[07:20] <ovidiu-florin> hello friends
[07:20] <ovidiu-florin> good morning
[07:24] <soee> hiho
[07:26] <Tm_T> moin
[08:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:33] <clivejo> Riddell: when building in pbuilder, is the environment destroyed after?  
[09:33] <Riddell> clivejo: yes
[09:33] <Riddell> it's why I only use pbuilder for a final check
[09:33] <Riddell> and normally build either on my local system if I think it's close enough to where I want to put the package or in a manual chroot
[09:34] <clivejo> there was a few missing files in the pbuild I run last night
[09:34] <clivejo> took a few hours :/
[09:35] <clivejo> so quilt is used more for host OS changes to CMAKE files
[09:36] <clivejo> ie for debian 
[09:38] <Riddell> any patch we want to apply, maybe we want to put unicorns in the default kword template
[09:38] <Riddell> but in kubuntu at least we have a policy against unicorns (sorry sitter) because they should be applied upstream in KDE
[09:38] <sitter> :O
[09:38] <Riddell> otherwise it becomes impossible to maintain and the quality drops, as you discovered by just trying to update a few patches here
[09:39] <Riddell> so patches are only added when something is really needed in kubuntu and not needed upstream in KDE which is rare, or maybe a fix from upstream KDE we take that isn't in the released tar
[09:39] <Riddell> debian have their own rules of course, and we take from debian so lots of our patches (managed by quilt) are from them
[09:39] <clivejo> can you give an example of a Kubuntu patch applied by us?
[09:40] <Riddell> debian/patches/kubuntu_qtquick-plugin-directory.diff for example
[09:40] <Riddell> in calligra
[09:40] <Riddell> which we need because we use funky multiarch paths to allow i386 and amd64 stuff to be co-installable
[09:41] <sitter> judging from the name it is a patch that shouldn't be there :P
[09:41] <Riddell> so ${CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR} isn't what upstream expects it to be
[09:41] <sitter> description confirms
[09:41] <Riddell> so we change it
[09:41] <Riddell> but as sitter says, maybe there's a better way I didn't think of at the time where it could be fixed upstream for everyone
[09:41] <Riddell> to be fair I did ask boud from calligra when I wrote that and he said it was the right thing to do
[09:42] <sitter> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=phonon.git&a=blob&h=3ec9d2f5b5e8768ea160fb33d7128e863b8edfff&hb=f9a268d386f0dcaece6232bf5c9e4b87ebc37cef&f=CMakeLists.txt#l127
[09:44] <sitter> Riddell: patch becomes obsolete with kf5 port since ECM implements what phonon had 5 years ago in a more generic manner :P
[09:44] <Riddell> :)
[10:09] <clivejo> why is there a policy against unicorns?
[10:18] <Riddell> clivejo: unicorns are fine if upstream adds them, but unicorns added only in kubuntu could become unsustainable, we don't have the stables or vet skills needed
[10:19] <Riddell> and where would we supply all the fairy dust needed from?
[10:19] <Riddell> and if they died because we didn't have enough fairy dust think of the bad publicity
[10:20] <clivejo> discrimation!
[10:21] <clivejo> discrimination :P
[10:21] <sitter> well, we don't accept ponies either
[10:22] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm moving about the qa.kubuntu build status pages, which one are you using?
[10:23] <clivejo>  thei debuild is so long!!
[10:23] <clivejo> really is a winter activity
[10:25] <sitter> search for ccache and icecream/icecc and eatmydata and check debuild's -nc option
[10:25] <sitter> also
[10:25] <sitter> Riddell: didn't I have a hook for pbuilder to drop to terminal?
[10:25] <sitter> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Using_the_Kubuntu_pbuilder_hooks look, I am famous
[10:25] <sitter> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/view/head:/C10shell
[10:26] <sitter> there, most useful hook ever
[10:26] <sitter> someone really needs to rewrite pbuilder on top of lxc
[10:26] <Riddell> lxc? isn't it all docker these days?
[10:27] <sitter> same tech, different frontends
[10:28] <sitter> OTOH docker has a proper ruby api gem, so there's that xD
[11:05]  * seaLne pokes people coming to akademy to register https://akademy.kde.org/2015/register
[11:45] <sebas> seaLne: is BoF registration already open?
[11:49] <seaLne> it will be the same as previous years, not sure if anyone has created the wiki pages yet. biab
[12:23] <sgclark> Riddell: I am not using any status pages yet. No where close to that point yet.
[12:24] <Riddell> :(
[12:24] <sgclark> makes me really come to appreciate our scripts haha
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:51] <soee> oh shutdown fixed in Plasma 5.3.2 :D
[13:51]  * soee happy
[14:55] <clivejo> Riddell: still getting this error - dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritalutdocker.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')   
[14:56] <Riddell> clivejo: ignore that one, it's installed specially in debian/rules
[14:56] <Riddell> because it doesn't exist in arm
[14:59] <Riddell> ah, can't ignore it, it's an shlibs error
[15:00] <Riddell> pastebin  debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritalutdocker.so ?
[15:05] <Riddell> clivejo: looks like libglobal is indeed a new library, just add it to krita.install
[15:05] <Riddell> it's probably in debian/tmp/usr/lib/liblibglobal.so.1234
[15:08] <clivejo> there are 3
[15:08] <clivejo> ./usr/lib/liblibglobal.so.14.0.0, liblibglobal.so, liblibglobal.so.14
[15:09] <clivejo> so just use the so.14 one?
[15:14] <clivejo> I added it to krita.install, but stil getting the error - dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritatooltransform.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[15:14] <clivejo> this is where I got stuck last time
[15:16] <clivejo> ah
[15:17] <clivejo> not-installed must override *.install
[15:22] <clivejo> still complaining about it!
[15:28] <clivejo> Riddell: any ideas?
[15:36] <clivejo> maybe Im putting them in wrong package, should I try calligra-libs instead of krita?
[15:40] <clivejo> the readme me doesnt mention anything about liblibglobal :/
[16:13] <seaLne> sebas: we will be announcing the BoFs shortly
[16:57] <ahoneybun> please please get 5.3.2 out fast as it has a fix for shutting down!
[17:23] <ahoneybun> oohhhh: http://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=kde-vdg-design&image=kde_vdg_muon_lrg
[18:17] <lordievader> That looks quite slick, actually :)
[18:50] <Lumby_> Is it normal for kscreen to not be included in kde-plasma-desktop?
[19:20] <mhall119> ahoneybun: the Ubuntu phone Telegram client uses libqtelegram (https://launchpad.net/libqtelegram) which as far as I know isn't a Telepathy plugin
[19:20] <ahoneybun> there was/is work from a GSOC
[19:20] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ^
[19:21] <ahoneybun> https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/telegram-connection-manager-gsoc-2014-task-overview/
[19:22] <ahoneybun> https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/telegram-connection-manager-the-first-release-is-going-on/
[19:22] <mhall119> thanks ahoneybun, I'll pass that on to the ubuntu client devs, I think they wanted to make it use Telepathy eventually
[19:23] <ahoneybun> cool
[19:29] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you can join #ubuntu-telegram too if you're interested in that client
[19:32] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I've been using Cutegram as it is Qt based and nice
[19:48] <clivejo> does anyone know where the file liblibglobal.so.14 shoud go in calligra?
[19:49] <clivejo> I cant get past this error - dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritatooltransform.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[19:50] <clivejo> Ive tried putting it in krita and calligra-libs
[19:51] <Mamarok> clivejo: at some point, they used to have good build isntructions in the wiki, did you check there?
[19:55] <Mamarok> but such a library should be in /usr/lib/, noramlly, since it is a global one
[19:55] <Mamarok> normally*
[19:56] <clivejo> there are 3 with simular names tmp/usr/lib/liblibglobal.so.14.0.0, liblibglobal.so, liblibglobal.so.14
[19:57] <Mamarok> why tmp/usr/lib/?
[19:57] <clivejo> but the error message seems to suggesst it needs the liblibglobal.so.14 file, so I added it to the krita.install
[19:58] <clivejo> thats where the build puts them?
[19:58] <clivejo> debian/tmp?
[19:58] <Mamarok> I would assume those all belong to /usr/lib/, and isn't that all the same file?
[19:58] <clivejo> no, there are 3 separate files
[19:58] <Mamarok> weird
[19:59] <Mamarok> how about asking in #calligra?
[19:59] <clivejo> I have just done that
[20:00] <clivejo> how do I verify that the file is actually being installed into krita.deb?
[20:00] <clivejo> is adding it to krita.install enough, or is there somewhere else?
[20:02] <clivejo> in rpm pacakges it seems to be installed into calligra-krita-libs-2.9.5-1.fc23
[20:02] <clivejo> but debian dont seem to have that package
[20:04] <clivejo> also that file doesnt seem to be mentioned in the README.PACKAGER file either :/
[20:30] <clivejo> Mamarok: if I change a *.install file to include a new file in the package, do I have to do a clean debuild?
[20:31] <Riddell> clivejo: no run Dh_install
[20:31] <clivejo> does debuild -nc not do that?
[20:34] <ahoneybun> damn ovidiu-florin
[20:35] <clivejo> regarding the User map, could I suggest you use OSM?
[20:37] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: if someone will do it, they are free to do so
[20:37] <ovidiu-florin> currently it's abandoned
[20:40] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: seems we can edit files on github
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: yes we can
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> but please don't 
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> let's just edit on the test site
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> so we can confirm our edits
[20:41] <ahoneybun> d.k.org?
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[20:41] <ahoneybun> docs.kubuntu.org
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> I wasn't talking about that
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> so, here it goes:
[20:41] <ahoneybun> k
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> Current site: http://www.kubuntu.org/ Test site  (only for development of the site): http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ New site (ready to go in production?):  https://www-new.kubuntu.org/
[20:45] <ahoneybun> once we/you get a theme up for the d.k.org domain, I'll move over everything there
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> let's launch the site first, and then work on that. ahoneybun do you agree?
[20:46] <ahoneybun> of course
[20:46] <ahoneybun> let's get your baby out the door first
[20:50] <clivejo> ok liblibglobal.so.14 is a sym link to liblibglobal.so.14.0.0
[20:50] <clivejo> what on earth is that in aid of?
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed 
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> I would very much like to be part of the Team, if that would be possible
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: nite nite see you tomorrow
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: the website team?
[20:59] <sick_rimmit> No, sorry I saw your emails on that, thank you
[20:59] <sick_rimmit> No I meant on the Kubuntu Team page
[20:59] <ovidiu-florin> aaaa, I have nothing against it
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> HUMANS: you on board with this ^
[21:00]  * ovidiu-florin ZZZZZzzzz.....
[21:01]  * clivejo nods
[21:03]  * clivejo needs a cold shower
[21:54] <valorie> everybody who helps out here should be on the team page
[23:16] <clivejo> has Nxt Stage 2 been disabled?
[23:18] <clivejo> humm seems so
[23:30] <sgclark> valorie: It is not suppose to be this HOT up here!!!
[23:30] <valorie> indeed
[23:30] <valorie> although I was able to work outside for 15-20 mins
[23:30] <valorie> but sheesh
[23:31] <valorie> and it is predicted to go on......
[23:31] <sgclark> yeah been out in it, yucky :(
[23:31] <valorie> poor people, poor plants, poor forests!
[23:31] <sgclark> yeah, no relief in sight is the weather report, ugh
[23:31] <sgclark> I know, my poor flowers are crying
[23:31] <valorie> I get to go up to the cabin this weekend where it's nice and cool
[23:31] <valorie> at least in the cabin
[23:32] <sgclark> oh nice!
[23:32] <clivejo> how do I make a comment on Trello?
[23:32] <valorie> yes, watering the flowers and other plants that need it take like an hour
[23:32] <valorie> clivejo: do you have an account?
[23:32] <clivejo> just signed up
[23:32] <valorie> ok
[23:33] <sgclark> clivejo: Riddell will have to invite you to board
[23:33] <clivejo> Im interested in this card - https://trello.com/c/1KfVhhjf/2-kubuntu-users-map
[23:33] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Ideas :: Kubuntu Users Map ++ SI]
[23:33] <valorie> I might have admin powerz, checking
[23:33] <clivejo> and to use OpenStreetMap instead of GoogleMaps
[23:34] <valorie> clivejo: did you join the kubuntu group?
[23:34] <valorie> I don't see you on the list of members
[23:35] <valorie> sgclark: do you have good a/c in your place?
[23:35] <valorie> mine is a life-saver
[23:35] <valorie> my next-door neighbor opted not to get a heat pump, and they are so regretting it this summer
[23:36] <clivejo> silly question, but how do a join a board!?!
[23:36] <valorie> oh, it's called subscribe
[23:36] <valorie> there is a menu button up on the right top
[23:38] <clivejo> I must be blind
[23:38] <clivejo> cant see subscribe or join board anywhere
[23:38] <clivejo> Ive starred the board
[23:39] <valorie> can you give me a screenie of what you are seeing?
[23:40] <sgclark> valorie: yes, funny enough we decided to get a full A/C unit this year, best decision we ever made lol
[23:41] <valorie> sure, but that just puts it in your most view stuff, clivejo
[23:41] <valorie> sgclark: oh, good
[23:41] <clivejo> http://s8.postimg.org/91bmj0qph/trello.jpg
[23:41] <valorie> not as good as cooler weather, but at least you live though a heat wave
[23:42] <valorie> clivejo: see the menu button on the top-right?
[23:42] <valorie> click that and a menu will come down
[23:42] <clivejo> yup
[23:42] <clivejo> but no subscribe in there
[23:42] <valorie> :(
[23:42] <valorie> no join or ?
[23:44] <clivejo> Profile, Cards, Settings, Help, Apps, Shortcuts, Share Trello, Getting started guide,trello blog, change language, log out
[23:44] <valorie> pfff
[23:44] <valorie> well, perhaps Riddell has to invite you
[23:44] <valorie> I don't see a way to do that
[23:44] <valorie> as sgclark says
[23:46] <clivejo> must have to be added
[23:48] <valorie> oh gosh, already time to make dinner
[23:48] <clivejo> valorie: are you on wily?
[23:48] <valorie> not yet
[23:49] <valorie> I'm thinking about trying to upgrade the other laptop, but since networking is dead on it, sort of hard to do that
[23:49] <valorie> for now I'm stuck on this old slow one
[23:49] <clivejo> how did it die?
[23:50] <valorie> seems like the card itself flickered for awhile like a guttering candle
[23:50] <valorie> then died altogether
[23:50] <valorie> I tried a USB wireless thing but nothing
[23:50] <clivejo> is the card being recognised?
[23:54] <clivejo> BluesKaj: will you be around in a free hours?
[23:54] <clivejo> few
[23:57] <ahoneybun> clivejo: do you have a trello account?
[23:58] <clivejo> ahoneybun: yes, just created one