[01:41] <diddledan> the problem with using non-isp dns servers is you don't get the local-to-your-isp CDN
[01:42] <diddledan> ^ what he said
[01:43] <diddledan> I don't understand how anycast works but it would be good if CDNs used anycast IP addresses
[01:43] <diddledan> the google dns is anycast AFAICT (meaning that somehow it uses a geographically local server instead of google-hq)
[01:46] <shauno> I think cloudflare do
[01:47] <shauno> but yeah, google do it quite heavily.  even between here and london I get to different machines
[01:54] <daftykins> i think it screws up for me on either my ISP DNS or Google DNS
[01:55] <daftykins> picking openDNS seemed to work better for something
[01:55] <daftykins> i should do further testing then use whichever works better
[01:55] <daftykins> could be why my xbox downloads slow sometimes
[02:49] <shauno> hm.  it's awkward o'clock, when I start to suspect I won't have time for sleep tonight
[02:50] <daftykins> g'wan be a devil ;)
[02:53] <shauno> well, I have to be up at 5
[03:03] <mapps> hi;]
[05:45] <mapps> too hot
[05:45] <mapps> urgh
[05:46] <knightwise> morning mapps , shauno , daftykins
[05:47] <mapps> morning
[05:47] <mapps> think those lot finally fell asleep
[05:47] <mapps> at their kbs;p
[05:49] <knightwise> gonna be a hot one today
[05:49] <shauno> morning knightwise (and mapps)
[05:49] <mapps> oh
[05:49] <mapps> morning
[05:50] <mapps> was 27c here yesterday
[05:50] <mapps> hot now which makes it hard to sleep
[05:50] <mapps> gonna go beach later
[05:50] <shauno> awwww
[05:51] <knightwise> mapps: we wheep for you
[05:52] <knightwise> mapps: did I tell you about the tv show MR ROBOT ?
[05:58] <mapps> notsure
[05:58] <mapps> goon;]
[05:58] <mapps> think ive heard of it
[05:59] <mapps> good?
[06:00] <knightwise> very
[06:00] <knightwise> enjoyed the pilot very much
[06:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:57] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:13] <knightwise> mpsyoutube ... and you never ever will feed the need to use spotify
[07:41] <knightwise> Ah :) New fullcircle mag !
[07:44] <diplo> Morning all
[07:45] <knightwise> morning diplo
[08:19] <foobarry> ful circle still going? i remember it from the digg days
[08:20] <popey> coming up to their #100 issue
[08:22] <foobarry> experiencing community issues after teh school fete. people moaning on facebook about how it wasn't like 30 yrs ago, not realising the fete is as good as the parents want it to be as it is run by volunteers
[08:22] <foobarry> i remember we had the red devils skydiving into the fete etc one year
[08:22] <foobarry> one of the biggest days of the year after fa cup final day
[08:23] <popey> there's a fb group I'm in which removes any negativity
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> back when you moaned on bbses about fetes not been as good as when they were been bombed by the luftwaffe...
[08:23] <popey> because the focus of the group is looking back on photos & memories of the past
[08:23] <popey> usually someone moans on about how stuff is crap now, and it was better then etc
[08:23] <popey> that gets wiped out instantly
[08:24] <foobarry> my missis has been removing the negative stuff, but occasionally educating the moaners that it would only require 1hr of their time and some parenst spent the whole day there
[08:25] <foobarry> altough there is some constructive feedback they can take from it, i hope they do
[08:25] <foobarry> i.e. don't be defensive, try to make more awesome
[08:25] <foobarry> they did have a circus this year after all
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:04] <foobarry> my powerline adapters are dying already. massive ping dropouts
[09:04] <foobarry> can't even use ssh properly
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> time to replace with wifi or cat5 cable?
[09:06] <foobarry> the powerlines replaced wifi :(
[09:09] <knightwise> foobarry: internet over powerlines blows ultra magnus fortimus
[09:09] <MooDoo> cat6 :D
[09:09] <MooDoo> although i'm using powerline for my xbox
[09:09] <popey> I use powerline to put an wifi access point in the middle of the house
[09:09] <popey> so all wifi traffic goes over wifi, powerline _and_ wired ethernet
[09:09] <popey> :)
[09:10] <foobarry> weirdly pinging from the server to 8.8.8.8 works
[09:10] <foobarry> but pinging to the server and ssh sessions suck
[09:10] <knightwise> ooh that sounds like a triple-medium-problem-sandwhich
[09:10] <foobarry> but my wifi is ok
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> so if anyone of those fails it all falls over...
[09:10] <popey> not all, only those on wifi
[09:10] <popey> I'm wired :)
[09:10] <knightwise> ethernet over powerlines is good as an endpoint connection but not as a backend
[09:10] <popey> screw those guys
[09:13] <knightwise> popey: did you catch my voicemail  ?
[09:13] <popey> not yet. It's in the queue :)
[09:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Camera Day! 😃
[09:14] <knightwise> Camera day must be a big thing in the uk :)
[09:14] <knightwise> Surveilance capital of the world and all
[09:15] <foobarry> only in london and on the roads
[09:15] <popey> and in shopping centres
[09:15] <foobarry> probably have the IRA to blame/thank for that
[09:15] <foobarry> ditto IRA
[09:15] <popey> and on trains
[09:16] <foobarry> thats the stabby young kids
[09:17] <foobarry> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/glastonbury/11693841/glastonbury-quotes.html?frame=3352707
[09:17] <foobarry> heh
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> well all that surveilance has kept the stasi secure in eastern germany hasn't it?
[09:34] <TwistedLucidity> http://cvdazzle.com/
[09:53] <knightwise> Listening to 8_16
[10:00] <bashrc_> the mass surveillance is just about trying to keep the lid on things, but if there's enough dissent no amount of intimidation will stop the wall from coming down
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> all those cold war agencies want someone to spy on to justify their paychecks
[10:04] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: i read "the snowden files"
[10:04] <knightwise> very sobering
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> well living in ireland i'm used to surveillance dating back decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capenhurst#Capenhurst_tower
[10:19] <foobarry> in evernote, when i open the page to find a note, with a colleague next to me, i don't want him to see the other notes come up in my recent list
[10:19] <foobarry> any way to hide that? (i'm a premium user)
[10:38] <knightwise> foobarry: which client do you use for evernote on Linux ?
[10:39] <SuperMatt> it's wombledon time now, so everyone tune in :)
[10:41] <foobarry> knightwise: web page usually (and i hate it)
[10:41] <foobarry> wimbledon? but it's sunny!
[10:41] <foobarry> evernote is useful but horrible UX
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> once the first tennis ball hits the grass the weather will turn
[10:42] <foobarry> but i have wednesday off, schooboy error
[10:42] <knightwise> foobarry: agree. the thing i hate about it is that I have no (decent) offline client for linux.
[10:42] <knightwise> currently running the windows version in wine
[10:42] <foobarry> yes i have that too
[10:43] <knightwise> but i am starting to lean towards just using textfiles in Dropbox
[10:43] <foobarry> but it ate some notes i was collaborating on
[10:43] <foobarry> they have poor overwrite rules for client and web version
[10:43] <foobarry> the mac one ate notes too
[10:43] <foobarry> overwrote web ones with blank
[11:10] <popey> hey chaps
[11:10] <popey> what feature would you miss most if it was ripped out of nautilus?
[11:10] <knightwise> connect to server
[11:10] <popey> good one
[11:11] <knightwise> its a bit sad that they deprecated it (you used to be able to pull down what protocol you wanted to use) .. now you have to type that in manually like smb:// etc..;
[11:14] <foobarry> so bookmarks too
[11:14] <diplo> knightwise: +1 annoys me too
[11:14] <foobarry> however i don't use nautilus anymore , and the feature i miss most is connect to server
[11:14] <knightwise> foobarry: whato do you use instead
[11:15] <foobarry> pantheon-files
[11:16] <foobarry> its like nautilus but without any menus/features
[11:18] <ali1234> popey: ability to show file modified date and time
[11:25]  * knightwise suspect popey is in a canonical meeting titled "Why I want to scrap nautilus" :p
[11:25] <shauno> "quick, everyone do my homework!"
[11:25] <popey> haha
[11:25] <popey> not quite :)
[11:26] <popey> We have a file manager app on the phone, looking at what features we're missing from Nautilus
[11:26] <popey> and yes, "connect to server" is one I miss too
[11:27] <knightwise> popey: :) Glad to be of assistance :)
[11:29] <ali1234> you should compare it to a file manager that is actually good
[11:29] <diplo> ES File manager :)
[11:29] <shauno> I'm not convinced such a thing exists
[11:31] <shauno> norton commander really doesn't suit a 'touch' environment, and that's the closest I can think of
[11:31] <knightwise> shauno: true.
[11:31] <knightwise> but it is a classic
[11:31] <knightwise> OSX finder is terrible
[11:34] <shauno> it is.  my 'file manager' is having bash on a hotkey, but that doesn't really suit touch either
[11:35] <ali1234> why does a phone even need a file manager?
[11:36] <brobostigon> to manage documents, media etc.?
[11:36] <SuperMatt> I swear I'm one of three people in the world that like nautilus, and 2 of them developed it
[11:37]  * brobostigon uses straight gnome3, so he uses nautilus as well.
[11:38] <SuperMatt> straight gnome 3.16 is absolutely spectacular
[11:38] <SuperMatt> it is now my base level for an OS
[11:38] <SuperMatt> I won't install it unless it has 3.16
[11:38] <SuperMatt> so sorry Vivid!
[11:39] <popey> ali1234: what's your suggestion of a good file manager?
[11:39] <popey> and what features are in it that make it better than nautilus?
[11:40]  * popey hopes for mc
[11:40] <popey> and "works in a terminal" being the feature :)
[11:40] <ali1234> thunar, ability to see file modification date
[11:40] <popey> i can see that in nautilus...
[11:41] <ali1234> it does not show time
[11:41] <popey> ah right
[11:41] <popey> yeah, i dont like that either
[11:42] <ali1234> also correct handling of xdg-bookmarks is good
[11:42] <ali1234> nautilus doesn't despite the fact they invented the standard
[11:42]  * popey installs thunar to play
[11:42] <ali1234> having a proper menu is also essential
[11:42] <diplo> ali1234: I use a file manager on my phone all the time, ES File explorer is great, if we could get half of the stuff from that in
[11:43] <ali1234> i havent used nautilus for two years so i don't know what other stupid "features" it has picked up since then
[11:44] <popey> is thunar a fork of old nautilus?
[11:44] <popey> they're very similar
[11:44] <ali1234> no
[11:47] <ali1234> thunar would be terrible on a phone anyway
[11:47] <ali1234> you need a totally different interface
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: no thunar was a fresh app back some time ago they decided that nautilus was getting too resource hungry iirc
[11:49] <popey> thunar is nice
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> thunar is quite nippy on my ancient netboo
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> *netbook
[11:50] <ali1234> thunar would be nicer if xfce had a working thumbnailer daemon :/
[11:50] <davmor2> popey: midnight commander ;)
[11:51] <ali1234> imagine if midnight command had an actual gui that you could click on
[11:51] <ali1234> that's the file manager i used to use on my amiga 20 years ago
[11:52] <ali1234> http://www.abime.net/img/files/applications/DOpus/DOpus4_2.png
[11:53] <ali1234> now something like this maybe could actually work on a phone
[11:53] <ali1234> if you made the buttons bigger
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: selecting an app to run something in, in the preferences.  Not sure if phone can do that.  Ie open videos in vlc over videos for example
[12:03] <davmor2> popey: differences in single click vs double click for desktops maybe?
[12:08] <popey> davmor2: that should be system wide mimetype imo
[12:10] <davmor2> popey: indeed but how would you access that, and it might be that you want mpg in one and mkv in another for example. so being able to select a default like you can in nautilus is useful rather than in content hub everytime maybe
[12:11] <davmor2> popey: so undefaulted show contenthub and defined open in the app selected just a suggestion any way it is something I'd miss, which is what you asked for :)
[12:12] <davmor2> popey: other than that +1 on connect to server I think that is kinda critical especially samba and ssh
[12:14] <shauno> am I the only one that things that's a bit niche on a phone?
[12:15] <foobarry> thunar features bulk renaming
[12:15] <foobarry> major USP
[12:15] <shauno> not to say it's a bad idea, but there has to be some kinda 80/80 thing going on
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: an old feature in nautilus that was nice was the predefined fields for a connection too  that would save some typing on a phone :)
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: I think they dropped that when they moved to gvfs though
[12:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:30] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[12:39] <bigcalm> o/
[12:41] <bigcalm> I've set up a couple of ProxyCommand host jumpers in .ssh/config. I can ssh directly to the target by the name I've given in the config. But I can't use those names in other programs that can SSH. Anyway of doing so?
[12:50] <jpds> bigcalm: Set 'User' in config too?
[12:52] <ali1234> http://www.customer.scaneye.net/daily-piracy-update-of-ubuntu-mate-14.04.1-final-desktop-amd64.iso.html
[12:53] <bigcalm> Cannot open SSH Tunnel: Error connecting SSH tunnel: Error connecting to SSH server: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[12:53] <bigcalm> Please refer to logs for details.
[12:53] <bigcalm> That's from MySQL Workbench
[14:27] <foobarry> tab pauser has made my chrome probs 10x worse
[14:49] <bigcalm> Busy day...
[14:57] <popey> foobarry: I use tab-suspender
[14:57] <popey> dunno if there's a difference
[14:57] <foobarry> thatts the one
[14:58] <popey> what's worse?
[14:58] <popey> My laptop is 10x more usable now
[14:58] <foobarry> chrome is locking up on abotu 10-15 tabs
[14:58] <foobarry> RAM usage 6GB
[14:58] <foobarry> ona daily basis
[14:59] <foobarry> they are the usual tabs i use for 30-50 tabs
[15:00] <foobarry> dunno whats going on
[15:01] <foobarry> tried flipping to firefox but thats pretty sucky
[15:01] <foobarry> might have to run memtest on here to see whats going on
[15:24] <intrbiz> close some tabs?
[15:25] <foobarry> i did, i'm down to 10-15 now
[15:25] <foobarry> and chrome has become far more unstable
[15:25] <foobarry> since running tab suspender,
[15:25] <popey> I have 42 tabs open at the moment
[15:25] <foobarry> unstable because chrome frees 6gb when closed
[15:25] <intrbiz> i have 4
[15:27] <popey>   3.4 GiB + 160.3 MiB =   3.6 GiB	chrome (38)
[15:27] <popey> not bad with 42 tabs :)
[15:28] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11793654/
[15:29] <foobarry> popey: whats that command?
[15:29] <popey> its a handy python script
[15:29] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11793661/
[15:29] <popey> ps_mem
[15:29] <foobarry> compiz! lol
[15:29] <foobarry> thanks i'll try that
[15:30] <popey> i sometimes run it via cron and then grep for a process in all the log files to see what's growing
[15:30] <popey> helped me find a memory eater on the phone
[15:30] <foobarry> root required :(
[15:32] <bigcalm> Add to sudo with a no password requirement :)
[15:32] <bigcalm> Hi kids
[15:32] <foobarry> yeah but its a script from teh internet
[15:33] <popey> you could read it
[15:33] <popey> it's been around for 10 years!
[15:33] <popey> so not like some monkey mashed a keyboard overnight
[15:33] <bigcalm> I grepped for 'rm' and didn't find any baddies
[15:33] <foobarry> sounds legit
[15:35] <bigcalm> My top users: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11793695/
[15:37] <bigcalm> Not as bad as I thought
[15:38] <bigcalm> Expected Vbox to be using more
[15:38] <bigcalm> Maybe it doesn't count the vms themselves
[15:38] <popey> 4 of the top 6 memory eaters on my server are landscape
[15:38] <popey>  28.9 MiB + 609.0 KiB =  29.5 MiB	landscape-broke
[15:38] <popey> thats the highest though, so not bad
[15:40] <intrbiz> bigcalm: well vbox is using the most, across two processes
[15:41] <bigcalm> intrbiz: true
[15:42] <bigcalm> intrbiz: the 4200G is too deep for the cabinet we have. Well it fits if I don't plug any cables into it
[15:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ah, right angled mains cable maybe?
[15:42] <intrbiz> bigcalm: we're gonna need a bigger rack
[15:42] <bigcalm> intrbiz: it would help, don't know if it'll be enough though
[15:42] <bigcalm> Yep!
[15:42] <bigcalm> Fnar fnar
[16:18]  * brobostigon finds it annoying, that the bbc have ditched pointless for the tennis.
[16:25] <diddledan> 50 tabs is a bit OTT IMO
[16:25] <diddledan> I can't remember what's what when I only have 10 tabs
[16:27] <shauno> I'm surprised there isn't a name for that
[16:27] <shauno> this odd ADD/kleptomania combination that leaves people collecting every webpage they've ever been to
[16:28] <popey> its not that for me
[16:28] <popey> I have two windows, one personal, one work. the work one has lots of launchpad merge requests / google documents etc
[16:28] <popey> it's like leaving a copy of word open with 3 docs in it that I use a lot
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> i use text editor with all my notes in a journal file entries separated by date and hashtags that is backed up to dropbox and replicated to my other machines and tablet.
[16:37] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZmGGAbHqa0 <-- googley datacentres
[16:39] <directhex> i kill all tabs several times a day
[16:39] <shauno> I think that one at 0:07 is the one with crocodiles?
[16:40] <shauno> yeah, I close my browser when I'm done with it.  otherwise I can chase tangents for 8 hours and do nothing
[17:55] <diddledan> shauno: crocodiles?
[18:27] <dutchtill> help, i cant access these links but it works on windows
[18:28] <dutchtill> i know the problem isnt my internet connection
[18:29] <diddledan> that's nice
[18:29] <diddledan> these links are evil anyway
[18:29] <dutchtill> i know... but i want to access them on Linux not on Windows
[18:30] <dutchtill> but all my browsers wont load them
[18:30] <diddledan> I guess you have a flagial abruption
[18:30] <diddledan> flangial**
[18:31] <diddledan> the widget needs unscrewing
[18:31] <dutchtill> no, im lost now
[18:31] <diddledan> I was lost to begin with
[18:32] <dutchtill> fair enough
[18:32] <dutchtill> i have a problem with 3 links
[18:32] <diddledan> www.three.co.uk ?
[18:32] <dutchtill> i can access them on windows but i cant accesss them on linux
[18:32] <dutchtill> no no no
[18:33] <dutchtill> one of them is this
[18:33] <dutchtill> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?459f0f4bf629ef1b#lroIENKI9LPGBAUv5K8NelwPyGVjQx97AMNzlPiw0Z4=
[18:33] <dutchtill> the link is not broken
[18:35] <dutchtill> but all my browsers on Linux even after reinstalling them still doesnt work
[18:36] <dutchtill> oh cock, i copied them wrong
[18:36] <dutchtill> oops
[18:37] <diddledan> loads fine here
[18:37] <dutchtill> i copied them in the wrong format
[18:39] <dutchtill> no no no, does my ip gives shown on here>
[18:39] <dutchtill> *get
[18:39] <dutchtill> because i clicked on my name only to find a ip address which led me to my sky hub
[18:40] <popey> 94.3.193.220 is your ip, yes, we see that
[18:40] <diddledan> ello popey
[18:40] <popey> yo
[18:40] <dutchtill> ........................................................................... there goes my location
[18:40] <diddledan> o/
[18:41] <diddledan> IP Addresses aren't private
[18:41] <dutchtill> i know that but you can access on here easy
[18:41] <diddledan> I don't get the point of masking either IP addresses or domain/hostnames
[18:41] <dutchtill> you tend to do a view nerdy things
[18:41] <dutchtill> to give ones ip