=== thumper is now known as thumper-afk === thumper-afk is now known as thumper === duflu_ is now known as duflu === thumper is now known as thumper-afk === _thumper_ is now known as thumper === duflu_ is now known as duflu [07:12] good morning desktopers [07:21] anyone know what /usr/lib/icon-naming-utils/icon-name-mapping is from? [07:21] or even what it is supposed to do? [07:23] wow. this is old. [07:24] larsu, dpkg -S tell you "what ... is from" [07:24] seb128: it wasn't installed [07:24] icon-naming-utils [07:24] it is now? [07:24] k [07:24] it is used in the rules file of humanity [07:24] larsu, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ replies to that question [07:24] but has no dep... [07:25] larsu, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=icon-name-mapping&mode=exactfilename&suite=trusty&arch=any [07:25] ah cool [07:27] larsu, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/view/head:/debian/control [07:27] larsu, it does build-depends on icon-naming-utils [07:27] ? [07:27] seb128: s/control/rules. I should learn to speak debian more fluently :P [07:27] ? [07:28] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/view/head:/debian/rules [07:28] right [07:28] but depends/build-depends are in control [07:28] not rules [07:28] seb128: I always get those two files mixed up [07:28] ah, I see [07:29] seb128: icon-name-mapping is used in rules, but there's no dep on icon-naming-utils [07:29] larsu, there is a buil-depends [07:29] depends are runtime things [07:29] buil-depends are build-time ones [07:30] rules is package build = build-time = build-depends [07:30] oh right, thanks seb128 [07:30] yw! [07:30] I was looking in proper depends because I thought dh_install is called then [07:31] but thinking about that, it doesn't make a lot of sense :) [07:31] * larsu still thinks that call is not necessary [07:37] larsu, we can drop it if not needed [07:38] finding that out right now [07:39] bonjour mes amis ! [07:39] * pitti waves to larsu and seb128 [07:39] hey pitti! ça va bien ? [07:39] ah bonjour pitti! [07:40] seb128: oui, je vais bien, merci ! j'aime l'été ! [07:41] j'ai vu "Spamalot" à Munich samedi, c'était drôle ! [07:41] ah, ça me rappelle des souvenirs :-) [07:42] seb128: oui, nous avons le vu à Londrès, il y a quelques ans [07:42] voilà [07:42] avec tous l'équpipe de platform [07:42] pitti, moi aussi j'aime l'été mais pas quand il est trop chaud, ils ont prévu > 30°C aujourd'hui, c'est trop pour travailler [07:43] seb128: ah, il fait encore bien dans ma chambre [07:43] ici aussi ça va le matin, mais il fait trop chaud l'après-midi [07:43] * seb128 bets that larsu wishes that he had took french classes instead of spanish ones :p [07:44] * larsu understands most of that [07:46] seb128: I usually close the windows around 10 when it's getting warm, and put down the shades on the south side, that helps quite a lot [07:47] yeah, trying to do the same ;-) [07:48] pitti, btw do you take summer holidays? [07:48] hm, humanity seems to be the only icon theme that has / directories instead of / [07:50] seb128: oui, 3ème semaine de julliet; nous allons vélo à la riviére "Lech" [07:50] larsu, is that what is creating the issue? or are you trying to make it more standard now? [07:50] seb128: nous encore avons des vacances en mars, alors nous pouvons prendre seulment une semaine cet été [07:51] seb128: "avons eu" (non?) [07:51] pitti, "avons eu" oui [07:51] une semaine n'est pas enough! [07:51] pitti, amusez vous bien quand même pendant cette semaine :-) [07:51] larsu: mais oui, ça suffit pour moi [07:52] seb128: it's not causing the issue, no. It just makes it harder to rearrange stuff [07:52] maybe I should just continue hacking index.theme [07:52] *sigh* [07:53] yeah, we don't have major issues, if another hack is enough to get us going let's do that [07:54] seb128: I'm afraid it pop up again some time ... but then, changing a lot of stuff might also break things [07:55] yeah, let's see next time it bites us [07:55] we might have the convergence/new theme by then [07:55] hah [07:55] we didn't have issues with humanity for years [07:56] until GTK decided to do non backward compatible changes, which hopefully doesn't happen every cycle... [07:57] there's a spec for a reason - gtk is simply following it now [07:59] I object, it's still breaking backward compat but let's agree to disagree on that [08:00] it is, I agree, and it's frustrating [08:00] every backward incompatible change is removing credibility to the platform [08:01] the appdevs hate having their apps start to bug when they didn't change anything [08:01] humanity isn't the only icon theme out there, though [08:01] probably this change was made for some other theme that did things according to spec [08:03] yoooooooo [08:03] yo Laney [08:03] sup? [08:04] it is hot! [08:04] * Laney has been out watering the plants [08:04] how's it going? [08:04] sitting in a cafe enjoying the sun [08:04] hey Laney [08:04] and not enjoying reading icon theme spec [08:04] hrhr [08:14] what's the reason for having a separate package for humanity icons but not for mono/mobile/suru? [08:14] larsu, license/copyright owners [08:14] humanity is a community theme [08:15] the other ones are Canonical work [08:15] interesting [08:15] thanks [08:15] yw [08:17] sweetmorn everyone! [08:17] hey Sweet5hark1, wie gehts? [08:18] hi Sweet5hark1 [08:18] * Sweet5hark1 has #achievementunlocked: finally seemed to have untrained myself from typing apt-get instead of just plain apt ... [08:18] pitti, larsu: heya, finally great weather here in the north too ;) [08:20] apt build-dep # nooooo! [08:20] hey Sweet5hark1 [08:21] Laney: hrhr [08:55] * Laney eyes udev postinst [08:56] oh, there [08:56] it took ~60s (both in lxc and on bare metal) [08:57] ah, "systemd-udevd.service: Watchdog timeout (limit 1min)!" [09:03] hey seb128 Laney, any thoughts on what to do with the schemas that moved from g-s-d into gsettings-desktop-schemas? reverting them will break the migration code for GNOME. port u-s-d to use the new ones? Not entirely sure its an exactly 1:1 mapping though [09:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1468943/comments/1 [09:04] Launchpad bug 1468943 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.16" [Wishlist,Triaged] [09:04] not really sorry [09:04] bah. gsettings schemas are API :/ [09:06] larsu, mutter uses them directly for wayland/libinput I think [09:06] darkxst: can we cherry-pick the new stuff into usd/ucc? [09:07] darkxst: my point was that settings keys shouldn't be moved in minor releases [09:07] larsu, this is 3.14->3.16 [09:07] g-s-d has not been updated yet [09:08] which is a minor release.... [09:08] Laney, probably not directly, the new stuff is accomadation the changes in mutter, that now handles input settings [09:08] then you could move them to a com.ubuntu name and do a migration in usd [09:08] if you want [09:09] larsu, keys get added every cycles [09:09] having key addes is fine [09:09] having them removed/moved/renamed is not [09:10] ya... [09:11] they were only added in gsettings === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:11] and if it wasnt for the migration code, code just revert them back as usual in g-s-d [11:14] Laney: why did you mark the ca-certificates bug as invalid? [11:16] mdeslaur: I filed it twice due to a timeout, that's not the one you were assigned to [11:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+bug/1469803 [11:17] Launchpad bug 1469803 in ca-certificates (Ubuntu) "Connecting to some sites via glib-networking is broken due to removed certificates" [Undecided,New] [11:17] oh! I see [11:17] thanks [11:17] np! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:03] * seb128 indicates bug #1453549 to Laney [12:03] bug 1453549 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Cannot publish to Facebook" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453549 [12:03] ya [12:04] are you referring to my comment on the wk2 bug? [12:04] yes [12:04] okey dokey [12:04] yorba needs to update their facebook key/settings [12:04] but they seem to be mia on shotwell [12:05] like that topic got emails on the upstream list and several active bzg bugs [12:05] but nobody is responding [12:06] annoying [12:06] indeed [12:06] if there is a fix in their thing on facebook there's not a lot we can do [12:07] right [12:07] lemme make a note to check on it in a couple of weeks [12:07] can maybe pull some strings to get someone active on it [12:08] I'm checking weekly, but if you have people you can ping please do that ;-) [12:08] not really, probably larsu does more [12:13] right I'm doing a lunchtime sun ride to the cafe then going to find a park/library to work in [12:13] biab! [12:15] Laney, enjoy! [12:46] tedg: was just asked about libappindicator reviews. Who's maintaining that these days? [12:46] * larsu hopes it's not larsu === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:12] tedg: I would like to get reviews on two libappindicator MPs by albertsmuktupavels [13:12] While I have rights to merge/upload it myself, it would be nice to get it reviewed by someone else [13:19] tedg: corrected: two by albertsmuktupavels and one by /me :) [13:28] ah! [13:28] * Laney has found a shady place [13:39] mitya57, Let me look [13:47] spiky tree is spiky [13:47] stupid nature [13:48] Laney: this is why we make chairs out of them before sitting on them :P [13:51] Laney: In my co-working group, in the park a few weeks ago, Nature waited until we were complacent and busy and then deployed the swarm of caterpillars. It was super effective. Beware. [13:51] I am using my powers of reasoning to fashion a pillow out of a jumper [13:51] Ah crap. Blowtorch? [13:52] Retreat and showers. [14:04] Laney: i made a new patch that incorporates most of the gtk+3.16 changes [14:05] but not the ones related to a gl context.. [14:05] do you know a good way to test that package on a wily system? [14:05] hi anpok_ [14:05] hi [14:05] patch for what? [14:05] gtk 3.14? [14:05] gtk+3.14 [14:05] yes [14:06] just install it and downgrade your gtk, taking out any apps that require the new one [14:06] "just" [14:06] mir hackers are hardcore folk === pat_ is now known as Guest96981 [14:08] or fix mir to work in VMs :) :) :) [14:08] * Laney runs [14:08] Laney, it does work in vm [14:08] * seb128 has unity8 session working on ubuntu personal with virt-manager [14:08] then try it in a vm? [14:08] http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/setup_kvm_for_mir.html [14:09] trying what? [14:09] I lack context [14:09] I don't know why you would ask about running it on wily otherwise [14:09] mir backend update for 3.14 [14:09] did we mix versions there? [14:10] anpok_, did you mean trunk to 3.16? [14:10] that is already done [14:10] it i s for the overlay ppa [14:10] why not for distro? [14:11] are they SRUing the new mir? [14:11] ok, I'm confused [14:11] if we speak trunk to 3.16 it's not SRU but wily? [14:11] API break in overlay ppa [14:11] -> need to update gtk [14:11] ah ok [14:12] same for wily but that is done already and for a different gtk series [14:12] that's the context I was missing ;-) [14:12] k [14:12] anpok_: why not use a VM? [14:12] I'm still interested to see a gtk-mir backend update in wily [14:12] Laney, vm for what? [14:12] https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-004/+packages [14:12] your dreams have come true [14:12] for testing the overlay ppa update... [14:12] Laney, vivid-overlay is the base for our current devices and the pocket pc work [14:13] so I guess we need to update gtk with mir there [14:13] or the gtk-mir backend [14:13] I know... [14:13] I'm saying why not use a VM to check it works [14:13] instead of downgrading a wily system [14:13] ah, I see [14:14] Laney, thanks for the gtk update in that ppa ;-) [14:14] attente did it really [14:14] but thanks for the thanks :P [14:14] :-) [14:14] * Laney screams at deleting double spaces all the time [14:15] is that issue specific to your xps? could be an hardware issue? [14:15] I didn't see others complain about that [14:15] it's bios [14:15] but maybe not many people got the newest revision [14:15] Laney: sure .. vm it will be.. [14:15] check the thread i linked to in that mail [14:16] http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/t/19626873?pi239031352=4 [14:16] * Laney has emailed superm1, waiting to hear back again [14:42] I prepared my meeting notes a whole hour early by mistake! [14:55] Laney, it's the sun getting to you! [14:57] hehe [15:15] Trevinho, hey, you typoed a "t" at the start of the modline on https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity-settings-daemon/automount-monitor-lockscreen/+merge/259514 , can you fix? [15:15] ouch, sure [15:15] thanks [15:16] seb128: done, overwritten though [15:16] Trevinho, that's ok, thanks [15:30] *cough* *cough* [15:30] oh it's meeting time [15:31] ohhhh [15:31] attente, desrt(?), dgadomski, FJKong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, qengho, Sweet5hark, tkamppeter, hey [15:31] #startmeeting [15:31] Meeting started Tue Jun 30 15:31:36 2015 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:32] o/ [15:33] ok, let's get started [15:33] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: attente [15:33] attente, hey [15:33] hi [15:33] YAY [15:34] revisions to apparmor kernel patch for dconf again, waiting for review [15:34] merge the gtk-mir wip branch into upstream master and backport those patches to the ubuntu gtk package [15:34] debugging a weird issue where the backend is sending mouse release events immediately after mouse press events, only affects our package [15:34] (eof) [15:35] thanks for updating our gtk versions/backporting the fixes from trunk! [15:36] np! but this mouse event bug is pretty bad... [15:36] yeah, I guess it's next to debug? [15:36] yeah. it's basically making it impossible to click anything other than the menus [15:37] right [15:37] attente, thanks [15:37] I guess no desrt (I think he said he was off monday/tuesday) [15:37] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski [15:37] dgadomski, hey [15:37] hey [15:37] There were no desktop issues reported to me lately, so this week I was busy with non-desktop stuff. [15:38] That's it, thanks. [15:38] dgadomski, thanks [15:38] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: FJKong [15:38] we fixed all the bugs \m/ [15:38] FJKong, hey [15:38] hi [15:38] 1 continue working on fixing lacking status bar image [15:38] 2 add input tip to sogou Shuang Pin Im [15:38] 3 get feek back from community: sometimes input window shows abnormal [15:38] 4 one day holiday [15:38] eof [15:39] FJKong, thanks [15:39] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: happyaron [15:39] happyaron, hey [15:40] no happyaron? [15:40] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Laney [15:40] Laney, hey [15:41] hi [15:41] • Worked more on e-d-s and gstreamer transitions, these are both (still?) blocked on Canonical people helping me out :) [15:41] ∘ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1469208 [15:41] Launchpad bug 1469208 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Recurrence test fails with e-d-s 3.16" [Undecided,New] [15:41] ∘ email with jhodapp about updating gst-bad, says he will get it scheduled [15:41] • Start looking at webkitgtk2 transition for main [15:41] ∘ Ported shotwell [15:41] ∘ Ported apturl (simple) [15:41] ∘ Look at evolution (argh) [15:41] ∘ Some other apps have WIP ports upstream [15:41] • Update glib2.0 (in progress, gio/tests/appmonitor fails, desrtttttt) [15:41] • Check/upload gtk3.16 mir backend refresh [15:41] • Work with seb128 to get poppler/wps/proj migrated & do some final updates [15:41] • Fix chromium autopkgtest & sikuli to get this migrated and unblock glib -> gtk which were waiting on it [15:41] ☄ [15:42] actually I take it all back [15:42] 4e7d22e268a4e06beb1c09585a48288c31004da5 is the first bad commit [15:42] commit 4e7d22e268a4e06beb1c09585a48288c31004da5 [15:42] Author: Matthias Clasen [15:43] Thanks laney! [15:43] Laney, thanks [15:43] That sikuli thing is bothering me. There has to be a way to detect the require jar files at package time, instead of keeping them in a script. [15:43] unsure what the commits are about [15:43] It will break again. [15:44] the one that broke glib's test [15:44] oh, the failed appmonitor test [15:44] k [15:44] :-) [15:44] Laney, thanks [15:44] #topic larsu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: larsu [15:44] ey that's me [15:44] larsu, hey [15:44] had a very short week due to two days off [15:45] worked on those 1000 little theming and icon bugs that people pinged me with in the last couple of weeks [15:45] expect big MRs this week (maybe I should separate them a bit?) [15:45] yeah, regular landing of small bits seems better than batching a big stack [15:46] lots of very small bits though [15:46] but I agree [15:46] will do that [15:46] otherwise the usual: Bugs. [15:46] [15:46] larsu, thanks [15:46] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: qengho [15:46] qengho, hey [15:47] * Commercial PES/OEM support. [15:47] * Getting chromium-browser widevine plugin supported if installed manually or Google Chrome installed. [15:47] * Reviewed NaCl patches for contributor. Might get that working, and packaged before 15.10! [15:47] * Un-blacklisting all GPU in chromium, but setting the preference to default to Off. Might need to get apport pattern if errors.u.c spikes again. [15:47] * chromium-browser release tomorrow, with ^fixes. [15:47] EOF [15:48] qengho, at the meeting a week ago you said "I'll ask you to sponsor today." about the new version, what happened to that? [15:49] Laney fixed the test problem, and commercial folks wanted widevine support included. [15:50] he did fixed it some days after since you didn't give news about your upload and didn't respond to ping [15:50] oh, well [15:50] qengho, thanks [15:50] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: seb128 [15:50] ok, my turn ;-) [15:50] • snappy fun still ongoing [15:50] ∘ debugging unity8/mir not starting, after 2 days trying to figure out what's going between lightdm/usc/unity8 (and trying to get help from people knowing those component better) figured out that usc is waiting on vt8 and that lightdm doesn't do the switch, when doing it manually unity8 starts! [15:50] ∘ noticed then that unity8 regressed in wily and that the desktop session shows the phone greeter now, tracked down the issue to a recent landing and reported bug/pinged unity team [15:50] ∘ updated livecd-rootfs to write a /e/d/locales config on desktop-next [15:50] • reviewed some u-s-s and u-s-d merge requests [15:50] • some NEW reviews & archive admin commands for Laney [15:50] [15:50] mostly still trying to get snappy personal working, but getting there [15:50] #topic Sweet5hark1 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Sweet5hark1 [15:50] my favourite script runner [15:50] Sweet5hark1, hey [15:51] - bumped prereleases ppa from 5.0~rc1 to ~rc2 [15:51] - merged from Debian (ongoing) [15:51] - discussed/provided support for LibreOfficeKit on Ubuntu touch [15:51] - some upstream refactoring/test adding (finally blogged on that: https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/i-would-kill-500-lines-and-i-would-kill-500-more/ ) [15:51] - bumped LibreOffice fresh ppa to 4.4.4 (rc2 and rc3, which is final) [15:51] - some LTS patch backporting [15:51] - some GSOC mentoring [15:51] - usual foundation and ESC tasks: some conf orga, major release prep, grants and budgeting [15:51] - most importantly: made the LibreOffice build system default to colored output on an interactive shell *cough* [15:51] EOF [15:51] Sweet5hark1, thanks [15:51] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: tkamppeter [15:51] tkamppeter, hey [15:51] - Made ippusbxd (IPP-over-USB daemon) getting started and keep running in systemd environment. [15:51] - Worked on finding out how to reliably stop ippusbxd when the printer is turned off or disconnected. [15:51] - Added functionality to try always to use the same port for ippusbxd and change only if the desired port is already taken by something else. [15:51] - Bugs. [15:51] tkamppeter, thanks [15:51] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: robert_ancell [15:51] - Updated version tracker to current wily package versions. [15:51] - Made a GNOME version page (http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/gnome.html). This makes it easier to see a similar / simpler set of packages to update (the other lists have too many packages). [15:51] - Open bugs for all GNOME packages we have yet to update to 3.16 (particularly so we can note why we haven't updated them in the case of difficult transitions) [15:51] - Updated various wily packages to latest stable versions. [15:52] tkamppeter: stop stuff when printer is turned off> udev rules? [15:52] #topic other topics === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: other topics [15:52] did I forget anyone? do we have other topics? [15:52] help welcome on wk2 ;-) [15:53] not sure we will get there this cycle [15:53] is debian doing that transition as well? [15:53] do we have any insensitive to go ahead with that now? [15:53] not actively [15:53] the old version doesn't get updates any more [15:53] I would rather postpone the work if it's not really needed [15:54] not even the webkit level of security support [15:54] staying on an ancient version forever doesn't seem great [15:54] yeah, I'm not saying forever, but we could let others do the heavy lifting by postponing by one cycle [15:55] well, if we have the spare resources to do it and people want to work on it I'm not against it either [15:55] ya I was doing stuff which nobody started on [15:56] k [15:56] if anybody feels like helping on that please do ;-) [15:56] and I think I will not do evolution, that looks hadrd [15:56] anything else? [15:56] -> probably not make 15.10 [15:56] it means transition in a lts cycle though :-/ [15:57] ya [15:57] k, I guess we can wrap the meeting [15:57] thanks everyone [15:58] thanks! [15:58] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Breaking your systems: GTK 3.16 - file bugs with tag "gtk316" [15:58] Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 15:58:11 2015 UTC. [15:58] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-06-30-15.31.moin.txt [15:58] thanks [15:58] * Laney fixed the test [16:03] does anyone know how to upload a refresh from lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily to the archive? [16:03] I'm having issues building that and need to go for some erands before shop closed [16:03]