[01:44] <mhall119> ahoneybun: FOSSETCON will be in November this year, so after 15.10's release, just FYI
[01:45] <ahoneybun> true
[01:45] <mhall119> valorie: I'm looking to see what it would cost to print them with whoever is printing the Ubuntu DVDs for Canonical
[01:46] <mhall119> then using the community donations to pay for it
[01:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.ok1.de/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T450s-20BWS03E00--884.html
[01:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: squeee
[01:47] <valorie> thank you, mhall119
[01:47] <ahoneybun> valorie: if we want DVDs for akademy they would have to be 15.04
[01:48] <ahoneybun> but everyone there knows about KDE there :)
[01:48] <ahoneybun> FOSSETCON would be a whole new userbase
[01:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: so we pick akademy, fossetcon, or both lol
[01:56] <valorie> you will get more people wanting to USE a dvd at fosset
[01:56] <ahoneybun> yea
[01:56] <valorie> more people wanting to collect at Akademy
[01:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: a friend of mine is working on a machine that will make usb thumb drives with Linux on it
[01:57] <ahoneybun> if you have seen those new coke machines with the touch screen
[01:57] <ahoneybun> you pick your FLAVOR of Linux lol
[01:57] <valorie> cool
[01:58] <ahoneybun> http://lmc.gatech.edu/~djakacki3/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/five-guys-sweet-soda-machine.jpeg
[01:58] <ahoneybun> I vote for Fossetcon
[01:59] <ahoneybun> put it in the hands of people who would try Plasma 5 for the first time
[01:59] <valorie> yup
[02:00] <valorie> also it leaves you free to just enjoy Akademy
[02:00] <ahoneybun> plus 15.10 will be better then 15.04 I hope
[02:00] <valorie> your first time, you'll want time to explore
[02:00]  * ahoneybun read that very very wrong
[02:00] <valorie> of course 15.10 will be better
[02:01] <valorie> 15.04 is a bit bumpy; so much new stuff
[02:01] <ahoneybun> I used to blame systemd but Ubuntu 15.04 is just fine
[02:01] <ahoneybun> with systemd
[02:01] <ahoneybun> still is bumpy
[02:01] <ahoneybun> damn Xorg or something
[02:01] <valorie> could be
[02:02] <ahoneybun> thing does not like me switching monitors
[02:02] <ahoneybun> it tears up the screen sometimes
[02:02] <ahoneybun> and I have to kill Xorg
[02:02] <valorie> I think I'll go out and try to do a bit of work outside since it's cooling off slightly
[02:02] <ahoneybun> I'll most likely be out before your back lol
[02:06]  * ahoneybun trys to hack a arduino to use a button to switch colors on LED
[04:09] <ovidiu-florin> https://plus.google.com/+OvidiuFlorinBogdan/posts/Z2hpvqYB7jv
[04:16] <valorie> looks great, ovidiu-florin!
[04:16] <valorie> I like it in B/W
[05:56] <seaLne> valorie, ahoneybun, Riddell: i'm not to sure how useful giving out kubuntu dvds at akademy would be. i'm sure lots of people would take them but they could also quite easily make them selves a usb stick with it on. if there is going to be a limited number some other conferences might be a better target imho. blue systems can have a table ("booth") if they want
[05:58] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: are you still awake?
[05:59] <ahoneybun> maybe ovidiu-florin
[05:59] <ahoneybun> thanks seaLne
[06:00] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: message me on telegram I'm doing something with a driver
[06:18] <Tm_T> I cannot paste anything to KDE applications at the moment
[06:18] <Tm_T> they just hang and wait and nothing get pasted
[06:18] <Tm_T> maybe dbus related?
[07:00] <soee> good morning
[07:12] <macguy> Hi, is it a good idea to istall Kubuntu on a Mac? Will I face any problems regarding software availability etc?
[07:16] <macguy> Also will I face any hardware issues? Something like the webcam not working fine, or any other piece of hardware?
[07:35] <soee> macguy: try it on virtual machine, i have no idea how it will work on mac :)
[07:36] <macguy> soee: I have used it on a virtual machine for quite some time now
[07:36] <macguy> its been running fine on virtualbox
[07:37] <soee> the only problem i see is taht you won't have all this fancy apps that mac offers
[07:37] <soee> hardware is hardware so it should works just fine i think
[07:39] <macguy> soee: would you recommend dual booting OS X and ubuntu?
[07:40] <Riddell> mparillo: wp upgraded and new theme on wire.kubuntu.org
[07:40] <Riddell> macguy: user questions are best on #kubuntu usually
[07:50] <soee> macguy: can't give any advice. i never used mac :) I'm running Kubuntu next to windows only and it works just fine
[07:52] <soee> if you create separate partitions for kubuntu, it's prettyu safe to install it and test. i'm not sure how bootloader works on mac and if it iwll be detect and updated properly by kubuntu
[07:52] <soee> always backup your origibnal (mac) data before such changes ;
[07:58] <scottn> If I wanted to build .deb packages of some of the latest KDE software for Ubuntu 15.04 is their any howtos on how to do this? I know how to compile the source and have a limited understanding of the debian rules. The bit I'm missing is how to two relate. 
[08:09] <soee> Riddell: ^
[08:12] <soee> scottn: maybe you are interested in packaging generally ? I think Jonathan could help you start with it and maybe you would liek to help Kubntu devs with packaging ? :)
[08:13] <Riddell> hi scottn
[08:14] <Riddell> you'd need to learn packaging in general which takes a few days of playing around
[08:14] <Riddell> then we have some scripts to do it in bulk but they're a bit fragile so you need to know how to fix them up
[08:15] <Riddell> but I think sgclark may be doing backports to 15.04
[08:15] <sitter> "fix"
[08:15] <Riddell> what do you want to package?
[08:22] <scottn> Riddell: Was wanting to do the 15.04.2 KDE applications but realised I didn't know enough to know where to start. I've added debian rules to source files to convert them to .debs but in this case these must already exist.
[08:23] <scottn> So was looking for some pointers on how you guys do it when you build stuff for the backports PPA.
[08:24] <scottn> That's my short term goal. Longer term I could maybe help with the packaging once I've understood what needs to be done and how it works.
[08:24] <Riddell> uh, sgclark I may have just screwed up
[08:24] <Riddell> scottn: can you build a package?
[08:25] <Riddell> cos you need to learn how to do it generally before you do bulk stuff
[08:26] <scottn> Yes. I'm happy creating my own debian directory with it's rules, dependencies etc for very small and simple source repositories, but never tried anything of the complexity of some of the KDE packages, other than build them from source.
[08:26] <Riddell> sgclark: ug yes I did, in tidying up the PPAs I forgot you had stuff in progress and deleted next-staging :( you may hit me
[08:27] <scottn> For that I've used the kdesrc package
[08:27] <Riddell> scottn: do you have a PPA?
[08:27] <scottn> No
[08:32] <Riddell> scottn: you'll need one :)
[08:33] <Riddell> scottn: these are the scripts we use to do bulk packaging https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/
[08:33] <scottn> Is that the same as a Ubuntu One account? I have one of those. 
[08:33] <Riddell> scottn: but as I say they're a bit bit-worn
[08:33] <Riddell> scottn: ubuntu one account will get you an account on launchpad, where you can make a PPA (personal package archive) and packages can be uploaded to
[08:34] <Riddell> scottn: we then have packaging in debian git http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[08:34] <Riddell> scottn: e.g. you can see the vivid_backports branch for amor that would be used for 15.04 backports http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/amor.git/
[08:35] <scottn> OK. Logged into launchpad with my ubuntu one account.
[08:36] <Riddell> scottn: one of the kubuntu-automation scripts will put together the packaging from git with the tar from kde.org and put it into a launchpad ppa
[08:36] <Riddell> scottn: and one of the other kubuntu-automation scripts will make a readable output like this so we can see if there's problems http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.1_vivid.html
[08:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:38] <soee> hiho lordievader
[08:39] <scottn> OK. Thanks. Let me have a look at those to start with and then hopefully I can start asking some intelligent questions :-). I'm in New Zealand so it's 8:37 pm so there may be a bit of a delay.
[08:40] <Riddell> scottn: and good to have you here, do stick around, try to let the politics not interfere with the fun too much
[08:40] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[08:50] <soee> lordievader: i'm fine, a lot of work to be done today :) you ?
[08:51] <lordievader> Slowly waking up.
[08:51] <Riddell> wgrant: resizing request if you have a minute https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/268643
[09:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: you got a new camera?
[09:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: alas no, just nim has hers
[10:29] <sick_rimmit> Oh Boy!! - I have a broken desktop
[10:30] <sick_rimmit> G+ Hangouts crashed my machine, and now I have a black desktop, now Kicker, system tray etc...
[10:31] <sick_rimmit> Oddly Konversation auto starts, and presents a window, hence how I can type in here
[10:32] <sick_rimmit> I suspect it's a corrupted session file, but I can't seem to find where they're stored..
[10:32] <sick_rimmit> any help appreciated
[10:33] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: ~/.config
[10:33] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: ~/.config/session
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> Ah, brill, I was looking in .kde
[13:34] <sgclark> Riddell: I was working in ninjas
[13:34] <Riddell> sgclark: ah good, I was worried I'd screwed up your work
[13:56] <Riddell> clivejo: how did you get on with calligra?
[16:04] <clivejo> Riddell: I cant get it any further
[16:04] <clivejo> its complaining about a missing lib file
[16:04] <clivejo> even though I put the file in the package#
[16:06] <Riddell> clivejo: it might be the ones in debian/rules
[16:06] <Riddell> clivejo: stuck the error on paste.kde.org
[16:06] <clivejo> I rm all 
[16:06] <Riddell> aww
[16:07] <clivejo> I was going to try Digikam4.11.0
[16:08] <clivejo> did you package calligra?
[16:11] <Riddell> clivejo: I've not no
[16:11] <Riddell> clivejo: digikam would be good, although it's not small either
[16:14] <clivejo> I cant work out what calligra is complaining about
[16:14] <clivejo> Ive googled for hours on it and still cant figure it out
[16:21] <Riddell> clivejo: it's probably something easyish but if you deleted it hard to find out now
[16:21] <Riddell> no bother, give digikam a try
[16:21] <clivejo> what base package should I use
[16:21] <clivejo> Ill try again
[16:22] <clivejo> I think it should be archived so I could recover the control file
[16:22] <clivejo> save me working out the deps again
[16:25] <clivejo> Riddell: what base package should I use?  I think I used the wrong one last time
[16:25] <Riddell> clivejo: for digikam?
[16:25] <clivejo> calligra
[16:26] <Riddell> clivejo: in bzr I think https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra
[16:26] <Riddell> so is digikam
[16:27] <Riddell> but only tackle it if you won't lose your soul over it
[16:27] <clivejo> ok let me try with that
[16:27] <clivejo> I want to learn, just hate getting stuck
[16:27] <clivejo> get so frustrated I have to go and split logs!
[16:32] <clivejo> Riddell: ok so tar ball is calligra_2.9.5.orig.tar.xz is that right?
[16:33] <Riddell> clivejo: yep
[16:35] <clivejo> ok when I do dch -i
[16:35] <clivejo> it has a section added by you
[16:35] <clivejo> calligra (1:2.9.2-0ubuntu4)
[16:35] <clivejo> but it doesnt appear to be signed off by you
[16:37] <clivejo> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/p8zu3q8ds
[16:37] <clivejo> do I keep that version numbering?
[16:38] <clivejo> 1:2.9.5-0ubuntu~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 ?
[16:38] <Riddell> clivejo: looks like I failed to commit that top version when I uploaded to the archive 1:2.9.2-0ubuntu3 
[16:38] <clivejo> what does the 1: mean
[16:39] <Riddell> so you can just change UNRELEASED to vivid and take it from there
[16:39] <Riddell> yes 1:2.9.5-0ubuntu~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 is right
[16:39] <Riddell> 1: is an epoch, it means at some point in the past someone screwed up the version numbers and had to add an epoch to reset them
[16:39] <clivejo> will I leave your comments in there?
[16:39] <Riddell> clivejo: yes
[16:40] <clivejo> will that epoch ever come out of the name?
[16:42] <clivejo> ok this is the error hit me before
[16:43] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/poqmhzopj
[16:44] <clivejo> Ive run "quilt refresh" but stillthrowing that error
[16:45] <clivejo> the patch has fuzz which is not allowed, or is malformed :/
[16:47] <clivejo> Riddell: poke
[16:47] <Riddell> yo
[16:47] <clivejo> LOL
[16:47] <Riddell> nah an epoch is forever
[16:47] <Riddell> like a puppy at christmas
[16:48] <Riddell> clivejo: quilt push kubuntu_krita_plugin_directory.diff; quilt refresh  ?
[16:50] <clivejo> Riddell: 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file krita/sketch/CMakeLists.txt
[16:50] <clivejo> Patch debian/patches/kubuntu_krita_plugin_directory.diff does not apply (enforce with -f)
[16:51] <clivejo> Riddell: do I have to force it?
[16:51] <Riddell> clivejo: you'll need to edit it manually then
[16:51] <Riddell> qulit push -f  will force it
[16:51] <Riddell> you'll get a .rej file
[16:51] <Riddell> open that and the file it tries to patch and work out how to apply the patch
[16:51] <Riddell> then save and quilt refresh
[16:52] <clivejo> I know knowing about quilt
[16:52] <clivejo> I need to learn this stuff
[16:52] <clivejo> know noththing
[16:53] <clivejo> ok "quilt refresh -f " seems to have cleared that error, but why?
[16:56] <Riddell> clivejo: well it applied the patch but ignored the failures
[16:56] <Riddell> clivejo: so it's now in failed mode
[16:56] <Riddell> and you need to apply the patch manually
[16:56] <clivejo> how does one do that?
[16:56] <clivejo> its debuilding as we speak
[17:24] <Riddell> clivejo: look at the patch, work out what it does and what needs to be applied to the files now
[17:25] <Riddell> detective work, like a lot of packaging
[18:22] <Riddell> whee lots to do http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.2_wily.html
[19:12] <santa_> Riddell: sending patch[es] to kubuntu-devel...
[19:17] <Riddell> santa_: any idea why http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/ksysguard.git/tree/debian/copyright?h=kubuntu_wily_archive gets W: ksysguard source: dep5-copyright-license-name-not-unique (paragraph at line 232)
[19:17] <Riddell> W: ksysguard source: missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright gpl-2+ (paragraph at line 228)
[19:17] <Riddell>  ?
[19:18] <santa_> let me check,,,
[19:26] <santa_> maybe a bug in lintian, let me test something...
[19:36] <clivejo> why cant projects be given a unique name?!?  I dont want to know how to make blankets or sewing!!
[19:51] <Zinic> cd 4
[19:51] <Zinic> nope
[19:52] <clivejo> I dont get why quilt is needed, if I download the lastest release, surely all relevant patches are included in it?
[20:01] <santa_> Riddell: lintian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779676
[20:02] <santa_> Riddell: and replying directly to your question: because both the first and the last paragraph use GPL-2+ as license
[21:12] <ahoneybun> is it best to install a deb or use a PPA?
[21:13] <santa_> I guess it depends. what do you want to install?
[21:13] <ahoneybun> cutegram
[21:13] <ahoneybun> telegram client in Qt
[21:14] <valorie> if you think we should include it, why not PPA
[21:14] <valorie> and let people test it?
[21:14] <ahoneybun> what?
[21:15] <valorie> if you put it in a PPA, then people can test it
[21:15] <ahoneybun> it already is
[21:15] <ahoneybun> the team put it in one: http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/cutegram-2-2-0-telegram-client-for-linux-released-install-in-ubuntu-linux-mint-debian-based-distros
[21:16] <valorie> if people like it, then file a bug that it be included in the archive
[21:17] <santa_> ahoneybun: then I would go for the ppa
[21:17] <ahoneybun> ok thanks guys
[21:17] <santa_> nice finding by the way
[21:18] <santa_> I'm using telegram too
[21:18] <ahoneybun> it works very well
[21:18] <ahoneybun> syncs between phone and desktop very nicely
[21:18] <valorie> why does the world need another messaging app?
[21:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: since Hangout is not on Ubuntu Touch but telegram is
[21:19] <santa_> because whatsapp aint free
[21:19] <ahoneybun> and whatsapp is not on UT as well
[21:19] <valorie> ah
[21:19] <clivejo> what does "@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ endif()" mean in a quilt diff file?
[21:19] <valorie> whatsapp is evil
[21:19] <valorie> altho I have it on my phone
[21:20]  * ahoneybun never has used it
[21:20] <valorie> gah, need to clean my house
[21:20] <valorie> I got it because SMS isn't international
[21:20] <valorie> surely someone will come up with something modern that just Works Everywhere
[21:21] <ahoneybun> Telegram?
[21:21] <valorie> ok, coffee aquired
[21:21] <valorie> I'll check out telegram
[21:21] <ahoneybun> its over data so it should work everywhere just like hangouts
[21:21] <valorie> does kde-telepathy do telegram?
[21:21] <ahoneybun> not sure
[21:21] <valorie> :(
[21:22] <valorie> ttyl, gotta clean house
[21:22] <ahoneybun> I mean if UT can make a appliation then the API is there to do it
[21:23] <santa_> clivejo: there is no such thing as "quilt diff" files; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_diff
[21:23] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/telegram-connection-manager-gsoc-2014-task-overview/
[21:34] <Riddell> claydoh: if you download a source package it'll apply them using quilt (not really but it's a different program to do the same thing) then you can unapply and reapply them in a somewhat managed way
[21:34] <Riddell> oh sorry claydoh, that was to clivejo but he went away
[21:34] <claydoh> Riddell:  s'ok ;)
[21:39] <santa_> hmm
[21:39] <santa_> he didn't see my stuff too XD
[22:11] <ahoneybun> Riddell: could this be done at akademy: https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/telegram-connection-manager-gsoc-2014-task-overview/ ?
[22:13] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what about it?
[22:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: it seems a bit slow/dead
[22:13] <ahoneybun> telegram support in Telepathy would be awesome
[22:29] <clivejo> Riddell: you got few minutes to help me sort this quilt problem?
[22:30] <Riddell> clivejo: hmm not really, what's up?
[22:30] <clivejo> says there an issue with kubuntu_release_type.diff
[22:31] <clivejo> can't find file to patch at input line 5
[22:32] <clivejo> @@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ endif()
[22:32] <clivejo>  if(NOT DEFINED RELEASE_BUILD)
[22:32] <Riddell> it wants to patch ./CMakeLists.txt
[22:32] <Riddell> so take a look in ./CMakeLists.txt and see if it should apply
[22:33] <Riddell> if you can work out how to apply the patch manually then force it with quilt push -f  and open CMakeLists.txt in a text editor,  edit and save,  quilt refresh
[22:42] <clivejo> That line is already  changed - set(RELEASE_BUILD_TYPES "release" "relwithdebinfo" "minsizerel" "debian")
[22:44] <clivejo> Ive editted it back and let quilt change it
[23:01] <clivejo> ah