[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[07:22]  * willcooke is back in body but not in mind
[07:24] <seb128> hey desktopers & willcooke
[07:24] <seb128> how are you?
[07:24] <willcooke> sleepy :)
[07:24] <willcooke> but happy
[07:25] <seb128> great!
[07:25] <seb128> everybody is doing fine?
[07:26] <willcooke> yeah, all good thanls
[07:26] <seb128> good to read
[07:26] <seb128> oh, I think I already said in via email, but congrats ;-)
[07:27] <seb128> willcooke, are you supposed to be back btw?
[07:27] <willcooke> yeah :(
[07:27] <seb128> UE calendar has you off today and tomorrow
[07:27] <willcooke> oh
[07:27] <willcooke> oh right
[07:27] <willcooke> shit
[07:27] <seb128> lol
[07:27] <seb128> "willcooke left irc"
[07:28] <willcooke> dont tell my wife
[07:28] <seb128> haha
[07:28] <willcooke> I'll just idle in here all day instead
[07:28] <willcooke> ok, I've got to do the school run anyway
[07:28] <willcooke> might be back later
[07:28] <seb128> we are going to be quiet don't worry ;-)
[07:28] <willcooke> thanks seb :)
[07:28] <seb128> k
[07:28] <seb128> yw!
[08:06] <Laney> YO
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:09] <Laney> hey seb128, doing great thanks!
[08:11] <Laney> hung out with the baby yesterday
[08:11] <Laney> and we went on a food foraging workshop on saturday which was exciting
[08:11] <Laney> who knew there was so much to eat ;-)
[08:11] <Laney> how are you?
[08:12] <davmor2> Laney: I did :)
[08:17]  * Laney nibbles on davmor2 
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, doing good thanks ;-)
[08:18] <seb128> went to a weeding this w.e, it was fun, nice weather and plenty to drink and eat
[08:18] <davmor2> Laney: there are 22 arable grasses in the uk so there really is no excuse to go hungry,  however knowing how to use them that is another matter ;)
[08:29] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:31] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, wie gehts?
[08:32] <Sweet5hark> seb128: excellent. wonderful weather and I was just tasked to take care of a nice house starting today (for the owners are on vacation) ;)
[08:32] <seb128> ah, nice
[08:33] <seb128> weather is going to hot this week, a bit too much for working in front of a computer
[08:33] <Sweet5hark> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM
[08:33] <seb128> I like better 25°C than 35°C
[08:34] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah. we are currently at 25C here in north germany. bavaria has it hotter already.
[08:35] <Sweet5hark> (I can always go 25C -> 35C by lightening on BigBertha though ;) )
[08:38] <larsu> 20 in Berlin :/ (but at least sunny)
[08:50] <Laney> hey larsu!
[08:51] <Laney> welcome back to sane hours
[08:51] <larsu> hello Laney! How is life?
[08:52] <Laney> good, sitting outside in the sun
[08:53] <seb128> larsu, http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Berlin+Germany+GMXX0007:1:GM suggest you get that heat starting on friday
[08:53] <Laney> but I am squinting a bit so might move back in
[08:53] <seb128> 36°C on sunday
[08:53] <larsu> seb128: that site shows me Fahrenheit :/
[08:53] <Laney> phwoar, 36F
[08:54] <seb128> lol
[08:54] <larsu> Laney: the peril of this job, eh?
[08:54]  * larsu is not on the balcony for the same reason
[08:54] <Laney> it's a hard life
[08:55] <Laney> maybe in 3 more years we'll have bright enough laptop panels
[08:55]  * Laney gives in and goes inside
[08:55] <larsu> we hoped this 5 years ago as well...
[08:56] <pitti> yeah, what's the deal with these transflective displays we got promised?
[08:57] <larsu> they in a drawer, under the hoverboards
[08:57] <larsu> *are
[08:58]  * Laney forms a human rights based argument to force companies to make these
[08:58] <pitti> well, unlike hoverboards there were actual devices (at least prototypes) for transflective displays :)
[08:58] <larsu> hoverboards as well :)
[08:58] <pitti> oh?
[08:58] <Laney> Article 19 - Right to work on ones laptop outside
[08:58] <pitti> seconded
[08:59] <pitti> with "one's"
[08:59] <Laney> :)
[08:59] <larsu> pitti: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-24/lexus-builds-a-functional-hoverboard-prototype
[08:59] <Laney> interestingly this means they have to be fully waterproof too
[08:59] <pitti> hm, and not even from April 1
[09:00] <larsu> pitti: it's got tons of problems though. Most importantly, needs magnets on the roads :/
[09:00] <pitti> larsu: bah, that's cheating!
[09:01]  * pitti searches ebay for a spare anti-grav generator
[09:02] <larsu> haha
[10:52] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, 5.0.0~rc2, yummy :)
[14:00] <seb128> larsu, Laney, could you look at bug #1462346? I think it's another bug due to the gtk change with icons sizing
[14:05] <larsu> seb128: sure, one moment (brb)
[14:11] <larsu> seb128: ooh indeed. Can reproduce. There are more bugs like this. Last time we talked about it, we decided to put some hacks into the icon theme because we were unsure if we were getting a new icon theme...
[14:11] <larsu> we know now that we're not, right?
[14:11] <larsu> so it might be worthwhile to fix this properly
[14:12] <larsu> it's not that big of a deal, mostly moving around .svgs
[14:12] <seb128> yes
[14:12] <seb128> or add another hack
[14:12] <seb128> I though we add the tweak to all category
[14:12] <seb128> so maybe the hack doesn't work there?
[14:12] <larsu> more likely we forgot some
[14:12] <seb128> k
[14:12] <larsu> I've gotten some more pings about this
[14:12] <seb128> let's add them then
[14:12] <larsu> or even made a mistake somewhere
[14:12] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[14:13] <seb128> well your call how you want to "fix" it
[14:13] <seb128> I would go for whatever is easier
[14:13] <seb128> e.g do the same hacks where it'smissing
[14:15] <larsu> I'll have a look which other things are broken
[14:15] <larsu> bug #1463390 might be related as wel
[14:16] <Laney> thanks for looking!
[14:17] <Laney> soooooooooo who knows about gnutls and cert validation?
[14:19] <seb128> Laney, mdeslaur I be!t
[14:19] <seb128> bet
[14:19] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/265791/ this is broken
[14:20] <mdeslaur> Laney: looking, one sec
[14:21] <mdeslaur> Laney: wfm, what release are you trying it on?
[14:21] <Laney> wily
[14:21] <Laney> it works in a trusty chroot for me
[14:21] <mdeslaur> ok, one sec
[14:45] <mdeslaur> Laney: weird, no idea...works fine with gnutls-cli, and downgrading gnutls, soup, glib-networking and glib to vivid versions doesn't fix it
[14:51] <Laney> mdeslaur: I just started from vivid and upgraded ca-certificates only to wily... it broke
[14:51] <Laney> but then downgrading it didn't fix it again
[14:52] <mdeslaur> hrm, I tried downgrading ca-certificates and it didn't help....but I'll try upgrading ca-certificates in vivid, one sec
[14:52] <Laney> I guess downgrading that is somewhat broken
[14:53] <mdeslaur> oh, huh
[14:53] <mdeslaur> yeah, that reproduced it in vivid
[14:57] <mdeslaur> Laney: this is why:
[14:57] <mdeslaur> The following certificate authorities were removed (-):
[14:57] <mdeslaur>     - "GTE CyberTrust Global Root"
[14:58] <Laney> yeah I'm just looking at the /etc/ca-certificates.conf diff
[14:58] <Laney> ...is this a good change?
[14:58] <mdeslaur> let me look at the latest nss database to see if it got reverted by mozilla
[14:58] <Laney> FB works properly in Firefox for me
[14:58] <Laney> I noticed because it got broken in webkit
[14:59] <Laney> e.g. try epiphany
[14:59] <mdeslaur> Laney: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787705
[14:59] <mdeslaur> Laney: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750457
[14:59] <Laney> ah, nice find!
[16:21] <Laney> mdeslaur: fedora's added some certs back - do you think we could do the same? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CA-Certificates#Reason_for_Modifications
[16:31] <mdeslaur> Laney: I think that would be reasonable, until there's a fix for glib-networking
[16:32] <mdeslaur> Laney: could you please file a bug against ca-certificates, and assign it to me? I'll take a look later on this week
[16:32] <Laney> 'kay, thanks
[16:46] <anpok> Laney: can you have a look at the ci log here: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-1-build/233/console
[16:47] <anpok> this is the refresh-mir MP in the mir-0.14.0 silo
[16:49] <Laney> erm
[16:49] <Laney> what is this?
[16:50] <Laney> We don't upload gtk like that - the train has mangled the upstream version
[16:50] <Laney> and there is some problem with connecting to gnome.org but it would have broken anyway
[16:54] <anpok> Laney: so I have to provide a source package to the ppa to land it together with mir?
[16:56] <Laney> anpok: right, do it as a source package
[16:56] <Laney> do you want me to upload it?
[16:57] <anpok> that would be awesome
[16:57] <Laney> which silo?
[16:58] <anpok> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-004
[16:58] <Laney> one minute
[17:02] <Laney> anpok: I should make the build-dep be used everywhere, yes?
[17:05] <anpok> hm?
[17:06] <Laney> -               libmirclient-dev (>= 0.11.0) [amd64 arm64 armhf i386],
[17:06] <Laney> +               libmirclient-dev (>= 0.13.3),
[17:06] <anpok> yes
[17:07] <anpok> not sure whether 0.13.3 already lifted the architecture restriction
[17:08] <Laney> it's uploaded
[17:08] <Laney> you probably need to reconfigure the silo
[17:37] <anpok> Laney: how can I get that package for wily also in vivid on the ppa?
[17:41] <Laney> vivid has gtk 3.14
[17:42] <anpok> this would be for landing in the stable phone overlay.. hmm
[17:43] <anpok> so we would have to backport the mir patches to 3.14 instead?
[17:43] <Laney> probably, doesn't seem too smart to do a major version upgrade
[17:45] <Laney> Maybe they would apply without too much trouble?
[18:04] <anpok> hm there is mir-backend patch
[18:04] <anpok> but the new one fails to apply cleanly on top of it
[18:17] <mhall119> seb128: what's the most recent Unity 8 based desktop image available?