[09:01] <ochosi> morning all
[09:01] <ochosi> status quo of the LO icons: http://i.imgur.com/gjTOzqG.png
[10:35] <knome> ochosi, pleia2: http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3352&preview=true
[10:59] <knome> ochosi, pleia2: ygm re: derivative questionnaire
[11:20] <ochosi> knome: nice! from my pov you can publish that page as is
[11:21] <ochosi> form looks good to me too
[11:21] <ochosi> so +2 from me
[12:02] <knome> ochosi, even with the "abc" "def" "ghi" list?
[12:02] <knome> i still want input from you and sean for the packages
[12:14] <ochosi> you mean the fact that the list is collapsed or the list of packages?
[12:15] <ochosi> oh, i thought those things were clickable :)
[12:15] <ochosi> didn't really give it too much thought, just read the text
[12:16] <ochosi> re: packages: what is ldm-xubuntu-theme?
[12:17] <knome> Description-en: Xubuntu theme for the LTSP Display Manager LDM is an ssh based X11 display manager, this package contains the Xubuntu theme for LDM.
[12:17] <ochosi> i guess x-d-s contains some branded stuff like the launchers for the menu for the website etc., but yeah, that one feels like ppl can use it
[12:18] <ochosi> ok, i have no idea what LDM is and who made that package
[12:18] <knome> i wouldn't be awfully sorry if we moved that stuff to another package
[12:18] <knome> "LTSP Display Manager"
[12:18] <knome> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[12:18] <ochosi> even with xubuntu-icon-theme i'm not sure
[12:18] <ochosi> i mean yeah, the distributor logo. but again, could be moved
[12:18] <knome> well that's why i'm asking...
[12:19] <ochosi> in the end though i'm not sure whether this is really worth it
[12:19] <knome> it would make me feel warm inside if that helps :]
[12:19] <ochosi> for one, it's easy enough to modify a package for derivatives
[12:19] <knome> well basically,
[12:19] <knome> it would also make the maintaining for us easier
[12:19] <ochosi> not sure
[12:19] <knome> if you remember that i've been talking about slight changes to the logo
[12:19] <ochosi> initially it'd be work
[12:20] <ochosi> yeah
[12:20] <knome> this way we only would need to maintain/change one package
[12:20] <knome> instead of poking many many
[12:20] <ochosi> you mean "xubuntu-branding"?
[12:20] <knome> why not
[12:20] <knome> but sure, i understand the other side too
[12:20] <knome> it IS work
[12:20] <ochosi> right, i'd say discuss that with sean, since he'd be the one doing the heavy lifting
[12:21] <knome> and for example, i don't think we should overcomplicate this for us and start ripping branding off the documentation
[12:21] <ochosi> yeah
[12:21] <knome> because that would also mean that we should limit ourselves to not mention the name xubuntu in the docs either
[12:21] <knome> that is just not realistic
[12:21] <knome> moving the start page to a separate package, however, might be sensible
[12:22] <knome> but then i don't know how much difference it would make (except that the start page points to our support channels, so we wouldn't want derivatives to ship that even if shipping the docs would be okay)
[12:23] <ochosi> i'm ok with any changes that make you feel warm inside as long as i don't have to do the work. and as it happens, this is all in bluesabre's, Unit193's and Noskcaj's department (packaging)
[12:23] <knome> haha
[12:23] <knome> yeah, it's not a big thing
[12:24] <knome> and doesn't have to happen overnight
[12:24] <ochosi> so for now i guess if you wanna take those guidelines seriously, the package list is fine as is
[12:24] <knome> it can be a slow transition that gets done while we do other modifications to the packages 
[12:24] <ochosi> thing is, even the package names contain the name "xubuntu"
[12:24] <knome> heh
[12:24] <knome> yeah...
[12:24] <knome> but as we've discussed
[12:25] <knome> the point is not to police derivatives literally (as you imply)
[12:25] <ochosi> i really don't wanna rename them to "bluesabres-preferred-settings"
[12:25] <knome> it's just to point out that this is our ideal situation
[12:25] <knome> but they aren't his, they're mine!
[12:25] <ochosi> :)
[12:43] <knome> wow, that package (ldm-xubuntu-theme) has an ancient xubuntu logo
[12:44] <ochosi> can we sue them?
[12:44] <knome> likely not
[12:44] <knome> :(
[12:45] <ochosi> (and yeah, i'm not really surprised that a package neither you nor i really knew about is outdated..)
[12:45] <knome> i wonder if it really would be a big loss if there wasn't a "xubuntu" LTSP login theme
[12:46] <knome> This package was created by Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@freegeek.org>
[12:46] <knome> in December of 2007.
[12:47] <ochosi> i presume many would (silently) weep
[12:48] <knome> i wouldn't want to keep it as is, because old logos are eww, but i wouldn't want to refresh it, because more maintaining is aargh
[16:16] <pleia2> knome: lgtm
[16:17] <pleia2> once we have the list of packages, of course
[16:18] <knome> yep
[16:18] <knome> so maybe also time to publish the "developers" menu then
[16:19] <pleia2> survey looks good too
[16:19] <pleia2> yeah
[16:24] <knome> bbl ->
[16:24] <pleia2> see you
[20:39] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Are we ok with making libxfce4panel-2.0-dev not depend on xfce4-panel-dev? debian's completely splilt the two packages
[20:39] <Noskcaj> *split
[21:48] <knome> bluesabre, oi! i found another dvd that plays on vlc, but problems on parole
[21:50] <ochosi> knome: so what does parole do/sayß
[21:50] <ochosi> ?
[21:51] <knome> gstreamer warning/criticals on stdout
[21:52] <knome> ui just freezes, eg. shows a black screen when the chapter should begin
[21:58] <ochosi> hm, usually it's just gstreamer
[21:58] <ochosi> i guess (still) the only way to test that hypothesis is installing totem
[21:59] <knome> just a minute
[22:01] <knome> nope, doesn't seem to work with totem either
[22:01] <knome> looks like the same warnings/criticals
[22:06] <ochosi> ok, i guess then it's time for an upstream gstreamer bugreport
[22:06] <knome> i guess so
[22:06] <knome> i'll worry about that later
[22:35] <Jesuwope> I installed Xubuntu but it hadn't asked me to set a root password.  How do I go about logging in to root??
[22:35] <knome> Jesuwope, don't.
[22:35] <knome> Jesuwope, use sudo
[22:35] <knome> !rootsudo | Jesuwope 
[22:36] <Jesuwope> fine, thanks.
[22:37] <knome> and generally, support at #xubuntu
[22:38] <Jesuwope> oh
[22:38] <Jesuwope> what about that graphical Xubuntu software install app
[22:38] <Jesuwope> will that work with my normal user password?
[22:38] <knome> yes.
[22:39] <Jesuwope> ok
[22:39] <knome> but please, let's keep the support questions on #xubuntu
[22:39] <Jesuwope> ok