[00:21] linux 4.1: •EXT4 gains file-system level encryption (thanks to Google) [00:23] D: [00:24] so as long as you trust google we're good? [00:35] lol [00:36] what advantages does that have over the current layered approach [00:36] intrbiz: it actually understands files [00:36] so [00:37] intrbiz: it's like "what advantage does bundling multiple-device support into the fs layer have over the current layered approach" [00:38] well the advantage of the layered aproach, is one set of code can encrypt any filesystem, thanks to the layering [00:39] and by encrypting the entire block device, limits any potential metadata leaks [00:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem-level_encryption [00:51] https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqy61q5fgwg4w14/IMG_20150624_013941.jpg?dl=0 [00:51] just a wee download for this new Samsung Note 4 [01:03] 40 minutes! [01:03] it's really crawling compared with my tubes capability, yeah [01:03] totally not been that mind you [01:04] that's silly - maybe it's doing it over cellular? :-p [01:04] the seconds are going - 2 per second [01:04] nah no SIM [01:04] granite house :> [01:04] you won't get above EDGE in here [01:04] EDGE is painful [01:04] in walesland I had like a 5000ms ping [01:04] (yes, 5 seconds) [01:04] lol [01:05] meant doing anything was impossible [01:05] rage inducing [01:05] ♪ if i had the only 2400baud modem in the world... :-) ♫ [01:14] rough calculations suggest a throughput of 13Kbit/s [01:14] basing on the 5ish second latency and a 64Kbit connection speed [01:15] (formula gained from: http://bradhedlund.com/2008/12/19/how-to-calculate-tcp-throughput-for-long-distance-links/) [01:15] maybe I did that wrong tho [01:17] ok, redoing the calculation basing on better numbers (I think) suggests 6Kbit [01:17] 6Kbit/s [01:18] again, 64Kbit/s connection speed [01:22] I still think I've done it wrong [01:24] article doesn't window scaling [01:24] which will ramp up the window size asumming low packet loss [01:25] doesn't mention* [01:26] ok, yeah, around 6Kbit/s throughput (without scaling) [01:27] or that might be an order of magnitude out [01:38] someone check my calculation: 65536 = bits/s connection speed; 1Gbit divided by connspeed = 1*1024*1024/65536 = 16; tcp window size divided by 16 = 524288/16 = 32768; finally 32768 / latency in seconds = 32768/5 = 6553.6bits/s or 6KBit/s or 0.8Kbyte/s [01:38] I really can't figure out if my logic is correct tho - it's late and my brian isn't working [03:16] there's illumination on the horizon [03:19] cue birds tweeting annoyingly loud outside === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [06:56] morning [07:06] good moaning [07:10] hey diddledan__ [07:17] allo knightwise [07:20] just finished up the podcast rec on my review of the xps13 [07:40] morning [07:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irNBGuklQiU [07:41] (another ubuntuphone) [08:16] Morning all [08:17] This morning's track in my head that I just can't shake, singing in the rain, I ask you :D [08:26] popey: you awake yet ? [08:27] ya [08:29] did you catch the link i sent ya ? [08:30] yeah, not looked yet [08:31] ok. np [08:38] morning [08:38] MooDoo: me owld mucka [08:38] m00 [08:39] how are you davmor2 and diddledan__ with the tail [08:39] I'm good ta [08:49] morning boys and girls. [09:18] Good morning peeps :) [09:18] intrbiz: re-pong [09:18] * diddledan holds his nose [09:19] re-pong is worse than pong because you're doing it a second time [09:19] stinky! [09:20] http://bsodanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/samsung-deliberately-disabling-windows.html === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:49] MooDoo: I'm good thanks you? sorry lots of work and pings :) [12:50] davmor2: not to worry mate === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:02] hey, will linux servers crash at the leap second 2015 next week? [14:04] Tempting to be deviant....but I can't bring myself to be so [14:04] ujjain: no [14:04] I have a very old kernel and I can't update it though [14:05] Linux 3.2.0-38-virtual #61-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 19 12:37:47 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [14:11] ujjain: no - but individual daemons might [14:11] you'll just see "Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC" in dmesg [14:13] Can anyone recommend a good board/cpu/case for a home server / transcoding build? currently looking at http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/MpNFxr and wondering if anything better is available [14:36] Azelphur: http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers/814483-421 [14:38] Azelphur: or http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/fujitsu_tower_servers/svfuj-t1311sx070 with £100 cashback [14:40] Azelphur: also http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-amd-fm-performance-bundle--includes-a88xm-a-fm2---a10-7700k--corsair-8gb-ddr3-vengeance-pro--B8P5.html?src=3 if you want to build yourself [14:41] Azelphur: but to be honest if it is mostly a server buy a server :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:32] I filed a bug in mozilla! :-o https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177098 [16:32] Mozilla bug 1177098 in Untriaged "registerProtocolHandler raises an NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS exception: "aWindow.QueryInterface is not a function"" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:33] :o [16:43] bbl === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [17:27] Interesting question, I have a 5TB drive with data on it, I have two more 5TB drives that are empty. Can I set up RAID5 without having to move the data off the 5TB somehow? [17:32] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_single_drive_system_to_RAID [17:32] seems needlessly complicated :) [17:33] http://raider.sourceforge.net/ may be better [18:05] popey: it's archlinux ofcourse it is overly complicated :P [18:05] hehe [18:10] hmmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/11769090/ [18:10] keeps dropping off the sata bus [18:10] my windows boot disk, which is annoying [18:11] have a feeling it's just the connector [18:13] ugh sandforce [18:14] yeah, it's one of my older ssds [18:14] think it's probably due replacement [18:14] popey: your means of getting GTA goodness aren't hugely successful are they? :) [18:14] haha [18:15] how'd the Amazon prod go with regard to the iffy drive btw? [18:15] i am not convinced the hdd was iffy now [18:15] did they want it back, or? [18:15] oh? but it had 14 sectors awaiting remap? [18:15] too much like coincidence to have two drives in the machine fail [18:15] yeah, this one is more important to fix first [18:15] did that ddrescue run through fine to clone it? [18:15] amazon initially refuse to take it back because it's beyond the 1 month [18:15] yes [18:16] ah good good [18:16] so I have another disk in the machine [18:16] i'd zero fill it to force all the remaps to complete, then have another look at the smartctl output to see what the final tally of remaps is [18:16] yeah, once I fix this ssd :) [18:16] *nod* [18:16] its doing a smartctl long test [18:16] 48 mins left [18:17] IME if the cabling is all fine, all wonky SSDs seem to behave after a nice secure erase [18:19] hrmm i should drop that mates WD Purple serial number into my account to have it reg'd [18:19] i wonder if you can label them to know which belongs to whom [18:20] well, it's interesting here to note that in a USB caddy this disk hasn't failed at all [18:20] yet it fails off pretty much immediately after boot in desktop [18:20] hrmm [18:20] so could be as simple as a cable as you say? [18:21] yeah, hopeful [18:21] * popey goes to make food and stop watching this disk light flash :) [18:22] :D [18:22] oh yeah it's getting that sorta time [18:22] popey: you are going to watch it over ssh on your phone aren't you [18:23] XD [18:26] popey: you byobu has a raid item right ;) [18:40] bah [18:40] its now dropped [18:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11769256/ [18:41] thats bad [18:42] wowzer [18:43] heh SSD in RPM shocker [18:45] yeah, maybe I shouldn't have it on a high speed turntable [18:45] :D [18:45] that'd fit so well if Windows was boot looping [18:46] i have a plan [18:47] one day [19:02] Right, so we're gonna dd zeros on this original 4TB, right daftykins ? [19:06] * popey kicks off a smartctl -t long on it [19:06] popey: yep [19:06] guess I could dd zeros while smart does its thang [19:07] on the same, or on the SSD? [19:07] ssd is toast [19:07] this is the 4TB [19:07] ah ok [20:22] * popey puts ssd in server and tries to get something off it with ddrescue [20:22] worth a punt, if it works I can dd it back to another disk and I'm back up and running [20:23] ^_^ [20:24] found another ssd on my desk which I could use, but it's 5G smaller, so will need to mount the image and shrink the partition inside it [20:24] or I could use something else, ah I dunno. [20:25] mmm i've had to perform too much trickery with clonezilla to get around a size mismatch like that [20:25] once I get it into an image I can happily play around with it [20:25] might just be easier to put it on a bigger disk tho [20:26] assuming I get the data off this! [20:26] doin' the ol' chess manouevre of thinking many steps ahead :> [20:26] ha [20:27] yes, i have a plan! Got a spare 2TB disk I think I'll use instead. [20:27] ddrescue: input file disappeared: No such file or directory [20:27] haha [20:27] that fails then [20:27] * popey will keep trying [20:27] surely not much to it beside a stock Windows install? [20:28] yeah, it's just the time hassle [20:28] I'd just rather not [20:29] hmm, could be equal! [20:29] would be nice if Microsoft respun media regularly, to stop the Windows Update wait [20:29] yeah, there's tons on there I dont want to reinstall [20:31] ah i was assuming it was there for the games alone [20:32] daftykins: the windows 10 isos are refreshed every time a new build comes out :) [20:32] but that's betas [20:32] yeah, its mostly games but there's a few other things on it [20:33] and it has accounts for the kids with their nonsense [20:33] MartijnVdS: yeah so completely moot reply, but given the new rolling release approach who knows? maybe they'll do periodic ones === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:00] yawn [23:10] harrow [23:26] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33237863