[04:30] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/you-should-not-compare-ubuntu-touch-with-android-or-any-other-os-485499.shtml
[04:54] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: my favorite was the article on "Will snappy have updated software?" that made no effort to address the question.
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:19] <littlegreen> Is there a docking troubleshooting FAQ around? I need to read into one, since I'm having trouble connecting externel I/O to my Nexus 4... I have both MHL and OTG cables but my mouse works with neither :( Is there something I have to pre-install? Does it matter if it's a wireless or wired mouse?
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:41] <Tm_T> moin (:
[07:14] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[07:15] <sturmflut2> mcphail: Any luck finding out how to force a rotation mode for an app?
[07:21] <nocomp_> hi folks
[07:21] <nocomp_> hi folks
[07:21] <nocomp_> i am waiting for my mx4
[07:22] <nocomp_> ubuntu edition
[07:22] <nocomp_> been google here and there
[07:22] <nocomp_> nothing about running aircrack on ubuntu touch
[07:22] <nocomp_> not possible ?
[07:30] <sturmflut2> nocomp_: Should be possible if you copy the binary over to the phone and disable network-manager
[07:33] <nocomp_> ok
[07:33] <nocomp_> thx steev
[07:33] <nocomp_> sturmflut2,
[07:33] <steev> no problem
[07:33] <nocomp_> but i guess it need to be compile for arm, cant  we just do an apt-get install ?
[07:34] <nocomp_> if fs is rw
[07:34] <nocomp_> (from what i ve read)
[07:34] <steev> nocomp_: you could grab the .deb file from kali
[07:34] <steev> or just build it yourself
[07:34] <nocomp_> smart move :)
[07:34] <steev> it's a small package, doesn't take much time to build at all
[07:35] <nocomp_> so if i am courrect
[07:35] <nocomp_> if i add kali pkg in source.list
[07:35] <steev> do NOT do thtat
[07:35] <steev> that*
[07:35] <nocomp_> i should be able to intall it on the fly correct?
[07:35] <steev> unless you want to break your system, do not just add random other distro's pkg sources
[07:36] <nocomp_> oki
[07:36] <nocomp_> thxx for the tip
[07:37] <steev> but
[07:37] <steev> it's going to be pointless to run
[07:37] <steev> the kernel will 99.99999% most likely not be patched for injection
[07:38] <nocomp_> hmmm
[07:38] <steev> you'd be better off cloning the ubuntu touch sources, and building your own kernel and build for the device
[07:38] <nocomp_> ok
[07:39] <nocomp_> pitty there is no kali version for ubuntu touch
[07:39] <nocomp_> would be great to have it native on a mx4
[07:39] <steev> if only someone who had the hardware would do that work.....
[07:39] <nocomp_> there is a linux armel version
[07:39] <steev> it's not like we (i work at kali) hide our sources, but we don't have every piece of hardware out there.... donations accepted :P
[07:39] <nocomp_> or armhf
[07:40] <nocomp_> if i was the marketing dir of meizu
[07:40] <nocomp_> i would give you one
[07:40] <nocomp_> and release the first security linux mobile :)
[07:41] <nocomp_> ever tried on bq ?
[07:41] <ogra_> lol
[07:41] <steev> wut
[07:41] <steev> ogra_: shh
[07:42] <steev> nocomp_: well, as with all things open source, if you wanna see something done, the best way to see that is to roll up your sleeves
[07:42] <nocomp_> i agree
[07:42] <ogra_> point is that not all things are open source here ... to make the hardware work the phone needs to use the binary blobs that android provides, there is no way around that
[07:44] <ogra_> on a driver level ubuntu touch is sadly not more open than android currently ...
[07:44] <steev> ogra_: sure, but what he's talking about isn't really that difficult.  a few kernel patches (if that), and a few extra packages
[07:44] <ogra_> also note that we use the android kernel srouce *and* the android network stack (with all its odd groups etc) ... so if you patch, you want to use anndroid kernel patches
[07:46] <steev> yeah, still not difficult - seems like it if you've never done it before, but once you've done it once or twice... easy as pie
[07:46] <nocomp_> i think that would be a great tool to have a mx4 with kali preinstalled
[07:46] <ogra_> sure, just pointing out that there are some specialities :)
[07:46] <steev> well i'm sure some kali user will come out with something
[07:47] <steev> or you could talk to the nethunter team
[07:47] <steev> i'm not on that side of things though
[07:55] <nocomp_> that would be brilliant
[07:55] <nocomp_> surely it will interest them
[07:55] <nocomp_> at least some of them
[07:56] <nocomp_> nobody has a bq aquaris that he s not using to give away to dev?
[08:29] <zzarr> hello! I have a problem, when I run make I get an error message no rule to make target /android.config
[08:29] <zzarr> what could cause this?
[08:58] <mpt> mvo, hi, could you confirm that with click/snappy it doesn’t matter if the device loses power in the middle of an update? I need to know this to verify that bug 1468305 is a duplicate design-wise
[09:00] <mvo> mpt: I'm not sure about the phone, I need to look at the details how the unpack works there. For snappy if you upgrade the OS and loose power in the middle that will not matter, you boot into the old system (current) and need to upgrade again
[09:04] <mvo> mpt: there are some cases in snappy where the system does not auto-reboot on a broken upgrade, iirc if the initrd is zero size due to e.g. FS corruption it would hang on boot, but a power-cycle will fix this problem and then it will boot into the old (current) system again. so no bootloops. I need to check the trello board for all these corner cases, we did testing to find them (i.e. break the system in various way to see how it recovers)
[09:06] <mpt> mvo, thanks. The point I’m interested in is avoiding having to tell people to keep the device on. If they turn it off the update is effectively cancelled, but that’s not surprising
[09:09] <mvo> mpt: that is correct in the snappy world of a/b partitions at least (modulo bugs but we work on auto-testing all sorts of scenarios)
[09:10] <mvo> mpt: let me look on my phone to see how the script on -touch works to double check, but I suspect its not true here
[09:10] <mvo> (or might not be true)
[09:12] <mpt> The other way of avoiding having to tell people to keep the device on is to not let them turn it off … which would be fine for system updates, not so much for app updates
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Camera Day! 😃
[09:17] <mpt> 😊📷📆
[09:19] <mpt> Now I need an MTP expert. Any MTP experts in the house? Specifically I need to know how a phone distinguishes the devices that try to read stuff off it
[09:32] <popey> mpt: i believe ogra_ or cyphermox are the mtp experts
[09:32] <mpt> thanks
[09:35] <mpt> ogra_, hi. When you connect your phone to a computer, what kind of ID does the computer send for the phone to recognize it?
[09:37]  * mpt starts digging through the 282-page MTP spec
[09:39] <ogra_> mpt, none
[09:40] <ogra_> the PC just uses the USb IDs
[09:41] <mpt> huh
[09:42] <mpt> ogra_, so let’s say we have a prompt on the phone, asking you whether you want to share data with this device you’ve just connected to, or whether you just want to charge
[09:42] <ogra_> udev matches against /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules ... then fires up libmtp for that USB device
[09:42] <mpt> ogra_, and then you disconnect it by mistake, and reconnect it five seconds later
[09:42] <mpt> Is there any way to tell that it’s the same device?
[09:42] <ogra_> to have a prompt you need a lot new code we dont have
[09:43] <ogra_> (which is why we currently only check for the screen lock state and allow/deny access accordingly )
[09:43] <mpt> Maybe so, but customer request, so… :-)
[09:43] <ogra_> sure, just dont expect that to be implementable quicly :)
[09:44] <ogra_> (i'm not even sure who does mtp nowadays ... )
[09:44] <seb128> (nobody I think)
[09:44] <ogra_> yeah
[09:44] <seb128> since cyphermox moved to foundations
[09:45] <ogra_> like most of the plumbing layer it is currently up in the air
[09:45] <mpt> This is sounding like our NetworkManager situation
[09:45] <ogra_> yes
[09:45] <seb128> NM is maintained by cyphermox in the distro
[09:45] <seb128> so it's not similar
[09:45] <ogra_> it is pretty much true for everything in the plumbing layer except telephony
[09:46] <ogra_> everyone who used to work in that level of the system moved elsewhere
[09:46] <seb128> what are you talking about
[09:46] <mpt> Anyway … There is no way to tell that a device you’re connecting to is the same device you connected to before?
[09:46] <seb128> nm is maintained in Ubuntu as it always was
[09:46] <seb128> which means it doesn't have a lot of resources or people working on it full time, but that was like that before
[09:46] <ogra_> seb128, the phone specific patches and bits used to be a phonedations task
[09:46] <seb128> well, that's not "nm" then
[09:46] <seb128> it's "phones patches to nm"
[09:46] <seb128> which is different ;-)
[09:47] <ogra_> sure
[09:48] <seb128> mpt, there is probably a way to query the device/talk  to it over some protocol
[09:48] <ogra_> mpt, i dont think so ... you will need some key exchange between the devices for that ...
[09:48] <ogra_> right, what seb128 says
[09:48] <ogra_> mtp most likely has someting that isnt implemented yet
[09:49] <ogra_> and if not you can surel bolt something on top of it and do a custom thing
[09:49] <ogra_> *surely
[09:52] <mpt> Well, we don’t have any control over the software running on the connecting device … e.g. it’s a charger in the back of a plane seat where the entertainment system is running Windows Embedded :-)
[09:53] <ogra_> right, so oour mtp-server on the phone needs to be extended to support all bits of the protocol ... not only the very basics
[09:58] <mpt> Aha, a MTP device is also a USB device, and USB has … a SerialNumber field :-)
[10:01] <nhaines> I'm happy that the phone bootloader is changing to be a prettier version of the desktop bootloader.  :)
[10:01] <nhaines> Even if I did mention that a year ago.
[10:02] <nhaines> Maybe we'll get something awesome like a prettier plymouth bootsplash or something on the desktop.
[10:05] <mpt> I wonder if whoever is doing that will fix bug 1355093
[10:19] <ogra_> mpt, to fix that properly you would have to run Mir in recovery :)
[10:24] <larsu> ogra_: or change the graphics to be similar enough?
[10:24] <ogra_> larsu, tricky .... one is a true color hi-res image, the other is more like a 64 color animated gif ...
[10:25] <ogra_> even getting the colors to roughly match will be hard
[10:26] <ogra_> it would be good to make them the same size per device and get rid of the awful progress bar in recovery at least ... but having them look the same will be a hard task
[10:26] <Tm_T> do anyone know if there's method to set custom ringtone? none of the provided are loud and noisy enough for me
[10:27] <ogra_> Tm_T, you can pretty safely remount / in rw and just drop your custom tone in the right dir ... (adding a single file as long as you remount ro afterwards again, is rather safe)
[10:28] <ogra_> i know there is work going on to allow ringtones from the homedir, but i think thats not there yet
[10:28] <sturmflut2> Tm_T, ogra_ : Yeah, there's a bug report open about that if I remember
[10:29] <Tm_T> aah of course, thanks
[11:20] <matv1> Tim_T seems to be hit by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1468811
[11:20] <matv1> Tm_T that is :)
[11:21] <matv1> After that, no ringtone in the world is loud enough
[11:22] <Tm_T> matv1: not that
[11:22] <Tm_T> matv1: the issue is the tone and rhythm of the ringtones are too gentle
[11:22]  * ogra_ agrees ... 
[11:22] <matv1> matv1 I am joking. The bug I mention will cause you to go deaf :)
[11:23] <ogra_> i'm also missing a plain and simple telephone sound (analog bell) in our set
[11:23] <Tm_T> ogra_: oh, that too
[11:26] <nhaines> Didn't there used to be an analog bell sound in the default ringtones?
[11:49] <davmor2> Tm_T: try sams song
[11:50] <Tm_T> davmor2: not enough, get drowned by the wind and tyre noise
[12:49] <sturmflut2> Hmmm, how do push notifications for services like Facebook, Twitter etc. work? Who generates those?
[12:49] <ogra_> them
[12:51] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Really? All push notifications are routed over servers run by Canonical, so Twitter and Facebook changed their infrastructure to talk to Canonical servers?
[12:51] <sturmflut2> I know that Telegram did, but Facebook?
[12:51] <ogra_> no, they send the notification to your account
[12:52] <ogra_> what happens (as i understand it, i havent looked at the source) is that the onlline accounts put a token at the canonical notification server so it acts on behalf of the set up account on the phone
[12:53] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Okay, that's what I suspected, but didn't want to hear :/
[12:53] <ogra_> well, i'm only speculating too here ...
[12:53] <ogra_> not sure who does the notification stuff nowadays after the re-org
[12:53] <sturmflut2> No, I think you're completely right, that's how I see it too and everything looks like it is like this
[12:58] <sturmflut2> I am slightly unhappy with this solution, it means Canonical can read all my notifications
[12:59]  * ogra_ quietly clicks away all of sturmflut2's notifications on his desktop and whistles
[12:59] <pundir> hi.. I replaced working kernel from Nexus7 ubuntu-touch image with a custom kernel but it got stuck.
[13:00] <pundir> It seem to have stuck at "exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${in.." and i don't get shell/getty/terminal access
[13:00] <pundir> my working setup with stock images and kernel drops me to shell on boot
[13:01] <pundir> and i was kind of hoping for the same with custom kernel
[13:04] <dobey> ogra_, sturmflut2: the facebook/twitter notifications are done by polling still
[13:04] <dobey> they aren't actually push notifications
[13:06] <sturmflut2> dobey: Which account types are not polled?
[13:07] <DanChapman> sturmflut2: it's only facebook, twitter and gmail that are polled see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-push-hackers/account-polld/trunk/files/head:/plugins/
[13:07] <dobey> sturmflut2: telegram is the only one that actually implements push notifications for ubuntu, afaik
[13:09] <Tm_T> I used to get twitter notifications and facebook notifications, I don't get any now
[13:09] <Tm_T> not even telegram
[13:10] <sturmflut2> DanChapman, dobey: Okay, I see. Thanks. I struggle a bit to understand the story for all account types that are not part of the system itself and can't be changed to use the push service. Like if I build an Instant Messenger for some obscure network, how do I generate notifications? I can't run a service in the background because of the App Lifecycle. I can't get the service provider to change his code to use the Ubuntu
[13:10] <sturmflut2> push notification service. What now?
[13:10]  * brobostigon would like to get xmpp notifications.
[13:11] <dobey> sturmflut2: you have to get the service to implement push notifications
[13:12] <sturmflut2> dobey: That will not work for 99% of them. Ubuntu doesn't (yet) have that kid of weight in the market.
[13:12] <DanChapman> sturmflut2: that's exactly the issue i'm stuck on with dekko.
[13:12] <dobey> sturmflut2: well, then we will have to wait
[13:12] <davmor2> Tm_T: you never got facebook notifications that was dropped, if you are not receiving notifications for telegram twitter or gmail then please file bug reports, many thanks
[13:12] <brobostigon> so i could setup my xmpp server, to push notifications? for example.
[13:12] <sturmflut2> Also that's something I don't even want, tunnel all my notifications through a third party infrastructure in cleartext, hosted in the UK
[13:12] <tathhu> Would USA be good?
[13:13] <Tm_T> davmor2: never got?
[13:13] <Tm_T> why I remember having something in winter
[13:13] <dobey> sturmflut2: then i guess suggest raising any privacy concerns with the security team on the list
[13:13] <sturmflut2> tathhu: Finding a country that I would trust with my messages is another problem :/
[13:13] <davmor2> Tm_T: you might of on nexus 4 but it was never release on a product we ship.
[13:14] <dobey> sturmflut2: notifications don't have to be cleartext
[13:14] <Tm_T> davmor2: right, might be my head failing then
[13:14] <dobey> sturmflut2: the app on the phone has a "helper" which can can decode the push message and decide whether a notification should be shown or not
[13:26] <sturmflut2> dobey: The same topic came up on the mailing list, and I need some time to look at things and write a proper reply. Will post to the ML later.
[13:30] <sturmflut2> How does Telepathy fit into this? Can I ship a Telepathy plugin with my IRC client app, and that plugin can run in the background, or can I only access Telepathy plugins that come with the system?
[13:30] <sturmflut2> And what is the proper solution for Dekko (IMAP)?
[13:32] <ogra_> sturmflut2, you can indeed not ship a system service in your click package
[13:33] <ogra_> so support for your protocol would have to be in telepathy
[13:36] <brobostigon> would there be a way of pushing irssi highlights in realtime to touch?
[13:37] <tvoss> sturmflut2, the general functionality for plugging into the ubuntu messaging experience will be handled by a framework, ultimately
[13:37] <sturmflut2> tvoss: Ah! That was the whole question. Is there already a design document somewhere?
[13:37] <tvoss> sturmflut2, multiple, none of them public (yet)
[13:38] <tvoss> sturmflut2, I can do some digging, though
[13:39] <sturmflut2> tvoss: Okay. I think it might somehow be important to let people know that something is coming, maybe with as many details as are already known.
[13:39] <tvoss> sturmflut2, sure
[13:40] <sturmflut2> tvoss: I can write something down if you provide me with anything you have, I'll ask about the missing details and let you proof-read it
[13:40] <tvoss> sturmflut2, appreciated
[13:40] <sturmflut2> \o/
[13:42] <dobey> it would be nice if we could enable telepathy plug-ins as click/snap packages
[13:51] <mcphail> sturmflut2: Have tried using the new orientation setting in the .desktop file but it seems to cause rendering problems. Don't know if it is a bug in SDL, Mir or Unity8
[13:52] <DanChapman> sturmflut2: I don't think there will ever be any persuading IMAP servers to adopt ubuntu push notifications when 99.9% don't even do it for the android/ios. IDLE fulfills the requirements of a push message and it would take a massive amount of effort to convince them otherwise.
[14:19] <brobostigon> i think i shall have to use caxton as that supports realtime notifications. seems like a solution.
[14:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, that test is crazy. You can't have a unit test test system implementation!
[14:34] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, so how do we test?
[14:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, testing them individually works, but I'll contact Jolla and ask them how they do it.
[14:37] <kenvandine> cool
[14:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, so you just run each test manually?
[14:39] <jgdx> kenvandine, when I patched connman last I did.
[14:40] <jgdx> kenvandine, and now, if you down restart ofono quickly enough the next test fail because ofono isn't up yet. Lol
[14:40] <kenvandine> nice :/
[15:02] <jgdx> kenvandine, I have passes all around, except for the ones requiring ofono restart and except for callforwarding. The callforwarding failure is in trunk as well, so that's green.
[15:03]  * jgdx bbl
[15:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[16:54] <grepo> hello, i am looking for a guru knowing bq aquaris hardware
[16:55] <grepo> I just rebooted my phone and I have black screen since then, backlight is turned on. No reaction on power button whether I press it or hold....
[16:56] <popey> grepo: hold it longer :)
[16:56] <grepo> What should be done, since battery cannot be pulled out?
[16:56] <popey> like 10-20 seconds long
[16:57] <grepo> uau, you rock, i really was not holding it enough, thanks
[16:57] <popey> \o/
[16:57] <popey> woot
[16:57] <grepo> I did not ever think it would need so long press.
[16:58] <popey> yeah, it's the magic key to un-break everything ㋛
[16:58] <grepo> :)
[16:58] <grepo> Thanks once more, bye
[16:58] <popey> o/
[16:59] <popey> Another happy customer
[16:59] <brobostigon> :)
[17:00] <rahulr92> Hi I am running Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus4. I am using a Macbook. Is there someway to take a screenshot? Phabelet-tools seems to be for ubuntu only.
[17:00] <popey> you can hold vol+ and vol- on the device
[17:00] <popey> then grab the picture down the usb cable in the finder over MTP?
[17:01] <popey> You could probably modify the phablet-screenshot tool to run on OSX though
[17:01] <popey> It's just a manky shell script :)
[17:02] <popey> just needs adb and possibly imagemagick, which I guess are both available from OSX from somewhere?
[17:02] <rahulr92> @popey Thanks. The volume buttons worked.
[17:03] <rahulr92> I'll explore modifying phablet-screenshot.
[17:08] <vinit> hello
[17:08] <vinit> hi
[17:08] <vinit> anybody there
[17:09] <davmor2> vinit: yes thanks
[17:09] <vinit> hi davmor2
[17:10] <vinit> thanks for replying
[17:10] <vinit> I have issue with ubuntu touch vivid on nexus 4
[17:11] <davmor2> vinit: you would need to be more specific than that for any to help you
[17:11] <vinit> cellular network says "NO SIM detected"
[17:13] <vinit> I installed ubuntu touch using this guide :https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[17:13] <davmor2> vinit: what image are you on, connect it to an ubuntu pc, enable developer mode in system settings→ about phone, unlock the phone, and type in abd shell system-image-cli -i and then paste to output to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:19] <vinit> heres the output
[17:19] <vinit> current build number: 20 device name: mako channel: ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu last update: 2015-06-30 17:38:39 version version: 20 version ubuntu: 20150611.3 version device: 20150210 version custom: 20150617
[17:25] <vinit> hi davmor2... i have pasted the output of abd shell system-image-cli -i on paste.ubuntu.com
[17:32] <vinit> anybody ...kindly help...i m new to ubuntu os... tried installing it 3-4 times but same issue
[17:32] <brobostigon> more information required please.
[17:35] <vinit> Installed ubuntu os on my nexus 4 using the installation guide on ubuntu website...installed properly. But it says "NO SIM DETECTED". tried with 2-3 sims.but same issue
[17:35] <vinit> current build number: 20 device name: mako channel: ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu last update: 2015-06-30 17:38:39 version version: 20 version ubuntu: 20150611.3 version device: 20150210 version custom: 20150617
[17:42] <vinit> can i install a tar.xz file to my nexus using adb? ive find a likely solution...want to give it a try.https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urfkill/0.6.0~20141007.235123.f908aff.1-0ubuntu1
[17:43] <popey> vinit: is the SIM locked?
[17:44] <SturmFlut> ogra_, popey: Do you know if "click chroot"/schroot has problems with ecryptfs? I can no longer create an ubuntu-sdk-15.04 schroot, see the bottom of http://paste.ubuntu.com/11794281/
[17:45] <vinit> Sim works perfectly on other phones and also i tried other sim also...but same issue.
[17:45] <popey> SturmFlut: it does not, i use ecryptfs
[17:45] <popey> vinit: does the SIM require a PIN?
[17:45] <SturmFlut> popey: Hmpf, what the heck is going on here
[17:45] <popey> SturmFlut: tsk tsk root not sudo?
[17:45] <vinit> i dont think its locked
[17:46] <SturmFlut> popey: I took this notebook completely apart today and replaced the heat sink paste on the CPU, I think I can manage a root account ;)
[17:46] <vinit> no . it doesnt require pin
[17:47] <popey> SturmFlut: it was more a question of the environment being right
[17:47] <popey> vinit: I don't know then, perhaps ask awe when/if he's around
[17:48] <SturmFlut> popey: It's the same with sudo, and the same after a couple of reboots, and the same after manually shutting down all schroot sessions etc. I am quite lost, which is unusual.
[17:49] <vinit> ok thanks popey
[17:50] <SturmFlut> I don't even understand why the mount is "busy", lsof doesn't show a single open file on it
[17:54] <popey> SturmFlut: poke zbenjamin
[17:55] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin: *poke*
[17:57] <zbenjamin> SturmFlut: you can not have a mountpoint on home with the click chroots
[17:58] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin: So ubuntu-sdk is incompatible with ecryptfs? When did that happen, I've been using the system like this for two months?
[17:58] <zbenjamin> hm i think it happend with the switch to systemd
[17:58] <zbenjamin> not sure though.
[17:59] <zbenjamin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264
[17:59] <SturmFlut> I knew it, my first thought was "systemd"
[18:00] <SturmFlut> Every time something about mounts is broken, it's systemd in the end
[18:01] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin: Thanks, hopefully this is fixed soon, it is very annoying.
[18:01] <Hannibalus> Hi, Help me someone to install Ubuntu Touch in my Meizu Mx4?
[18:02] <SturmFlut> Hannibalus: You've bought the Android version?
[18:02] <Hannibalus> Yes, A few months back.
[18:03] <zbenjamin> SturmFlut: tbh i think we have way too many complex technologies there. Overlayfs, bind mounts and so on ...
[18:04] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin: The Pros outweigh the Cons I think. It was fine for a long time, and it does make cross-building very easy.
[18:05] <SturmFlut> Hannibalus: http://news.softpedia.com/news/buying-a-meizu-mx4-with-android-to-flash-ubuntu-is-not-a-good-idea-485495.shtml
[18:07] <Hannibalus> SturmFlut: Awgh... This is bullshit.
[18:07] <SturmFlut> popey: Silviu Stahie followed me on G+ today. For a moment it felt as if I had been transported to Bizarro World.
[18:09] <SturmFlut> Hannibalus: If you bought your device a few months back, there's a high probability that it's the imported chinese model with the locked bootloader
[18:10] <Hannibalus> SturmFlut: Can not unlock?
[18:12] <SturmFlut> Hannibalus: No, at least nobody seems to know how.
[18:12] <kenvandine> even unlocked, you would need to use the mtk tool to repartition it
[18:14] <SturmFlut> kenvandine: Have the scatter files, preloader, LK etc. been published? At least preloader, LK etc. are not part of Meizu's kernel tree like they should.
[18:14] <kenvandine> no idea
[18:14] <Hannibalus> I try
[18:15] <SturmFlut> I have a feeling that he's coming back with a broken device in his hands
[18:16] <kenvandine> yup
[18:24] <EdwardMorbius> hello anyone knows why upstars logs are filled with untrusted-helper-push-helper?
[18:24] <EdwardMorbius> I have a ton of them there
[18:27] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: Every notification generates one of these. They are cleaned up automatically.
[18:28] <SturmFlut> s/notification/push notification/
[18:29] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut thanks, I also updated this bug I submitted some time ago https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1440756
[18:29] <EdwardMorbius> I get that every few days, after OTA-4 it no longer reboots itself, the phone needs to be turned off.
[18:30] <julienrbt> Hey!
[18:30] <julienrbt> The Nexus 4 still actively supported?
[18:31] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1465826 might be a duplicate of this
[18:31] <popey> julienrbt: not as much as the bq and meizu devices
[18:31] <popey> doesn't get as much testing
[18:31] <julienrbt> Oh ok.
[18:32] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut I will add myself to the affected list and attach my log
[18:33] <EdwardMorbius> done
[18:33] <julienrbt> popey, so it is not "safe" for daily use?
[18:33] <popey> julienrbt: ask mhall119, he uses a nexus 4
[18:34] <julienrbt> ok.
[18:34] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: To be honest I don't use the UI of my E4.5 enough to experience these bugs, my phones are mostly connected to USB and I access them through phablet-shell
[18:34] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: But it looks like the issue pops up a lot lately
[18:35] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut to me this happens every few days, otherwise phone works fine. my log seems to indicate some warnings and "FAILED" statuses
[18:35] <EdwardMorbius> I hope it will be useful for people working on Unity 8
[18:36] <EdwardMorbius> I am using my phone as a daily driver so it sees heavy use.
[18:37] <SturmFlut> EdwardMorbius: Nice!
[18:38] <EdwardMorbius> SturmFlut and it works quite nicely if it werent for these freezes, didnt experience any other significant bugs.
[18:39] <SturmFlut> tyhicks: Ping
[18:41] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: hello
[18:42] <julienrbt> WON :) http://i.imgur.com/aDcVP34.png Now, should I buy it or wait later in year for the "convergence" phone from Bq?
[18:42] <SturmFlut> tyhicks: Hi! Do you remember which fix you proposed, and where, in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264/comments/22 ?
[18:43] <julienrbt> I've atm a Nexus 4. The Meizu MX4 will has a greatest support?
[18:43] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: yeah, the Debian bug is linked to from the launchpad bug
[18:43] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: here's the link: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786566
[18:44] <SturmFlut> tyhicks: Argh, I'm blind, sorry for the disturbance. It's right there at the top
[18:44] <tyhicks> no problem :)
[18:45] <SturmFlut> tyhicks: Any chance to backport this for vivid?
[18:46] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: I already backported the patch to schroot 1.6: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?filename=1.6-schroot-mount-make-bind-mounts-private.patch;att=2;bug=786566;msg=5
[18:47] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: I was hoping to get an upstream review before doing an SRU but maybe we shouldn't wait any longer
[18:48] <SturmFlut> tyhicks: That would make me soooo happy ;)
[18:49] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: ok, I'll see if I can get time to start the SRU this week
[18:49] <SturmFlut> But this might also be the right time to ditch ecryptfs for full-disk encryption, hm
[18:50] <SturmFlut> \o/
[18:51] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: note the workaround at the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264/comments/5
[18:52] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: it'll get you by until the SRU process runs its course
[18:55] <SturmFlut> tyhicks: I've read through later comments and the solution in comment #5 seems to cause a mount loop for some
[18:58] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: hmm... that means that I'll need to figure out what's happening there before I do the SRU
[18:58] <tyhicks> SturmFlut: the SRU fix would use rprivate instead of rslave but I'd need to make sure that doesn't trigger the mount loop'
[19:17] <tedg> Kaleo, I thought I remembered a command line argument for Qt apps that allows the mouse to simulate touch events, do you know what that is?
[19:19] <Kaleo> tedg, hmpf, I have very vague memories of that
[19:19] <Kaleo> tedg, maybe dandrader knows
[19:21] <dandrader> tedg, -mousetouch
[19:21] <tedg> dandrader, Cool, thanks!
[19:23] <kenvandine> tedg, you really don't use g+ much do you :)
[19:24] <tedg> kenvandine, Heh, no
[19:25] <kenvandine> i thought i had tagged the wrong ted in my post, since you hadn't posted since 2013 :)
[19:26] <tedg> Heh, cool post though. I hope we get more people sharing text.
[19:26] <tedg> I'd love to be able to use it with Dekko and Reminders specifically.
[19:30] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:31] <kenvandine> jgdx, i created a testing silo for your fall forwarding branch, i gave up trying to flash wily on my krillin to test the debs from CI
[19:32] <kenvandine> lol
[19:32] <kenvandine> s/fall/call/
[19:35] <tedg> I thought you were getting on timezone issues early ;-)
[19:35] <kenvandine> lol
[19:53] <mhall119> does anybody know what docs package the QML Connectivity APIs are in?
[19:53] <mhall119> bzoltan_: zbenjamin ^^
[19:55] <kenvandine> tedg, earlier said "Voice input rocks" it got "voice and pet rocks" :-D
[19:56] <kenvandine> it's clearly more witty than I
[19:56] <tedg> kenvandine, Well, that's not hard ;-)
[19:56] <tedg> mhall119, I'd assume libconnectivity
[19:56] <kenvandine> haha
[19:57] <kenvandine> mhall119, do you mean our connectivity api?
[19:57] <tedg> mhall119, https://launchpad.net/connectivity-api
[22:05] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin, popey: It is actually the ecryptfs, using a user account with a non-encrypted homedir fixes the schroot problem.
[22:06] <zbenjamin> SturmFlut: yes i know :(
[22:07] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin: I took the opportunity to change my system to full-disk encryption, I've never actually liked ecryptfs and it feels like dm-crypt is also much faster
[22:07] <zbenjamin> SturmFlut: cool :)
[22:08] <SturmFlut> zbenjamin: No point in having three disks in a notebook if they are being slowed down ;)
[23:05] <SturmFlut> I am surprised that two of my german banking webapps actually have about 60 users each
[23:40] <SturmFlut> Hmm, the app store rejected two of my apps with several errors that the "Publish" tab in Qt Creator doesn't show.
[23:41] <SturmFlut> Now I don't know what the actual problem is, because the store feedback just shows the number of errors and warnings, but no details
[23:42] <SturmFlut> And the last upload to the store was accepted with no errors