[00:07] the default background valorie? [00:48] right, ahoneybun [00:49] gosh, tried to work outside for a few mins, but have been defeated by the heat and humidity [00:49] not sure how y'all in Florida get *anything* done outside [00:49] you must be as tough as gators [00:50] we wait for the shade to come valorie [00:52] I was in the shade! [00:53] <-- not a total dolt [00:53] the sun on bare skin feels like it's burning in mere seconds [00:55] <[Relic]> water proof laptops and sit in the ocean :) [00:59] I'm hours away from actual ocean [00:59] maybe less than an hour from the Sound [00:59] off to see my papa [04:49] hola peeps! === prth_ is now known as prth [05:14] Hey nixternal [05:19] poof, here and gone [05:20] In reading the "Joint Statement from the CC and KC" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-June/000646.html , I was surprised to see no explicit acknowledgement of approval of the statement by the KC, either in the message (by, say, listing the names of the KC members who read and approved it), or in follow-up messages on the list (or in other places the list has been posted, AFAICT). The lack gives rise to some unpleasant though [05:21] (For reference, my only connection to Kubuntu, or Ubuntu at all, is as an occasional user, and minor contributor some years ago.) [05:21] hi JesseW1 [05:22] I wrote much of it [05:22] valorie: ok, good to hear! [05:22] we're trying to move past this, but the recent unpleasantness is still rather raw [05:22] That makes a lot of sense. [05:22] plus we have work to do here [05:23] and most of us don't want to deal with the issue as such again until we have to [05:24] all of us signed off on it, for the record [05:24] including Riddell [05:25] I can entirely understand not wanting to deal with it further. If I was more involved, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't either. Thanks for the clarification, and sorry for bringing up troubles. [05:25] np [05:25] we want to be clear and transparent about everything [05:26] Yeah, that was why I thought it worth asking for the clarification. [05:27] it's great that you are interested [05:34] I think there are a lot of bystanders who are interested. It was a really ugly and alarming situation. [05:35] I agree [05:35] not many users care about internal issues, however [05:36] Sure. I'm running debian now, and I'm not as aware of internal debian issues as I might be, either. [05:36] I don't *think* there's anything to this level going on lately, though. [05:36] did you read the systemd debate? [05:37] I did...... [05:37] Heh. Oh, that. [05:37] Yeah, that was an instance of ugly internal issues in debian, certainly. [05:39] Is the logger broken, or does it just take a while to catch up? I don't see anything logged from this channel since 04:49... === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward [05:40] unsure, I have my own logs [05:46] OK. Thanks again for the response, and to all of you for all your work. === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [11:38] Hiyas all [11:40] hi BluesKaj, thanks for your help with alpha 1 [11:41] hey Riddell, glad to help. Hope we can keep this going past october. === drawkward_away is now known as drawkward === soee_ changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Welcome ximion! === santa is now known as Guest73386 [14:14] Looks as if Wily got Plasma 5.3.1. Setting up plasma-desktop (4:5.3.1-0ubuntu3) ... [14:16] yup, haven't noticed much difference yet [14:17] BluesKaj: Do you know if it is also in the backports for 15.04? [14:18] Doh, I posted this http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-531 myself. [14:18] Almost a month ago. [14:19] :-) [14:37] Riddell: I can do the manual partitioning in a bit [14:37] or not.. [15:08] Riddell: have you seen the new DVD artwork? [15:10] ahoneybun: no sorry I'm behind on e-mail [15:10] Riddell: http://imgur.com/a/axpzW [15:12] ahoneybun: lovely! [15:12] :) === tazz_ is now known as tazz [15:52] ahoneybun: ok I'll put in the website [15:53] yay [15:57] ahoneybun: can't the artwork be in svg? [15:57] um [15:57] If I knew inkscape [15:58] it's easy [15:58] or use Karbon if inkscape is not your thing [16:01] I use GIMP [16:05] ahoneybun: do you have owncloud? [16:05] nope [16:27] I do inkscape [16:27] ahoneybun: ^ [16:28] Darkwing: can you convert some pngs in vectorial? [16:28] ovidiu-florin: why ping me lol you have the files on your owncloud [16:28] ahoneybun: to make sure you saw that [16:28] Yeah, [16:28] thanks lol [16:29] I've done that quite a bit in the past. Whats the detail level [16:29] ? [16:29] Darkwing: the plasma 5 wallpaper, do you know it? [16:30] Aye [16:30] that detail level [16:30] Conversion? Possabily. [16:30] Darkwing: scotland? [16:31] Negative. US. [16:31] Former Sailor US Navy. Aye is built in my vocabulary. [16:32] Darkwing: ;) [16:32] awesome [16:33] Lemme poke around with converting [16:33] thanks Darkwing [16:33] Yup [16:35] * ahoneybun runs off to Steam wonderland [16:36] noooooooooo..... *flies away too* [16:38] Darkwing: we have gimp files [16:39] we can import/export... from/to ... something... [16:41] Ohhh, URL? [16:41] Darkwing: owncloud or Google drive? [16:42] GDrive. david.wonderly@gmail.com [16:43] Darkwing: I recommend not to do that anymore (make your email adddress public like that) [16:43] Darkwing: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6zAAODZFwQ2fl8zV2ZuWGZ5MmZyd0NrRFJkYXRUR0JfU3VUdEJSRVplcF9FNm5OaHFUbWs&usp=sharing [16:44] My email address has been public for a very very long time [16:44] Same with my mobile number... +1-260-804-5130 lol [16:45] ahoneybun: can you introduce me to that doccumentation thing we talked about? [16:45] I am not a hard person to track down and find lol [16:46] ovidiu-florin: pootle or sphinx? [16:46] sphinx [16:47] what about it [16:48] provides documentation written in reST/RST and can output HTML/epub/PDF [16:49] it is so nice to have that lol [16:52] ahoneybun: you talked about a page that shows how to connect it to a pootle server [16:53] in this it has a picture with Pootle on it but they use Transifex: http://sphinx-doc.org/intl.html?highlight=translations [16:56] looks like you make the .pot file with Sphinx, put that on Pootle and then it shoots out .po files [16:57] transifex is proprietary [16:57] I have the pot files made already if/when you get a pootle server up [16:57] I see that [16:58] ahoneybun: ok, I'm looking into that [16:58] cool [17:01] ovidiu-florin: Pootles on documentation is using Sphinx btw lol [17:01] *own doc [17:01] :D [17:01] so we use the best technologies [17:01] match made in Heaven lol [17:01] all open source [17:02] I would think so as Sphinx is Python's own docs [17:02] I wander if I could hold a talk at akademy about this, and convice poeple to have a pootle server for KDE [17:02] you should [17:02] or can I just talk to them in the hall? [17:02] Riddell: what do you think??? [17:02] either way there should be talks and beer [17:02] lol [17:03] in order to do a talk, I have to research much more, than just talking to people in the hall way [17:03] true [17:04] wow that docs page links to github, the pdf, epub everything [17:04] ovidiu-florin: what's pootle? [17:05] an webinterface translation tool [17:05] that's used by libreoffice and many other big projects [17:05] there's also transifex, but that comercial (free for open source) and proprietary [17:10] Riddell: what do you think about the talk? [17:11] which talk? [17:11] asking for pootle? [17:11] is it enough just to talk with the relevant people at some random time? or I must hold a talk in order to get anywhere? [17:11] Riddell: yes [17:11] ScottK: ovidiu-florin where are your pictures! http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/the-kubuntu-team/ [17:11] ask for a bof session with l10n people [17:11] and go for it [17:12] what's bof? [17:28] Riddell: what's a BOF session? [17:29] it know it comes from birds of feather, but I have no idea what that means [17:34] People who share a common interest. In the US, at least, the expression is "Birds of a feather flock together". [17:35] I understand [17:35] thank you [17:37] damn these wifi speeds [17:43] a lot of users never change the wifi channel from the default which is usually #6 , so everyone in the neighbourhood is fighting for space on the same channel [17:45] I still blame AT&T [17:47] heh , that damn phone compny ...snort [17:50] Not sure if it originated there or not, but the IETF is the first place I ran across the term BoF. [17:50] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ [17:50] Then there's BoFH, but that's something completely different. === drawkward is now known as drawkward_away [18:00] which I'm pleased to see The Register has recently brought back [18:14] ahoneybun: what does the AW in the GIMP project file stand for? [18:14] I'm not sure ovidiu-florin, that was in the pdf file that the Canonical Design Team gave me [18:24] art work? :-) [18:30] who is an admin at Kubuntu forums? [18:30] SteveR but he's not been on irc for ages [18:30] maybe Mamark and maybe me [18:36] BluesKaj: http://imgur.com/a/axpzW [18:36] kde 5.3.1 released in 15.10? [18:36] seems so murthy [18:37] ahoneybun: is getting backported to 15.04 ? [18:37] it already is [18:37] wily: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=338 [18:38] ahoneybun: can you give me the link to the ci page? [18:38] yes murthy, it's been in the 15.04 backports for a while now [18:39] BluesKaj: I need to check probably I confused this update for 5.3.2 [18:39] BluesKaj: when is the next stabilization update due for 15.04? [18:39] ahoneybun: GIMP file for disc print?? [18:40] ovidiu-florin: I have it, not 100% sure if I want this design to be final [18:41] ahoneybun: I'm glad you have it [18:41] can I also have it? [18:41] me too [18:41] yea sure let me get it on the owncloud [18:41] I've translated the front [18:41] why is this put there ? "No backports PPA required." [18:41] for 15.10 I mean? [18:44] murthy: the backport is needed in 15.04 [18:44] but all the new packages are in the Ubuntu archive now [18:44] for 15.10 anyway [18:46] ovidiu-florin: its up [18:46] merci beaucoup [18:46] ahoneybun: Ya I know but is it obvious that we dont need a backport for 15. [18:46] 15.10 [18:46] murthy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule [18:46] *isn't it obvious [18:47] murthy: don't hurt to say it [18:47] BluesKaj: Yesterday I saw the know bugs of 15.10 alpha for found that the ark issue is a bigger issue [18:47] ahoneybun: ok [18:48] very nice ovidiu-florin on the ro version, that is oxygen-sans right? [18:48] BluesKaj: can we expect 5.3.2 this month end? [18:48] ooohh Krita opens xcf files! [18:48] ahoneybun: I think. It's the defualt one [18:48] yes, I know [18:48] I did not [18:49] I told you this last week, I think [18:49] maybe [18:49] either way I know now [18:49] ovidiu-florin: did you use ubuntu bold on the Try it, Love it? Share it! part? [18:50] I used the same that was [18:50] I did not change that [18:50] ok cool [18:50] BluesKaj: I have an idea about the install process, may I share it here? [18:51] ovidiu-florin: was it easy to work with the xcf? [18:51] ahoneybun: I can't translate the disk image [18:51] yea with that word wrap [18:51] give me the translations and I will do it :) [18:51] ahoneybun: I did not edit it with Krita, as I wanted to be sure that I don't break the project file [18:52] yea [18:52] murthy, https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 [18:53] BluesKaj: thats the one I was searching. nice [18:53] ahoneybun: Kubuntu 15.04 este liber spre a fi copiat, modificat și distribuit. Vizitați http://kubuntu.org pentru mai multe informații. [18:53] I've added the http:// [18:53] for? [18:53] ahoneybun: there's a -RO project file there [18:54] ahoneybun: check how I made the links on the front cover [18:54] I see [18:54] make it the same on the disc image [18:54] I already downloaded that ro file [18:54] for both RO and EN [18:54] ahoneybun: sure you don't want an account? [18:54] you'd be able to sync [18:54] fine make one [18:54] no mre download/upload [18:54] idk what sync will do [18:55] BluesKaj: Can I share my Idea here> [18:55] ? [18:57] ahoneybun: sync does upload and download for you [18:57] :))) [18:57] heh murthy you don't need my permission :-) [18:58] BluesKaj: no, is it the right place to share? [18:58] or should I mail someone? [18:59] no, go ahead, it's fine to share ideas [19:00] ok, its about two things that need to be added/changed during the kubuntu fresh install or a distro upgrade process [19:01] ok [19:01] one is that the proprietary display drivers cause a lot of problem after an upgrade, debian recommends the users to remove the driver if possible [19:01] why are we not doing that [19:02] I mean before an upgrade process [19:02] If possible we should disable the proprietary driver with the user permission before an upgrade [19:05] which brand of gpus are you referring to because the nouveau driver is default for nvidia upon installation? [19:05] The second thing is, I have seen sometimes the interface between the gui and the console program is broken and the background process waits for the user input and there is not gui display to get the user input and the install process waits infinitly [19:08] particularly this happens when dpkg is asking if the user wants to replace/keep a config file of a package with a new one. I feel this rare situation which got out of hand during the testing process can be overcome if there was a embedded terminal window (or which can be accessed with a button) provided some thing like the one in the deb installer [19:09] BluesKaj: I am talking about all the proprietary drivers, not nouveau. I want to force enable nouveau before distro upgrade process [19:10] i know there is a gui/dialog for grub if it's been previously edited [19:11] BluesKaj: sorry I am not able to understand [19:11] murthy it does force nouveau on a fresh install and releas-upgraqde [19:12] BluesKaj: I know that nouveau is the default driver for a fresh install, but release upgrade? Last time when I upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 was on the proprietary nvidia driver [19:13] murthy, if you've edited grub previously then ubiquity checks for changes t grub before it iinstalls a new unedited one [19:15] BluesKaj: ok there it detects the driver? [19:16] murthy, ok, I installed to / so the previously chosen driver wasn't detected [19:17] BluesKaj: you are talking about the fresh install right? [19:17] BluesKaj: I was taking about upgrading from inside the current kubuntu install [19:19] and it 's not proprietary , they're binaries , proprietary drivers would be directly from nvidia or AMD without modification [19:20] ahoneybun: WTF, you deleted the CD Cover folder? [19:20] oh.. Renamed it :D [19:20] no? [19:20] my fail [19:20] lol [19:20] ahoneybun: you lol a lot [19:21] I'm not typing "hehe" [19:21] other then that time [19:21] lol [19:21] ovidiu-florin: you now have the -RO disc art [19:22] PNG or XCF? [19:22] xcf [19:22] want the png? [19:22] the text layer has the text in RO [19:22] but the image shows it in EN [19:22] BluesKaj: I need to learn after that difference, I never knew they were different. ok so that binary driver is disable before an distribution upgrade from inside the current install? [19:23] opps [19:23] normally it is removed during the do-release install as welliirc [19:24] can we rename the EN files with -EN appended to them? [19:24] please [19:25] I did [19:25] or you do it [19:25] I seem to end up with nouveau driver afterevry install, no matter which method i use, murthy [19:25] something like that [19:27] BluesKaj: Ya, I too suspect that, but I know you have heard many people telling you about the blank screen after an upgrade, do you think that the nouveau driver does that? [19:27] ahoneybun: why'd you make a second -RO disc label XCF? [19:27] there is only one [19:28] ovidiu-florin: the xcf files should not have -RO or -EN as they hold all of them [19:28] the only ones with - anything are the png [19:28] what? [19:28] Another idea I have is the ubiquity installer update it self before the install process [19:28] murthy, yes sometimes it's not quite up to date with some newer nvidia gpus , esopecially the higher -end ones [19:28] you added both languages in the same project file? [19:28] of course [19:28] but in folders [19:29] higher end ones :) ? like gt 610? [19:29] what do you mean in folders? [19:29] layer folders? [19:29] yes [19:29] look at the -RO xcf for the label [19:30] So i ubiquity updates itself before an install be could fix some bugs after an install immediately [19:30] murthy, seems so yes, iirc, gt 610 was a problem a while ago [19:30] ahoneybun: it looks bad in RO on the disc label [19:30] the font is messed up [19:31] it's not a real high-end card, but there were driver problems with it , murthy [19:32] ahoneybun: can you combine the other files as well? so we have just one project file and all the languages in them? [19:32] I'mm appedn -EN to the PNG files [19:32] yea let me try to get the font better for RO on the label [19:33] BluesKaj: ok. these gpu companies have to open there drivers may be then we will have a good experience with their product [19:33] BluesKaj: are you testing 15.10? [19:33] murthy, yes I am [19:35] BluesKaj: There is/was a bug in ubiquity and I had earlier spoke to shadeslayer about this. I have been waiting for the past 3 kubuntu releases. Can you check if this got fixed? [19:35] BluesKaj: I will give the bug id now [19:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1389847 [19:36] Ubuntu bug 1389847 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity waits until the driver-manager finishes before proceeding to the partitioning screen" [Undecided,New] [19:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1087409 [19:36] Ubuntu bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Missing feedback/progress dialog while installing drivers" [High,Triaged] [19:37] BluesKaj: I have given the steps to reproduce the bug in the first bug report [19:37] testing Wily alpha and I did encouter a black desktop after installing and upgrading so i installed kubuntu-desktop because it didn't install for some reason [19:39] BluesKaj: That usually happens, try starting the xserver with root permission [19:41] well i did but kubuntu-desktop had to be installed before startx would work [19:41] BluesKaj: ok can you check for the bug I have given while you are testing 15.10? [19:42] BluesKaj: we need to do that in testing? [19:43] ahoneybun: Luara has some suggestions about the disc label, can we make changes to it? [19:43] BluesKaj: sorry I dont know much about testing. I usually test the betas for seeing myself [19:44] sure, working on combining the xcfs now [19:44] I find it funny you misspell your wifes name lol [19:45] she doesn't mind [19:48] XD [19:49] feeling sleepy, going to bed. see you guys later [19:49] bye murthy [19:49] night murthy [19:50] murthy, good night [19:51] ahoneybun: any progress? [19:51] the Front and Back xcf are up [19:51] going to upload the disc now [19:54] ovidiu-florin: should have all of them now [19:56] are they synced on your side? [19:57] I just uploaded to the site [19:58] ahoneybun: haven't you set up the client? [19:58] yep [19:58] then why upload to the site? [19:58] put them in the folder [19:58] or, just edit those files [20:03] its all done now [20:06] I still see RO and EN XCF files [20:06] <[Relic]> saving sessions been fixed yet? [20:07] [Relic]: AFAIK saving them works, restoring them I'm having trouble with [20:07] especially with hibernation [20:08] <[Relic]> just wondered the virtual desktop layouts weren't storing when I gave up on 15.04, figured I would wait till that critical error was fixed before trying again [20:09] <[Relic]> or restoring after reboot, or startup [20:57] would anyone here know how to get my hardware volume buttons working on Toshiba laptop in Wily? [22:39] ahoneybun: please readd the text for the disc label. I've edited both the RO and EN. I don't know how to apply the text around the image [22:40] I'll add it in a bit [22:44] also, one more thing [22:45] can you make in all 3 projects a layer folder Languages, and in that Add a layer folder for each language, and put in there all the text (and related) layers? [22:45] so they are sorted [22:45] and also keep all the language sublayesr visible, so it's easy to switch languages, by just switching the visibility of the two languages. [22:45] can you do this? [22:46] ahoneybun: ^ [22:46] should be able to [22:46] Leave the Back for now, I'm translating it now [22:46] I'll tell you when I'm done [22:56] check the front one, it should be good [23:08] ahoneybun: exactly what I wanted. It's awesome. I've done the same for the back [23:09] ahoneybun: please check the second back project. I've removed the extra (unused) layers [23:09] please confirm that it's ok [23:09] second back ? [23:09] we should do the same with the others [23:09] I've saved that in a second BACK project [23:09] I see [23:10] I'm done with the translation [23:10] I'll ass for a review of the translation in the morning [23:10] ask**** [23:10] I'm off to bed [23:10] why a second one? [23:10] thank you for your help [23:11] because I wanted your confirmation that it's ok [23:11] oh right [23:11] so I wouldn't harm the original [23:11] oh I'll look [23:11] if it's ok, you can delete the original [23:11] its good [23:12] awersome [23:12] then I'll clean the layers now on the front, can you please do the label? [23:12] can I edit the FRONT? [23:13] for> [23:13] ? [23:13] cleaning the layers [23:13] to remove the back layers from the FRONT project [23:14] leave that one [23:14] there are a few layers in the FRONT project that contain nothing [23:14] noo [23:15] ok, then I won't touch it [23:15] a pretty long but detaile dand nice Plasma5 (on Kubutnu) review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97p1eKZRzng [23:15] thanks soee_ [23:15] thanks soee_ [23:15] murthy: ^ this might be worth putting onsocial media [23:15] mparillo: ^ [23:15] ovidiu-florin: everything in the FRONT on has a reason [23:16] mparillo: not as kubuntu review but as Plasma 5 review so user get more familiar with it [23:16] ahoneybun: then I'd make that into a template [23:16] ahoneybun: but since we have separate files for each, I see it that we have 3 tamplates: FRONT, BACK, LABEL [23:17] like there is a layer called Workspace that is to show us where we can place designs that will be printed [23:17] if you put it into one file it will be a mess [23:18]