[03:09] <nkf1> how easy/hard is it to install Ubuntu Touch on an android version of the Aquaris E5?
[03:12] <nkf1> (same goes for the android Meizu MX4)
[03:26] <tathhu> E5, dunno, but alteast you can use "ubuntu-device-flash" with e4.5
[03:26] <tathhu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[03:26] <tathhu> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[03:27] <tathhu> I don't have bq nor meizu do i have no idea :(
[03:30] <tathhu> AFAIK Meizus bootloader is locked
[03:35] <nkf1> ange86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ubuntu 12.04]
[03:35] <nkf1> 20:18 -!- kostkon [~kostkon@host86-167-237-21.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-touch
[03:35] <nkf1> 20:22 -!- lotuspsychje [~lotuspsyc@ip-83-134-255-238.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-touch
[03:35] <nkf1> 20:26 < tathhu> E5, dunno, but alteast you can use "ubuntu-device-flash" with e4.5
[03:35] <nkf1> whoops
[03:36] <nkf1> accidental copy/paste
[03:36] <nkf1> sorry
[03:36] <nkf1> anyway, thanks tathhu
[03:38] <tathhu> :D
[03:38] <tathhu> np
[06:13] <green_> hello, is there anybody here ?
[06:14] <green_> I face problems with the mms reception on Aquaris E5 ubuntu
[06:14] <green_> no mms reception, but I can sent it
[07:00] <tathhu> Check your apn settings
[08:11] <SturmFlut> Does the battery settings screen work correctly? Because krillin tries to tell me that it consumed just four percent points of its battery capacity after 34 hours of standby, with all radios off
[08:12] <geokjones> howdy
[08:12] <SturmFlut> geokjones: o/
[08:12] <geokjones> o7
[08:12] <geokjones> flashing touch as we speak
[08:12] <geokjones> figured i'd set in here for when my phone inevitably blows up
[08:12] <SturmFlut> which device?
[08:13] <geokjones> nexus 5
[08:13] <SturmFlut> I don't think it will blow up
[08:13] <SturmFlut> At least not immediately
[08:13] <geokjones> not immediately is better than immediately.
[08:15] <tathhu> :D
[08:15] <geokjones> i've already had to change the charging port once on this thing
[08:15] <SturmFlut> The device is not officially supported though
[08:15] <geokjones> meh.
[08:15] <geokjones> who needs support
[08:15] <geokjones> i was using firefox os for a bit.
[08:16] <geokjones> and then i stopped.
[08:16]  * DanChapman wonders if dekko will hit 5000 users today
[08:17] <geokjones> what is this dekko you speak of
[08:17] <DanChapman> it's an email client
[08:18] <geokjones> oh ho ho
[08:18] <geokjones> how i love email clients.
[08:18] <svij> it's *the* email client - for ubuntu phone. :P
[08:18] <svij> good work, btw DanChapman :)
[08:18] <DanChapman> Well there are those web app thingy's
[08:19] <DanChapman> svij: thanks :-)
[08:22] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Ping (I know you're there, it would be a day to remember if you weren't)
[08:23] <DanChapman> hah! just say "snappy"
[08:23] <svij> DanChapman: nope, "snappy sucks" might be the better option
[08:23]  * svij runs.
[08:23] <geokjones> omg
[08:23] <SturmFlut> svij: You can't hide, he has Snappy Skynet
[08:23] <geokjones> it says hi.
[08:23] <svij> SturmFlut: damn
[08:24] <SturmFlut> svij: I am waiting for the Snappy Drones every day, but I am a celebrity, he can't just take me away
[08:25] <geokjones> flashing finished
[08:25] <geokjones> if nothing else it's pretty
[08:25] <svij> SturmFlut: :D
[08:29] <geokjones> hah
[08:29] <geokjones> searched dekko in ubuntu store
[08:29] <geokjones> feel like i've seen the developer's name somewhere.
[08:29] <svij> :D
[08:29] <geokjones> can't put my finger on it though
[08:33] <geokjones> apparantly it does not approve of my email or password
[08:33] <DanChapman> is it gmail?
[08:33] <geokjones> yeah
[08:34] <DanChapman> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255
[08:34] <geokjones> genius
[08:35] <DanChapman> gmail is a PITA with this. Until dekko is fully working with online accounts this will always be an issue. I still need to add a helpful message there.
[08:36] <geokjones> a message would have helped, because i had no idea what was wrong.
[08:36] <DanChapman> it's on the list :-)
[08:36] <geokjones> but i'm not a developer or anything, i just like to mess around with stuff.
[08:36] <geokjones> i only just a few days ago ditched windows for ubuntu on my laptop
[08:37] <geokjones> this client is quite pretty though
[08:37] <geokjones> i dig the today/yesterday grouping
[08:39] <geokjones> do you have any other apps at all
[08:39] <nhaines> DanChapman: right now my favorite "I've had 7 hours of sleep in three days sure I'll do a live Internet interview" moment was when I was asked at SCALE if Ubuntu phones had an email client.
[08:39] <nhaines> And I said yes, it was based on Trello.
[08:39] <DanChapman> I have a semi working IRC client I am still to finish.
[08:40] <nhaines> In other news I hate the new icon and love the actual client.  :)
[08:40] <geokjones> now -that- is something i'm totally interested in.
[08:40] <DonkeyHotei> DanChapman: how?
[08:40] <DanChapman> nhaines: hah "based on Trello". That's superb!
[08:41] <mcphail> SturmFlut: saw yourr blog post. How dare you say there's no native Syncthing client! :)
[08:42] <mcphail> (it may be ugly, but it does work and it is native)
[08:42] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Does it work in the background, when confined?
[08:42] <mcphail> SturmFlut: yep
[08:42] <DanChapman> nhaines: A few people have mentioned about the icon now. It was given to us by the canonical icon guy. IMO it doesn't stand out like it used to, but I still quite like it
[08:43] <SturmFlut> mcphail: What? How did you do that?
[08:43] <nhaines> DanChapman: it just looks depressingly generic.  More importantly, it feels like it doesn't quite fit into the Ubuntu squircle shape.
[08:43] <mcphail> SturmFlut: by exploiting a bug. Expect it to stop working at some point
[08:43] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Hahaha
[08:43] <SturmFlut> mcphail: I knew it
[08:43] <DanChapman> DonkeyHotei: "how?" ??
[08:43] <DonkeyHotei> [Sat 2015-06-27 01:39:51 AM PDT] <DanChapman> I have a semi working IRC client I am still to finish.
[08:43] <nhaines> DanChapman: the new icons in wily are quite striking.  I have to check again but I didn't get the impression that the new Dekko one matched.  :)
[08:44] <mcphail> SturmFlut: if you don't create a GUI, your app can run forever
[08:45] <SturmFlut> mcphail: Nice one
[08:45] <DanChapman> DonkeyHotei: By writing some code :-)
[08:45] <nhaines> Good ol' fashioned elbow grease!  :)
[08:46] <DonkeyHotei> but apps can't run in the background
[08:46] <nhaines> Well not with that attitude they can't.
[08:46] <DanChapman> np but znc runs on a server ;)
[08:46] <DanChapman> s/np/no
[08:47] <DonkeyHotei> so it requires znc?
[08:48] <DanChapman> It doesn't have to and works without, but if you want to get the backlog when you open the app then yeah
[08:49] <DonkeyHotei> so it just disconnects when you bring something else to the front?
[08:49] <DanChapman> yep same as any other app
[08:51] <DonkeyHotei> i had better on j2me
[08:52] <nhaines> Nobody who ever had to deal with j2me would say something like that.
[08:53] <svij> j2me?
[08:54] <nhaines> svij: the less said, the better.  :)
[08:55] <svij> oh, right.
[08:55]  * svij checked google results.
[08:57] <SturmFlut> J2ME was about as cool back then as HTML5 is today
[09:13] <geokjones> well
[09:13] <geokjones> it -appears- to work well
[09:13] <geokjones> although my research has lead me to believe that battery life is abysmal
[09:14] <tathhu> o.o
[09:14] <tathhu> Nexus 7 didn't woke up from deep sleep :(
[09:14] <geokjones> i'm using a 5
[09:15] <tathhu> I know
[09:15] <geokjones> of course you do.
[09:15] <tathhu> :P
[09:15] <geokjones> you're a wizard, harry.
[09:16] <tathhu> Battery  % ~60
[09:16] <tathhu> Daaamn
[09:16] <tathhu> What is this :( pls don't do this again
[09:16] <tathhu> Oh, my tablet isn't here.
[10:26] <atya> hi all
[10:27] <atya> if I have some UX ideas about the core touch apps, is it correct to create some feature-request bugs in launchpad for the app?
[10:28] <atya> or there is any way to discuss feature requests?
[10:28] <atya> I am a Qt programmer, so I can help, if somebody tell me, how can I do it
[10:29] <atya> if I create a patch, there is some way to merge it to head?
[10:29] <atya> is anybody here?
[10:30] <tathhu> Yes, but maybe someone who knows answer for you isn't :P
[10:32] <popey> hi atya
[10:32] <popey> this place is busier during the week.
[10:32] <popey> atya: anything specific? I can help point you in the right direction
[10:33] <atya> I have created a bug, the link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dialer-app/+bug/1469382
[10:33] <atya> popey:  the dialer app is suboptimal
[10:34] <atya> popey:  I wait for a real Linux based phone for years, I love the Touch, but I want to improve it, actually I have to
[10:34] <atya> popey:  it is a little bit silly somewhere
[10:35]  * popey looks
[10:35] <popey> let me see if I can confirm it
[10:36] <atya> this is primary a phone, isn't it?
[10:37] <popey> when you say "primary target number" what do you mean?
[10:37] <popey> Someone you dial frequently
[10:38] <atya> yes, the number, what I call many times a day
[10:38] <popey> ok, so there's two ways you can do that faster..
[10:38] <popey> 1) In the today scope, scroll up and your most recent contacts are there, tap one, tap call.
[10:38] <popey> 2) in the dialer app, swipe up from the bottom to find recent calls, swipe up, tap one, call
[10:38] <popey> much faster than searching through contacts
[10:39] <atya> ok, I have two comments:
[10:40] <brobostigon> question, does QI charging on the nexus 4 work?
[10:41] <atya> I am a new phone user (I have it for 2days), it seemed the easiest way to call my primary contact, so it has to improve the way
[10:41] <atya> 2nd: today scope is slow and cpu hungry, so I switch it off
[10:42] <atya> I know, slow becase of my network connection, but I needn't it. I would like to call some people, if I want to know about the weather or news, I will start my browser
[10:42] <atya> I know, I am old school
[10:43] <nhaines> atya: you could also just turn off weather or news in the Today scope.
[10:43] <atya> But who is the target of Touch? I think the old school guys, primarily
[10:43] <atya> nhaines:  I will try
[10:43] <nhaines> atya: the target of Ubuntu is an average consumer.
[10:44] <atya> nhaines:  I try to find the best ways to use my new phone, so my experiences are some users first impressions
[10:44] <atya> I think this is very valuable about UX perspective
[10:45] <atya> If there is any platform, where I can communicate it to core developers
[10:45] <atya> nhaines:  average consumer will buy Android, sorry
[10:46] <popey> maybe today
[10:46] <popey> it's early days
[10:46] <atya> IMO the big deal about Touch is the convergence
[10:46] <atya> popey:  I agree
[10:46] <atya> popey:  but it have to be confortable to get users
[10:47] <nhaines> "old school" users will surely be able to abuse and manipulate an Ubuntu phone to do anything they want, in the usual Linux tradition.
[10:47] <atya> much confortable than now
[10:47] <nhaines> But that's more of an argument to ignore them in the design consideration, in my opinion.
[10:48] <atya> nhaines:  I don't want an old school phone with shell scripts to call a number :D I need a cool, neat phone with convergence features
[10:49] <nhaines> I love the Ubuntu interface, but I've only been using Linux for 19 years, so maybe I'm too new.
[10:49] <nhaines> No wait, it's been 21 years.  Where did the time go?
[10:49] <atya> I use it fo20 years :D
[10:49]  * nhaines is just happy you can eject a floppy disk without unmounting it without the kernel panicking.
[10:50] <atya> :D yeah
[10:50] <popey> atya: you know we only shipped our first phone a couple of months back
[10:50] <popey> remember android first release?
[10:51] <nhaines> popey: best only 30 apps in the store ever.  But the T-Mobile G1 came with Pac-Man, so I had that going for me, which was nice.
[10:51] <atya> yea, it will much suxer than Touch today, I know
[10:51] <egon1> hi
[10:51] <egon1> what kind of browser is in ubuntutouch included? firefox?
[10:51] <atya> s/will/was/
[10:51] <nhaines> egon1: Ubuntu Browser.
[10:52] <egon1> so is it impossibe to use whatsappweb?
[10:52] <popey> not impossible
[10:52] <popey> but impractical
[10:52] <popey> because you'd also need an android or ios device nearby and on
[10:52] <egon1> mhm
[10:52] <egon1> and pidgin-whatsapp?
[10:52] <popey> dunno if that's been ported
[10:52] <atya> ok, I will try to config the today scope, and I will see, what will the answer for my feature request.
[10:52] <nhaines> It hasn't.
[10:53] <atya> I have to work
[10:53] <atya> thank and bye
[10:53] <egon1> popey: its possible to inatlling pidgin-whatsapp?
[10:53] <brobostigon> does telepathy, which is already there have a whatsapp extension?
[10:55] <egon1> ah sorry
[11:03] <SturmFlut> Interesting, the Firefox Marketplace seems to be able to restrict apps to countries and mobile country codes. So you can e.g. limit an app to T-Mobile USA.
[11:03] <geokjones> anyone touch savy around here
[11:03] <geokjones> i have an important question.
[11:03] <SturmFlut> brobostigon: No, and it most likely never will. Building a Telepathy plugin for WhatsApp is the exact opposite of WhatsApp's/Facebook's strategy.
[11:04] <geokjones> is there some command i can give it to make this thing louder/
[11:05] <SturmFlut> egon1: pidgin-whatsapp is also no solution, WhatsApp will forever try to ban you for using it
[11:06] <SturmFlut> geokjones: Which thing exactly?
[11:07] <brobostigon> SturmFlut: good point.
[11:09] <egon1> mhm i use bq aquaris4,5 ubuntu  but only sometimes is importand to view in whatsapp-goup
[11:09] <egon1> and i dont have android-devices
[11:11] <geokjones> SturmFlut, i have ubuntu flashed onto my nexus 5, but the notification sounds are too quiet.
[11:11] <geokjones> there a way to make them louder through some wizardry
[11:11] <tathhu> Volume rocker?
[11:11] <geokjones> you got jokes
[11:12] <tathhu> Sorry :(
[11:12] <geokjones> =P
[11:12] <geokjones> it's fine.
[11:12] <tathhu> I'm not having such problem on N7 :D
[11:12] <geokjones> i'll probably just reflash android
[11:12] <SturmFlut> geokjones: Ah, those things. Usually they should be loud enough on the highest volume setting, but if not, the backend is pulseaudio, and AFAIK it can set the volume above 100%
[11:13] <SturmFlut> But I don't think that's a good idea, you might destroy the speakers
[11:13] <tathhu> I guess my earlier no-wake-up-from-deep-sleep is problem on n7
[11:13] <tathhu> Or i'm binging wrong :(
[11:13] <SturmFlut> egon1: How do you normally use WhatsApp, without an Android device?
[11:17] <brunch875> I've never been as extreme for freedom as Mr. Stallman, but whatsapp and  facebook make me sympatize with him
[11:17] <brunch875> These kind of issues woudln't happen if it wasn't for their policies
[11:18] <brunch875> if it was for me, I'd never integrate whatsapp with utouch
[11:18]  * brobostigon is still happy though, xmpp chat.facebook.com is still working.
[11:18] <brunch875> is it? It doesn't work for me...
[11:19] <brobostigon> it works here in bitlbee.
[11:19] <tathhu> Works for me too (on Jolla thought)
[11:20] <BOHverkill> am I the only one who have the e4.5 reboot problem?
[11:20]  * brobostigon really needs to save up to buy one of those jolla phones.
[11:20] <tathhu> brobostigon: :P
[11:20] <brobostigon> pebble support, :)
[11:21] <tathhu> haha
[11:21] <brobostigon> it does.
[11:21] <tathhu> just for pebble?
[11:21] <tathhu> i know
[12:08] <SturmFlut> 25 Firefox OS apps with most ratings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11783122/
[12:09] <SturmFlut> LINE, two WhatsApp clients and an instant messenger at the top
[12:09] <SturmFlut> OpenWapp and ConnectA2 probably because they often don't work
[12:15] <SturmFlut> But it's interesting to see LINE here, if it actually works on FF OS, there is hope for an Ubuntu port
[12:36] <brobostigon> ffos has the same disadvantage as ubuntu touch for the moment, which exists in sailfish, no real IM client(like pidgin/ empathy etc), that can notify of new messages.
[12:42] <popey> SturmFlut: seen the top 25 tizen apps?
[12:43] <popey> SturmFlut: http://imgur.com/82IvXGO
[12:43] <popey> thats May 2015
[12:43] <gihel> any web app for xmpp/jabber ?
[12:44] <SturmFlut> popey: Okay, not many additions to my list, just WhatsApp, Opera and the rest is random games
[12:45] <SturmFlut> popey: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the plan for Ubuntu is to use Telepathy as a common backend for everything message-related, right?
[13:23] <popey> SturmFlut: i believe so
[13:24] <SturmFlut> popey: Hm, then I hope we can get all those existing Telepathy plugins working soon.
[13:41] <brobostigon> which eventually will close bug 1247216
[13:52] <INdek> Can anyone tell me if the ubuntu phone keyboard has support for the swipe thing(i dont know the name, simlar to swiftkey and swype)?
[14:01] <popey> INdek: not yet
[14:02] <popey> INdek: i believe there is work going in that area
[14:02] <brobostigon> gone through all the bugs/wishlist on my list, and they all were already filed,
[14:05] <INdek> popey i only need that and a ebook reader on my phone, and i should be replacing mine in ~6 / 12 months
[14:05] <popey> brobostigon: that's good I guess :)
[14:05] <popey> INdek: we have an ebook reader
[14:05] <popey> so that's good
[14:05] <brobostigon> popey: i would agree, yes, :)
[14:06] <popey> :)
[14:07] <brobostigon> the wishlist i mentioned above, was high on the list.
[14:09] <brobostigon> popey: under which section does the gmail notification come under?
[14:09] <brobostigon> do the*
[14:10] <popey> that's under webapps-core IMO
[14:10] <popey> you're taking the webapp gmail notifications, right? not dekko?
[14:11] <brobostigon> yep.
[14:13] <DanChapman> wouldn't it be accounts-polld? that does all webapp notifications IIRC
[14:15] <popey> DanChapman: knows more than me, clearly :)
[14:16] <brobostigon> ok, where would i find bugs related to accounts-polld then?
[14:17]  * popey looks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[14:17]  * popey waits for wiki 
[14:17] <DanChapman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-polld
[14:17] <DanChapman> :-D
[14:18] <popey> \o/
[14:18] <brobostigon> ty, :)
[14:19] <DanChapman> np
[14:20] <brobostigon> ok, i have a new bug i need to file in there then.
[15:25] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Ping
[16:08] <qkzoo1978> Is UT stable on a Nexus 7 now?  I haven't tried it yet, but am willing to give it a go if it's at least mostly stable.
[16:23] <qkzoo1978> I wanted to play around with Ubuntu Touch, see if I want to develop for it, is it stable enough to use on a Nexus 7, 2013?
[16:59] <anpok> qkzoo1978: yes
[17:00] <anpok> nexus7 is pretty well supported.. as you an see in the various youtube videos..
[17:26] <qkzoo1978> I've read a few articles, but I think they were old, so I wasn't sure if anything had changed recently or not.
[18:23] <bunty> hi guys, is there any other ubuntu system for nexus 7 except ubuntu touch?
[18:23] <bunty> and how to install it?
[18:28] <bunty_> is there any other ubuntu system for nexus 7 except ubuntu touch?
[18:28] <bunty_>  and how to install it?
[21:09] <matv1> anyone here using recent a wily image on a bq?
[21:10] <matv1> a while back I talked with some canonical dev about adding to notification bubble and notification menu messages to which sim an incoming call/sms mms was made.
[21:10] <matv1> I think there was talk of doing that in a recnt sprint
[21:10] <matv1> I want to check if that landed in any image yet.
[21:13] <matv1> can anyone confirm/deny?
[21:24] <matv1> hmm weird, I don't even see a bug/fr in launchpad?
[21:31] <doflaherty> is the devel channel broken?  I'm getting daily updates to it and they are incredibly buggy... it feels more like I'm on devel-proposed
[21:47] <matv1> doflaherty  I am running devel-proposed on mako and stable on the BQ and neither of those are behaving badly. What is it you are seeing?
[21:49] <doflaherty> on mako, I can't send text messages or make phone calls unless I'm connect to wifi
[21:49] <doflaherty> and I just got a text message from one person, but it showed up in another person's thread in the messaging app
[21:50] <doflaherty> system-image-cli says I'm running devel-proposed, but I'm not sure how that happened
[21:51] <matv1> hmm thats bad. but I cant' t confirm deny as I am not using a sim in my mako.
[21:51] <doflaherty> it seems to be an issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1467640
[21:51] <doflaherty> I just thought I was on a more stable channel
[21:54] <matv1> system-image-cli --info should be correct so you are on devel proposed. what is the image nbr displayed?
[21:54] <doflaherty> 238
[21:55] <matv1> thats the latest
[21:55] <matv1> I suppose you should " me too" that bug :)
[21:56] <doflaherty> yep
[22:08] <doflaherty> flashed back to stable and the network works again