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hyper_chhmmm, can't get apache2 to install08:23
lordievaderGood morning.09:35
BluesKajHi folks13:03
hyper_chhi BluesKaj13:11
hyper_ch15.10 running fine except I can't install wine :(13:11
hyper_chand seems I have bad ram :(13:11
BluesKajhi hyper_ch , bummer13:11
hyper_chwell, btrfs makes a lot more checks and I have issues with some files.... the smart people think it's du to bit flipping because of bad ram13:12
hyper_ch:(((13:12
penguin42oh if it's badram then just leave your machine at memtest86 overnight13:13
hyper_chpenguin42: you're here also?13:16
hyper_chdang13:16
hyper_chno, that was someone else in #btrfs13:16
hyper_chyou just had same nick colour :)13:16
hyper_chthat's what they sad :(13:16
lordievaderpenguin42: I was about to suggest memtest...13:16
hyper_chram should still have warranty... it's kingston and I think 2 years old13:17
lordievaderhyper_ch: Well... test it ;)13:18
hyper_chbut I don't like to reboot my notebook into testmode for the night :)13:18
hyper_chbut I have no other choice13:18
hyper_chbut on a more serious node: wine doesn't want to get installed :(13:19
lordievaderWith what error?13:20
hyper_chwrong/missing dependencies:  https://paste.debian.net/262603/13:20
hyper_chfinally time for One Piece and World Trigger :)13:21
lordievaderYou have a very broken package system.13:21
lordievaderDo you use ppa's?13:21
hyper_chonly some13:22
lordievaderWhich ones?13:22
hyper_chlet's see... Kubuntu Beta Backport, Google, Steam, Wine (deactivated it but no luck either) Mozilla Daily, owncloud, Virtualbox13:22
hyper_chand wily: main, restricted, universe, multiverse for security, updates, proposed and backports13:23
lordievaderAh, what is the output of 'apt-cache policy libqt5opengl5'?13:24
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262607/13:24
BluesKajproposed is dangerous13:25
hyper_chwell, I have now btrfs... I can snapshot before I do something dangerous13:25
lordievaderGood spot. Read over that one. That is probably the cause of all this.13:25
hyper_ch(still need to read on how to restore a snap shot)13:25
hyper_chis there a way to find out if/which packages were installed from a given repo?13:26
lordievaderErr, you could script something.13:27
BluesKajwhy fool with an unstable filesystem if you have to snapshot to make sure you can install packages safely, that's just a vicvious cycle13:27
hyper_chget a list of installed packages. do that apt-cache policy thing and filter out where it was installed from13:28
BluesKajbah13:28
hyper_chshouldn't be too hard with some bash and awk13:28
hyper_chI commented out the proposed but still same13:28
lordievaderhyper_ch: Yeah.13:29
lordievaderCommenting out a repo does not magically remove the packages installed from it.13:29
hyper_chif there are packages installed from it13:29
penguin42I'm not sure if you have the info about where the package originally came from; the policy stuff I think tells you where it would come from13:29
lordievaderAnyhow start investigating your broken packages first. They will probably give a clue as to where they come from.13:29
lordievaderOr what repo might cause this.13:29
hyper_chwhich broken packages?13:30
lordievaderhyper_ch: The list you just gave me.13:30
lordievaderFirst paste.13:30
hyper_chyeah, that happens when I try to install wine13:30
hyper_chbut nothing is broken in the current state13:30
lordievaderIt does look like it. KDE libs have very little to do with Wine.13:30
hyper_chapt-get -f install13:31
hyper_chPaketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig13:31
hyper_chAbhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.13:31
hyper_chStatusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig13:31
hyper_ch0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.13:31
hyper_chall is fine13:31
lordievaderObviously not all is fine.13:31
hyper_chit just says wine depends on xxx but xxx (version= can't be installed13:31
hyper_chso what is wrong then except wine not having satisfactory dependencies?13:32
lordievaderCan you perform an update?13:32
hyper_chyes13:32
lordievaderapt-get dist-upgrade I mean, not apt-get update.13:32
hyper_chapt-get dist-upgrade13:33
hyper_chPaketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig13:33
hyper_chAbhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.13:33
hyper_chStatusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig13:33
hyper_chPaketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig13:33
hyper_ch0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert.13:33
lordievaderHmm. Where does your wine come from?13:33
hyper_chI tried wine ppa13:34
hyper_chand without it13:34
hyper_chresult is the same13:34
lordievaderWhere is it coming from now?13:35
hyper_chhow to figure that out?13:35
lordievaderhyper_ch: apt-cache policy ofcourse ;)13:36
hyper_chI don't believe in policies ;)13:36
hyper_chapt-cache policy wine13:37
hyper_chwine:13:37
hyper_ch  Installiert:           (keine)13:37
hyper_ch  Installationskandidat: 1:1.7.44-0ubuntu113:37
hyper_ch  Versionstabelle:13:37
hyper_ch     1:1.7.44-0ubuntu1 013:37
hyper_ch        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages13:37
hyper_ch     1:1.6.2-0ubuntu9 013:37
hyper_ch        500 http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/universe amd64 Packages13:37
hyper_chweird, I did disable the wine ppa13:37
hyper_ch(actually it seems I didn't)13:37
hyper_chok, deactivated the PPA, same result still :)13:39
lordievader!paste | hyper_ch13:40
ubottuhyper_ch: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.13:40
lordievaderhyper_ch: Did you update your sources?13:40
hyper_chI did13:41
lordievaderThen the ppa is defined somewhere else too.13:41
hyper_chapt-cache policy wine13:41
hyper_chwine:13:41
hyper_ch  Installiert:           (keine)13:41
hyper_ch  Installationskandidat: 1:1.7.44-0ubuntu113:41
hyper_ch  Versionstabelle:13:41
hyper_ch     1:1.7.44-0ubuntu1 013:41
hyper_ch        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages13:41
hyper_ch     1:1.6.2-0ubuntu9 013:41
hyper_ch        500 http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ wily/universe amd64 Packages13:41
hyper_chI just told you13:41
hyper_chI did deactivated it13:41
hyper_chsame result13:41
penguin42yeh but you may have some random packages already installed from it13:42
hyper_chfrom what?13:42
lordievaderhyper_ch: Please use a paste service next time.13:42
hyper_chlordievader: even with this low traffic here?13:42
lordievaderhyper_ch: Yes.13:42
lordievaderhyper_ch: I'm trying to make the point that the ppa might be defined a second time elsewhere.13:43
penguin42hyper_ch: So you turn on a ppa, you instlal some packages some of which might come from the ppa and everything gets messy - you can try to use ppa-purge to cleanup13:43
hyper_chlordievader: it is not13:43
hyper_chpenguin42: from the wine ppa nothing got installed13:43
lordievaderhyper_ch: Then apt-cache should not show it.13:43
hyper_chlordievader: apt-cache isn't shwoing it anymore13:43
lordievaderAh, can you install Wine now?13:43
hyper_chno, same result13:43
lordievaderCould you pastebin the error with the output of 'apt-cache policy wine'?13:44
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262776/13:44
lordievaderActually make it 'apt-cache policy wine1.6'13:45
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262778/13:46
hyper_chfound the problem13:47
hyper_chwine wants binfmt-support >= 1.1.213:47
hyper_chand v. 2.1.5-1 is in the repo13:47
hyper_chit seems it doesn't like the version jump to 213:47
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262780/13:48
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262781/13:49
lordievaderI think it is the font-config, try 'apt-get install --no-install-recommends wine13:49
lordievader'13:49
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262782/13:50
hyper_chno lucky13:50
lordievaderDpkg doesn't care about version jumps as long as 2.1.5 >= 1.1.2 is satisfied, dpkg doesn't care.13:50
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262783/13:50
hyper_chit complains about the i386 package but that bversion is fine13:51
lordievaderIt did remove the list though ;) apt-get install --no-install-recommends wine1.6-i386 (if you run 64bit: wine1.6-amd64)13:51
hyper_ch wine1.6-amd64 : Hängt ab von: wine1.6:any (= 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu9)13:52
hyper_chstill complaining there13:52
hyper_chhttp://paste.debian.net/262784/13:52
lordievaderAh it depends on both...13:53
hyper_chbut those versions are there13:53
lordievaderAre they version 1.6.2-0ubuntu9?13:54
hyper_chhttp://paste.debian.net/262785/13:56
lordievaderI ment the wine1.6-i368 and wine1.6-amd64 packages ;)13:56
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262786/13:57
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262787/13:57
lordievaderOdd stuff.13:58
hyper_chtold you so :)13:58
hyper_chI'm good at odd stuff and breaking things13:59
lordievaderYou could try to install those packages manually with dpkg to see if you get a clearer error.13:59
hyper_chhmmm, it's empty:  http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/universe/binary-i386/14:01
lordievaderLooks fine to me?14:01
hyper_chshouldn't there be debs listed?14:01
lordievaderNo, they are here: http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/wine1.6/14:02
hyper_chsize 1kb... doesn't sound right IMHO14:02
lordievaderIt is a meta package, look at apt-cache show14:03
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262790/14:03
hyper_chlooks like those meta packages are wrong... they still ask for wine 1.414:03
hyper_chand wine1.4 depends on wine 1.6?14:04
lordievaderYou are trying to install a meta package for wine1.4, of course it will ask for wine1.4.14:04
hyper_chok :)14:04
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262793/14:06
lordievaderhyper_ch: Run apt-get install -f14:07
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262794/14:08
lordievaderErr, purge the 1.4 and try to install (manually) the -i386 and -amd64 packages.14:08
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262795/14:10
hyper_chhttp://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/binfmt-support/  --> empty14:11
lordievaderhyper_ch: Purge with dpkg not apt.14:11
hyper_chbinfmt is in main14:11
hyper_chwhat do you mean purge with dpkg?14:12
lordievaderdpkg -P14:12
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262796/14:13
lordievaderAre both -i386 and -amd64 installed* ?14:16
hyper_chhow to find out?14:16
lordievaderI am asking you, did you try to install both with dpkg?14:16
hyper_chyes, it's in the pastebin14:16
lordievaderIn the pastebin was only -i386.14:17
hyper_chdpkg -i wine1.6_1.6.2-0ubuntu9_amd64.deb wine1.6_1.6.2-0ubuntu9_i386.deb14:17
hyper_chamd64 and i38614:17
lordievaderOk, run apt-get install -f again.14:17
hyper_chhttps://paste.debian.net/262807/14:18
lordievaderHmm, well that didn't work. Purge the three packages with dpkg -P.14:19
hyper_chit seems the amd/386 packages weren't installed properly14:20
hyper_chor at all14:20
lordievaderNone of them ;)14:21
hyper_chonly could purge wine1.614:21
lordievaderMeh, can you still upgrade your machine and install other packages (not wine related packages)?14:21
hyper_chinstalling build-essential seems to work fine14:22
lordievaderAllright, good. I have no idea how to fix this. From what I gather it depends on something it is quite capable of installing but still refuses to do so.14:23
hyper_chmaybe that's the reason why it's still alpha ;)14:23
hyper_chthe versions seems fine imho14:23
lordievaderThis is more likely a packaging issue.14:24
hyper_chBluesKaj: you're using kubuntu 15.10 right?15:23
BluesKajyes, but I don't have any ppas active in my sources , so a comparison isn't valid15:24
hyper_chBluesKaj: is there an unread mail widget? I can't find any for kontact15:24
BluesKaji don't use kmail or kontact , not since kde315:25
hyper_chI see15:25
BluesKajI have no need for them , I'm a home user15:26
penguin42oh, hang on what's the name of the thing in kde these days - I have tried to use it15:27
BluesKajakonadi?15:28
penguin42hyper_ch: install kdepim and set up akonadi and it does calendar stuff15:28
penguin42BluesKaj: Yeh15:28
hyper_chpenguin42: I'm using kontact15:28
hyper_chbut I'm looking for an unread mail systray notification15:29
BluesKajit's a server for kmail and PIM, mostly need for users on the job who have to keep a 10K plus email database15:29
BluesKajneeded15:29
penguin42BluesKaj: Well I use mutt for that :-)15:30
BluesKajyeah, I just thunderbird, but my eamil clients are all webmail anyway , my former ISPsold it's email serveice to hotmail so i dropped them15:32
BluesKajmy current ISP has an email service app, but it doesn't work with thunderbird, so i just use their webmail service for any correspondence they have for their cuatomers...kmail in KDE3 was a great email client, I really missed it ...tried mutt but it didn't work well for me15:36
BluesKajcustomers,,damn spell check isn't woking either15:36
* penguin42 doesn't use his ISPs mail15:36
BluesKajit's becoming frustrating tryingto  help 15.04 users whose desktops are crashing due to the wrong gpu drivers being loaded from the kernel /dkms15:39
penguin42BluesKaj: Can you explain that a bit more - which type of wrong ?15:40
* lordievader is wondering the same15:42
BluesKajpenguin42, the drivers from a previous install if the net install method is used, according to one dev and for nvidia the nouveau driver isn't working with some nvidia gpus15:42
lordievaderYou mean /lib/modules wasn't nuked?15:43
* penguin42 doesn't see how something from a previous install could survive without a much bigger mess - unless this is an upgrade where it's keeping the old version?15:44
BluesKajseems so , users have to clear the cache in some cases aswell15:44
penguin42driver modules on an upgrade wouldn't be a big surprise15:44
lordievaderStill seems very unlikely.15:44
BluesKajthe ones who know how to15:44
TJ-/lib/modules/ shouldn't be 'nuked'15:44
TJ-and DKMS modules are built on a per-kernel-version basis when the kernel is installed15:45
lordievaderAgreed, but for a new install.15:45
TJ-maybe the installed DKMS *sources* for the installed drivers are being built against the new kernel, and are failing due to changes in the kernel interfaces. I often have to fix that for nvidia, for example15:45
lordievaderBluesKaj: Could ^ be the problem?15:46
penguin42that would only be for an upgrade though, not a fresh install15:46
penguin42closed driver problems after an upgrade aren't that unusual - I'd always suggest remove and reinstall15:46
BluesKajTJ-, well nvidia seems to have the most problems with the desktop crashing after login from sddm15:46
penguin42(for the closed drivers)15:46
TJ-For example, with Nvidia drivers specifically, they sometimes remove support for some older GPUs from the 'current' package version and move it to the 'legacy' package version... which *does* cause lots of issues15:47
penguin42oh, yeh that's fun15:47
penguin42TJ-: Ah I guess if people to an upgrade it will upgrade the current package to the latest version and be broken rather than realising it needs to install the legacy?15:47
TJ-When we do a major kernel version change that can change the interfaces the nvidia kernel-wedge expects, as well. I found one of those in Linux v4.2 merge window yesterday - not even sure how Nvidia will work around it:15:48
TJ-https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/849487/geforce-drivers/linux-v4-2-uses-gpl-only-symbol-flush_workqueue-/15:48
penguin42yeh should keep them busy15:49
TJ-penguin42: Yes, that is always a possibility since our upgrader policy is to replace with the same identical package (which for nvidia/fglxr could mean introducing a closed-source driver that no longer supports the PCI IDs of the GPU)15:49
penguin42BluesKaj: If people have nouveau not working on particular cards they need to be reported; I'm guessing most of the cases are fairly simple fixes15:50
TJ-Most nouveau issues tend to be caused by artifacts left-over from an nvidia installation :)15:50
penguin42nod15:50
BluesKajpenguin42, yes , i hope so15:51
penguin42TJ-: Will the legacy and current driver packages install at the same time?15:51
TJ-penguin42: Yes15:51
penguin42TJ-: Would it be possible to make an update hook that detected if they had the 'current' driver installed, and if so installed the legacy package as well?15:52
TJ-penguin42: For example I have to use the legacy nvidia 340 package because Nvidia dropped support for the NVS420 from the later drivers15:52
TJ-penguin42: Definitely - all it needs is a debian preinst hook that checks the existing GPU(s) PCI ID and checks which package is required to drive that15:53
penguin42TJ-: Sounds like a good idea then - people not getting X after upgrade isn't nice for the less capable users15:54
TJ-My laptop has a GeForce  8600M plus an external NVS420 (2 GPUs) and that's the last driver to support both. If I allowed the installer to work automatically it'd install the 'current' driver since that does still support one of the GPUs... but then breaks my entire setup15:54
TJ-I have the NVS420 in a ViDock connected via the ExpressCard PCIe interface15:55
penguin42ah you don't make it easy for yourself then :-)15:56
robin-heroHi all!15:56
TJ-I don't have any issues... I keep the system stable and it 'just works'15:56
penguin42TJ-: What's a ViDock ?15:57
robin-heroI have a problem with ubuntu-desktop-next15:57
TJ-http://www.villageinstruments.com/tiki-index.php?page=ViDock15:57
BluesKajtlyu, yes the 8000  series nvidia driver seems to require the 340 driver, the 346 works , but it's unstable15:57
BluesKajTJ-, ^15:58
TJ-but doesn't like the NVS42015:58
penguin42TJ-: Oh the price on those aren't too bad - I had seen another vendors that did an external PCIe chassis and it was pricey15:58
TJ-penguin42: I can highly recommend it, I've been very impressed.15:58
robin-heroSomething is weird with the fonts: http://i.imgur.com/EJr9LLM.jpg15:59
robin-heroany idea?15:59
TJ-The only time I had problems was when the PSU for it was overheating because I had it on a parcel shelf right under the workbench15:59
penguin42TJ-: Yeh well, if you're going to be cruel to it15:59
TJ-penguin42: hehehe yeah... but I'm kind to the laptop. I got a Zalman laptop cooler, cracked it out of its case, and mounted it flush in the surface of my desk so the laptop sits on top of it flat on the desk :)16:01
TJ-ha! I thought this was #ubuntu-discuss!16:01
penguin42:-)16:01
robin-heroHow can I enable -proposed channel for Ubuntu Desktop Next16:06
robin-hero?16:07
TJ-robin-hero: Do you mean 15.10 ?16:08
robin-heroyes, but with unity816:08
TJ-robin-hero: I'm not sure it is useful. I was reading on the -devel mail list recently and one of the archive admins pointed out that although its there its only used for the upload queue and all packages go straight into the main release archive as soon as they are published... that changes after Release of course, when the main archive is frozen and we use -updates and -proposed16:11
robin-heroHey all! Is somebody can help me? How can I install Chromium (or Firefox) on Unity8 (Ubuntu Desktop Next 15.10)?18:22
robin-heroBecause I can't use the default browser, it doesn't work18:22

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