clivejo> I know a little bit, but still lot more powerful than I know
[13:38] <Riddell> git is more powerful than anyone can know
[13:38] <Riddell> it's why I was reluctant to learn it for a long time
[13:39] <Mamarok> well, you don't have to learn all of git, I guess that not even Linus knows on the top of his head
[13:39] <Mamarok> just because there are a bazillion of options dosen't mean you need all of them, or are you reluctant to use ls on a command line because there are like 50 options to it?
[13:39] <clivejo> but surely if I can push and pull code thats all I need to know :P
[13:40] <Mamarok> clivejo: you need clone, push, pull, rebase, status, and a few more, that's pretty much all you will ever need
[13:41] <Mamarok> and have your initial settings right, the techbase.kde.org wiki has a nice list on how to do a basic configuration
[13:49] <santa_> when dealing with rebase I suggest to use "qgit --all" to inspect the results
[13:49] <santa_> that helped me to understand how rebase works
[13:49] <santa_> and same for merges
[14:02] <Riddell> ximion: membership 20:00UTC tomorrow (22:00 central europe)
[14:25] <mparillo> I see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/342/builds is out for Alpha 1. Is it really ready for installation testing (I have been applying updates to Wily for a month now)?
[14:37]  * Riddell looks
[14:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: I should be around for the meeting tomorrow evening
[14:38] <Riddell> mparillo: they're a couple of days old and there has been a bunch of stuff transitioned since then so I've asked for a rebuild and it should be good to test in an hour or so
[14:40] <mparillo> Thanks. I will look for a testers call then.
[14:41] <Riddell> mparillo: it'll be quietly announced on this channel
[14:43] <mparillo> Hmm, I did not think of it as quietly announced, but more the standard protocol to announce it here with the bang testers.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> Riddell, what's to be tested ,...was disconnected for a few mins so I din't see any info
[14:45] <Riddell> BluesKaj: alpha 1 candidates when they're build, should be done in an hour or so http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/342/builds
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ok thanks , I'll be around
[14:47] <BluesKaj> but I have another desktop freeze so gotta reboot again
[15:12] <Riddell> new images are in
[15:12] <Riddell> !testers | go test iso alpha 1 candidates
[15:12] <Riddell> hmm no mparillo on that
[15:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: could you fix ^^
[15:12]  * Riddell out
[18:31] <santa_> murthy: https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/kubuntu-kf5-experiments
[18:32] <santa_> patched ark
[20:39] <murthy> santa_: Tested Ark from the ppa you gave. It works, ark is able to extract the zip file properly. Tested the gui and also on command line. Thank you so much!
[20:41] <santa_> murthy: ok, would be interesting to compress a file with the windows menu and non-ascii characters and see if it works
[20:41] <santa_> but please note that the patch is going to be somewhat controversial
[20:41] <santa_> non upstreameable, can't share with debian
[20:42] <santa_> it depends on ubuntu's infozip & unzip :(
[20:43] <murthy> sure, ya I know. You guys discuss with the team members and ask team if they are ok with a downstream patch
[20:45] <BluesKaj> ok testing alpha wily-desktop image here, and so far so good after installing the roght graphics driver (nvidia-340). Nouveau wasn't working very well when switching between VDs
[20:47] <BluesKaj> Konversation is still slow to switch between chats, almost 2 secs
[20:47] <murthy> santa_: just tested ark for zipping, it works properly
[20:53] <santa_> ok
[20:55] <murthy> santa_: Windows menu is the dolphin's context menu right?  I have no Idea of how to test with a non-ascii characters
[20:55] <murthy> santa_: Can I create a file with kate which contains non ascii chars
[20:57] <santa_> murthy: in the filename
[20:57] <santa_> the patch from debian was meant to solve that problem
[20:57] <murthy> santa_: "ஏன் இனிய தமிழ் மக்களே" Is this ok ?
[20:57] <santa_> but it broke ark in other ways
[20:57] <santa_> sure
[20:59] <santa_> murthy: also would be nice if you could mail me the file
[20:59] <santa_> I would like to inspect it with an hex editor
[21:00] <murthy> santa_: I tested the original and the extracted with kdiff and it says they are binary equal
[21:00] <murthy> santa_: extraction of files with non-ascii filenames is successfull
[21:01] <santa_> great
[21:01] <murthy> santa_: so do you need the files? 
[21:02] <santa_> murthy: would be nice to have them, yes
[21:03] <santa_> could you mail them? you have my mail address in a priv query
[21:03] <murthy> santa_: how can I give you and what are the files you want? some of the original and extracted, just the non-ascii filenamed files ?
[21:04] <santa_> the zip file you created with windows
[21:04] <murthy> p******t@gmail.com?
[21:04] <santa_> yeah
[21:04] <murthy> santa_: you mean dolphin?
[21:06] <santa_> hmm, windows
[21:06] <santa_> that's the only platform I haven't covered
[21:07] <santa_> I already have one file created with macos, another in linux
[21:07] <santa_> but I don't have one from windows
[21:07] <santa_> wait, have you created the file with dolphin?
[21:07] <murthy> santa_: I don't have a kde installation on windows
[21:07] <murthy> santa_: ya
[21:08] <murthy> santa_: I cant test any kde stuff on Microsoft windows
[21:08] <BluesKaj> murthy, why not ? :-)
[21:08] <santa_> ah, ok.
[21:08] <BluesKaj> KDE for windows 
[21:09] <santa_> murthy: what I meant was: 1. create a *.zip file in windows and 2. extract it with ark
[21:09] <murthy> BluesKaj: Last time I tested it, windows is degrading kde
[21:09] <murthy> santa_: I have pzip in linux, wont it work?
[21:10] <murthy> santa_: I have peazip in linux, wont it work?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> murthy, I was just kidding ..I tried KDE on windows and it's pretty clunky
[21:10] <murthy> I knew you :)
[21:10] <BluesKaj> Ok 
[21:11] <BluesKaj> murthy, try unp , it will extract almost any compressed file
[21:11] <murthy> checking
[21:14] <BluesKaj> anyway , gotta go ..have fun , later
[21:14] <murthy> santa_: I will try compress a some files in windows using winrar on windows and extract it in linux using ark and compare it. I will send the compressed file from windows and the extracted files to your mail id
[21:15] <murthy> need to reboot, will be back soon
[21:16] <santa_> murthy: whatver you do, must be a zip file, please let me know in the email how you created it
[21:58] <murthy> santa_: I have sent you the mails with the zips and original files
[21:59] <murthy> Its 3:30 am here, going to bed see you later
[22:00] <soee> we wont have non LTS nvidia drivers available in drivers manager ?