[05:05] <barrydk> More almal
[06:08] <Kilos> ha monkeyjoe  
[06:09] <mazal> More oom
[06:09] <Kilos> morning barrydk  mazal  inetpro  
[06:09] <Kilos> oh its Squish
[06:10] <Kilos> hi MaNI  
[06:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  we hit a luck, that colf front went east below us so we  went just under freezing point
[06:13] <Kilos> cold front
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh no
[06:14] <Kilos> lol
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> its ok we'll send another one up soon enough
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[06:14] <Kilos> :D
[06:45] <inetpro> goeie more
[06:45] <Kilos> more inetpro  
[07:12] <superfly> morning Kilos, inetpro, ThatGraemeGuy, mazal, barrydk
[07:12] <Kilos> mornsup
[07:13] <Kilos> ai!
[07:13] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[07:13] <Kilos> tab completes dont work with all words
[07:46] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:46] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[07:46] <Kilos> baie koud ne
[07:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Mr. Fly
[08:16] <pieter2627> nee, die koue kom mos nog
[08:21] <Kilos> lol
[08:21] <Kilos> hi Cryterion`hiding  
[08:21] <Kilos> dont help hiding in plain site
[08:23] <MaNI> morning
[08:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:24]  * Kilos thinks
[08:24] <Kilos> or tries too anyway
[08:25] <Kilos> wasnt it suggested that we get more involved with lugs, or them with us?
[08:43] <Cryterion> lol, Hi
[10:09] <Kilos> MaNI  feeling clever?
[10:09] <MaNI> not particularly, but I can try anyway
[10:10] <Kilos> lol
[10:10] <Kilos> ive forgotten the formula to work out what current limiting resistor is needed to supply 5v to a led
[10:11] <Kilos> like i want to use the 5v from a usb port but dunno how to work out what resistor will stop the led blowing
[10:13] <MaNI> I knew all this stuff once :(
[10:13] <Kilos> lol me too but kinda long ago
[10:13] <MaNI> http://ledcalc.com/ :p
[10:13] <Kilos> ty 
[10:14] <MaNI> can't you select the voltage on USB as well, so the first question is what USB voltage
[10:14] <Kilos> i just gotta curb browsing for some days
[10:14] <Kilos> usb supplies 5v to charge cells etc
[10:14] <MaNI> or is that only usb2
[10:15] <MaNI> I know the upcoming USB can go up to 18 or something
[10:15] <Kilos> i dunno, any usb port
[10:16] <MaNI> ahh yeah its only 5v for now, its the next one where you can select
[10:16] <MaNI> 5/12/20 - thats going to be pretty cool
[10:17] <Kilos> i just want to supply light to keyboard from usb
[10:17] <Kilos> then i can tell pro how or make him one
[10:18] <MaNI> USB-PD - the end of wall warts :p
[10:18] <MaNI> USB 1/2 seem to be 5v 2.5W
[10:19] <Kilos> ok now
[10:19] <Kilos> you know the leds that show hdd working etc
[10:19] <MaNI> those standard little ones yeah?
[10:20] <Kilos> they take their power off the motherboard so the mobo most likely does the limiting for you
[10:21] <MaNI> about 150 Ohm apparently
[10:21] <MaNI> for a green one
[10:21] <Kilos> now i want to try one or 2 that will light just enough to see a keyboard in the dark
[10:21] <Kilos> oh i can measure one
[10:21] <Cryterion> 250ohm's minimum
[10:22] <Cryterion> Normally led's can handle a max of 20mA with V = IR (Volts = Current * Resistance) 5 volts/0.02A = 250ohms Kilo's
[10:23] <Kilos> ya but the current limiting thing took v in - v out and some other stuffs
[10:24] <Kilos> lemme work at it and will let you know
[10:24] <MaNI> they seem to factor voltage drop across the LED in somehow to get 150 for 20mA
[10:24] <MaNI> but I'm so rusty on this stuff so don't take my word for it :p
[10:24] <Cryterion> Yes, the resistor is doing the current limiting, going for a 500ohm will only allow 10mA through to the LED, half it's brightness
[10:24] <Kilos> lol
[10:25] <Cryterion> Maybe
[10:25] <Cryterion> I use a standard of a 1K resistor on my controllers, led's are still bright enough
[10:26] <Kilos> when using what voltage and from where Cryterion  
[10:26] <Cryterion> That being at 5V
[10:27] <MaNI> 250 does seem a safe bet then
[10:27] <Kilos> the usb port must be quite powerful because it can power up external drives
[10:27] <Cryterion> But that's via a v-reg onboard, I'd rather say put a 1k, then you only 25% of max rating of the led and port
[10:28] <MaNI> only 900 mA on usb 3 :p
[10:28] <Kilos> ill try that first ty guys
[10:28] <Cryterion> Though usb was lower
[10:28] <Cryterion> thought*
[10:28] <MaNI> 500 mA on usb 1/2
[10:28] <Kilos> i dont have usb3
[10:28] <Cryterion> ok
[10:29] <MaNI> 5A on USB-PD - can't wait :p
[10:29] <Cryterion> Don't pop your led Kilos :)
[10:29] <Kilos> ya lol
[10:29] <Cryterion> I've had them explode on me before
[10:30] <Kilos> aw the white one i was hoping to use is popped already before i even get to try
[10:31] <MaNI> you sure its not infared? :p
[10:31] <Kilos> from an old p3
[10:31] <MaNI> hehe
[10:32] <Kilos> murphy's law
[10:32] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel, sal jy
[10:35] <Kilos> led about 1.8 ohms
[10:36] <Kilos> ai!
[10:38] <Kilos> 1k resistor is brown black brown right
[10:38] <Kilos> bbroygbvgw
[10:40] <MaNI> brown black red I think
[10:41] <MaNI> brown black brown would be 100
[10:41] <Kilos> ah ty
[10:44] <Kilos> w000t got one
[10:44] <Cryterion> It could also be brown black black brown (If 5 band resistors)
[10:45] <Kilos> heavy work when you need reading glasses and a magnifying glass to see what you use to see without glasses
[10:45] <Kilos> fluke says 991 ohms
[10:45] <Cryterion> close enough
[10:45] <Cryterion> normally a 5% accuracy
[10:46] <Cryterion> that's what the gold band would say
[10:46] <Kilos> ya good enough
[10:47] <Kilos> ya got a gold band too
[10:49] <Kilos> im lucky to be surrounded by clever peeps
[11:02] <Kilos> hi jrgns  
[11:02] <jrgns> hello 
[11:02] <jrgns> hello Kilos, all
[11:14] <mazal> elo
[11:20] <Kilos> haha just woke up, konversation has a global away button up top
[11:59] <Kilos> stupid white led makes a red glow
[11:59] <Kilos> grrr
[12:01] <MaNI> lol
[12:20] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  
[12:36] <mazal> l8tr everyone , have a nice afternoon
[15:46] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  hows neelsie?
[15:47] <Kilos> and family?
[15:47] <nlsthzn> fine thanks uncle Kilos ... we are under a bit of a strange flu at the moment but should be fine in a few days ... how about over there in sunny SA?
[15:48] <Kilos> jus cold man otherwise good ty
[16:13] <mazal> Hi all
[16:14] <mazal> maaz tell Cryterion Please message mazal re Server Store
[16:14] <Maaz> mazal: Got it, I'll tell Cryterion on freenode
[16:15] <Kilos> wat nou mazal  
[16:15] <mazal> Kilos, I needs to ask Cryterion something
[16:16] <Kilos> oh you didnt break something
[16:16] <mazal> Re our minetest world
[16:16] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:16] <mazal> Nope , didn't break anything
[16:16] <Kilos> good
[16:16] <mazal> But the night is young
[16:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:17] <mazal> BTW , ordered an internal drive for server for that backups thing , so might break my server soon :P
[16:17] <Kilos> aha, no man dont break it 
[16:17] <Kilos> things must just work
[16:18] <mazal> Is linux , so it should
[16:18] <Kilos> nono
[16:18] <Kilos> that old motto must die now
[16:18] <mazal> What one ?
[16:19] <Kilos> its linux so it must break
[16:19] <mazal> I was answering the " things must work "
[16:19] <mazal> IE it's linux , so it must just work
[16:20] <Kilos> lol ok
[16:20] <Kilos> thats why many stayed away from linux because things broke
[16:21] <Kilos> and you needed to be a serious geek to fix it
[16:21] <mazal> Ignorance is also a big reason hey
[16:22] <Kilos> yeah i broke things often
[16:22] <mazal> There are tons of users who still think " Linux is for server , it doesn't have apps for desktop pc's "
[16:22] <Kilos> but over 1 year now on 14.04 kd
[16:22] <Kilos> e
[16:22] <mazal> They simply don't know what it has these days
[16:23] <Kilos> i cant remember if cryterion comes on at night
[16:23] <Kilos> he was here all day , why didnt you ask him
[16:23] <mazal> I wasn't here
[16:23] <mazal> Only came in from the sites late
[16:23] <Kilos> ah
[16:23] <Kilos> ok
[16:24] <mazal> And didn't know what I needed then anyway
[16:24] <mazal> Just realized it :P
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <mazal> Ok , I go watch some F1 , l8tr
[16:24] <Kilos> ok
[17:30] <magespawn> good evening
[17:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:37] <Kilos> haha you becoming a good swimmer hey spinza  
[17:42] <Kilos> hi superfly  inetpro  
[17:47] <MaNI> in a DB board is the rail that the breakers on usually earthed?
[17:49] <Kilos> whats a DB board
[17:49] <magespawn> no but it should also not be live
[17:50] <magespawn> the distribution board, like in you rhouse
[17:50] <magespawn> house too
[17:50] <Kilos> oh
[17:50] <Kilos> ours is on a eskom pole
[17:51] <Kilos> oh wait
[17:51] <MaNI> where your earth leakage is :p
[17:51] <Kilos> yaya i caught on
[17:51] <magespawn> that is your main breaker, there has to be one in the house
[17:52] <MaNI> so if something really bad happened like a breaker somehow melted that rail would be hot then?
[17:52] <Kilos> the rail that the breakers clip on is not connected to anything
[17:52] <Kilos> separate bars feed live neutral and earth
[17:53] <MaNI> is there plastic spacers or something behind it isolating it from the box then?
[17:54] <Kilos> not that i remember
[17:54] <Kilos> the whole box is not connected to anything
[17:54] <MaNI> is the box also not earthed?
[17:55] <MaNI> I presumed the box would be :/
[17:55] <Kilos> but i can strip this one tomorrow and look for you
[17:55] <Kilos> thinking about it having the box earthed is good for safety purposes
[17:56] <Kilos> why you ask MaNI  what happened
[17:56] <magespawn> the wires coming should be fully insulated
[17:57] <MaNI> lol nothing happened just curious, busy looking at plastic ones (for a solar combiner box), and was wondering about the rail, and then my mind went to the metal ones
[17:57] <MaNI> just curious :p
[17:57] <magespawn> if a breaker has melted then something is seriously wrong in the first place, so all bets are off
[17:57] <magespawn> ahh right
[17:57] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <MaNI> I did have a circuit breaker melt in my house once
[17:58] <MaNI> actually our entire mains/earth fused
[17:58] <Kilos> overloaded
[17:58] <MaNI> something went wrong with the sub in our street
[17:58] <Kilos> eish
[17:58] <MaNI> we had like 2k volts coming in
[17:58] <MaNI> switched the lights on an the bulb vaporised :p
[17:58] <Kilos> eish they bypassed the transformer
[17:59] <MaNI> heh it was a failure of some kind scary stuff 
[17:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:59] <MaNI> can't recall if it was as high as 2k but it was high :p
[18:07] <Kilos> magespawn  does the name carin sound familiar
[18:11] <Cryterion> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI
[18:11] <Cryterion> just something funny
[18:12] <Kilos> mazal  ^^
[18:27] <magespawn> Kilos: yes, why?
[18:28] <Kilos> twitter just mailed me with peeps it thinks i should follow and i saw the name
[18:29] <Kilos> i normally just delete them
[18:29] <Kilos> i dunno how it decides who one should follow
[18:30] <Kilos> but i dont follow for the fun of following or being able to brag how many followers ive got
[18:30] <Kilos> facebook does the same thing
[18:30] <Kilos> grrr
[18:33] <magespawn> carin is my wifes name
[18:34] <Kilos> i wonder how twitter decided i should follow her
[18:37] <magespawn> do you follow me?
[18:37] <Kilos> i dont know
[18:38] <magespawn> okay then
[18:38] <Kilos> i tried to only follow ubuntu peeps and eskom and telkom
[18:38] <magespawn> it usually suggests follows based on who you follow, etc etc
[18:38] <Kilos> fb has hundreds waiting to become friends
[18:39] <Kilos> oh maybe i follow you then and thats where it found a connection
[18:41] <magespawn> i would find that likely
[18:41] <Kilos> i only use twitter to fight with isps 
[18:51] <Kilos> i wonder where inetpro  is
[18:51] <Kilos> scared he has to work so just lurks
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: +1
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> naand boetie
[18:52] <inetpro> makes two of us
[18:52]  * inetpro got lost in the ether
[18:52] <Kilos> haha
[18:53] <Kilos> i had a big fight this avy
[18:54] <Kilos> nearly broke my nose
[18:55] <Kilos> ram charged me so i skopped him on the nose
[18:55] <Kilos> that made him crosser
[18:56] <Kilos> second charge i sidestepped and grabbed his head and jumped on his back
[18:56] <smile> bye :)
[18:56] <smile> good night Kilos 
[18:56] <Kilos> and instead of lying down he ran with me 
[18:56] <Kilos> night smile  
[18:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:56] <smile> :D thanks
[18:57] <Kilos> so i reached around his body and grabbed a front leg so he fell
[18:57] <Kilos> then he hit head backwards onto my nose
[18:58] <Kilos> but he fell anyway so i sat on him and bled on him and slapped him silly
[18:58] <Kilos> nou weet hy wie is baas
[19:09] <magespawn> indeed
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Kilos> very sore nose though
[19:20] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:20] <Kilos> i go rest the aching bones
[19:24] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[21:40] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[22:18]  * cryterion`hiding wonders who he is here
[22:21] <Cryterion> That's better