[05:35] Good morning === hypera1r is now known as hyperair === thumper is now known as thumper-bbl [07:37] good morning desktopers [08:01] hey hey! [08:01] 25/06 00:13:10 -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: chocolate-doom [amd64] (wily-proposed/multiverse) [2.2.0-1] (no packageset) [08:01] * Laney wonders what that could be [08:02] hey Laney [08:08] hey seb128! [08:08] how's it going? [08:08] good! [08:08] you? [08:08] had a drive longer that expected yesterday though [08:09] they are redoing some highway and changed the road to be 1 line in one way and 2 in the other [08:09] yeah good, did some planting out in the garden last night [08:09] I was on the 1 line direction, and apparently a truck had issues and got stucked [08:09] one day i'll get some food out of this thing [08:09] blocking everything for 1.5 hours... [08:10] had like 3 potatoes so far [08:10] oh man, that sounds dire [08:10] hehe [08:10] well, I had my laptop, so I just debugged a bit that snappy image offline while stucked :p [08:10] but it sucked being stopped in the middle of the road in the sun [08:11] what did you plant in the garden? [08:14] some tomatoes and rocket [08:14] and some other things got upgraded to bigger pots [08:16] watch out for the slugs ;-) [08:17] grr! [08:17] i hope that letting things get quite big in the pots first should help [08:17] then putting them in the ground after [08:17] I guess it should help [08:17] still they might eat your food :p [08:17] bah [08:18] is one supposed to be able to "upstart --user" from a vt or ssh? [08:18] I took a picture the other day... [08:18] xnox, ^ [08:18] Laney, to prove you had vegetables because having nothing left? ;-) [08:18] seb128: eh.... no. [08:18] talk with pitti about beer traps :p [08:18] seb128: you can "join" existing graphical session though. [08:19] https://goo.gl/photos/877B43UqAHsaM4Dq7 [08:19] AAAAAAHHHHHHHH [08:19] oh, snails, nice ;-) [08:19] seb128: export `cat /run/user/upstart/*.session` or some such, and then initctl --user should do the right stuff. [08:20] seb128: in theory launching `upstart --user` from vt/ssh should do the right thing, in practice it tries & fails to launch gui things. [08:21] xnox, thanks, in fact that's on a snappy image and upstart-event-bridge seems to not like it according to .xsession-errors so I was trying to start it by hand to get debug info [08:21] the log only says it exit 1 and is retried and fail the same way [08:23] seb128: you want to try to get wps & friends migrated? [08:23] Laney, sure, but you need to tell me what to do because I didn't follow the details ;-) [08:24] xnox, hum, with the export, it's better, it complains about not being about the connect to system Upstart, which is normal, that's a systemd system ... why is it trying to use the event bridge? [08:24] seb128: I think demote-to-proposed zygrib (FTBFS with new gda) and remove mapnik from wily-proposed should do it [08:25] oh, in fact .xsession-errors has the same issue on my normal laptop [08:25] that's what you need to do, then I should be able to copy back the old version [08:25] so I guess that's a redherring [08:25] Laney, ok [08:26] maybe sync blacklist mapnik? [08:26] seb128: yes, i have a patch to do event-bridge under systemd, but i don't think it landed last cycle (cause phone was not a priority) [08:26] imho i could land a few more things and then slowly start kicking upstart from the user session out. [08:26] patriciadavila: ipv6 - respect! [08:27] I wonder why I'm not on via v6 [08:28] xnox, that would be nice ;-) [08:28] though user session might be way out [08:29] 25/06 09:28:49 [Freenode] -!- hostname : 2001:ba8:1f1:f1ab:216:3eff:fe14:af00 2001:ba8:1f1:f1ab:216:3eff:fe14:af00 [08:29] seb128: heh. well, between james and I, i'm sure we can cook something up =) [08:29] Laney: you have ipv6 too, or what's going on? [08:29] Laney, ok, done the demoting&deleting from proposed, unsure about the sync blocking ... what is going to happen if it's synced back to proposed after the migration? [08:30] xnox: yeah but I was connected over v4, guess that is preferred still [08:30] seb128: I'm worried the broken transition will start again if they do another upload before it is ready [08:31] Laney, let's see, worth thing we remove it again? [08:31] I guess we could deal in the same way if necessary [09:47] it's going in \o/ [09:47] \o/ [09:48] k, so recovery mode works on a normal install in wily [09:48] seems like another snappy image specific issue :-/ [09:49] does this stuff work (exist?) on snappy core? [09:49] "stuff"? [09:49] I've no idea how recovery works, it's that by having "friendly-recovery" installed? [09:49] recovery, other problems that you have, do you compare? [09:49] the boot entry has "recovery" [09:49] compare what with what? [09:50] snappy core [09:51] oh, core, sorry I misread before [09:51] seb128: friendly-recovery, yes [09:51] I did compare some stuff, not for that one [09:51] but I don't think that makes much sense on snappy [09:51] if you ever land in it, you'll do more harm than good [09:51] and with the A/B partitions this Should Not Happen™ [09:52] well my first motivation was that sudo was screwed and I needed a way to get a root prompt [09:52] and if it's not useful it should not be listed in grub [09:53] hum, friendly recovery is installed [09:53] k need to go for lunch but I'm going to look more after that === thumper-bbl is now known as thumper [11:19] dpm: fyi, libreoffice is already way ahead on the size issue: https://twitter.com/samtuke/status/614021556675682308 [11:20] Sweet5hark, I might need some more context though: he's throwing a bunch of figures, but I'm not sure exactly what they mean [11:21] oh, msoffice [11:21] ok, you were comparing sizes [11:22] dpm: right -- MS will have lots of fun cutting that monster back down. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:02] Who is responsible for compiz packaging these days? [12:03] * mitya57 wants a review on his https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/compiz/switcher-plugins-in-default/+merge/262518 [12:10] mitya57, bregma&co [12:11] thanks! [12:11] yw [12:11] bregma, ↑ — can you please review that? [12:36] lol@ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141137 [12:36] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1141137 in systemd "systemd sends SIGKILL imediately after SIGTERM during shutdown" [Unspecified,New] [12:37] ah, pitti is even in on the party ... [12:38] Sweet5hark: we got that patch reverted in Debian and Ubuntu, does it affect us still? [12:41] pitti: no, just saw it fly by on social media (someone requesting a systemd project maintainer attitude readjustment tool) [15:01] bregma, hey, I saw you discussing with brandon about u-s-c, are you guys debugging issues with it? [15:02] bregma, I'm having problems with unity8 on the snappy personal image [15:02] seb128, well, our problems is we're trying to use it in a way it was sort of designed to prevent :) [15:03] seb128, the log you posed looked like it had a bad library and that's what was preventing Unity8 from running [15:07] bregma, the symbol error? [15:08] seb128, yeah [15:08] looks suspcious to me [15:08] seb128, was that log from Unity8 or from USC? [15:09] bregma, that's bug #1458689 [15:09] bug 1458689 in mir (Ubuntu) "[vivid-overlay] input-stub.so fails to load on i386" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1458689 [15:09] but removing the .so doesn't change anything [15:10] bregma, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773781/ is usc [15:10] bregma, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773784/ unity8.log [15:11] seb128, the USC log looks normal: it's just sitting there waiting for U8 to ack its start, which never happens [15:12] seb128, it looks like the nested Mir server in qtmir is not starting for whatever reason [15:12] at this point I usually resort ot using gdb in batch mode [15:13] on what process? [15:14] copy /usr/share/upstart/session/unity8.conf into ~/.config/upstart and replace the exec line with a gdb command to run unity8 [15:15] there is no way to get debug info in a log on why the nested mir server doesn't start? [15:16] seb128, you might be able to turn on the LTTNG loggin from Mir [15:16] you would think some people did that before and it's documented ;-) [15:16] Mir? documented? [15:16] lol, one can dream, no? ;-) [15:17] bregma, when you gdb, do you usually b/stop on something? [15:18] seb128, I spent a lot of time using "catch throw" to stop when exceptions are thrown and get a backtrace [15:18] may not help in your case [15:22] seb128, looking at the qtmir code involved, it's all wrapped in threads and ends up just calling into the Mir libraries, I thing using LTTNG might be your most productive approach [15:25] bregma, how do you do that? [15:28] seb128, you might want to ask the Mir devs, but you could start at http://lttng.org/docs/#doc-tracing-your-own-user-application and add commands to ~/.config/upstart/unity8.conf [15:28] I have a vague recollection of doing just that [15:30] bregma, thanks [15:30] that's less trivial that what I was hopping for there [15:51] * mitya57 wonders why bregma ignores him [15:52] mitya57, I'm not ignoring you, I'm working through plenty of backlogs [15:52] always backlogs [15:55] mitya57, I'm not sure if we want to move that plugin into the core plugins or just have compiz-gnome depend on compiz-plugins instead [15:56] I need to discuss it with other devs [15:57] bregma: The latter won't much help because the session has TryExec=compiz, and thus it will show every time when compiz is installed. [15:58] If moving switcher plugin to -main is not an option, then I'll have to split compiz session to a separate package (which I don't want to do). [15:59] bregma: So please discuss it and let me know the result :) [16:00] mitya57, we'll comment on the MP when we have a conclusion [16:00] Thank you! [16:00] when starting unity 8 desktop, is anything meant to set QT_QPA_PLATFORM, and if so, what sets it? [16:04] chrisccoulson, /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session sets it in the unity8-desktop-session-mir package [16:05] bregma, unity8 desktop doesn't run on my system, and never has done. I get this crash on startup: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/a111aea4-1b52-11e5-af4a-fa163e5bb1a2 [16:05] which looks like QT_QPA_PLATFORM isn't set [16:06] chrisccoulson, yeah, you should never see references to xcb [16:06] chrisccoulson, the alternative is you need to install the desktop graphics stack because Mir no longer pulls it in as a dependency [16:07] bregma, what exactly do I need to install? [16:07] it gets seeded in the desktop-next ISO but it was only recently added as a dependency to the unity8-desktop-session-mir package [16:08] chrisccoulson, try manually adding the mir-graphics-drivers-desktop package and see if it helps [16:09] bregma, it looks like I've already got that installed [16:09] :( [16:15] chrisccoulson, are you running on Intel hardware? [16:15] bregma, I am [16:15] hmm [16:15] wily or vivid? [16:16] bregma, vivid [16:18] very odd [16:18] chrisccoulson, does it happen with unity8 or just unity8-dash? [16:19] bregma, I have a crash report from unity8 at the same time - https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/94721788-1b52-11e5-b837-fa163e75317b [16:19] although, it doesn't look like there's a stack trace there === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:34] bregma, how is the session meant to be started? In my lightdm.log, I see "Running command /usr/sbin/lightdm-session lightdm-unity8-session" [17:36] chrisccoulson, unity8-desktop-session-mir provides the file /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/55-unity8.conf that tells LightDM what to do, which is basically run /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session [17:36] that script just sets some environment variables and runs upstart [17:37] bregma, oh, I bet this is because lightdm hasn't been restarted since that file was installed [17:37] brb === dpm_ is now known as dpm [17:44] bregma, so, I can log in to it now. Only, I can't get past the first run bit because I can't pull the launcher out [17:46] Ok, I can do it with the mouse. Just not my touchpad [17:57] chrisccoulson, yes, that's a tragic limitation to the new Unity design [17:57] * bregma expects it to be fixed by the time it ships officially [17:57] heh, I hope so [17:58] all my laptops have touchscreens [18:02] bregma, yeah, I don't have a touchscreen on my laptop [18:03] It's sort-of ok with the mouse, but unusable with the touchpad. The cursor actually wanders across the screen when I put my finger on the touchpad [19:43] right, so, webbrowser-app works on desktop-next again :) [19:45] well, locally anyway