[04:49] yea man I really really dislike KDE Identity valorie lol [04:49] that's too bad [04:49] it works for me [04:50] it never works outside of userbase [04:50] I just started using openid [04:50] I hate my identity name because you didn't use to be able to chose yours [04:50] I heard about that from ovidiu-florin [04:50] so I was assigned "zimmerman" [04:50] ugh [04:50] oh [04:50] but whatever [04:51] * ahoneybun wonders where sitter's script is to pull the... oh right -docs package should have it [04:51] it always works for me, and I like the search [04:51] also I was one of the people urging that it be created [04:52] before Identity you had separate logins *everywhere* [04:52] Identity? [04:52] it really sucked [04:52] oh [04:53] another thing I need is to get the new format to work with khelpcenter [04:53] I could and have converted the reST to docbook [04:53] but it does not work [04:54] I wonder if there is a plugin [04:54] the #kde-docs chan or list is your friend [04:54] yea [04:55] * ahoneybun joins [04:55] valorie: did you notice my boucer? [04:55] yes, it's great that you are around more [04:56] I have a VPS with ZNC [04:56] and backlogs working [04:56] :) [04:56] very nice [04:56] got a free 50bucks credit from Linode [04:57] so I said why not [04:57] excellent [04:58] so a few months free [04:58] 10bucks a month +2 bucks for backups [05:18] damn docbook [05:18] ? [05:46] Gooood morning :D [05:54] XD [05:55] * ahoneybun falls into his bed [06:05] the new website was (finnaly) set up by canonical and available here: http://www-new.kubuntu.org/ [06:05] I'll try to review it after work today [06:05] * ahoneybun notes it is missing links to the Documentation. [06:06] haha, you said you went to bed! [06:06] He did I am his bot [06:06] lol [06:07] I wonder if irc had steam achivements if getting mistook for a bot would be one [06:07] I'm only awake trying to get my chromecast working right [06:08] amazing how long it took to get that website staged [06:09] yep [06:21] ianorlin: And tiered achievements for total times where your only message to a channel was 'lol' [06:21] But I digress :D [06:22] ovidiu-florin: Looks good, real nice :) [06:25] Etriaph: lol [06:30] ovidiu-florin: The site is looking great. Only thing I would suggest at this point is minifying and gzipping the assets (css|js) [06:30] Just before it goes into production anyway. [06:40] Etriaph: why? it's all on github [06:41] ovidiu-florin: I'm not sure I follow, what's all on github? [08:00] Good Morninig :-) [08:19] Good morning. [09:54] thanks for iso testing mparillo === mck182 is now known as mck182|lunch [10:29] YW. I got kinda stuck on the Encrypted one. Is anybody else trying it? [10:29] If the test window is still open, I could test some iso's this afternoon. [10:30] Ah, seems open. I'll test this afternoon. [10:32] lordievader: It looks like nobody has tried 64-bit at all. I was having trouble with Encrypted in a VM (which worked for 15.04). So maybe that combination would be a good one? [10:33] Ah, I usually prefer the 64bit image :) [10:33] It'll be among the tests I'll perform ;) [10:34] What is nice is that for a few weeks the ISO would not get me a GUI on my little Acer netbook (I could control alt F1, and login to a shell), but it does now. So that was my live and dual-boot (SxS auto-resize) test. And the normal full install was toa VM [10:35] Sorry for the typos. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349151 [10:35] KDE bug 349151 in general "Spell-Check No longer working" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:40] Also, would you be able to test the upgrade process? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330 And do you know how I can tag the bug for Wily so it shows in the list of Wobbly milestoned bugs? [10:40] Ubuntu bug 1464330 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Release Upgrade Stalls on Kubuntu Upgrade to Wily" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:00] Riddell: ksysguard wont be fixed before A1 release ? [11:26] mparillo: Apart from the spell check bug some people are experiencing problems with regional format settings. I have a feeling that this might be related. Are you working on the spell check bug? [11:30] Howdy folks [11:30] BluesKaj: hi [11:30] Hey murthy [11:37] soee: no there seems to be a bunch of unrelated stuff blocking plasma bits from transitioning [11:51] oh but yay libkgeomap is in [11:52] murthy: Other than reporting it, no, I am not workign on it. (there it goes again!) [11:53] murthy: I liked the Plasma 4 regiojnal settings. I could be en_US, but still use YYYY-MM-DD dates and HH:MM times. [11:54] jlayt has spent lots of time on it in kde and qt and seems to have been burnt out by it, it's not at all easy [11:55] mparillo: There might be a good reason why they created the sonnet framework, since it is new it may be buggy. Lets wait for some stabilization and see [11:56] Hey Riddell , running the alpha image here and so far so good altho the nouveau driver was very flickery, with the compositor set to Open GL 3.1, when changing VDs, but installing the nvidia-340 driver solved that problem. Trying to set special wimdow and application settings to remember the chosen size crashes the window manager, but not the app. That's what I've found so far...nothing real serious IMO. [12:02] lovely thanks BluesKaj, mind and put it in iso.qa site [12:07] Riddell ok , i'll wait til this evening to report it there, in case I find any other problems. [12:08] mparillo: I won't be able to test the upgrade process, I'm afraid. [12:26] anyone used k3b under wily? === mck182|lunch is now known as mck182 [12:45] mparillo_: Luks seems to work here. [12:48] clivejo, yes, but it fails a lot of the time, so i use wodim instead [12:51] it is failing for me, but the disk is being burnt ok [12:53] I ntried to burn the Wily alpha iso with k3b yesterday, but it errored out. It's been like that for a while now and was also misbehaving on Vivid. [12:55] I use unetbootin, and only recently learned it is in the repositories. [12:56] lordievader: So maybe it is my VM then. TY. [13:02] Hmm, X does seem broken a bit... [13:04] Ah, the oemconfig still doesn't remove the oem autologin. [13:04] Riddell: ^ [13:05] fooey [13:06] Also it ain't on the desktop ;) (It is installed) [13:13] Hmm,plasmashell didn't start correctly. I needed to kill it and restart it to fix the black desktop. [13:13] mparillo_: Have you seen ^? === Neo31` is now known as Neo31 [13:17] Ah on reboot it did start correctly. [13:18] I think I did with earlier ISOs on my little netbook. I would ctrl alt f1 and I could login to a shell, but I could not startx [15:19] anyone fancy making an alpha 1 release wiki page? [15:19] mparillo? [15:20] oh you're ahead of me :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/Kubuntu [15:23] mparillo_, lordievader, BluesKaj: did anyone run a successful upgrade from 15.04 or should I delete that bit? [15:24] ah the page already says it doesn't work [15:25] Haven't ran any upgrade tests. [15:56] Riddell: Sorry, but I created the wiki page and the upgrade page. [15:56] mparillo_: don't be sorry that's a good thing! [15:57] Sorry I was away ($work). And yes, I got stuck on the upgrade, and was hoping somebody could confirm. [15:59] Looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330 is confirmed [15:59] Ubuntu bug 1464330 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Release Upgrade Stalls on Kubuntu Upgrade to Wily" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:01] Riddell: need a spell and grammar check ont he release wiki page? [16:01] ahoneybun: please. and politics [16:02] * ahoneybun really needs to write down how to log in [16:20] there is no way to upgrade to 15.10 [16:20] even kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade? [16:21] cant you change all sources to wily, do a apt-get update and upgrade? [16:22] I have never gotten that to even work in Debian [16:22] *to work even in [16:23] clivejo: we will not tell the users to edit the sources.list file [16:23] oh, thought this was a personal question for you! [16:24] I've never changed the sources.list to do that [16:24] working anyway [16:28] hummm I have killed kontact [16:28] yea.. [16:29] I hate computers! [16:30] why do we have a link to upgrade to 15.10 after saying it does not work? [16:30] Riddell: ^ [16:30] clivejo, are you having one of those "i'll just drop tech and become a gardener instead" moments? [16:30] ahoneybun: lazyness mostly, so we don't have to write it again next time [16:30] Sho_: just a bit snowed under [16:31] * ahoneybun is wondering if valorie will do that [16:31] lol [16:31] I have a laptop in that keeps actiating the webcam in Win 7, but not sign of an injection [16:31] Riddell: I don't mind adding it in later [16:32] fighting with K3B to burn boot disks [16:32] nothing wants to work [16:32] I blame Riddell and caligra [16:32] calligra? [16:33] yes forgot an l [16:33] clivejo: use a USB? [16:33] my USB sticks have gone walkies [16:33] clivejo: install cdw and use the command line ;) [16:34] and now Kontact wont open its main window [16:35] Im getting notifactions of incoming mail, but cant open them! [16:35] and to top it off my hands wont type properly [16:36] I think I need a reboot [16:40] I'm not how to write the current situation better then that Riddell on the release notes [16:40] I'll think a bit more [16:40] I think it's important to be honest with our users [16:40] I know and think so as well [16:41] bug fixes will happen as we need to iron out things with 15.10 no? [16:43] ahoneybun: depends if someone wants to do them [16:46] very much true [16:51] ok I've saved my changes [17:34] Riddell: after a reboot I logged in to find I was in openbox!?! Is the default desktop set by us? [17:36] fwiw I noticed also more options I have never seen like Wayland === prth_ is now known as prth [18:23] Wow you must be special. but I did notice some mir libraries when I was upgrading the other day. [18:24] But I have re-booted a couple of times from a clean Alpha1 RC1 install to SDDM and straight to Plasma. === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [18:38] mparillo_, make sure to install kubuntu-desktop or you'll end up with no desktop after your first set of upgrades [18:39] on the next boot [18:40] BluesKaj: Thanks, I will look for that. If I run into it, I will comeback asking for a launchpad bug to confirm. [18:44] mparillo_: ahh ok, I am not on Wily. And perhaps because I am on the CI build. [19:36] That was quick: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/wily/alpha-1/ [19:47] anyone have screen tearing when messing with display conf? [19:50] Mamarok, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK, valorie, ximion: meeting in 10 mins? [19:50] what meeting? [19:50] oh ok [19:50] oh [19:50] uhm [19:50] probably [19:51] Maybe. In the car. [19:52] The Alpha is out, but is the release announcement made? I have Kubuntu News ready. [19:53] how do you guys meet? [19:53] mparillo_: go for it [19:54] clivejo: we go to akademy which is in 1 month's time, want to come along? [19:55] clivejo: we also have online meetings like the one in 5 mins which we'll just have here, do stay around and join us in the grilling [19:55] where is it? [19:55] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-wily-alpha-1 [19:55] I need to drive and not crash my car, so I deputize Riddell to vote in my place. [19:55] I appreciate him volunteering to step up. [19:56] yes, meeting in moments [19:56] clivejo: Akademy is in Spain this year [19:56] Riddell: yes, works for me :) [19:56] bit of a trek [19:57] ye[ [19:57] *yep [19:59] clivejo: that's part of the fun of free software, you get to travel the world [19:59] often there's funding for it too [19:59] funding is my problem [19:59] clivejo: where are you based? [19:59] and Im not that good [19:59] Ireland [20:00] lots of cheap ryanair flights from there [20:00] ohthat is not far away, we have people from the US and India going to Akademy [20:00] right, 22:00, meeting time [20:00] * Mamarok waves [20:00] Mamarok, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK, valorie, ximion: ping [20:00] yo [20:00] who's all here for the membership meeting of ximion? [20:00] how do I listen in to the meeting, or is it private? [20:00] o/ [20:00] clivejo: it's public [20:00] clivejo: we just chat here [20:00] oh [20:01] I thought it was like a voice/cam chat thing [20:01] o/ [20:01] ximion: about? [20:01] cos while I"m quite enjoying sitting on this beach my battery will run out in a bit :) [20:01] o/ === soee_ is now known as soee [20:02] yes, we need to be business-like today and move this right along [20:02] the main actor not around yet? [20:02] busy day here [20:02] he was here a minute ago [20:02] ximion: it's all about you now :) [20:03] his membership application is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthiasKlumpp/KubuntuMembershipApplication [20:03] o/ [20:04] hey :) [20:04] * ximion was reading the backlog [20:04] me too [20:05] ximion! [20:05] going to be a scorcher here today, and I had to do some watering in advance of the meet [20:05] ximion: so who are you and why do you want to be a Kubuntu member? [20:05] suppose to hit 100 here :( [20:05] ahoneybun: but I will never give up my kubuntu community! [20:06] lol [20:06] * Riddell advocates the delights of hacking on the beach in hot temperatures [20:06] hot temperatures? Where? [20:07] we have had an aveerage of 12°C the last week [20:07] the west coast, Mamarok [20:07] inland it's supposed to get over 100 here in Washington -- I guess Scarlett gets hit by that too [20:07] :( [20:07] Riddell: (et al) I am Matthias, Debian and Freedesktop developer, and, in a nutshell, I would like to join Kubuntu because I use it often and would like to contribute things more directly, than going the indirect path via Debian [20:08] nice :) [20:08] also, I quite enjoy the Kubuntu developer and user community:) [20:08] I especially love that you are Debian and Freedesktop [20:08] ximion: when you say make appstream for ubuntu a reality, do you have any idea of how you'll do that? [20:08] ximion: do you do some work directly in KDE as well? [20:10] Riddell: to get something done quickly, one could generate the metadata locally and make a package out of it - all the tools for it are available for a while now. To do a fully integrated solution, as planned for Debian, there is no way around implementing it in the Soyuz module of Launchpad [20:10] which is quite a challenge, needing Canonical people ;-) So option 1 would be the primary goal [20:11] (we do that in Tanglu already, but will soon switch to the Apt-based solution - I hope to talk about the details with the Apt crew next Debconf) [20:11] ximion: "Work on CI and automated testing for more packages " I'm not too hot on that (and I just removed a bunch of tests to get packages in to the archive) do you have any thoughts on how to do that? would you do automated ISO testing? [20:12] valorie: yes, mostly minor things, like debconf-kde and Apper together with Daniel Nicoletti - but for the past months my activity has mostly been fixing occasional bugs === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [20:13] we use debconf-kde in kubuntu quite a lot, thanks for that [20:13] more packages kept back in wily: kde-telepathy-call-ui ksysguard ksysguard-data ksysguardd libpurple0 libtelepathy-farstream3 [20:14] Riddell: OpenSUSE has a pretty neat tool called OpenQA which I would like to utilize for Debian-based distributions as well - but I haven't yet looked deeply into that, it's on my "cool future projects" list ;-) [20:14] yep openQA may well be a good idea, I'm yet to work out if it's really open or not, it's only suse currently [20:15] Riddell: most kudos should go to Daniel - he was diving really deep into the protocol at that time (and we even thought about doing a DBus-based implementation to make it a bit saner :P) [20:16] sourcs for openQA are available, but - just like the build service - it's very SUSE-centric [20:16] ximion: how is the state of Freedesktop nowadays? It use to be a Gnome stronghold with little respect for KDE at some point,how much has that improved? [20:17] and is it a systemd stronghold now? :) [20:18] sgclark, ahoneybun, clivejo, yofel, shadeslayer: anyone got questions? [20:18] mparillo_? [20:19] Mamarok: not at all, unfortunately - I am pretty unhappy with it actually due to several "decisions" made. In fact, I am planning to send an email to the XDG list to highlight a few of the main issues I see with XDG at time. I am just seeking allies to see if I am the only one who dislikes the current state, or whether this is a more common problem [20:19] the main issue with XDG is that it's basically annarchy [20:20] I fear it's very common, they take decisions totally disregarding what others might think [20:20] and you mostly get stuff done by knowing people, which is really not how it should work ;-) [20:20] hmmm, there are quite a few basic KDE things that are now using it [20:20] so it's important [20:20] I have no questions, I am however looking forward to working with ximion on the future contributions! [20:20] ximion: you might consult with the plasma devels about that too [20:20] valorie: we are using them because we don't have a choice, but quite a few decisions were taken totally over everybodies heads [20:21] would be good to improve the situation [20:21] so it's great to have an in, with ximion [20:21] Mamarok: Freedesktop doesn't define "standards", its original purpose was a collaboration point to toss ideas and code around to eventually evolve a de-facto standard [20:21] I think the plasma and KWin people would be very interested in having a foot more in it [20:21] and it really does this badly today ;-) [20:21] Riddell: not really [20:22] if there's no more questions shall we vote? [20:22] xciowell, the problem is that there is no collaboration at all [20:22] since years [20:22] sitter, any questions? [20:22] go ahead, I have none [20:22] I doubt sitter is around [20:22] hey yofel :-) [20:22] hey :) [20:23] thx shadeslayer [20:23] * valorie votes +1 [20:23] I vote +1 too for appstream goodness, I'll need that for my summer of code student [20:23] +1 from me [20:24] +1 from me as well [20:24] and +1 for ScottK who game me his vote [20:24] +1 for being great and helpful since kpackagekit times, and for being awesome in general [20:24] weeeeeeeeeeeee, welcome to Kubuntu Membership ximion [20:24] welcome ximion! [20:24] good to have you ximion [20:24] can someone else give him membership to ~kubuntu-members, I guess I'm unable to now [20:25] \o/ [20:25] welcome ximion, have fun :) [20:25] Riddell: I'll do it [20:25] who can pull the official levers so he can go apply for funding to Akademy [20:25] welcome aboard ximion :) [20:25] yay! [20:25] apply today, ximion [20:25] Riddell: btw, I've met your student on #PackageKit, seeking for advice [20:25] ximion: excellent, I guess I should join there too [20:25] done [20:25] \o/ [20:25] ximion: welcome to the group [20:26] thanks yofel [20:26] thank you yofel [20:26] Riddell: that would be very helpful, KDE is underrepresented ;-) [20:26] thank you everybody for making this meeting short and sweet! [20:26] hiho ximion :) [20:27] valorie: right, for Akademy funding I'd need some advice on what I should do [20:27] * ximion needs to learn the ways of a Kubuntu member [20:28] http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/ [20:28] you can get an ubuntu IRC cloak if you like [20:28] free LWN subscription [20:29] um [20:29] certificate signed by Mark Shuttleworth! [20:29] * valorie never applied for that [20:29] how do we get that? [20:29] I've never have gotten that [20:29] * yofel has his hanging on the wall - at least it looks nice ^^ [20:29] so clivejo keep packaging and doing fun stuff and you too can be grilled like that :) [20:29] or the LWN [20:30] calligra is NOT fun [20:30] lol [20:30] it can be a beast [20:30] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/ [20:30] valorie: I'm subscribed to LWN via Debian, but Debian never managed to apply my IRC cloak :D [20:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/LWN [20:31] Riddell: do you have a certificate ? [20:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks [20:31] those certificates must be printed on good quality paper, they cost the community fund about $500 a quarter [20:32] I don't have time to read LWN unfortunately [20:32] signatures cost money ! [20:32] clivejo: nope, and I can't get past the launchpad 2 factor authentication to get one [20:32] you can have mine, special offer $15 a pop [20:33] valorie: even when I'm in it?! [20:33] Riddell: thanks for filling in. [20:33] de nada [20:33] "Things we will not fund: Anything illegal." - meh, so running a Canonical-funded Meth-lab is not allowed ;-) [20:34] the cannabis club next to the barcelona office has shut down, there's a gap in the market for anyone willing to invest [20:34] Riddell: when someone gives me a link I read the article and comments [20:34] good mag [20:35] ximion: meth=Not Good! [20:35] I think Im going to rm calligra and start again [20:35] something is badly wrong [20:36] clivejo: I did say it was a beast, I'm sure there's easier packages to be done if you're feeling the pain [20:36] there's the whole of plasma 5.3.2 to do although that needs learning about our flakey scripts [20:36] applied for my certifacate heh [20:37] :-) [20:37] I only have 125 more backports to go... or I would do it [20:37] you are awesome, sgclark [20:37] * valorie goes to water the flowers [20:38] I could probably do calligra clivejo if you want to try soemthing else, up to you [20:38] valorie: for the amount of money you need - I bet they want the receipt, so as I didn't book a flight yet (will do that tomorrow), should I just enter an estimated value? [20:38] yeah we book and then I send back reciepts as we get them [20:38] wish I could watch you do it sgclark [20:38] need to learn [20:38] but I learn by doing [20:39] yeah same [20:39] Hi everybody, the link on the announcement page for the alpha points to an older version [20:39] if you come to akademy you can watch in person clivejo :) [20:40] it does [20:40] and watch me pass out on stage from firght :) [20:40] mparillo_: ^^ [20:40] fright* [20:40] it points to vivid: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-wily-alpha-1 [20:40] thanks mustafam [20:41] Welcome, thank you :) [20:41] fixing [20:41] thanks mparillo_ [20:41] * ahoneybun just sent a email for his LWN sub [20:43] ahoneybun: free LWN subscription was one of the best unexpected things that happened when I became DD [20:43] it's really great :) [20:43] I'm looking forward to that [20:43] ahoneybun: Can you refresh? [20:44] mustafam: Can you refresh also, and thank you. [20:44] mparillo_: works [20:45] Works fine, thanks [20:46] just wanted to try the new kde. Is there a desktop or session packages to install a minimal kde session? [20:47] I only know about kubuntu-desktop [20:48] I don't think our minimal "low-fat" version exists with plasma 5 [20:48] that looks like the whole sink to me [20:48] it is [20:48] how about plasma-desktop? [20:49] no - just installing that will likely leave you in a broken state [20:50] Riddell: actually I have had other requests for a "minimal" install, ^^ [20:52] even without recommends, kubuntu-desktop would need 370MB, plasma-desktop needs 270MB [20:52] I just wanted a kde session [20:54] sakang: you could try plasma-desktop [20:54] actually some are installed already because I have digikam installed [20:55] so these numbers are on top of what I already have [20:55] ximion: will try that. but is qml* stuff are really needed? [21:03] one more thing, I have LXDE and razor desktop in this system. Are the QTlibs they used are the same/or conflict with what kde uses? 15.10 iteration [21:05] btw, installing plasma-desktop as we speak. hopefully will work [21:08] why is systemsettings a recommend only? what is the kde equivalent? [21:10] This package is part of the KDE base workspace module [21:12] have to reboo [21:12] t [21:21] ximion: sadly, we are sorry Plasma closed unexpectedly. something about segfault- logout and/or complete system reboot [21:21] :) [21:21] sakang: I hope you installed the qml* stuff :D [21:22] on Wily we use QT 5.4.2 (not sure if fully) [21:22] it did [21:22] wily or vivid? [21:22] im not sure qhat version razor uses [21:22] wily [21:23] soee: libqt5core5a:amd64 5.4.2+dfsg-2ubuntu1 [21:23] so you are on *ubuntu distro ? [21:24] it's 15.10 with lxde/razor/openbox [21:24] yeah so yuo have the same qt as we [21:25] I'm guessing it has to do with the fancy desktop eyecandy. One of my previous complaint about kubuntu is having as default. [21:26] If only I could get to the desktop so I can disable it [21:26] is there a way of soing it on terminal with systemsettings? [21:27] I do have NVIDIA drivers installed. I know nouveau won't cut it [21:28] you want to disable desktop effects ? [21:28] absolutely [21:29]