[00:52] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I would try the MultiROM thing but I've never have messed with that
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-goes-on-sale-june-25
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> finally
[05:25] <jcbjoe> hi
[05:25] <jcbjoe> i noticed that ubuntu touch stable is at r20 .. is that 15.0 or still 14 ?
[06:14] <sturmflut2> jcbjoe: which channel exactly, for which device?
[06:43] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <sturmflut2> dholbach: Morning!
[07:39] <robin-hero> Hey all! I tried to compile ubuntu-docviewer-app, but when I try to start it, I get the following error: module "QtQuick" version 2.3 is not installed
[07:39] <robin-hero> Any suggestion?
[07:41] <sturmflut2> robin-hero: Most likely the app requires a higher framework that you have installed
[07:41] <sturmflut2> robin-hero: #ubuntu-app-devel might be the right channel though
[07:41] <robin-hero> sturmflut2: Thanks, I tried that channel too :)
[09:40] <wligtenberg> Hi, just curious, is anybody working on supporting android wear on Ubuntu Phone?
[09:41] <popey> wligtenberg: not that I'm aware of
[09:41] <popey> wear is very tied to android
[09:41] <popey> that would be like asking if people are working on Apple iWatch & Ubuntu
[09:41] <popey> .. more likely is that someone might work on Pebble Time with Ubuntu :)
[09:41]  * popey tickles cimi 
[09:42] <wligtenberg> @popey, for apps running on the wear device I agree. But I would guess that pairing them and sending notifications would be something we should be able to get to work.
[09:42] <popey> Good luck :)
[09:43] <cimi> :)
[09:43] <cimi> popey, for the pebble the jolla app might be a goot start
[09:43] <cimi> good
[09:43] <popey> true
[09:43] <cimi> popey, https://openrepos.net/content/smoku/pebble
[09:45] <wligtenberg> @popey: Apparently someone hacked something together for ios already. :) http://bgr.com/2015/05/11/moto-360-android-wear-to-iphone-connection/
[09:46] <popey> well, I look forward to seeing your contributions :)
[09:48] <wligtenberg> yeah, I saw the announcement for the new Meizu, and that is a phone that seems very nice. And I would like to switch. Just thinking if my moto 360 then turn into something useless or not. And how difficult it would be to get something basic going.
[09:49] <cimi> wligtenberg, I think it might be harder with android wear than pebble to be honest
[09:49] <wligtenberg> cimi, probably, but I do own a moto360, no pebble :)
[09:50] <cimi> wligtenberg, you can always sell it, I am a happy owner of a kickstarter pebble time :)
[09:51] <wligtenberg> cimi, that is an option, but not the most appealing to me. I don't like the looks of the pebble. :)
[09:51] <wligtenberg> I will try to do some digging into the protocol. And at least write that down somewhere.
[09:51] <cimi> wligtenberg, pebble time looks MUCH nicer than the old pebble, and to be honest looks nicer in reality than pics
[09:52] <cimi> wligtenberg, however, the frame around the screen scratches SO easily :/
[09:52] <wligtenberg> call me old fashioned, but I like my watches round :)
[09:52] <cimi> popey, just ordered 3 gadget wraps for the frame...
[09:52] <wligtenberg> No scratches on the moto360 yet (and I have it for a while now)
[09:53] <wligtenberg> cimi, you maybe could get something 3d printed :)
[09:54] <cimi> wligtenberg, yeah, build quality of the pebble time is not good
[09:56] <popey> cimi: blimey, you got the steel?
[09:56] <cimi> popey, the normal time
[09:56] <popey> whats a gadget wrap?
[09:56] <cimi> popey, but the frame is steel anyway, just with a cheap PVD coating on top
[09:56] <popey> ah
[09:56] <cimi> you scratch away the pvd coating when you find a harder material
[09:57] <popey> oh gadget wraps are covers?
[09:58] <popey> neat
[10:48] <sturmflut2> Is there an "official" way to get the device name when confined?
[10:51] <sturmflut2> popey, mzanetti, ogra_: ^^
[10:52] <mzanetti> no clue
[10:52] <popey> device name?
[10:53] <sturmflut2> popey: "krillin", "arale" etc.
[10:53] <sturmflut2> popey: The field system-image-cli -i shows
[10:53] <popey> look at the system-settings code, it knows in "About this phone"
[10:53] <popey> but that is probably a deb and thus unconfined
[10:54] <sturmflut2> Yep, I was about to say that that one runs unconfined
[10:55] <popey> why do you need to know from an app?
[10:57] <sturmflut2> popey: Someone on the mailing list asked how to do device detection because he has to work around bugs in gstreamer on different devices. I am obviously going to reply that this has to be fixed and not worked around, but it was an interesting question
[10:58] <popey> yeah
[10:58] <popey> it's an unsustainable thing IMO
[10:58] <popey> once there are 100 devices out there ㋛ - how will they maintain it
[10:59] <sturmflut2> Especially because he wants to do it via SoC/CPU detection, there will be more than one device with the same SoC (krillin and vegetahd already share the same), and there might be different bugs on devices with the same SoC
[11:00] <ogra_> sturmflut2, the android properties might be accessible via an upstart/dbus service ...
[11:00] <popey> quite fancy a vegeta
[11:01] <ogra_> getprop ro.product.name ... not sure if you can pull that from the session bus though ... check the code of system-settings
[11:12] <joo-_> Hi. Just got the Aquaris E5 ubuntu phone. But i really dont see how i can enable ssh... i remounted / read-write and did apt-get install ssh, that usually does the trick, but no service is running on port 22
[11:12] <ogra_> eeek
[11:13] <ogra_> dont remount rw ... sshd is preinstalled and preconfigured ... you just need to switch it on
[11:13] <joo-_> oh
[11:13] <joo-_> i wonder how to switch it on then
[11:14] <ogra_> joo-_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/348714/how-can-i-access-my-ubuntu-phone-over-ssh/599041#599041
[11:15] <joo-_> do i have to follow the adb guides on the internet? I dont know if this is based on android or linux actually
[11:15] <ogra_> android-gadget-service enable ssh ... works from the terminal app too
[11:15] <zyga> ogra_: back to the topic of rw /
[11:15] <ogra_> zyga, there is no such topic :P
[11:16] <zyga> ogra_: eurasia was always writable... ;-)
[11:16] <zyga> ogra_: (mount should be patched)
[11:16] <ogra_> mount should be removed :P
[11:16]  * ogra_ grins
[11:16] <zyga> ogra_: -o yes-i-did-read-http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WritableRoot
[11:17] <ogra_> instead of making anything writable people should start to develop scripts that work around writable root completely ... there is no need at all to make your root writable
[11:18] <zyga> ogra_: path of least resistance
[11:18] <ogra_> you can run containers and chroots in the writable space
[11:18] <zyga> ogra_: "what does an engineer do when he sees a burning garbage bin?"
[11:18] <ogra_> without having to break your readonly rootfs
[11:18] <joo-_> i suppose i cannot just do this in the terminal, i will still need to copy my key and stuff before i can connect right?
[11:19] <zyga> joo-_: phablet-shell
[11:19] <ogra_> zyga, depends, does he have a smartphone with camera with him ?
[11:19] <joo-_> i now used android-gadget-service and enabled ssh and when i cannect now i get no matching cipher found: client blowfish-cbc,arcfour server aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com
[11:19] <zyga> ogra_: heh, in the joe they would put the fire out
[11:19] <zyga> ogra_: "what does an engineer do when he sees a normal garbage bin?"
[11:19] <zyga> joke*
[11:19] <ogra_> joo-_, right, you need to put the key in place ... wget is preinstalled so if you have your pub key somewhere downloadable you could just wget it
[11:20] <joo-_> yeah i guess, i am just getting very tired of typing long commands on a touch screen hehe :-)
[11:20] <zyga> joo-_: this is all much easier with phablet-shell
[11:20] <ogra_> heh, yeah, well, use adb to push it over
[11:21] <joo-_> thanks guys i guess there is now hope again for me :-) But how am i supposed to install stuff by apt-get without mounting root?
[11:21] <zyga> joo-_: you're not supposed to in the outer root
[11:22] <joo-_> ok so like in a ch-rooted environment instead?
[11:23] <ogra_> joo-_, while you indeed can make the system rw and use apt on the rootfs, you will get into trouble long term ... the system wasnt designed for apt (beyond building it from debs) so updating packages will eventually fail ... also, if you make any changes and use OTA upgrades your changes will be reverted
[11:24] <ogra_> the OTA concept is based on having a diff between two readonly rootfs images ... for that the server needs to have an identical rootfs to your phone to base this on ...
[11:24] <ogra_> if you make changes to the base, thisngs get reverted (best case) or even break (worst case)
[11:25] <ogra_> using apt is fine for developers who regulary re-flash their device, it isnt a long term solution for users
[11:29] <BOHverkill> how can i install (and configure) openvpn on my e4.5?
[11:31] <ogra_> BOHverkill, it is already installed ... just put your credentials under /home/phablet somewhere and write a script to start it
[11:32] <BOHverkill> O.o
[11:32] <ogra_> (there is no UI for it yet, but it is on the roadmap afaik)
[11:33] <BOHverkill> who needs a gut :P
[11:33] <BOHverkill> *gui
[11:33] <ogra_> sudo openvpn --daemon --config /home/phablet/.myvpn/myvpn.conf
[11:34] <ogra_> something like that will work
[11:34] <BOHverkill> k thx i will try it
[11:35] <ogra_> oh, if there is a username in your config you indeed want to adjust it for th phablet user
[11:35] <BOHverkill> i use nobody i think
[11:36] <ogra_> well, my configs usually have the keys in ~/.$vpndir ... so the config defaults to /home/ogra and stuff ...
[11:36] <ogra_> which i need to adjust to make it work
[11:50] <sturmflut2> jhodapp: Ping
[11:52] <sturmflut2> It's incredible how easy it is to cross-compile most software on the desktop once you've figured out "click chroot run" and some environment variables
[11:53]  * zyga wonders if click chroot is based on qemu-static-arm
[11:57] <sturmflut2> cking: Ping
[12:02] <sturmflut2> cking: Ah, you already fixed the high CPU usage in one of today's evenstat commits
[12:02] <cking> sturmflut2, there are a couple more issues than need fixing, I'm working on them now on a device that can reproduce the issues
[12:03] <sturmflut2> \o/
[12:03] <cking> well, it will be \o/ once I've got a fix :-)
[12:04] <sturmflut2> cking: Oh, that was too early. I'm on commit 03db70584a1a8903331b0c6b9e56a1ab89c99cb3 right now and it consumes more CPU the longer it runs
[12:04] <cking> sturmflut2, yep, it's WIP
[12:13] <sturmflut2> popey: Do we have an existing bug about the picture quality setting in the camera app not working properly on arale? The camera has 20 megapixels, the output file is always 14.7 megapixels and only the compression level changes
[12:14] <popey> sturmflut2: i dont see one in any place I'd expect it
[12:15] <sturmflut2> popey: Okay, the camera-app has two bug lists
[12:15] <popey> they are different sizes here
[12:15] <popey> it does?
[12:15] <sturmflut2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1355051
[12:16] <popey> oh
[12:16] <popey> so someone needs to move all those bugs
[12:17] <popey> but I agree with kaleo, we shouldn't move them to the distro
[12:17] <popey> file them in lp:camera-app
[12:17] <Kaleo> did I say something?
[12:17] <Kaleo> :)
[12:17] <Kaleo> oh right
[12:20] <sturmflut2> popey: Strange. I just took the same picture with each quality setting, all three files have 2880x5120 pixels (which is wrong for arale), the file sizes are 930kB, 1.3 MB and 2.9 MB.
[12:21] <sturmflut2> popey: I already noticed it on r1 and it's still so on r2
[12:21] <popey> ok, do file a bug in camera-app then, and attach the different pics pls
[12:21] <popey> let me know the bug number and i'll reproduce here
[12:22] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, quality setting corresponds to levels of JPEG compression
[12:22] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, not resolution
[12:23] <sturmflut2> Kaleo: Yeah, but the resolution is still wrong, the MX4 has a 20 MP camera and not a 14.7 MP one
[12:23] <sturmflut2> I have no idea where "14.7 MP" even comes from
[12:25] <sturmflut2> Errr, am I stupid or is it wrong on krillin as well
[12:25] <sturmflut2> krillin has an 8 MP camera, the files are 2448x4352 = 10.6 MP
[12:26] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, MX4 has a 5248×3936 back camera indeed
[12:29] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, and BQ E4.5 has a 3264×2448 back camera
[12:32] <mcphail> sturmflut2: the final resolution of the picture isn't always the same as the resolution of the sensor, though (I think). There's a lot of jiggery-pokery goes on in firmware with interpolation and oise reduction before jpeg processing
[12:34] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, the reason is very likely that qtubuntu-camera uses a prioritized list of aspect ratios to decide on which resolution to pick
[12:35] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, the list has first the aspect ratio of the display
[12:35] <Kaleo> sturmflut2, followed by 16.0f/9.0f, 3.0f/2.0f, 4.0f/3.0f, 5.0f/4.0f
[12:36] <popey> thanks for the info Kaleo
[12:37] <Kaleo> popey, I'm not sure why it was done like that, so it could very well be a bug
[12:37] <cking> sturmflut2, i've fixed that CPU hogger issue, just trying some other fixes now
[12:48] <sturmflut2> mcphail: Sure, I could understand that images are scaled down on arale, but there is no point in scaling them *up* on krillin
[12:49] <svij> sturmflut2: that might be the interpolation-"feature"
[12:49] <mcphail> sturmflut2: the early android phones had camera modules which scaled up with dodgy interpolation algorithms
[12:49] <sturmflut2> Hmpf
[12:50] <sturmflut2> I'll open a bug, in the worst case it gets assigned "Wishlist"
[12:50] <mcphail> sturmflut2: we tried to hack one to get RAW sensor output. It was a complete black box. No idea if krillin's camera is the same
[13:43] <PhilippeP> Hello everybody
[13:45] <PhilippeP> sharing a picture to facebook does not work anymore, wheel spins then fail without notice ... any hint to where to look , any log ?
[13:45] <PhilippeP> on Bq4.5
[13:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, ^ :)
[13:51] <jgdx> PhilippeP, if you have a shell on the phone you can kill the content-hub-service and restart it with CONTENT_HUB_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 content-hub-service
[13:52] <PhilippeP> jgdx: I'll try that
[14:19] <joo-_> No email or calendar app or anything for ubuntu except webbrowser based ?
[14:22] <dobey> joo-_: there's the calendar app in the store, and also dekko for e-mail
[14:46] <kenvandine> jgdx, that's probably not content-hub-service, but the facebook webapp
[14:55] <pundir> jgdx, hi.. terminal app yes. I dont have adb working yet but I do have serial port (UART) access to the ubuntu-touch device.
[14:56] <pundir> all i'm missing is the shell/console/terminal access to the system to get in
[14:56] <pundir> I tried modifying init.rc to launch /system/bin/sh unconditionally on boot but no luck so far.
[15:16] <sturmflut2> mcphail: Bargh, RAW mode would have been so nice. But I don't know of any Android phones that offer one, so most likely the drivers don't even care to support it.
[15:18] <sturmflut2> One day Ubuntu on phones will go from "there's a bug report for that" to "there's an app for that " ;)
[15:20] <sturmflut2> john-mcaleely: Ping
[15:21] <john-mcaleely> sturmflut2, pong
[15:22] <sturmflut2> john-mcaleely: regarding bug 1468077, if you see any problems with the way I measured, just tell me what to change and I'll repeat. I tried to make sure that I actually report something that makes sense, but I am not 100% confident
[15:23] <john-mcaleely> thanks sturmflut2 we need to get someone assigned to look into that
[15:23] <john-mcaleely> and then come back to you if there are questions
[15:23] <sturmflut2> Yay, questions!
[15:23] <john-mcaleely> my bet is some legacy android blob we've not tracked down
[15:24] <sturmflut2> john-mcaleely: my guts tell it's the GPU, it also generates a lot of timer events when the phone sleeps, but I can't prove it
[15:25] <john-mcaleely> oh, maybe. and that neatly explains the mx4 vs bqaq4.5 diff
[15:25] <john-mcaleely> gpu's also use lots of memory without trying
[15:25] <sturmflut2> Suddenly it all comes together!
[15:27] <sturmflut2> If it's the GPU, that would somehow explain why the disparity becomes larger and larger the more UI apps are started
[15:29] <sturmflut2> cking: There is no way to account the memory allocations of drivers and kernel threads, is there
[15:30] <cking> sturmflut2, i'm not sure about that one, never give that a thought before now
[15:31] <cking> sturmflut2, perhaps cat /proc/modules ?
[15:31] <cking> argh, not ignore that
[15:32] <sturmflut2> cking: I don't think it is, drivers and kernel threads don't have their own address space. Solaris had a Kernel Memory Allocator Debug Module, it could tell you a list of all allocations made within the kernel
[15:32] <sturmflut2> But wait, maybe with ftrace and kprobes...
[15:34] <sturmflut2> The idea might be insane enough to try it
[15:34] <cking> sturmflut2, i think it's non-trivial for sure, there aren't any easily user space readable /proc interfaces to get this kind of info
[15:35] <cking> s/easily/easily readable/
[15:36] <sturmflut2> cking: I have to finish that article on ftrace some day anyways, why not use this as a good example. I'll see what I can come up with, there are some long train journeys ahead of me...
[15:42] <OerHeks> "Not many ubuntu-phone buyers return the phone" \o/ dutch: http://webwereld.nl/mobility/86631-veel-tevreden-ubuntu-phone-kopers--zegt-ubuntu-phone-maker
[15:46] <varikonniemi> hello, will the meizu mx4 support desktop mode? IT seems to have the mhl support
[15:46] <Elleo> OerHeks: yeah, the verge article quoted low single figures which is very cool :)
[15:47] <OerHeks> Not surpisingly, the bq 4.5 is technically oke, totally worth it. and consumers are aware that ubuntu-touch is something different, with a big perspective.
[15:48]  * kenvandine really loves the bq... 
[15:49] <kenvandine> it would be my daily driver if it wasn't stuck on edge in the US :/
[15:50] <john-mcaleely> varikonniemi, it does not support it today
[15:50] <k1l_> i think at the end of the year i need to look out for a new one to replace my n4. and since i dont see a n5 2015 coming i would love to see what the mighty convergence phone will be.
[15:54] <varikonniemi> john-mcaleely, that i know,but it will once the support is added ?
[15:54] <pundir> jgdx, nevermind. i figured it out.
[15:55] <john-mcaleely> varikonniemi, we won't know that until later in the year
[15:57] <k1l_> imho, at this stage you need flagship-like devices to get the nerds (the devs) to use and program for the platform. but seems like with the cheaper devices it works quite well with the average user?
[15:58] <renatu> hey pitti, are you around?
[15:59] <renatu> I have a question about dbus-mock :D
[15:59] <k1l_> looking back at the android start with the g1 and the motorola milestone/droid. that were targeted at the technical guys, not at the average joe. but imho the convergence will attract a lot technical people
[16:03] <kissiel> Hey there, popey!
[16:03] <popey> kissiel: hello
[16:04] <kissiel> popey: got another checkbox-touch release :)
[16:04] <popey> \o/
[16:04] <popey> fire away
[16:04] <kissiel> popey: https://launchpad.net/checkbox-touch/trunk/1.2/+download/com.ubuntu.checkbox_1.2.0_multi.click
[16:04] <kissiel> popey: relnotes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11768421/
[16:05] <kissiel> popey: btw. I'm playing around with packaging multiple apps into one click (we want to have some tests run with different - confined - policy)
[16:05] <kissiel> popey: and lint is not happy about it
[16:05] <kissiel> popey: should I worry?
[16:08] <popey> kissiel: was it tested on a device?
[16:08] <kissiel> popey: the click I sent?
[16:08] <kissiel> popey: ye
[16:08] <popey> ok
[16:08] <kissiel> popey: krillin and flo
[16:08] <popey> kissiel: ok, all done
[16:09] <kissiel> popey: lovely, thanks!
[16:10] <kissiel> popey: when You asked "was it tested" I was like "OMG, I uploaded borked click" :)
[16:10] <popey> haha
[16:10] <popey> gotcha :)
[16:11] <kissiel> popey: that means I should have more 'confidence inspiring' test methodology
[16:11] <kissiel> popey: so I can panic less :D
[16:11] <popey> hah
[16:31] <dobey> lol
[16:32] <dobey> "confidence inspiring" test methodology reminds me a bit of the monty python skit in the meaning of life about the tiger in africa. "i wouldn't worry about it. your leg should grow back in a few days." "thanks for the reassurance, doc!"
[16:37] <kissiel> dobey: +1
[16:53] <Zabuldon> Hello! Maybe someone can help me woth the porting of ubuntu touch to Cyanogen Based device? AOSP not available for my device (HTC desire 816)
[16:58] <om26er> salem_, Hi!
[16:58] <om26er> salem_, how can I re-enable my real SIM with ofono-phonesim package installed ?
[17:01] <om26er> boiko, ^ do you know ?
[17:04] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, the GPU driver also spills a lot of errors in logcat ... (libEGL and IMGSRV) ... if i run something like "sudo /system/bin/logcat -d -b main *:E" to list all fatals ...
[17:04] <ogra_> (and a lot of gps and agps stuff )
[17:06] <interested_user> Hello, community, Does Ubuntu Touch have calDAV, cardDAV support. Something that works easy like on the iphone. No Terminal-Commands. Thank you.
[17:09] <popey> interested_user: not yet
[17:10] <ogra_> i think there was some commandline way documented, but definitely no UI way yet
[17:10] <ogra_> (it will come for sure ... just a matter of time ... or of people sending patches :) )
[17:14] <boiko> om26er: wily?
[17:14] <om26er> boiko, its vivid and I think I have found a way
[17:15] <om26er> boiko, I edited the -autostart script and commented a few lines
[17:16] <boiko> om26er: you basically need to reload ofonod loading the correct plugins, and change the ofono account to point to /ril_0
[18:04] <kenvandine> popey, for the calendar event sharing/downloading, do you think ContentType.Event makes sense?
[18:05] <kenvandine> which can support other formats as well
[18:11] <popey> kenvandine: sounds reasonable
[18:12] <kenvandine> popey, ok
[18:12] <kenvandine> popey, i'm working on it now :)
[18:12] <popey> thanks!
[19:28] <muka> I need some advice. Looks like today's upgrade (r235) stopped my phone from working, I can not make calls. Is it possible to downgrade image? I found this: ubuntu-device-flash --revision=225 --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu
[19:32] <awe> kenvandine, I just added a note about powerd requiring clients that request SysState to remain connected to the system dbus session
[19:32] <awe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/powerd
[19:32] <awe> powerd grabs the owner unique name, and then watches the bus for it to leave
[19:33] <awe> if it does, 5s later, any associated SysState requests are cleared for that 'owner'
[19:36] <brendand> muka, i believe you can reflash without specifying --wipe, as above and that will preserve your data. it's not something i've done before though
[20:02] <kenvandine> awe, thx, will be helpful next time someone goes looking
[20:02] <kenvandine> awe, question is, would it be easier to add another state besides active that doesn't watch the connection?
[20:03] <kenvandine> or... make indicator-network or network-manager manage it
[20:03] <awe> I wouldn't be proposed to such a change
[20:04] <awe> ChickenCutlass, rsalveti, ^^
[20:04] <awe> kenvandine, ChickenCutlass == revision 1
[20:04] <awe> ;D
[20:05] <kenvandine> awe, i just want to land the hotspot feature :)
[20:08] <awe> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/powerd/+bug/1450568
[20:08] <kenvandine> yeah...
[20:09] <kenvandine> i think the most technically correct place to handle this is network-manager
[20:09] <awe> looks like ricmm's original bug.  I'd want an ack rsalveti, Chicken or ricmm to adding a new mode.  I think that's a clean way to fix it.  That said, we could easily add logic in the indicator, so I guess I'd lean that way
[20:09] <kenvandine> but... that is clearly not the easiest
[20:10] <awe> well...I wouldn't say it's not easy, it's just one more patch we need to worry when working with upstream
[20:10] <kenvandine> that's what i mean, having a delta from upstream costs
[20:10] <awe> that said, if you want to write the patch, I'll review it
[20:10] <awe> ;)-
[20:10]  * kenvandine doesn't plan to touch network-manager
[20:10] <awe> yes, that'd be a good career move
[20:11] <tathhu> :D
[20:12] <awe> so I guess I'll leave it to you for now.  I for one, would entertain a powerd patch, but we'd also have to patch the cli, and then we end up with yet another script in lxc-android-config
[20:12] <awe> that's not really documented, and changes the system networking behavior
[20:41] <muka> I get : Cannot push .... to device: free space /cache/recovery is 542M. How can I free it?
[20:52] <muka> OK. What happens if I delete all files from /cache/recovery/?
[20:58] <dobey> muka: can you boot the device and connect to it with phablet-shell?
[20:58] <dobey> in ubuntu that is, not recovery
[21:00] <muka> yes
[21:02] <dobey> muka: instead of trying to flash again with u-d-f, you might want to switch to the more stable 15.04 channel
[21:03] <dobey> muka: there is no intention to release a supported version of wily on phones. the devel-proposed images exist to test things, but you probably shouldn't be using it if you want an actual somewhat stable phone that you use daily
[21:04] <muka> dobey: not sure what you mean by u-d-f, but I'm trying this: ubuntu-device-flash  --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu. all works fine until I get  Cannot push .... to device: free space /cache/recovery is 542M
[21:04] <dobey> muka: u-d-f == ubuntu-device-flash
[21:05] <muka> oh
[21:05] <dobey> muka: but it sounds like you are on devel-proposed from your earlier complaint about image 235 breaking
[21:05] <muka> yes
[21:05] <muka> i'm trying to change that without wipe
[21:05] <dobey> muka: so my suggestion is to do "sudo system-image-cli --switch" on the phone, to switch to the more stable channel
[21:06] <dobey> the phone will need an active wifi connection to download the image though
[21:07] <muka> wifi works, but "sudo system-image-cli --switch" no chennel?
[21:07] <muka> channel
[21:07] <dobey> yes you need to specify the channel too
[21:08] <dobey> i just don't recall what the stable channel is for mako at the moment
[21:08] <dobey> rc-proposed maybe
[21:08] <dobey> if you don't want stable stable
[21:08] <dobey> but slightly less stable stable
[21:09] <muka> ok thank you
[21:10] <dobey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer maybe
[21:17] <extraymond> Hi! Anyone know how to get gps working on nexus4? More specifically, do anyone know what channels support here maps's agps service?
[22:07] <Rich> anyone know how to view the data usage?
[22:08] <dobey> as in cellular data usage?
[22:09] <Rich> Yes that is the one. Like in android, get a warning on the monthly cap?
[22:09] <Rich> I jus got the HD phone and a little worried, being new and all that, it will burn throw my awful 700meg a month limit.
[22:09] <dobey> no, i don't think there is any way to view that locally on the device at the moment. if your provider has a web site where you can view it, you could perhaps create a web app for it though
[22:10] <tathhu> Äh, thank god I live in Finland :l
[22:10] <Rich> I thought this might be the case, bit of a shame. I guess took Android quite a few revisions to get that kind of functionality.
[22:11] <Rich> Yer, UK sucks on phone deals.
[22:11] <dobey> well, some providers have special exceptions and such, which make local data tracking kind of moot anyway
[22:12] <tathhu> I gotta get proper case for my Nexus 7 so I could run ubuntu on it.. :D
[22:12] <dobey> like, t-mobile us has unlimited music streaming from various services, so even though i've streamed 2.5 GB of music, i've only used about 200 MB of data
[22:12] <tathhu> Cheapeiest one on ebay just suck, can't swipe :D
[22:12] <Rich> I don't really know that much of how all this works. was hoping that in the network settings for the sim would show data usage. No idea if that is a statisic sent from the providor or the phone tracks it.
[22:13] <dobey> i'm not sure. i know android definitly isn't getting it from the provider though
[22:13] <Rich> I'm stuck on EE as they the only people who get a signal where I live.
[22:14] <Rich> Ah that is intresting, so sounds like the phone could be out of sync.
[22:14] <Rich> the android on that is
[22:15] <dobey> i think android probably just tracks bytes transferred on the physical network interface
[22:15] <dobey> we could possibly do that in ubuntu too, but would take a fair bit of work i think
[22:16] <Rich> Would be a good bet. I would imagine it would have to be at the OS level as you can have apps having access to the data stream. (guessing a bit here)
[22:16] <Rich> can't
[22:16] <Rich> not can
[22:17] <Rich> Only got my phone yesterday, not dug into it yet. Not to be void of the samsung bloat on my Note 3.
[22:18] <dobey> right, it would be a change in the system level, you can't provide an app in the store to add the feature
[22:18] <Rich> Nice not, Not. silly typos.
[22:18] <DonkeyHotei> i just switched to the note 3
[22:19] <dobey> all an app could do would be get info from the provider over the internet, or just be a webapp that opens the provider account page
[22:19] <Rich> Good phone, don't get me wrong. But loads of apps getting updated all the time I can't uninstall.
[22:20] <Rich> That is not a bad idea dobey. But may end up being a bit specific. Unless they all have a standard REST interface.
[22:20] <dobey> no, that would be too hopeful :)
[22:21] <dobey> you could report a bug about data usage tracking not being available, at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network perhaps
[22:21] <Rich> I do a load of steam stuff at work, they web interface rocks. Json and REST. All you need. Ah thanjs for the link, was googling for that got a bit lost. Coming back to ubuntu after a years back packing in Windows 8 land. ;)
[22:28] <Rich> Thanks for the help. Bug submitted. Hopefully I've done it correctly.
[22:28] <Rich> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1468530
[22:35] <dobey> Rich: great, thanks
[22:35] <dobey> and now i must leave :)
[22:50] <muka> Rich, not perfect but you can try installing nload.
[22:51] <Rich> Is that on the store?
[22:53] <muka> no, your phone must be read-write mode and than sudo apt-get install nload.
[22:53] <muka> in terminal
[22:54] <Rich> I see, ok. Only got it yesterday. Need to reconnect my Ubuntu HD to my PC first. Had to run Windows for a bit for some Uni work. Will look at that when I'm back up to speed. Ta. :)