[09:56] <Riddell> infinity: fixed I hope ^
[09:56] <infinity> Riddell: Looks more reasonable to me.
[10:06] <flexiondotorg> infinity, If possible I'd like to squeeze a package update in for the Alpha1.
[10:06] <flexiondotorg> infinity, If I prepare the debdiff and tarball could your sponsor it?
[10:07] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Fixes a bug raised in the ISO tracker.
[10:09] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, See the above I message. Looks like you might be the right person to ask.
[10:10] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I'm not really here, it's 4am for me.  Might want to find another sponsor who's slightly more awake (maybe Riddell can help you out).
[10:10] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Sorry. Sleep well :-)
[10:11] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, stgraber If submit the debdiff would you sponsor the upload so I can rebuild the Ubuntu MATE images?
[10:16] <Riddell> flexiondotorg: ok
[10:16] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Many thanks. I'll ping you the LP in a bit. Just making the debdiff and testing.
[10:36] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-artwork/+bug/1468725
[10:36] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Thanks for helping, much appreciated.
[10:37] <Riddell> hang on I haven't done it yet :)
[10:38] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Payment in advance ;-)
[10:42] <Riddell> flexiondotorg: did you put your change into bzr?
[10:42] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Opps. One sec.
[10:43] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Pushed.
[10:53] <Riddell> flexiondotorg: uploaded!
[10:53] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Thanks again. Will this go directly to the archive it will it have to be approved?
[10:54] <Riddell> I guess there's a block on so it'll need to be unblocked
[10:55] <Riddell> hmm no there's no block on
[10:55] <Riddell> so it'll go in
[10:55] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Excellent.
[11:03] <utlemming> Cloud Images are back on track...I'm running the tests through now.
[12:01] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, Any idea when ubuntu-mate-artwork in wily-proposed will graduate to release?
[12:02] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, I need to kick off a rebuild of the iso image with that package included.
[13:05] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Should be all published to release now.
[13:08] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Just checking....
[13:13] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Yep, just dist-upgrade on my test box. Thanks.
[13:17] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Thanks for your help earlier. The one really obvious bug in Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Alpha 1 is fixed :-)
[13:18] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I've requested rebuilds of Ubuntu MATE.
[13:59] <coreycb> infinity, can you promote python3-warlock to main?
[14:04] <infinity> coreycb: I can indeed.
[14:04] <coreycb> infinity, thanks
[14:06] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I requested rebuilds but haven't seen anything to indicate that something is happening. Is Ubuntu MATE building?
[14:11] <infinity> flexiondotorg: It was last I looked.
[14:12] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Yes, I've found the build logs. It's whirring :-)
[14:13] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I still see livefs builds going at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-mate
[14:13] <flexiondotorg> Thanks infinity .
[14:14] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Guessing that brownie doesn't have the fastest disk...
[14:14] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I'd never seen that page before. Very useful. Thanks.
[15:17] <infinity> wxl, Riddell, flexiondotorg: How are things looking from your end?  Looks like I'm taking over from stgraber today, as he's out sick.
[15:17] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I'm just smoke testing the rebuilt isos.
[15:17] <flexiondotorg> infinity, So far looks good.
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> infinity, When do you want to release?
[15:18] <infinity> flexiondotorg: When everyone's ready, ideally. :P
[15:18] <infinity> flexiondotorg: But, the earlier, the better, cause I've been up all night.  Whee.
[15:19] <Riddell> infinity: I've had 3 testers say it's good so I've marked as ready (1 is yet to put it on iso.qa)
[15:20] <infinity> Riddell: Awesome, thanks.
[15:20] <Riddell> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/Kubuntu release page
[15:20] <infinity> Riddell: Less fussed about people filling out pretty paperwork for alphas, but since you went to the trouble, I'll link it. ;)
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> infinity, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/UbuntuMATE
[15:34] <infinity> wxl: *nudge*
[15:40] <flexiondotorg> infinity, All set :-)
[15:41] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Ta.
[15:41] <infinity> So just waiting on lubuntu, then.
[15:52] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Have the last vestiges of upstart been remove in 15.10?
[15:56] <infinity> flexiondotorg: It's still there for user sessions, but we don't use it on boot anymore, if that's what you mean.
[15:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, User Sessions?
[15:58] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I realise the boot process moved the systemd in 15.04 but in my testing of 15.10 alpha 1, it is measurably faster than 15.04.
[15:59] <infinity> flexiondotorg: If it's faster, that could be some things moving from sysv init scripts to native units, or just general software improvements, who knows.
[16:00] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Well boot is faster. But system performance is improved generally.
[16:00] <infinity> flexiondotorg: As for user sessions, yes, some (many) desktop environments spawn an upstart --user that runs the DE and starts user services.  That should all be migrated in time too.
[16:00] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Ah, that explains it.
[16:00] <flexiondotorg> infinity, MATE uses systemd. Which is why I could find any trace of upstart in the boot/login trace.
[16:24] <infinity> utlemming: While I'm waiting on wxl to wake up and tell me about lubuntu, how's life in cloudy land?
[16:25] <utlemming> infinity: the tracker is not updated yet...but we're good to pull the trigger. Cloud Images are a go
[16:25] <infinity> utlemming: Couldn't care less about the tracker, if you tell me they're good. :)
[16:27] <utlemming> infinity: just tell when and I'll make Alpha-1 public
[16:27] <utlemming> (for cloud images)
[16:28] <infinity> utlemming: Kay.  Probably in a couple of hours, depending on lubuntu.
[16:29] <davmor2> infinity: well cloudly land is like fog only much higher up ;)
[16:29] <utlemming> infinity: ack...I have a conflict later this afternoon, but  either rcj or gaughen can handle the level pulling.
[16:30] <infinity> utlemming: Or you can yank it early, if you don't care if it aligns with the announcement.  *shrug*
[16:39] <wxl> infinity: good to go. marking them ready in 1m
[16:39] <wxl> infinity: gotta get release notes together.
[16:40] <infinity> wxl: Kay.  My announce email will point at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Alpha1/Lubuntu for you.
[16:40] <wxl> sounds good infinity. thx
[16:40] <infinity> wxl: Are you tested on PPC too, or skipping those?
[16:41] <wxl> infinity: skipping. i leave them open for people to test but we don't intent to release any ppc except lts
[16:41] <infinity> wxl: Check.
[16:46] <wxl> infinity: dnoe
[17:03] <teward> alpha one here we come XD
[17:07] <infinity> Just spinning up source ISOs and waiting for torrents to be happy, then we're good to go.
[17:08] <wxl> teward: well, depends on your vm
[17:08] <wxl> oops wrong channel but yuou get the idea :)
[17:09] <teward> wxl: i'll continue this in the right channel ;)
[17:09] <wxl> heheh k
[17:22] <bdmurray> In Launchpad is there a way to find the checksum for this package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/armhf/isc-dhcp-server-dbg/4.3.1-5ubuntu2.1
[17:23] <infinity> bdmurray: In the UI, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/204021070/isc-dhcp_4.3.1-5ubuntu2.1_armhf.changes (linked from the build)
[17:23] <infinity> bdmurray: But I'm sure the API knows too.
[17:23] <bdmurray> infinity: I've figured it out from the API, was just trying to find in the UI.
[17:26] <infinity> bdmurray: Right, from the UI, it's the "amhf build blah blah blah produced these files" link to get back to the build, then the .changes is there.
[17:27] <infinity> bdmurray: Could probably use an "oh god, this UI is awful" bug, given that we go out of our way to present source hashes in a nice table on the SPR pages, but do nothing pretty for binaries.
[17:29] <wxl> infinity: isn't 4.0 kernel coming this cycle?
[17:29] <infinity> wxl: Yeah, it's in the kteam PPA, just ironing out a couple of last-minute wrinkles.  Should land early next week.
[17:29] <wxl> infinity: thanks :)
[17:29] <infinity> wxl: We tried last week and hit a bump or two and reverted to 3.19. :P
[17:29]  * wxl nods
[17:29] <wxl> understandable
[17:33] <infinity> These source ISOs always take longer than I remember...
[17:33]  * infinity twiddles his thumbs.
[17:33]  * wxl moves this convo over to #lubuntu-devel
[17:39] <infinity> utlemming: Okay, source is publishing now, torrents look good, I'll blat the announcement out in ~10m
[17:39] <infinity> gaughen: ^
[17:39] <gaughen> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:39] <infinity> wxl, Riddell, flexiondotorg: ^
[17:40] <wxl> infinity: almost done with release notes anyways
[17:40] <infinity> gaughen: If you need more than 10m, let me know. :P
[17:40] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks!
[17:40] <utlemming> infinity: CPC is sprinting, 10 minutes is fine
[17:50] <infinity> utlemming: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/wily/alpha-1/ seems 404ish.
[17:53] <utlemming> infinity: yeah, it hasn't finished up yet. API calls to AWS are taking a bit longer today
[17:53] <infinity> utlemming: Mmkay.  I can wait. :)
[18:10] <infinity> utlemming: Ooo, I see (some) content.
[18:10] <utlemming> infinity: yeah, just finished....you're good to send the email. rsync will catch up shortly
[18:10] <utlemming> infinity: job is confirmed as complete
[18:11] <infinity> utlemming: I can wait for rsync to finish, I'm not THAT impatient. :P
[18:12] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Thanks for your help today.
[18:15] <infinity> utlemming: Although, you seem to be rsyncing to sawo via some sort of bendy straw.
[18:16] <utlemming> infinity: it would appear so...this is unsually slow
[18:17] <infinity> utlemming: And you can't even blame the distro, lamont yanked ports off sawo just for you!
[18:17] <lamont> "is yanking"
[18:17] <infinity> Well, true.
[18:17] <infinity> lamont: WHY SAWO SO SLOW
[18:17] <lamont> waiting on a TTL expiry in china
[18:18] <infinity> lamont: It appeard to be rsyncing utlemming's images at the speed of distracted toddler.
[18:18] <lamont> not sure
[18:18] <infinity> s/appeard/appears/
[18:18] <utlemming> lamont: did jerff get its TOS rules adjusted recently?
[18:21] <lamont> utlemming: I just pasted you a ps output that is likely relevant to your issue
[18:21] <utlemming> lamont: yup, thanks
[18:23] <bdmurray> slangasek: docker (SRU bug 1454719) was never added to the MicroReleaseExceptions page, it had 2 +1 so should be fine correct? Additionally, that SRU includes lots of build depends. Are those okay?
[18:33] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: ISTR some nonsense around libnettle; we have libnettle4 on our images but it's not (AFAICT) in the archive for wily.  Should that be the case, or did we build our image at an inopportune moment (where 4 and 6 were both around)?
[18:33] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: (We do also have libnettle6 on there)
[18:33] <utlemming> infinity: it looks good now
[18:35] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Try to remove it and see if anything goes with it?
[18:35] <infinity> utlemming: Thanks, pushing the announcement.
[18:35] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: libhogweed2, but we have libhogweed4.
[18:36] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Nothing else, though?
[18:36] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Nothing else.
[18:36] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: If so, I have no idea how it ended up on your image unless you installed it explicitly.
[18:37] <Odd_Bloke> Harumph.
[18:37] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Either way, it's gone now, so the next build can't pick it up, no matter how hard it tries.
[18:39] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, I can probably just ignore it then.
[18:39] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Oh, before it was removed, it might have been pulled in via a task, if you install with tasks.
[18:40] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: But yeah, gone is gone, and it's been gone for a couple of hours, so whatever.  Life moves on.
[18:40] <Odd_Bloke> Our testing picked up that it wasn't installable, so we'll catch it if it continues to be a problem. \o/
[18:40] <Odd_Bloke> (Or if this happens with something else)
[18:41] <Odd_Bloke> I think we do use tasks, but my memory of that part of our build process is currently swapped out to tape.
[18:41] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: You kids today and your high speed storage.  Real men swap to paper.
[18:44] <Odd_Bloke> s/paper/punchcards/
[18:47] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: That was the implication, yes.
[18:53] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Did you have to Google for that Oscar Wilde quote, or do you just know them off the top of your head?
[18:54] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: I'm a walking uncyclopedia.
[19:23] <slangasek> bdmurray: docker was IIRC not a microrelease exception; but it should be documented somewhere, yes.  As for addition of build-deps, as long as those new build-deps are met in trusty...