[03:34] <diddledan> so, as this is a "family friendly" environment, when is it safe to talk about wily?
[05:46] <knightwise> morning
[07:28] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:30] <mapps> arhgh
[07:30] <mapps> struggling to sleep:(
[07:30] <MooDoo> I did last night, didn't get to sleep until after 1
[07:31] <mapps> ive been up since 11am yest...4am-11 slept then got flight at 4 then work
[07:31] <zmoylan-pi> slept from midnight to 0400
[07:31] <mapps> im getting irritated lying there trying
[07:35] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of projector that projects sheep in a field on the ceiling...
[07:41] <directhex> "relax melodies" for android/ios/wp
[07:42] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:42] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: have you tried grey noise ?
[07:42] <knightwise> i listen to loops of scifi sounds to get me to sleep
[07:42] <zmoylan-pi> just about to say a white noise generator.  relaxing waves sometimes helps
[07:42] <mapps> i sleep with the tv on have done for years..maybe its keeping me u too tho
[07:42] <mapps> the light and the noise
[07:42] <knightwise> like 12 hours of the Enterprise warp core and stuff
[07:43] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/user/crysknife007
[07:43] <zmoylan-pi> in summer the drone of fan in bedroom helps.  i can get asleep but after 4 hours wake up
[07:43] <knightwise> this guy makes great loops
[07:43] <zmoylan-pi> no matter how tired and then can't get back to sleep
[07:44] <zmoylan-pi> light from new tvs might be bad for you.  versus crts that is
[07:45] <knightwise> have you tried f.lux ?
[07:45] <knightwise> app to adjust your screen temperature
[07:45] <mapps> hm  wats that
[07:45] <mapps> i use laptop to watch tv btw not a proper tv
[07:46] <zmoylan-pi> for a good guide to good sleep habits see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_hygiene
[07:47] <knightwise> https://justgetflux.com/
[07:48] <zmoylan-pi> i use twilight on android tablet when watching shows at night which adjusts the screen temp
[07:56] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: thats a great app too. I use that when I read ebooks
[07:58] <zmoylan-pi> on my feature phone which i use as ereader i just have it set to green text on black background for night mode
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Hipster! :-P
[08:09] <bashrc_> happy hug a hipster day
[08:10] <foobarry> just don't wear velcro
[08:12] <MooDoo> yay for debmirror :D
[08:42] <MooDoo> how is everyone doing this morning?
[08:44] <foobarry> aaa---aaa---aaa---cho
[08:44] <foobarry> oooooooooo
[08:45] <popey> \o/ school sports day
[08:45] <popey> I'm outta here o/
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: I am shattered, was up w-a-y too late last night/this morning helping a mate.
[08:58] <ujjain> \o\
[08:58] <ujjain> \o/
[08:59] <ujjain> popey, have fun at school sports day, don't let the kids bully you
[08:59] <foobarry> be careful in the dads race
[09:00] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: yeah i was up late :(
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Global Beatles Day! 😃
[09:04] <TwistedLucidity> Down with globalism! Support your local Beatle!
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> well liverpool is close to dublin...
[09:20] <JamesTait> https://youtu.be/lyyDwOzJ9XI
[09:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz8zVQ0XTR8
[09:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, wrong kind of Beatle. 😉   Interesting anyway, though. I didn't realise they were that big.
[09:37] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: :)
[09:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[09:46] <MooDoo> :D
[09:47] <davmor2> it's popey coming round the last bend, oh he stumbles, drops his egg and then stamps on it, they think it's all over it is now!
[09:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://vimeo.com/86120207
[10:37] <streaming> hi all, I'm installing a program and I'd like a confirmation. does the  program compile all the operating system?
[10:38] <foobarry> huh?
[10:38] <davmor2> streaming: depends on the program, depends how it installs and depends what platforms it is available for
[10:38] <foobarry> do you mean you are installing the operating system
[10:39] <foobarry> if so, then the OS is already compiled
[10:39] <streaming> ok, lubuntu 15.04 and linphone 3.8.4
[10:40] <foobarry> what instructions are you following?
[10:40] <streaming> readme included in the package...
[10:40] <foobarry> http://sourcedigit.com/16199-install-linphone-3-8-4-on-ubuntu-15-04-ubuntu-14-04-and-derivatives/
[10:41] <foobarry> you can install it here. you don't need to compile it
[10:41] <streaming> ok, thank you very much for info
[10:42] <foobarry> no problem
[10:46] <streaming> I selected linphone but not sure if it's the best choice for lubuntu. is it?
[10:49] <davmor2> streaming: if lubuntu has empathy install there is a fairly reliable telepathy-sofiasip plugin you can use for empathy
[10:50] <davmor2> streaming: if it is using pidgin there might be a sip plugin for that too
[10:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: one for you http://dog-shame.com/post/46575891914/i-eat-crayons-and-poop-rainbows
[10:57] <czajkowski> awww
[10:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: see I know :)
[11:18]  * brobostigon just heard HMS enterprise on DP, and smiled.
[11:52] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:56] <MooDoo> afternoon even bigcalm :D
[12:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: tis always morning on the t'interwebs
[12:01] <MooDoo> it's always morning for someone
[12:02] <shauno> morning is a function of caffeine, not time
[12:04] <DenHaagenDazs> knightwise: I made it to Holland ! Just sat in the hotel room on reddit - sisters wedding is in 2 days !
[12:15] <knightwise> Wicked DenHaagenDazs :) How is the flat country treating you   ?
[12:16] <knightwise> make sure you try out some "Maatjes" and "Broodje kroket"
[12:17] <DenHaagenDazs> Pretty good - loads of cyclists & mopeds about - the boat from Hull took about 11 hours .. shame I can't meet up - but there you go - just have to keep listening to your podcasts.
[12:17] <knightwise> No worries man :) Yeah , the ferry from Hull takes a while :)
[12:17] <knightwise> We use to do weekend trips from Oostende to Hull
[12:18] <DenHaagenDazs> Might be a nice place to retire to ?
[12:18] <knightwise> Where are you at ? den hague ?
[12:18] <DenHaagenDazs> I mean - everyone just seems 'normal' .
[12:18] <DenHaagenDazs> "Normal" - it's been a while.
[12:18] <DenHaagenDazs> :)
[12:19] <DenHaagenDazs> I'm in Voorschoten at a hotel.
[12:19] <DenHaagenDazs>  posh one too.
[12:20] <knightwise> Cool beans :) yap , you are way up north from me :)
[12:21] <DenHaagenDazs> Ok , how's it like where you are ? 'cos here - it's baking hot .
[12:21] <knightwise> kinda the same:)
[12:21] <DenHaagenDazs> fair dooes.
[12:21] <knightwise> but just a smooth summer day :) you must not be used to much :p
[12:22] <DenHaagenDazs> No , the folks have all gone to town with sis.  said I'd hank around the posh hotel for an hour or so.
[12:22] <DenHaagenDazs> **hang
[12:23] <knightwise> if you want to taste the "special brownies" you're in the right country :)
[12:23] <DenHaagenDazs> Any Ubuntu news happening/occuring while I've been offline ?
[12:24] <DenHaagenDazs> Note: I'm still trying to get @JonoBacon to join in with a community session - bad voltage is out today.
[12:25] <DenHaagenDazs> i.e. the Tuesdays 4pm QnAnswer session with popey etc.
[12:26] <DenHaagenDazs> http://community.badvoltage.org/t/1x45-tons-of-it-about/10513
[12:27] <knightwise> does anyone know any good Mumble channels where they talk tech  ?
[12:27] <knightwise> kinda looking for some background chatter when I work from home
[12:28] <DenHaagenDazs> knightwise: Stay away from linuxbasix - Try the LAS crew - they do mumble.
[12:31] <DenHaagenDazs> knightwise: This seems pretty current at moment : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvVUBZy_MHE
[13:05]  * popey restarts ddrescue for the bazillionth time
[13:10]  * davmor2 think popey is exaggerating 
[13:10] <davmor2> popey: how was the egg and spoon race?
[13:11] <popey> its at least 20th time
[13:11] <popey> recovered 62GB of 120GB
[13:11] <popey> getting there, does about 3GB per run then the disk dies
[13:20] <popey> 66GB...
[13:35] <DenHaagenDazs> Holy Mojo : I'm 37 and I've just realised I've got afew grey hairs ! Jeeszsh - I hope it's the sun effect and not for ever.
[13:35] <foobarry> i have some
[13:36] <foobarry> they arrived with child number 1 , 2 and now i'm 40 i have to manage the situation by occasional plucking
[13:37] <DenHaagenDazs> kinda scarey isn't it ?
[13:37] <davmor2> pfffff I've been greying and bald since I was 18, get a life with your pluckable greys
[13:37] <DenHaagenDazs> I wonder if smoking has an effect ?
[13:38] <DenHaagenDazs> should I collect them and have a funeral pyer at the end of my thirtees ?
[13:39] <popey> i find my hair looks less grey if I have 'product' (ick) on it
[13:39] <popey> if it's just been washed/dried it looks really salt+pepper
[13:41] <DenHaagenDazs> what the heck is (ick)  ? Is that just for men or smething ?
[13:43] <davmor2> DenHaagenDazs: probably bryl cream knowing popey :D
[13:43] <DenHaagenDazs> popey: Has anyone aired the need for a Ubuntu snap for phones program that is being dev'd , but not yet released, recently ?
[13:43]  * DenHaagenDazs wants some juicy bits of inner knowledge today :)
[13:45] <popey> "ick" is my reaction after using the word 'product'
[13:45] <popey> 86GB!
[13:45] <popey> nearly
[13:45]  * popey wonders if it's overheating
[13:45]  * popey points fans at the ssd
[13:45] <DenHaagenDazs> popey: One last question: Can you record voice ( phone conversations ) on the Ubuntu touch at all ?
[13:45] <popey> not yet
[13:46] <popey> ubuntu phone will move to snappy
[13:46] <popey> probably next year
[13:46] <DenHaagenDazs> oh pooey.
[13:46] <DenHaagenDazs> you can do on *droid (just sayin').
[13:49]  * DenHaagenDazs just realised that his chromebook automatically adjusted to Eu time-zone That's pretty mint.
[13:50] <popey> There's a lot you can do on Android, the phone platform which has been around for 7 years and is funded by a 66Bn dollar company
[13:50] <popey> \o/ 92G
[13:50]  * bashrc_ is doing some android stuff currently (openkeychain)
[13:51] <davmor2> popey: that was quick has it got to the empty bits of the drive or something?
[13:51] <popey> I think it's because the drive is on its side
[13:51] <popey> it comes out faster
[13:51]  * brobostigon uses openkeychain on droid with his yubikey neo.
[13:51] <bashrc_> are yubikeys worth having?
[13:52] <davmor2> bashrc: they are if you have the infrastructure that can use them :)
[13:53] <bashrc_> I think yubikey is something like OTP. I've not investigated how they work
[13:54] <brobostigon> they can do otp amongst other things, i use mine as an openpgp smartcard as well.
[13:55] <bashrc_> to store the private key, or just the passphrase?
[13:56] <brobostigon> private key, and subkeys.
[13:56] <davmor2> bashrc: they basically transmit a block of data and a newline key, nothing though dictates what the data block is, so you can add google authenticator to it or whatever else :)
[13:56] <bashrc_> I see. I don't think they're very expensive so I might get one and play around with it
[14:02] <DenHaagenDazs> ok bye for now .. not sure if I can log on again in holland - wish me luck for my piece at the wedding. bye
[14:12] <awilkins> Yeah I keep meaning to get one
[14:12] <awilkins> They do NFC ones too
[14:13] <awilkins> I think  Password Safe supports the NFC on Android
[14:17] <brobostigon> the yubikey neo has nfc. it does yes awilkins
[14:17] <awilkins> I've never had a mess around with one
[14:17] <awilkins> Been aware of them for a while
[14:18] <brobostigon> they are quite flexible.
[14:18] <awilkins> They are *rather* more expensive than SecureID tokens
[14:19] <awilkins> But I have no idea what the SecureID infrastructure costs are
[14:19]  * brobostigon googles SecureID
[14:19] <awilkins> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25x-emc-RSA-SecurID-token-25-security-id-tokens-keys-new-W16-/311304770236?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[14:19] <awilkins> RSA's wee time-synced 2FA thing
[14:20] <awilkins> Ok, that was a bad way to price them
[14:20] <awilkins> Apparently they run from $25 to $100 a shot usually
[14:22] <brobostigon> definatly more expensive than a yubikey.
[14:22] <awilkins> The $50 yubikeys definitely have more features
[14:23] <awilkins> And are probably a world easier to use
[14:23] <awilkins> With the RSA it's a game of "type the number before it disappears from the screen"
[14:23] <awilkins> Yubikey - plug-plip - done
[14:24] <brobostigon> yes definatly.
[14:34] <Azelphur> That feeling when your boss asks you to do something for the first time and you tell him you already did it, yesterday :P
[16:27] <davmor2> popey: so did you win the egg and spoon race I never did get an answer ;)
[16:28] <popey> No eggs or spoons were hurt during the making of the sports day.
[16:28] <davmor2> hahaha
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> though the 3 legged race ended up with a suprising number of amputations...
[16:43] <davmor2> hahaha
[16:44] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: they'll wish they used rope instead of handcuffs
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> some used epoxy to save time... :-)
[16:47] <linuxrules> \\#
[16:48] <linuxrules> am trying to win an argument with a friend - which is more revolutionary - iphone or ubuntu phone
[16:48] <linuxrules> what do people say
[16:49] <shauno> iphone, easy
[16:50] <bashrc_> why is iphone revolutionary?
[16:51] <zmoylan-pi> because it made most of the population run apps on their phones even though they could already do that
[16:51] <shauno> did you see what android looked like before it ?
[16:52] <bashrc_> no
[16:52] <popey> they couldn't do that very well
[16:52] <popey> symbian got a store very late in the game
[16:52] <popey> and it didn't have many apps
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> symbian store broke symbian as the cost of putting apps in there was too much
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> loads of apps were available for symbian but every year a new variant of symbian came out making all previous apps incompatible
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> which annoyed developers for some reason
[16:53] <popey> who knew, people like compatibility
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> every year i had to find a new ereader :-)
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> but that was too much hassle for most folk so it never took off
[16:54] <shauno> this is what android looked like in 2006, the same year the iphone was released - http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Android-prototype.jpg
[16:54] <bashrc_> cool
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> the original iphone DIDN'T shoot video, run apps, do 3g data, multitask, last all day
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> still waiting on the last one :-D
[16:55] <shauno> no, but it did pretty much define what smartphones meant for the next 10 years.  broke the control the telcos had over the phones, and sank most the major phone makers of the day
[16:55] <bashrc_> maybe so. I don't pay much attention to iThings
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> the mainstream media jumped on board with the jesus phone but it was and to me still is a mediocre device
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> i got one to see what the fuss was.  i offered it to anyone who wanted it at half price and got no takers
[16:57] <bashrc_> jesus
[16:57] <popey> you suck at sales
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> not really, i only insisted they try it for a week first.
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> and for folks used to nokia battery life that was for most the deal breaker
[16:58] <shauno> the original was pretty sketchy, but I still think it's fair to say it kick-started a revolution
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> it showed the success of marketing over intelligence...
[16:59] <shauno> and most the big names in phones today are companies that got on that revolution.  plenty got off.  most the 'big names' 10 years ago are footnotes today
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> don't rule nokia out yet :-P
[16:59] <shauno> are they the one msft bought?
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> i have a ms nokia dumbphone here.  great device
[17:00] <shauno> hah, sure.  I'll offer up some claim chowder and write them off then :)
[17:00] <shauno> until msft are willing to put android on them instead of windows, they down with blackberry fighting over the dog's dinner
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> seems ms are going to push dumbphones as their own winphone is going nowhere fast
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> but only in developing markets
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> nokia branded phones will be back on the market next year.  renting the name out by looks of it
[17:04] <shauno> I do like that apple & google have come out roughly 50/50 in this one though.  the competition is good.
[17:04] <shauno> I don't own stock, a winner doesn't benefit me. the competition does.
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> i like the powerbank phone :-D you can offer to recharge your mates iphone or android while you use it http://qz.com/411330/the-mystery-of-the-power-bank-phone-taking-over-ghana/
[17:07] <shauno> I can see the value, but I live in a country where I can reliably expect electricity at home, so I don't need an extra kilo of battery
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> relaible electricty is reliable till a power cut
[17:09] <shauno> right.  I mean I can make a reasoned judgment on how often I'll regret having a kilo in my pocket vs how often my power goes out
[17:10] <shauno> I've lived here 9 years without a power cut.  but I do wear pants quite often
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> my brother living in rural area expects to have a few days per year without leccy.  he ususally runs the house with inverter in his van
[17:11] <shauno> I did pop the breaker though, when I set the kitchen on fire.  that might count
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> and i have noticed that while a lot of folk have smartphones an increasing number have ancient nokias for backup when batteries die on smartphones
[17:11] <diddledan> shauno: firekitchen ftw
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> deep fat fried android....
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> deep fat fried iphone would be the healthy option :-)
[17:13] <shauno> I do have a nice big usb battery thing though, for when I'm travelling
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> and most people with smart phones carry chargers to top up during the day
[17:15] <shauno> sure
[17:15] <shauno> the main difference there though isn't the battery.  it's that people with smartphones tend to use them all day
[17:15] <shauno> it's not just sat on standby waiting for a call for 99% of its life
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> they use them till they start to run low
[17:16] <shauno> a dumb phone is just one function away from just carrying around a battery all day and marvelling that it never runs out :)
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> well my dumbphone is ereader, web, irc, email, music, fm radio, camera, rss
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> there is an ssh client but i haven't set it up yet
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> and heavy use 14 hours or so on saturday was still 50% which is furthest i've got it down in 1 day
[17:23] <shauno> hm.  I just noticed my soldering iron was on
[17:23] <shauno> this could be an interesting electricity bill.  it's been at least a week since I used it
[17:25] <shauno> hm, logs ftw, the 15th, when I was trying to route more power to the serial ports on my amiga
[17:28] <shauno> luckily it's a temperature-controlled one, not just a 'shove electricity into the element' one, so it shouldn't idle at its max wattage.  but still.  what an idiot.
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> thankfullly no one hurt
[17:45] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: except shauno's pride?
[17:53] <runtime-exceptio> Hello
[17:53] <runtime-exceptio> Is there a command I can do or a function I can call within Python to list all currently mounted ramdisks on the system?
[17:55] <funkyHat> runtime-exceptio: mount -t tmpfs && mount -t ramfs
[17:55] <funkyHat> Oh bye
[18:09] <diddledan> does anyone have a brief synopsis on how canonical's lxd is different to lxc?
[18:09] <popey> I can smell bbq
[18:11] <popey> diddledan: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/introduction/
[18:13] <diddledan> it's something I keep meaning to find out about
[18:13] <diddledan> thanks popey
[18:13] <diddledan> I see, so lxd is a bit like an lxc-specific libvirt-style thing
[18:32] <diddledan> lol: http://www.viper007bond.com/2010/06/12/so-apparently-wordpress-can-guide-missiles/
[18:34] <popey> i found a fun one in doctor who. they used the source of an svg file from wikipedia
[18:34] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/nKC9w.jpg
[18:34] <diddledan> I was carbon-copied into dr who: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Daniel_Llewellyn
[18:39] <diddledan> the alpha wily has been unleashed!?!
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[18:42] <diddledan> http://t.co/oUld9zRGQT <-- LOL
[18:47] <davmor2> popey: I love the smell of BBQ in the morning
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> prorbably a ham sandwich left on shauno's soldering iron... :-)
[20:18] <diddledan> https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/06/25/can-you-trust-tors-exit-nodes/
[20:19] <sebsebsebb> anyone got a meizu ?
[20:19] <diddledan> sebsebsebb: have they run-out already?
[20:19] <sebsebsebb> diddledan: I don't know I got a invvite straight away when I tried to get one :)
[20:19] <sebsebsebb> not bought just yet though, but soon
[20:19] <sebsebsebb> ,but
[20:19] <diddledan> I don't have money yet
[20:20] <sebsebsebb> well not sure if they will sell after tommorow...
[20:20] <sebsebsebb> and meant to use the invite in 72 hours I read
[20:20] <sebsebsebb> what  bothers me a bit is how it only seems to be the 16gb version like that, and really there's a 32gb MX4 phone as well
[20:21] <sebsebsebb> diddledan: as  for the colour, what's better white and silver, or white and gold hmm.  I think I am going Gold just, because I don't really have any tech devices so far in that colour
[20:22] <diddledan> hmm
[20:22] <diddledan> gold sounds nice
[20:22] <sebsebsebb> yeah, but it's just a colour
[20:22] <sebsebsebb> not real Gold :d
[20:22] <diddledan> lol
[20:22] <sebsebsebb> yep two colour options, but the white silver one looks like ipad to me
[20:28] <sebsebsebb> diddledan: wel it's a white front, and then silver or gold on the back it  seems