| pitti | Good morning | 05:35 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:37 |
| Laney | hey hey! | 08:01 |
| Laney | 25/06 00:13:10 -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: chocolate-doom [amd64] (wily-proposed/multiverse) [2.2.0-1] (no packageset) | 08:01 |
| * Laney wonders what that could be | 08:01 | |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:02 |
| Laney | hey seb128! | 08:08 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 08:08 |
| seb128 | good! | 08:08 |
| seb128 | you? | 08:08 |
| seb128 | had a drive longer that expected yesterday though | 08:08 |
| seb128 | they are redoing some highway and changed the road to be 1 line in one way and 2 in the other | 08:09 |
| Laney | yeah good, did some planting out in the garden last night | 08:09 |
| seb128 | I was on the 1 line direction, and apparently a truck had issues and got stucked | 08:09 |
| Laney | one day i'll get some food out of this thing | 08:09 |
| seb128 | blocking everything for 1.5 hours... | 08:09 |
| Laney | had like 3 potatoes so far | 08:10 |
| Laney | oh man, that sounds dire | 08:10 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:10 |
| seb128 | well, I had my laptop, so I just debugged a bit that snappy image offline while stucked :p | 08:10 |
| seb128 | but it sucked being stopped in the middle of the road in the sun | 08:10 |
| seb128 | what did you plant in the garden? | 08:11 |
| Laney | some tomatoes and rocket | 08:14 |
| Laney | and some other things got upgraded to bigger pots | 08:14 |
| seb128 | watch out for the slugs ;-) | 08:16 |
| Laney | grr! | 08:17 |
| Laney | i hope that letting things get quite big in the pots first should help | 08:17 |
| Laney | then putting them in the ground after | 08:17 |
| seb128 | I guess it should help | 08:17 |
| seb128 | still they might eat your food :p | 08:17 |
| seb128 | bah | 08:17 |
| seb128 | is one supposed to be able to "upstart --user" from a vt or ssh? | 08:18 |
| Laney | I took a picture the other day... | 08:18 |
| seb128 | xnox, ^ | 08:18 |
| seb128 | Laney, to prove you had vegetables because having nothing left? ;-) | 08:18 |
| xnox | seb128: eh.... no. | 08:18 |
| seb128 | talk with pitti about beer traps :p | 08:18 |
| xnox | seb128: you can "join" existing graphical session though. | 08:18 |
| Laney | https://goo.gl/photos/877B43UqAHsaM4Dq7 | 08:19 |
| Laney | AAAAAAHHHHHHHH | 08:19 |
| seb128 | oh, snails, nice ;-) | 08:19 |
| xnox | seb128: export `cat /run/user/upstart/*.session` or some such, and then initctl --user should do the right stuff. | 08:19 |
| xnox | seb128: in theory launching `upstart --user` from vt/ssh should do the right thing, in practice it tries & fails to launch gui things. | 08:20 |
| seb128 | xnox, thanks, in fact that's on a snappy image and upstart-event-bridge seems to not like it according to .xsession-errors so I was trying to start it by hand to get debug info | 08:21 |
| seb128 | the log only says it exit 1 and is retried and fail the same way | 08:21 |
| Laney | seb128: you want to try to get wps & friends migrated? | 08:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, sure, but you need to tell me what to do because I didn't follow the details ;-) | 08:23 |
| seb128 | xnox, hum, with the export, it's better, it complains about not being about the connect to system Upstart, which is normal, that's a systemd system ... why is it trying to use the event bridge? | 08:24 |
| Laney | seb128: I think demote-to-proposed zygrib (FTBFS with new gda) and remove mapnik from wily-proposed should do it | 08:24 |
| seb128 | oh, in fact .xsession-errors has the same issue on my normal laptop | 08:25 |
| Laney | that's what you need to do, then I should be able to copy back the old version | 08:25 |
| seb128 | so I guess that's a redherring | 08:25 |
| seb128 | Laney, ok | 08:25 |
| Laney | maybe sync blacklist mapnik? | 08:26 |
| xnox | seb128: yes, i have a patch to do event-bridge under systemd, but i don't think it landed last cycle (cause phone was not a priority) | 08:26 |
| xnox | imho i could land a few more things and then slowly start kicking upstart from the user session out. | 08:26 |
| xnox | patriciadavila: ipv6 - respect! | 08:26 |
| Laney | I wonder why I'm not on via v6 | 08:27 |
| seb128 | xnox, that would be nice ;-) | 08:28 |
| seb128 | though user session might be way out | 08:28 |
| Laney | 25/06 09:28:49 [Freenode] -!- hostname : 2001:ba8:1f1:f1ab:216:3eff:fe14:af00 2001:ba8:1f1:f1ab:216:3eff:fe14:af00 | 08:29 |
| xnox | seb128: heh. well, between james and I, i'm sure we can cook something up =) | 08:29 |
| xnox | Laney: you have ipv6 too, or what's going on? | 08:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, ok, done the demoting&deleting from proposed, unsure about the sync blocking ... what is going to happen if it's synced back to proposed after the migration? | 08:29 |
| Laney | xnox: yeah but I was connected over v4, guess that is preferred still | 08:30 |
| Laney | seb128: I'm worried the broken transition will start again if they do another upload before it is ready | 08:30 |
| seb128 | Laney, let's see, worth thing we remove it again? | 08:31 |
| Laney | I guess we could deal in the same way if necessary | 08:31 |
| Laney | it's going in \o/ | 09:47 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 09:47 |
| seb128 | k, so recovery mode works on a normal install in wily | 09:48 |
| seb128 | seems like another snappy image specific issue :-/ | 09:48 |
| Laney | does this stuff work (exist?) on snappy core? | 09:49 |
| seb128 | "stuff"? | 09:49 |
| seb128 | I've no idea how recovery works, it's that by having "friendly-recovery" installed? | 09:49 |
| Laney | recovery, other problems that you have, do you compare? | 09:49 |
| seb128 | the boot entry has "recovery" | 09:49 |
| seb128 | compare what with what? | 09:49 |
| Laney | snappy core | 09:50 |
| seb128 | oh, core, sorry I misread before | 09:51 |
| pitti | seb128: friendly-recovery, yes | 09:51 |
| seb128 | I did compare some stuff, not for that one | 09:51 |
| pitti | but I don't think that makes much sense on snappy | 09:51 |
| pitti | if you ever land in it, you'll do more harm than good | 09:51 |
| pitti | and with the A/B partitions this Should Not Happen™ | 09:51 |
| seb128 | well my first motivation was that sudo was screwed and I needed a way to get a root prompt | 09:52 |
| seb128 | and if it's not useful it should not be listed in grub | 09:52 |
| seb128 | hum, friendly recovery is installed | 09:53 |
| seb128 | k need to go for lunch but I'm going to look more after that | 09:53 |
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| Sweet5hark | dpm: fyi, libreoffice is already way ahead on the size issue: https://twitter.com/samtuke/status/614021556675682308 | 11:19 |
| dpm | Sweet5hark, I might need some more context though: he's throwing a bunch of figures, but I'm not sure exactly what they mean | 11:20 |
| dpm | oh, msoffice | 11:21 |
| dpm | ok, you were comparing sizes | 11:21 |
| Sweet5hark | dpm: right -- MS will have lots of fun cutting that monster back down. | 11:22 |
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| mitya57 | Who is responsible for compiz packaging these days? | 12:02 |
| * mitya57 wants a review on his https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/compiz/switcher-plugins-in-default/+merge/262518 | 12:03 | |
| seb128 | mitya57, bregma&co | 12:10 |
| mitya57 | thanks! | 12:11 |
| seb128 | yw | 12:11 |
| mitya57 | bregma, ↑ — can you please review that? | 12:11 |
| Sweet5hark | lol@ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141137 | 12:36 |
| ubot5 | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1141137 in systemd "systemd sends SIGKILL imediately after SIGTERM during shutdown" [Unspecified,New] | 12:36 |
| Sweet5hark | ah, pitti is even in on the party ... | 12:37 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: we got that patch reverted in Debian and Ubuntu, does it affect us still? | 12:38 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: no, just saw it fly by on social media (someone requesting a systemd project maintainer attitude readjustment tool) | 12:41 |
| seb128 | bregma, hey, I saw you discussing with brandon about u-s-c, are you guys debugging issues with it? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | bregma, I'm having problems with unity8 on the snappy personal image | 15:02 |
| bregma | seb128, well, our problems is we're trying to use it in a way it was sort of designed to prevent :) | 15:02 |
| bregma | seb128, the log you posed looked like it had a bad library and that's what was preventing Unity8 from running | 15:03 |
| seb128 | bregma, the symbol error? | 15:07 |
| bregma | seb128, yeah | 15:08 |
| bregma | looks suspcious to me | 15:08 |
| bregma | seb128, was that log from Unity8 or from USC? | 15:08 |
| seb128 | bregma, that's bug #1458689 | 15:09 |
| ubot5 | bug 1458689 in mir (Ubuntu) "[vivid-overlay] input-stub.so fails to load on i386" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1458689 | 15:09 |
| seb128 | but removing the .so doesn't change anything | 15:09 |
| seb128 | bregma, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773781/ is usc | 15:10 |
| seb128 | bregma, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773784/ unity8.log | 15:10 |
| bregma | seb128, the USC log looks normal: it's just sitting there waiting for U8 to ack its start, which never happens | 15:11 |
| bregma | seb128, it looks like the nested Mir server in qtmir is not starting for whatever reason | 15:12 |
| bregma | at this point I usually resort ot using gdb in batch mode | 15:12 |
| seb128 | on what process? | 15:13 |
| bregma | copy /usr/share/upstart/session/unity8.conf into ~/.config/upstart and replace the exec line with a gdb command to run unity8 | 15:14 |
| seb128 | there is no way to get debug info in a log on why the nested mir server doesn't start? | 15:15 |
| bregma | seb128, you might be able to turn on the LTTNG loggin from Mir | 15:16 |
| seb128 | you would think some people did that before and it's documented ;-) | 15:16 |
| bregma | Mir? documented? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | lol, one can dream, no? ;-) | 15:16 |
| seb128 | bregma, when you gdb, do you usually b/stop on something? | 15:17 |
| bregma | seb128, I spent a lot of time using "catch throw" to stop when exceptions are thrown and get a backtrace | 15:18 |
| bregma | may not help in your case | 15:18 |
| bregma | seb128, looking at the qtmir code involved, it's all wrapped in threads and ends up just calling into the Mir libraries, I thing using LTTNG might be your most productive approach | 15:22 |
| seb128 | bregma, how do you do that? | 15:25 |
| bregma | seb128, you might want to ask the Mir devs, but you could start at http://lttng.org/docs/#doc-tracing-your-own-user-application and add commands to ~/.config/upstart/unity8.conf | 15:28 |
| bregma | I have a vague recollection of doing just that | 15:28 |
| seb128 | bregma, thanks | 15:30 |
| seb128 | that's less trivial that what I was hopping for there | 15:30 |
| * mitya57 wonders why bregma ignores him | 15:51 | |
| bregma | mitya57, I'm not ignoring you, I'm working through plenty of backlogs | 15:52 |
| bregma | always backlogs | 15:52 |
| bregma | mitya57, I'm not sure if we want to move that plugin into the core plugins or just have compiz-gnome depend on compiz-plugins instead | 15:55 |
| bregma | I need to discuss it with other devs | 15:56 |
| mitya57 | bregma: The latter won't much help because the session has TryExec=compiz, and thus it will show every time when compiz is installed. | 15:57 |
| mitya57 | If moving switcher plugin to -main is not an option, then I'll have to split compiz session to a separate package (which I don't want to do). | 15:58 |
| mitya57 | bregma: So please discuss it and let me know the result :) | 15:59 |
| bregma | mitya57, we'll comment on the MP when we have a conclusion | 16:00 |
| mitya57 | Thank you! | 16:00 |
| chrisccoulson | when starting unity 8 desktop, is anything meant to set QT_QPA_PLATFORM, and if so, what sets it? | 16:00 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session sets it in the unity8-desktop-session-mir package | 16:04 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, unity8 desktop doesn't run on my system, and never has done. I get this crash on startup: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/a111aea4-1b52-11e5-af4a-fa163e5bb1a2 | 16:05 |
| chrisccoulson | which looks like QT_QPA_PLATFORM isn't set | 16:05 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, yeah, you should never see references to xcb | 16:06 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, the alternative is you need to install the desktop graphics stack because Mir no longer pulls it in as a dependency | 16:06 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, what exactly do I need to install? | 16:07 |
| bregma | it gets seeded in the desktop-next ISO but it was only recently added as a dependency to the unity8-desktop-session-mir package | 16:07 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, try manually adding the mir-graphics-drivers-desktop package and see if it helps | 16:08 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, it looks like I've already got that installed | 16:09 |
| bregma | :( | 16:09 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, are you running on Intel hardware? | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, I am | 16:15 |
| bregma | hmm | 16:15 |
| bregma | wily or vivid? | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, vivid | 16:16 |
| bregma | very odd | 16:18 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, does it happen with unity8 or just unity8-dash? | 16:18 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, I have a crash report from unity8 at the same time - https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/94721788-1b52-11e5-b837-fa163e75317b | 16:19 |
| chrisccoulson | although, it doesn't look like there's a stack trace there | 16:19 |
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| chrisccoulson | bregma, how is the session meant to be started? In my lightdm.log, I see "Running command /usr/sbin/lightdm-session lightdm-unity8-session" | 17:34 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, unity8-desktop-session-mir provides the file /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/55-unity8.conf that tells LightDM what to do, which is basically run /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session | 17:36 |
| bregma | that script just sets some environment variables and runs upstart | 17:36 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, oh, I bet this is because lightdm hasn't been restarted since that file was installed | 17:37 |
| chrisccoulson | brb | 17:37 |
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| chrisccoulson | bregma, so, I can log in to it now. Only, I can't get past the first run bit because I can't pull the launcher out | 17:44 |
| chrisccoulson | Ok, I can do it with the mouse. Just not my touchpad | 17:46 |
| bregma | chrisccoulson, yes, that's a tragic limitation to the new Unity design | 17:57 |
| * bregma expects it to be fixed by the time it ships officially | 17:57 | |
| chrisccoulson | heh, I hope so | 17:57 |
| bregma | all my laptops have touchscreens | 17:58 |
| chrisccoulson | bregma, yeah, I don't have a touchscreen on my laptop | 18:02 |
| chrisccoulson | It's sort-of ok with the mouse, but unusable with the touchpad. The cursor actually wanders across the screen when I put my finger on the touchpad | 18:03 |
| chrisccoulson | right, so, webbrowser-app works on desktop-next again :) | 19:43 |
| chrisccoulson | well, locally anyway | 19:45 |
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