[00:54] <Trel> brb updating irc client
[01:14] <stevejobsinhell> Moin.
[01:15] <stevejobsinhell> Can someone point me to the proper resources to get Qt5 installed.  I don't know the names of the packages to apt-get
[01:30] <valorie> stevejobsinhell: are you running 15.04?
[01:34] <valorie> pepee: I don't have time to read that whole thread - but I think perhaps the UCC didn't realize how wide the damage would be
[01:34] <valorie> that said, it is left to us to make the best of what we have, now
[01:35] <pepee> hasn't kubuntu been having problems with ubuntu since... I dunno, at least 8 years?
[01:36] <pepee> I started with ubuntu 6.06 and moved to kubuntu 8.04 IIRC, and even then there were problems
[01:36] <valorie> well, I guess that depends on your point of view
[01:37] <valorie> personally, I knew the story when I started volunteering here, and nothing has changed but one bad incident, with many of my friends hurt
[01:37] <valorie> the fundamentals remain the same
[01:37] <pepee> anyway, I hope this doesn't end badly, Kubuntu is, AFAIU, the biggest *ubuntu flavor
[01:38] <valorie> hopefully, we'll heal and stay healthy
[01:38] <valorie> right now, that isn't guaranteed
[01:38] <pepee> aren't the guys who left kinda relevant in the KDE community?
[01:38] <valorie> everybody is relevant
[01:39] <valorie> we're open to new contributors, and just signed up a new Member last week
[01:40] <valorie> otoh, people shouldn't /can't stay active forever
[01:40] <valorie> burnout is a real thing, with bad effects all over the place
[01:40] <valorie> oops, we should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:45] <pepee> heh, yeah
[01:46] <Trel> And if you want a laugh, make #kubuntu-offtopic redirect back here
[01:47] <Trel> In Kubuntu 15.04 how can I upgrade the KDE Framework past 5.9.0 to 5.11
[01:48] <pepee> there is a PPA IIRC
[01:49] <valorie> Trel: what is your purpose in doing that?
[01:50] <valorie> are you developing something that needs those frameworks?
[01:50] <Trel> valorie: after 6 hours of debugging, 3 hours of IRC, 2 reinstalls of kubuntu and 3 other distro Live CDs, it turns out.....https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347143
[01:50] <Trel> My issue was a known (and fixed bug)
[01:50] <valorie> ah
[01:50] <valorie> well, lots of the devels are running wily
[01:50] <valorie> and having a good experience
[01:51] <Trel> How do I download an iso of that, rather than 15.04?
[01:52] <Trel> I don't see a link to a full listing with non-release versions
[01:52] <valorie> ah, probably linked in teh QA site
[01:53] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-wily-alpha-1
[01:53] <Trel> found it on cdimage.ubuntu
[01:55] <stevejobsinhell> valorie: yes, but I'm thinking about rolling back to 14
[01:55] <stevejobsinhell> I'd like to do the version 14 way.  I don't like 15.04
[01:57] <valorie> well, 14.XX are not Qt 5
[01:57] <valorie> so I don't think that would be a good mix
[01:57] <stevejobsinhell> ok I'll stick with version 15.04
[02:01] <vbgunz>  does anyone know why my cmedia audio, get's to 30% loud, it goes mute?
[02:10] <stevejobsinhell> valorie: is installing Qt on ubuntu done through apt-get or from nokia's site ?
[02:11] <vbgunz> stevejobsinhell: not sure what you're up to, surely you can install from whatever resource you need but most of the safest installations are done from the repos. if not safest, most convenient
[02:25] <valorie> stevejobsinhell: if you are developing an application, best to use `build-depends` to get all the correct dependencies before building it
[02:25] <valorie> you def. want to use from the repos as vbgunz says
[02:26] <valorie> and as I said to Trel, if you want the latest, run the alpha
[02:26] <valorie> you can always do it in a vm
[02:31] <Kitiragato> Boa galera.... faz tempo que num entro numa sala de IRC
[02:32] <Kitiragato> Algum brasileiro por aqui... ou todo mundo e brasileiro
[02:34] <Kitiragato> f10: Blz...
[02:35] <Kitiragato> ou nao tem brasileiro por aqui
[02:35] <valorie> !br | Kitiragato
[02:36] <Kitiragato> valorie: Obrigado
[02:37] <Kitiragato> ubottu: Vlwww... Brigadao
[02:50] <JoshuaFarmerMS> irc.freenode.net
[02:51] <scottn_work> Anyone know when plasma 5.3.1 and applications 15.04.2 and frameworks 5.11.0 are going to be in the backports PPA?
[03:10] <valorie> scottn_work: backports to what?
[03:11] <valorie> 5.3.1 is already in backports for 15.04
[03:11] <valorie> unsure about the others; I assume as the packagers get to it
[03:11] <valorie> help always welcome!
[03:16] <Trel> valorie: it looks like the alpha, is still on 5.10.0
[03:16] <scottn_work> valorie: 15.04
[03:17] <valorie> packaging has slowed down lately, due to a number of factors
[03:18] <valorie> including summer vacations
[03:18] <valorie> more help always welcome
[03:21] <scottn_work> valorie: Any links to what is required? I can build from source and have a very basic knowlege of the debian package rules.
[03:31] <valorie> nice, scottn_work -- please join #kubuntu-devel if you are interested
[03:31] <valorie> although most of the devels are probably asleep right now
[03:32] <valorie> most live in europe
[03:53] <scottn_work> Ahh, OK. I'm down in New Zealand
[03:54] <markc> has anyone built the Qt 5.4.2 multimediawidgets/player example and can actually play an mp3?
[03:58] <valorie> markc: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[04:10] <markc> valorie: no I hadn't, thanks. vlc and dragon work so it never occurred to me. Still no sound from the "player" example. I've been fiddling with Jack so I'll reboot to be sure PA is the only sound server
[04:11] <valorie> good deal
[04:11] <valorie> yes, mp3 isn't open source, so requires a codec
[04:11] <valorie> vlc includes the codec in its code
[04:11] <valorie> not sure what "player" example you speak of, so can't say more
[04:11] <markc> ah right, ofc course, but qt examples would need the codec
[04:12] <markc> multimediawidgets/player
[04:13] <valorie> ah, I wonder if that's PMC by another name
[04:13] <markc> actually, would you happen to know what package includes all the qt docs and examples?
[04:13] <valorie> Plasma Media Player
[04:13] <valorie> hmmm
[04:14] <markc> I installed the offline 5.4.2 system so I would get a more recent qtcreator but due to no-sound issues I'm trying to switch back to the default system qt dev packages
[04:14] <valorie> apt search doesn't find much useful
[04:14] <valorie> well, if you want the very latest you will want the Wily alpha
[04:14] <valorie> in a vm if nothing else
[04:15] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-wily-alpha-1
[04:15] <valorie> the devels who are running it seem very happy with it
[04:15] <markc> the "player" example is Examples/Qt-5.4/multimediawidgets/player in the offline installer
[04:16] <Trel> KDE 5 seems to play even worse with my CPU than 4 did as far as compositing
[04:16] <markc> yes, I've been using wily on my laptop for a month now... a bit rough at times
[04:16] <Trel> (core2duo P8400)
[04:17] <valorie> of course it's rough -- it's alpha
[04:18] <markc> yes I know and I'm not complaining. I'm chasing etter hidpi support so I'm prepared to sit on the bleeding edge
[04:19] <valorie> ok -- #plasma for those specific issues
[04:19] <valorie> not that it's off-topic here, but the experts live there
[04:20] <Trel> valorie: me? I need to go back to LTS for KDE4 it's looking like unless I find another DE I like.  My hardware is outdated so it's likely not high on the list of things that'll be fixed
[04:20] <markc> valorie: ah of course, and thank you for your help, appreciated. I better reboot
[04:49] <vbgunz> Kubuntu 15.04 and nvidia proprietary drivers 346.59 have many many problems when switching monitors. is there a fix for this? It's really truly unreliable and I find myself going into terminal restarting sddm to get things right again. any clues as to what is happening?
[04:51] <valorie> vbgunz: I've heard people discussing various nvidia drivers
[04:51] <valorie> but I've not paid attention, since I don't use nvidia
[04:51] <valorie> !nvidia
[04:53] <vbgunz> I'm using whatever drivers Kubuntu supports out of the box for the 960. Everytime I use the nvidia dialogs to change up monitors, the screen flickers and breaks and sometimes it just gets ridiculous. I'm googling but really feel like holy shit, I'm the only guy with this problem
[04:53] <vbgunz> I can't believe not enough people ran into it to cause it to show up in the first 10 hits on google
[04:53] <vbgunz> it's a definite show stopper and someone that doesn't know how to restart sddm from a terminal would be having a horrible time
[04:54] <vbgunz> I'm just not finding any info on it anywhere... no way this is smooth for others
[04:56] <valorie> no, it's a problem for lots of people
[04:56] <valorie> there is the xorg-edgers PPA for one thing
[04:57] <valorie> thus the factoid for nvidia
[04:59] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: are you getting "tears"?
[04:59] <vbgunz> last time I messed with xorg-edgers, I remember coming up to a blank screen because of it. I got completely stuck in the terminal because of it. it blew my head open
[04:59] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: I was but put a little trick in /etc/profile.d/ for kwin
[04:59] <vbgunz> that did help a lot
[05:00] <babu_> hi
[05:00] <ahoneybun> it happens when I mess with the monitor settings sometimes or when I unplug the HDMI cable
[05:00] <ahoneybun> did happen a few from returning from suspend
[05:00] <ahoneybun> hey babu_
[05:00] <babu_> hi
[05:01] <babu_> can you help me hwo to setup a apache
[05:01] <ahoneybun> apache server?
[05:01] <vbgunz> my main issue now is, I have 3 monitors. sometimes in the nvidia control panel, I'll select to enable another monitor and when I do, the screens bork and seriously go crazy. I have to wait for the confirmation to time out and for things to get restored. sometimes, I believe kwin dies and Alt+F2 doesn't work to try and replace it. I can even call up konsole but then I won't be able to type into it. something about switching monitors using nvidia
[05:01] <vbgunz> control panel is a real hassle in 15.04
[05:02] <ahoneybun> I move to a tty and kill Xorg
[05:02] <babu_> yes apache
[05:03] <vbgunz> I too have to switch to a tty and restart sddm just to get things back... this is to no end sucking as I find myself needing a different combination of monitors throughout the day... damn it's upsetting
[05:04] <valorie> babu_: that isn't really on-topic for the chan
[05:04] <babu_> oh what is it?
[05:05] <valorie> this is a help chan for Kubuntu
[05:05] <valorie> you might find some help in #httpd
[05:05] <babu_> ok can you please tell me how to disable or remove akonadi?
[05:05] <valorie> there are loads of apache chans, which you can find using alis
[05:06] <valorie> !alis
[05:06] <valorie> babu_: are you using applications/services which use akonadi?
[05:06] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: I reset Xorg not sddm
[05:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: vbgunz http://imgur.com/9sfn0WT
[05:08] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: not sure what you're talking about, I just service restart sddm
[05:08] <ahoneybun> sddm is login though
[05:08] <valorie> ahoneybun: what IS that?
[05:09] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: yeah, I end up back at the login screen
[05:09] <ahoneybun> valorie: what happens sometimes
[05:09] <valorie> looks like bad drugs
[05:09] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:09] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: that picture is exactly what happens to me when I switch monitors
[05:09] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: I get back to the desktop, fixed
[05:09] <vbgunz> not everytime but often enough
[05:09] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: what's the trick to resetting xorg?
[05:10] <ahoneybun> sudo killall Xorg
[05:10] <ahoneybun> but not sure if that is the best way
[05:10] <vbgunz> hmm, that doesn't log me out?
[05:10] <ahoneybun> using prime-select *cardhere* does the trick too
[05:10] <vbgunz> sucks I gotta use sudo for that
[05:11] <ahoneybun> well it is a root task
[05:11] <ahoneybun> I have nvidia prime crap
[05:11] <ahoneybun> well
[05:12] <ahoneybun> intel + nvidia
[05:12] <vbgunz> I do have an intel chip but don't think (not sure) I have any intel graphics support
[05:12] <ahoneybun> intel graphics + nvidia graphics
[05:12] <ahoneybun> nvidia prime/ bumbleebee
[05:13] <vbgunz> hmm, tomorrow I'll see how to turn it off if it's on, I don't want it while the nvidia card is in
[05:13] <vbgunz> if I kill Xorg, does it autorestart?
[05:13] <ahoneybun> this is a laptop so I can't take it out
[05:13] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: it does
[05:13] <valorie> !bumblebee
[05:13] <ahoneybun> I mean if it works
[05:13] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie
[05:14] <valorie> I couldn't remember it until you mentioned it
[05:14] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:14] <valorie> so thank you
[05:14] <vbgunz> sudo killall Xorg is the same for me as sudo service sddm restart
[05:14] <ahoneybun> works the same vbgunz?
[05:15] <vbgunz> it's sort of what I do to get things back from when they bork out and go nuts like your screenshot, yeah
[05:15] <ahoneybun> so it is not just you or just me vbgunz
[05:15] <ahoneybun> :)
[05:16] <vbgunz> the prime-select one though is something to try but the sudo part bugs me a bit. sometimes, I lose all access to typing anything but switching to a tty saves the day
[05:16] <ahoneybun> depends if you have that setup
[05:17] <vbgunz> there's just something really wrong with the current nvidia situation. 14.10 is pretty damn solid in this department
[05:17] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:17] <ahoneybun> my games do work decent
[05:17] <vbgunz> I use an xrandr script that has a bunch of shortcuts to a bunch of different monitor setups and in 14.10 it works like a charm. in 15.04, it's basically hell
[05:18] <ahoneybun> oh man
[05:18] <vbgunz> it sucks so much, I'm basically holding out on upgrading to 15.04, I don't want to go through the 2 years of KDE 4 hell all over again.. the whole upgrade while the old isn't even solid is worrying
[05:19] <ahoneybun> KDE4 is not solid?
[05:19] <vbgunz> I'm liking 5 but things like this is just upsetting
[05:19] <ahoneybun> of course
[05:20] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: not one bit, I will never trust kmail or kontact in KDE 4, the desktop, the thing you see first when logging in still has bugs that reminds you, you'll find more (promise)
[05:20] <ahoneybun> I love Kontact
[05:21] <vbgunz> I mean, KDE 4 is OK, but solid? no, kmail and kontact were big deals for me, I'm basically forced to use chromium and gmail directly
[05:22] <ahoneybun> could be better sure
[05:23] <vbgunz> man, it was KDE 3.5 that got me really excited about KDE. 4 came along and I gave it a shot, I stuck with it through growing pains and it's not even solid, I don't trust it and now 5 is out. I'm hoping 5 is the answer but it too is showing it has issues. one thing for sure, it's far more along that 4 was when it debut
[05:23] <vbgunz> I have hope for KDE, I'm hoping 5 is it
[05:24] <ahoneybun> same
[05:25] <valorie> me too
[05:25] <valorie> computers will reach perfection simultaneously with becoming outmoded
[05:25] <valorie> if experience teaches us anything
[05:27] <vbgunz> If KDE 5 is up to what I think it's up to, it has to end up solid. supposedly, if they get it right, they'll be no overlap of technology and focusing on problems should be a lot easier. I mean, I could be all wrong but I think that's what the 5 plan is
[05:27] <valorie> of course
[05:27] <valorie> although it is not and will never be called KDE5
[05:28] <valorie> frameworks is good, and getting better
[05:28] <valorie> I think Plasma is almost better
[05:28] <vbgunz> frameworks, plasma, whatever the nick, it will probably always be KDE 5
[05:28] <vbgunz> at least for me that is, I sort of grew up with it as KDE
[05:28] <valorie> applications will probably just continue to get better as they are ported
[05:29] <valorie> KDE to me is the people I work with
[05:29] <valorie> software is good, but the whole point is people
[05:30] <vbgunz> I'd really love to see KDE 5 just be the answer I hope it could be. a nice stable, solid desktop, feature rich and fast
[05:31] <vbgunz> sorry, I don't mean to throw things off with the whole KDE 5, but calling it something else as if there will never be a KDE 5 is just jarring in a sense
[05:32] <ahoneybun> Plasma 5
[05:32] <ahoneybun> KDE Plasma 5
[05:32] <valorie> it's ok vbgunz, it's not religion
[05:33] <valorie> the devels don't like mislabeling though
[05:33] <vbgunz> you know at this point, probably just calling it 5 would be about as accurate as anything else :)
[05:34] <valorie> or phive, as sitter used to do
[05:35] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: that monitor issue, do you get that with 346.59? do you have a 900 series card?
[05:36] <vbgunz> I have that particular driver and a 960
[05:36] <ahoneybun> 750M
[05:36] <ahoneybun> geforce gt 75.m
[05:36] <vbgunz> hmm, so at least we know it doesn't affect our particular line, it's generally at this point an nvidia issue
[05:36] <vbgunz> damn
[05:37] <ahoneybun> I'm on 346.59
[05:37] <ahoneybun> I think 340.76 is broke
[05:37] <vbgunz> hmm, I really don't like to mess with drivers outside of what Ubuntu provides. I hate dealing with the latest nvidia drivers and their installer
[05:38] <ahoneybun> 340 and 346 is provived by Ubuntu
[05:38] <vbgunz> yeah, I'm talking about getting their .run file, I don't like doing things like that
[05:39] <vbgunz> so I guess in other words, it's gonna be till October till we see something official hopefully solve the issue
[05:39] <ahoneybun> there is a new version for my card
[05:39] <vbgunz> on nvidia.com?
[05:40] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:40] <ahoneybun> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/86390/en-us
[05:40] <ahoneybun> lots of fixes
[05:41] <vbgunz> 352.21 is what's on the site for me. man, if they had an official repo I'd most likely use it but dealing with the installers just leaves me with a sour taste
[05:42] <ahoneybun> funny NVIDIA Setting says I have 1 screen
[05:42] <ahoneybun> oh it crashed
[05:43] <vbgunz> hmm, I just crashed, kwin just crashed
[05:43] <ahoneybun> yea..
[05:43] <vbgunz> hmm, konversation?
[05:43] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:43] <vbgunz> your irc client?
[05:43] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:44] <vbgunz> mines is konversation, clicking the link you posted caused kwin to crash for me, not sure if it was the actual clicking of the link but I just went throug about 10 seconds of freeze then a bubble popped up saying kwin crashed
[05:44] <ahoneybun> weird
[05:44] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking of installing the new driver
[05:45] <vbgunz> hmm, I'd hate to do it then discover it doesn't solve a thing
[05:45] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:45] <vbgunz> I mean, it could always be just one little stupid thing, like turn off flipping and everything works like new
[05:45] <vbgunz> heh
[05:45] <ahoneybun> lol
[05:46] <ahoneybun> do you have that intel thing in the driver settings?
[05:46] <vbgunz> not sure to be honest, I never had an intel before and this is a new pc a couple months old
[05:47]  * ahoneybun makes backups
[05:48] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: my main 14.10 is backed up atm. almost 2TB of data. what I'm on right now is 15.04 and honestly, I'm just testing it out. I could destroy it but I'm so tired of destroying stuff. I'm at this point where goddamn it, just work.
[05:48] <vbgunz> heh
[05:49] <ahoneybun> XD
[05:49] <ahoneybun> yea I understand that
[05:49] <ahoneybun> I have 2 older laptops for testing things
[05:50] <vbgunz> I've gotta say though, I've missed Konversation. it's a good client.
[05:50] <valorie> best I've ever used
[05:51] <valorie> windows/mac/linux
[05:51] <vbgunz> Sho behind it right? also Yakuake?
[05:52] <valorie> yes
[05:52] <vbgunz> Yakuake is something I've only needed to use once. hooked ever since, I go out of my way to install it
[05:52] <valorie> he didn't found it, but is the maintainer
[05:52] <valorie> me too
[05:52] <valorie> such a time-saver, if nothing else
[05:52] <valorie> elegant
[05:53]  * ahoneybun starts the installer
[05:53] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: you need to shutdown the desktop for the installer?
[05:53] <valorie> you don't use yakuake, ahoneybun?
[05:53] <vbgunz> shutdown x
[05:53] <ahoneybun> right
[05:53] <valorie> oh, installer for your borked card
[05:53] <valorie> right
[05:53] <valorie> lol
[05:53] <valorie> I need to go to bed
[05:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: I don't
[05:54] <valorie> niters all
[05:54] <valorie> you are missing out!
[05:54] <vbgunz> it's all good, gnight!
[05:56] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: how does one shutdown X?
[05:56] <vbgunz> I go to a tty and sudo service sddm stop
[05:56] <ahoneybun> for X?
[05:57] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: well, not for X but it completely logs me out of the desktop and locks me into a tty. from there I can install the nvidia driver without a problem
[05:57] <vbgunz> if that's what you're up to
[05:57] <ahoneybun> guess I'll try it
[05:57] <ahoneybun> what could go wrong lol
[05:57] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: wait
[05:58] <vbgunz> you're on 15.04?
[05:58] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:58] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:58] <vbgunz> you have sddm? if you don't, try lightdm
[05:58] <vbgunz> good luck
[05:58] <vbgunz> :)
[05:58] <ahoneybun> sddm is in 15.04
[05:58] <vbgunz> yeah
[05:59] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: if you want to end up uninstalling it, you'll have to go back to that file you've downloaded and run it with the --uninstall switch
[06:00] <ahoneybun> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149206/how-to-install-nvidia-run
[06:00] <ahoneybun> replace lightdm with sddm I would think
[06:00] <vbgunz> yeah
[06:09] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: good luck, I'm off to bed, hopefully everything goes great :)
[07:13] <macguy> Hi, is it a good idea to istall Kubuntu on a Mac? Will I face any problems regarding software availability etc?
[07:16] <macguy> Also will I face any hardware issues? Something like the webcam not working fine, or any other piece of hardware?
[07:18] <hateball> !mac
[07:19] <hateball> macguy: ^
[07:20] <macguy> hateball: thanks for that. But that doesn't answer my question. Have you faced any problems in the long term usage of Kubntu on a Mac/
[07:20] <macguy> ?
[07:21] <hateball> I don't use apple hardware, which is why I refered you to the wiki where people who do, have written stuff
[07:21] <macguy> okay thanks
[07:21] <ahoneybun> depends on the mac macguy
[07:22] <ahoneybun> I have a old MacBook 3,1 and it runs every Ubuntu flavor fine
[07:22] <macguy> ahoneybun: I am using a Macbook pro mid 2012 model
[07:23] <macguy> i really don't want to dual boot. so I am deciding to switch over completely to Ubuntu
[07:23] <ahoneybun> macguy: I would say run the live media and see how it works
[07:24] <ahoneybun> that everything works
[07:24] <ahoneybun> I don't think the camera will out of the box
[07:24] <ahoneybun> at least on my it does not
[07:24] <macguy> so you mean the webcam doesn't function at all?
[07:25] <macguy> ahoneybun: I have used ubuntu for sometime now. I have used it on a normal PC, and on virtual box in my mac.
[07:25] <ahoneybun> it can work
[07:25] <ahoneybun> but on my mac I needed a driver
[07:26] <ahoneybun> something about iSight
[07:27] <macguy> i see
[07:27] <macguy> ahoneybun: any experience you got with the more recent mac books?
[07:28] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleiSight#Installation
[07:28] <ahoneybun> happly no (I don;t like Apple things
[07:29] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro9-2/Precise : this is from Precise (12.04) so it is old
[07:29] <ahoneybun> bbl need sleep
[07:29] <ahoneybun> best of luck macguy
[07:30] <ahoneybun> please do stick around
[07:30] <macguy> thanks ahoneybun
[07:30] <macguy> sure
[07:31] <hyper_ch> valorie: do you know in what file the setting is stored that the "desktop background" should be folder view?
[07:34] <hateball> hyper_ch: dunno if "grep -Rn folder ~/.kde" might give some clues
[07:34] <hateball> I dont fancy changing my settings just to find it ;p
[07:35] <sick_rimmit> hyper_ch: You'll find all the KDE stuff in a hidden .kde dir in your home folder
[07:36] <hateball> I guess "grep -Rni folder ~/.kde" would be better, dunno if it's lower/upper case
[07:38] <Etriaph> hateball: 15.04?
[07:38] <hateball> Etriaph: I'm not sure what your question is
[07:39] <Etriaph> hateball: Are you running Kubuntu 15.04?
[07:39] <hateball> Etriaph: I am on 14.04 on this particular machine
[07:39] <Etriaph> hateball: Then it should be stored in ~/.kde/share/config as far as I know.
[07:39] <hateball> Etriaph: I'm not the one with the original question, it's hyper_ch
[07:40] <Etriaph> Oh
[07:40] <Etriaph> my bad :D
[07:40] <hyper_ch> sick_rimmit: actually, a lot has moved to ~/.local and ~/.config
[07:41] <hyper_ch> sorry, too many channels
[07:41] <hyper_ch> running 15.10... but had the same issue on 15.04.... that it keeps reverting from folder to desktop view upon reboot
[07:41] <macguy> any other mac user here, who runs Ubuntu on a mac?
[07:41] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: If you're on 15.04 it should be in either ~/.local or ~/.config, but likely ~/.config
[07:42] <markc> repeat question (google is not helping) does anyone know which package contains all the qt5 docs and examples in 15.04/10?
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: well, the problem is that grep gives like a gazillion results... hence I asked in what file that setting is :)
[07:43] <hyper_ch> all qt5 docs?
[07:43] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: I'm looking for it; but, on my 15.04 the combo box to configure it is disabled.
[07:43] <markc> hyper_ch: just the examples actually
[07:44] <hyper_ch> markc: I think you get them when you install qtcreator
[07:44] <markc> hyper_ch: I've got the tutorials in qtcreator but not the examples
[07:44] <hyper_ch> then the internal qtcreator help has them... but not really sure
[07:44] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: disabled? oO how did that happen?
[07:45] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: I think I have an idea... I can set it to some exotic path to show
[07:45] <hyper_ch> and then I can grep for that
[07:45] <Etriaph> hyper_ch: hyper_chhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/disabled.png
[07:45] <Etriaph> err..
[07:45] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/disabled.png
[07:46] <Etriaph> There's only one layout, 'Desktop'
[07:46] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: :(
[07:47] <Etriaph> The fact that the combo box appears leads me to believe it'll be implemented once again.
[07:47] <hyper_ch> I think this could be it:   .config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc
[07:47] <Etriaph> This is Plasma 5.3.1, should be roughly the same as your 15.10 software.
[07:48] <hyper_ch> that looks like it
[07:49] <Etriaph> Maybe, but it contains some settings global to the desktop that have nothing to do with the layout.
[07:49] <Etriaph> Like scrolling with the wheel on the desktop to change desktops, it's in there.
[07:49] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: well, there are different containments fields.... and one of them seems to be that
[07:50] <hyper_ch> https://paste.debian.net/265253/
[07:50] <hyper_ch> I made icons a tad smaller
[07:50] <hyper_ch> I set to use that folder
[07:50] <hyper_ch> plugin=org.kde.plasma.folder  probably is that it shows a folder and not the default desktop
[07:50] <hyper_ch> but how to make that permanent
[07:51] <Etriaph> I think it's a good assumption that the feature isn't intended to be used yet.
[07:51] <Etriaph> But the layout may still exist.  Does that work?
[07:51] <hyper_ch> what do you mean with layout'
[07:54] <Etriaph> Desktop layout is the default, and the only one I have available (the combo is disabled); Folder View is a layout that Plasma had in 4 that I don't have access to at this time.
[07:54] <hyper_ch> it was available on 15.04
[07:54] <Etriaph> It may be that the 'Folder View' layout is not operable atm in Plasma 5.
[07:54] <hyper_ch> and still is on 15.10
[07:54] <Etriaph> Or unstable.
[07:55] <hyper_ch> but in both for me it got resetted after every reboot
[07:55] <Etriaph> I'm on 15.04, the combo for it is disabled.
[07:55] <hyper_ch> but only on my primary screen
[07:55] <hyper_ch> on the secondary screen it stuck just fine
[07:57] <hyper_ch> Etriaph: http://images.sjau.ch/img/1f7437b1.png
[07:58] <Etriaph> Interesting.
[07:58] <Etriaph> Maybe I should file a bug.
[07:58] <hyper_ch> maybe I should switch primary screen, reboot and see if it sticks then
[08:00] <Etriaph> Time for me to hit the hay.
[08:00] <Etriaph> Night folks.
[08:00] <hyper_ch> cya
[08:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:18] <hyper_ch> hi lordievader
[09:18] <lordievader> o/
[09:21] <hyper_ch> lordievader: I'll be nice today to you :)
[09:22] <lordievader> ?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> well, yesterday. The "wine" situationa ;)
[09:26] <hyper_ch> you've already forgotten about it?
[09:27] <lordievader> That is your problem, not mine ;)
[09:27] <hyper_ch> but I bugged you about it for quite some time :)
[09:27] <hyper_ch> and you were even friendly enough to try and solve the issue ;)
[09:28] <lordievader> It got my interest at some point. At another point I got bored with it :P
[09:28] <hyper_ch> still weird that it couldn't get installed
[11:03] <thenwkg> Hi, i am trying to install Android Studio using this PPA : https://paolorotolo.github.io/android-studio/ But i keep getting 404 errors when i do sudp apt-get update.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:47] <hyper_ch> you seem joyful for the beginning of the work-week
[11:48] <BluesKaj> heh, yeah, because I'm retired :-)
[11:48] <hyper_ch> I'll get there, eventually
[12:09] <juboxi> Hi and thanks, thanks, thanks for the greap
[12:09] <juboxi> t great OS
[12:09] <juboxi> I have a external drive that isn't showing up in gr
[12:09] <juboxi> *gparted
[12:10] <juboxi> what should I do to get my disk back?
[12:10] <juboxi> what
[12:10] <juboxi> what was the command to check what /dev/sdb the drive is
[12:14] <thenwkg> Hi, i have Kubuntu 15.10 and if i try to add any 3rd party repository i just get 404 error.
[12:14] <thenwkg> I am trying to install numix icons, any ideas how to fix this ?
[12:15] <hateball> thenwkg: If you give some details as to how you are adding the repos and so on
[12:16] <thenwkg>  Terminal Commands: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:numix/ppa
[12:16] <thenwkg> then sudo apt-get update
[12:18] <hateball> thenwkg: Well, there's no packages for 15.10 what I can see
[12:18] <hateball> 15.10 support is in #ubuntu+1 as well
[12:19] <thenwkg> Is there a way to install a package for 15.4 or older ?
[12:19] <thenwkg> Oh sorry.
[12:23] <hateball> No harm done :)
[12:55] <prodaft> hi
[12:55] <jubo2> hi daft pro
[12:58] <jubo2> I have an external disk that is not showing up in gparted
[12:58] <jubo2> what to do?
[13:01] <hateball> jubo2: what does dmesg say when you plug it in
[13:03] <jubo2> hateball: dmesg sees it ok
[13:04] <jubo2> I wrote some zeros to
[13:04] <jubo2> it
[13:04] <hateball> jubo2: does gparted not detect the device at all?
[13:04] <jubo2> hateball: it detects
[13:05] <jubo2> it is a kingston USB-to-SATAIII encasing
[13:05] <jubo2> gparted still not seeing it
[13:05] <jubo2> there is no /dev/sdb even when it is hooked it
[13:05] <jubo2> s/it/in/
[13:07] <jubo2> juboxi@juboxi-X201:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb0
[13:07] <jubo2> dd: writing to ‘/dev/sdb0’: No space left on device
[13:08] <jubo2> hateball: I dunno what to do. dmesg sees it but there is no /dev/sdb
[13:09] <hateball> has this encasing worked before
[13:09] <jubo2> hateball: yes
[13:11] <hateball> jubo2: well what does dmesg say more specific? can you pastebin?
[13:12] <jubo2> hateball: http://pastebin.com/nxx0yqGW
[13:14] <hateball> jubo2: I wonder, is the disk very large?
[13:14] <jubo2> no 250GB
[13:14] <hateball> ah
[13:14] <jubo2> I'm also trying to get a 1TB external disk partitioned and formatted but gparted fails on that
[13:14] <jubo2> different problem
[13:15] <hateball> jubo2: and if you run "parted /dev/sdb" ?
[13:15] <jubo2> Error: Error opening /dev/sdb: No medium found
[13:16] <hateball> Then I dunno really :|
[13:50] <javi_> hi
[13:50] <jalcine> hateball: does it show up under `sudo fdisk -l`?
[13:51] <javi_> video driver for HP dc5700 Desktop?
[13:56] <javi_> video driver for HP dc5700 Desktop?
[13:57] <javi_> video driver for HP dc5700 Desktop?
[13:58] <lordievader> !patience | javi_
[13:58] <lordievader> javi_: What graphics card is in that desktop?
[13:59] <javi_> on board integrated card grafic
[14:00] <lordievader> javi_: Then you probably already have the driver installed and loaded, what is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[14:00] <lordievader> !paste | javi_
[14:04] <javi_> ok i prubed
[14:27] <vbgunz> ahoneybun: did you try out the new nvidia driver? how did it go?
[14:39] <vbgunz> I have a cmedia external sound card (cheap way to take care of a lot of audio problems I was having) and although everything is fine, I've noticed that at 30% it's pretty much muted. why?
[14:53] <Madmind> hello I am board
[14:53] <Madmind> talk to me
[14:58] <s_20> so, like a wooden board?
[15:29] <nfk> vbgunz, that's an alsa issue, most likely
[15:29] <nfk> well, kernel alsa
[15:30] <nfk> vbgunz, anyway, be happy sound adjusting even works, those cheap intel hda adapters are not exactly known for quality volume control (or any other type of quality)
[15:31] <nfk> on my system the otherwise surprisingly good quality integrated intel hda starts sounding bad if you mess with physical volume levels and you don't want to know how it crackes if it's turned off by power saving
[15:31] <nfk> well, off and then on
[15:32] <nfk> vbgunz, another idea might be to install pavucontrol (yes, a gnome/gtk3 app) and make sure the internal volume level is at 100%
[15:33] <nfk> you don't want any more and anything less is basically prone to be worse and might very well mean that it gets inaudible quicly
[15:33] <nfk> vbgunz, and one last thing, low quality speakers may also stop responding to faint sound quicker than a quality set
[15:34] <ahoneybun> vbgunz: very back
[15:34] <ahoneybun> very bad
[15:35] <nfk> no, getting positive on cancer test is very bad
[15:35] <nfk> that's just "you get what you pay for"
[17:23] <murthy> This is exciting, good news about the wayland support for kde. I am just quoting this from our kwin dev's blog. "After all I’m just editing this blog post in a full Plasma on Wayland session ". Check out his blog for more details.  http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/06/four-years-later/
[22:44] <MC___> hola
[22:44] <MC___> alguien de CHile
[22:44] <MC___> o AMérica Latina?
[22:44] <MC___> tengo un problema en KUbuntu 14.04.2
[22:45] <MC___> alguien de habla hispana?
[22:45] <MC___> hep me
[22:45] <MC___> help mee
[22:46] <MC___> HELLO
[22:46] <MC___> I nedd help :(
[22:46] <MC___> need
[22:47] <MC___> :o
[22:47] <MC___> :(
[22:48] <MC___> hola gente
[22:48] <MC___> tengo un problema en KUbuntu
[22:49] <MC___> ayudaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:19] <michael_p>  hi i thought i give 15:04 a stry i went to install nvidia i get a nessage saying starting service 219
[23:25] <ahoneybun> that is systemd michael_p
[23:26] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1432171
[23:26] <michael_p> did that still comes back