[05:42] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:07] <mazal> Morning Graeme
[06:07] <Padroni> Morning 
[06:07] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:11] <Padroni> how are you guys>?
[06:13] <mazal> Good thanx and you ?
[06:13] <Padroni> I am good
[06:13] <Padroni> it's winter here though
[06:28] <Kilos> hi barrydk  mazal  superfly  Padroni  and other lurkers
[06:29] <Padroni> hello kilos
[06:29] <Padroni> you up?
[06:29] <Kilos> yip very cold and misty today
[06:29] <Kilos> sheep are out already 
[06:29] <mazal> More oom
[06:30] <mazal> maaz greet lurkers
[06:30] <Maaz> Hello lurkers, you may voice an opinion now and again you know
[06:30] <mazal> lol
[06:30] <Kilos> hehe
[06:31] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Uncle Kilos
[06:35] <Kilos> uh oh
[06:57] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:57] <Kilos> hi Cryterion  
[07:53] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  Xethron  
[08:05] <magespawn> good morning
[08:05] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[08:06] <magespawn> how was the weekend Kilos?
[08:06] <Kilos> very quiet and cold, and there?
[08:07] <magespawn> warm for this tie of year
[08:07] <Kilos> ai!
[08:07] <magespawn> time too
[08:07] <Kilos> i could do with some warm, ThatGraemeGuy  sends all the cape cold fronts here
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> muhahaha!
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> speaking of which, anyone have any experience with panel heaters that attach to the wall?
[08:13] <Padroni> can't say that I have
[08:13] <Padroni> don't they use a lot of elec though?
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> need something for the kids' room, and I'm not sure if these would be useful. max out at 400W & the consensus seems to be that it needs to run pretty much 24x7 to make any difference :-o
[08:14] <MaNI> I've got two
[08:14] <Kilos> imo the most efficient heaters are those small fan heaters
[08:14] <magespawn> My sister had one in the bathroom which worked like a charm
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: I'm seeing others with that same opinion
[08:14] <MaNI> how long you need to run them to make a difference depends on how well your house is insulated :)
[08:14] <Kilos> they work great ThatGraemeGuy  
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> especially for only being used overnight
[08:14] <MaNI> beats those terrible fan air heaters people like at any rate
[08:14] <MaNI> they work pretty well, though they do use lots of power
[08:15] <MaNI> but thats a given for pretty much any electrical heater
[08:15] <Kilos> yip
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> the explanations I'm reading are that it takes a certain amount of energy to heat a given room to a given temp
[08:16] <Kilos> how warm do you want to spend is todays game
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> so a 400W panel takes 5x longer than a 2kW fan heater for instance
[08:16] <MaNI> also the wall panel heaters are relatively safe compared to some of the alternatives, if safety is a concern
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> hence why people just leave the panel on 24x7
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> all too complicated
[08:25] <pieter2627> morning all
[08:25] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  hoe gaan dit?
[08:26] <pieter2627> goed dankie, en oom?
[08:26] <Kilos> goed dankie
[08:26] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[08:27] <Kilos> magespaw1  i hope he is on leave or something
[08:28] <magespaw1> maybe he has gone into hibernation
[08:29] <Kilos> lol thats also ok but we need to tell him to warn us beforehand
[08:30] <Cryterion> ThatGraemeGuy, your probably best off using an aircon unit than a heating pad, as the aircon will use approx 1/3 the energy
[08:31] <magespawn> Cryterion: don't they use a lot more energy in heating?
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah except the initial outlay is R5k instead of R300
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> damn kids and their intolerance of cold air :-p
[08:31] <MaNI> just go outside and skip for a few minutes, then you will be warm :)
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> that doesn'
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> that doesn't warm the air in their bedroom which is the core of the issue
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> they keep warm just fine but cold cape town air does a horrible number on their breathing systems
[08:32] <magespawn> oil fine heaters are supposed to be quite good, how old are the kids?
[08:32] <MaNI> ahh right
[08:32] <MaNI> sinus issues
[08:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2.5 and 6
[08:33] <Kilos> yip small fan heater is the answer if only the kids need the heat
[08:33] <magespawn> s/fine/fin
[08:33] <MaNI> panel heating will be best for them anyway then, the other types are bad for sinuses :p
[08:33] <Kilos> then if it dries the air too much you just place a dish of water in front of it
[08:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have a humidifier that will deal with dry air
[08:34] <Kilos> then you fine
[08:35] <MaNI> how are the windows in their room? I find fixing draughty windows a better initial win for stuff like that, heater second 
[08:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm even keeping the window closed
[08:37] <MaNI> yeah but if they are old wooden ones with old putty they leak cold air like crazy, south african homes are terrible that way 
[08:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, aluminium frames, no leakiness
[08:38] <MaNI> ahh okay
[08:45] <Cryterion> magespawn, No you still running a pump, and not elements
[08:50] <magespawn> Cryterion: that is good to know, does this apply to all split unit aircons/
[08:50] <Cryterion> Yes
[08:54] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  
[09:08] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  is the kids room on the southern side of the house?
[09:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuhhhhhhh
[09:08]  * ThatGraemeGuy consults google maps
[09:08] <Kilos> all the south side never sees the sun
[09:09] <Kilos> especially in winter
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> no their window & external wall faces ENE more or less
[09:10] <Kilos> morning sun only then
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty much
[09:10] <Kilos> and large windows?
[09:12] <Kilos> double glazing helps some
[09:13] <Kilos> allows heat in with sun light then stops cold coming in
[09:13] <Kilos> or heat escaping
[09:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> no just plain windows
[09:22] <MaNI> too bad double glazing so expensive here :p
[09:23] <Kilos> what isnt
[09:24] <MaNI> :(
[09:25] <Kilos> hehe i remember when a packet of smokes and a box of matches cost 20c
[09:26] <Kilos> and petrol from pta to durbs cost R6
[09:30] <magespawn> that is going back just a little bit
[09:30] <Kilos> lol
[09:30] <Kilos> everything was so much slower back then
[12:30] <mazal> Bye for now everyone
[12:30] <Kilos> cheers mazal  
[14:23] <Kilos> magespawn  seen inetpro  
[14:23] <Kilos> ai!
[14:23] <Kilos> Maaz  seen inetpro  
[14:23] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 18 hours, 47 minutes and 10 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-06-28 12:36:25 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2015-06-26 15:32:33 PDT
[14:25] <magespawn>  home time later all
[15:19] <Kilos> hoi mazal  minetest jy al weer?
[15:25] <mazal> Lo oom , nope , eet aandete en dan skottelgoed was
[15:34] <Kilos> a
[15:41] <mazal> NOU gaan ek minetest :)
[15:59] <Kilos> lol
[16:27] <mazal_> When I find this peer guy I'm gonna pull out his toenails
[16:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:06]  * mazal thinks he must install his backup router tomorrow night
[17:24] <magespawn> good evening
[17:24] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:27] <Kilos> methinks the fly's away goodie broke
[17:29] <mazal> Lo magespawn 
[17:31] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[17:31] <Tonberry> hi
[17:43] <magespawn> so what is up tonight?
[17:46] <Kilos> i dunno 
[17:47] <Kilos> just know i have a midnight meeting on thursday night
[17:47] <Kilos> sigh
[17:47] <Kilos> you guys dropped me in the deep end
[17:55] <inetpro> good evenings
[17:56] <Kilos> ohi inetpro  how are you sir??
[17:56] <inetpro> good good as always
[17:56] <Kilos> i havent seen you for days
[17:57]  * inetpro was here all weekend
[17:57] <Kilos> lurking?
[17:57] <inetpro> just popped in later in the evenings when you popped out already oom Kilos... you got cold?
[17:58] <Kilos> haha well no one was chatting so it was warmer in bed
[17:58] <inetpro> ai!
[17:58] <Kilos> as long as you are good thats fine
[17:58] <Kilos> i was getting worried about you
[18:07] <mazal> Ag now that's utterly dissapointing
[18:07] <mazal> Only one good show on tv left and now it's finished :(
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> what show?
[18:09] <gremble> o/
[18:10] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[18:10] <gremble> How are you Kilos ?
[18:10] <mazal> Lo gremble 
[18:10] <Kilos> good ty and you sir?
[18:10] <mazal> oom Kilos NCIS:LA
[18:10] <mazal> Seems last week was final episode
[18:10] <gremble> Hey mazal
[18:10] <Kilos> oh i enjoyed them too
[18:11] <mazal> Fortunately their big brother NCIS starts a new series next week
[18:24] <smile> yesterday's gone, Kilos 
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> watched the new godzilla last night
[18:26] <smile> Kilos: you did? :o
[18:26] <smile> but last night is gone..
[18:26] <smile> :o
[18:26] <Kilos> they preparing us for aliens
[18:32] <Kilos> smile  what are you on about yesterday and last night for?
[18:32] <smile> Kilos: ? :p
[18:32] <smile> what do you mean
[18:32] <Kilos> why are you worrying about what has passed
[18:34] <smile> Kilos: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/foreigner/thatwasyesterday.html
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> twit
[18:36] <smile> :D
[18:36] <smile> I wish she'd come back tonight
[18:36] <smile> Like a star shining bright
[18:36] <smile> I don't know where she's from
[18:36] <smile> :o
[18:37] <Kilos> you been drinking again?
[18:41] <smile> nope :P I don't drink lol
[18:41] <Kilos> haha
[18:42] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  did you get the kids a heater?
[18:43]  * superfly went with a few extra blankets and hot water bottles
[18:43] <superfly> but the kids seem not feel the cold
[18:44] <Kilos> shoe my hot water bottle popped on me a week ago and none new ones in stores
[18:44] <Kilos> but they are on order they say
[18:44] <superfly> wow. checkers here has a ton
[18:45] <Kilos> this checkers says they are on order
[18:45] <Kilos> hehe murphy lives up here
[18:47] <superfly> fhwdiwdfnm8-4c
[18:48] <superfly> (anneke says hi)
[18:48] <Kilos> rofl
[18:48] <Kilos> hello little one
[18:50] <smile> good night :)
[18:50] <Kilos> night smile  
[18:50] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:50] <smile> thanks! :)
[19:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: yes i got a fan heater with temperature adjustment, set it quite low, but still high enough that you can feel the difference when you walk into the room from the rest of the house
[19:16] <Kilos> great, they work well
[19:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> and turned on the humidifier on a low setting as well so the air doesn't dry out
[19:17] <Kilos> kids must be happy
[19:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i turned it on and left it for 5 mins and when i went back in i could already feel the difference
[19:17] <Kilos> amazing how efficient they are
[19:18] <Kilos> i spose because they kill the cold air low down and as it warms it rises
[19:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't have a problem being cold themselves, but the cold air causes the little one's sinuses some trouble and he breaks out in coughing fits around 1 or 2 in the morning when its particularly cold
[19:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it has been pretty icy lately
[19:18] <Kilos> shame
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> the older one is pretty fine all round though
[19:19] <Kilos> ages?
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> she had a bit of a cold last week but she bounces back quickly
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2.5 and 6
[19:19] <Kilos> aw
[19:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> she's been pretty bulletproof since we had her tonsils removed in late 2012
[19:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> little guy had his done the other day, but he also suffers allergies, so his immune system isn't quite as bulletproof
[19:20] <Kilos> eish allergies are a pain
[19:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah :-/
[19:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> he's learning already. if he's presented with something edible that he doesn't recognise he'll ask us if there are nuts in it
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> its adorable and sad at the same time
[19:23] <Kilos> shame
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyhoo
[19:23] <Kilos> my mom had quite a few allegies and tara has many
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> electric blanket is calling me, enough of this chilliness :-o
[19:23] <Kilos> hope the warmth makes it easier for them
[19:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all :-)
[19:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, holding thumbs
[19:24] <Kilos> night ThatGraemeGuy  sleep tight
[19:24]  * ThatGraemeGuy vanishes
[19:49] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:49] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:54] <gremble> Everyone goes to bed so early
[20:00] <MaNI> seems so
[21:16] <gremble> I thought you are sleeping smile4ever :P
[21:22] <smile4ever> Not yet
[21:22] <smile4ever> :-O
[21:36] <smile4ever> Slaapwel :)
[21:36] <gremble> jy ook
[21:37] <smile4ever> Bedankt :)