[05:23] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  the Ubuntu Connecetivity API docs come from the  connectivity-doc package what lives in the connectivity-api source https://launchpad.net/connectivity-api
[05:24] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  the main Qt Connectivity doc package is qtconnectivity5-doc and it comes from the  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtconnectivity-opensource-src source
[06:24] <reepca> any suggestions for a phone to buy with ubuntu touch compatibility in the states?
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <sreejithp> am trying to setup static ip on ubuntu touch but the ip configurations are not accepting
[07:13] <sreejithp> can some one help
[08:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Meteor Watch Day! 😃
[08:25] <nhaines> reepca: The only one, if you can find it, is the Nexus 4.  Unless you're a developer, I recommend waiting for a retail unit to become available.
[09:46] <brobostigon> http://forums.getpebble.com/discussion/26886/ubuntu-touch-support-of-pebble-time    there we go, there is demand for it.
[10:07] <popey> brobostigon: :)
[10:07] <brobostigon> need sorting then doesnt it, :)
[10:07] <popey> Yes! :)
[10:07] <brobostigon> :)
[10:34] <brobostigon> a good start would be a port of icu and libpebble, as those already exist on desktop ubuntu to support the pebble.
[11:05] <popey> brobostigon: looks like libpebble hasn't been touched for 2 years
[11:06] <brobostigon> popey: yes, but its a place to start from, as it contains the functions to interface with the pebble fw.
[11:06] <popey> true
[11:07] <brobostigon> there is also an app for sailfish to interface with the pebble, i dont know if they have released the code for that, but that get regular updates as far as i can see.
[11:09] <popey> yeah, it's on github
[11:09] <tathhu> https://github.com/smokku/pebble
[11:09] <popey> https://github.com/smokku/pebble
[11:09] <popey> hah, beat me
[11:09] <tathhu> :P
[11:09] <brobostigon> :)
[11:10] <brobostigon> other issue will be, differences between fw 2.9 and 3.0 on og-pebble and pebble time.
[11:15] <popey> brobostigon: have you used libpebble?
[11:15] <brobostigon> popey: i tried it a couple of years ago now, when i first got my pebble, but havent touched it since.
[11:16] <popey> ok, you use your pebble with android?
[11:16] <popey> still use your pebble at all?
[11:16] <julienrbt> Pebble user here :)
[11:16] <julienrbt> It is possible to use with Ubuntu Touch? O.o
[11:16] <popey> not yet
[11:16] <popey> \o/ lunchtime
[11:17] <brobostigon> popey: yes, on android,
[11:18] <brobostigon> jrbt: we are trying to work out how to make it possible to.
[11:19] <jrbt> Cool :) That the only things with I keep Android on my Nexus :D
[11:20] <brobostigon> a start, is open code for it, like libpebble and the pebble app for sailfish.
[11:23] <jrbt> s/with/why
[11:25] <jrbt> it is hard to port?
[11:25] <brobostigon> jrbt: because we need to implement the functions to interface with the pebble fw, and then implement the functions in ubuntu touch's notification etc, to push to the pebble using those functions.
[11:27] <jrbt> Ok.
[11:27] <jrbt> But good and cool to know! :)
[11:28] <jrbt> Thanks for your works!
[11:28] <brobostigon> :)
[11:33] <rvr> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1470083
[11:33] <mzanetti> rvr, hi :)
[11:33] <rvr> mzanetti: Hi :)
[11:34] <mzanetti> rvr, duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1465541 ?
[11:34] <rvr> mzanetti: Nope
[11:34] <rvr> mzanetti: Full screen, but wrong "angle"
[11:34] <mzanetti> mhm...
[11:35] <WebDrake> Hello all, would anyone be up for answering a question regarding OTA upgrades?  I'm not sure if this is the right channel for support questions, so apologies if I'm in the wrong place
[11:35] <mzanetti> rvr, seems still something for Kaleo, right?
[11:36] <rvr> mzanetti: Is Kaleo the current camera-app maintainer?
[11:36] <mzanetti> afaik, yes
[11:36] <rvr> Ack
[11:36] <rvr> Kaleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1465541 :)
[11:37] <ogra_> WebDrake, it is a perfectly fine channel for this :)
[11:37] <WebDrake> ogra_: thanks! :-)  Question is about confirming that all went OK with update
[11:38] <Kaleo> rvr, fix is landing now
[11:38] <ogra_> just check in system settings,, yu should set all the version info etc there
[11:38] <Kaleo> rvr, been reported a few times already :)
[11:38] <ogra_> s/set/see/
[11:38] <rvr> Kaleo: Ah, I didn't see any critical bug
[11:39] <Kaleo> rvr, yeah they might not have been tagged critical
[11:39] <Kaleo> rvr, but clearly it is
[11:39] <rvr> Kaleo: Good to know fix is coming, thanks
[11:39] <WebDrake> With the last OTA update, I didn't read the release notes properly about the amount of time it would take to finalize the upgrade, and so I wound up hitting power keys when it seemed like nothing was happening for ages -- as far as I can tell, the update just proceeded on its merry way, but I thought it might be a good idea to check if there was a way to verify that all parts of the update (e.g. all AppArmor profiles etc.) real
[11:40] <ogra_> WebDrake, if you are unsure, just do another reboot ... apparmor makes usually sure that it re-generates the profiles before finishing the boot
[11:40] <ogra_> even if you interrupted it
[11:41] <WebDrake> ogra_: Then I figure I'm probably fine, because I've shutdown/restarted many times since then, & the phone "About" info records the OS as 15.04 (r23)
[11:42] <ogra_> yeah, that sounds all fine then
[11:42] <WebDrake> Great, thanks!
[11:43] <WebDrake> And collective thanks to all involved in the phone development, this is really fun to use :-)
[11:43] <melon> Hi! I've been lookinga round for a bit but can't seem to fond something definitive. Does the new MX4 support (or will support within a small timeframe) wifi tethering. I use it almost all day as of right now.
[11:43] <ogra_> WebDrake, great that you like it :)
[11:48] <melon> Ok, I take that as "nobody knows". Is there some kind of list of features or comprehensive change log collection I can look through to see if wifi hotspots are mentioned anywhere?
[11:48] <ogra_> melon, the basics have been implemented by rsalveti and kenvandine a while ago (not sure it landed anywhere yet though) ... the Ui bits will surely still take a while though
[11:49] <ogra_> wired tethering via USB definitely works as an interim solution
[11:50] <melon> I'm quite decent with low level linux stuff, as far as the system goes. I've never written any code myself though. Do you mean as in "it works but you have to use the terminal" or "it works, but you might break you installation" or "the code is sort of there but not complete"?
[11:51] <ogra_> either of the latter two ... (not sure which one, i dont know if everything landed yet)
[11:52] <melon> Allright, thanks! Any idea where I could find further info?
[11:52] <ogra_> try asking on the mailing list (or wait til kenvandine is around, he might be able to answer)
[11:54] <melon> Thanks!
[11:54] <nhaines> melon: five minutes isn't really enough time to get a response from IRC.  :)
[11:55] <nhaines> It's pretty likely that the following will work for the MX4 as well.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/616245/tether-ubuntu-bq-phone
[11:55] <nhaines> And of course, in due time it'll find its way into the network settings as a fully supported feature.  :)
[11:56] <ogra_> nhaines, melon was asking about wifi AP :)
[11:56] <ogra_> but yeah, USB tethering is definitely a fallback
[11:58] <melon> Allright thanks! Yeah. Thing is I have this tablet I bring with me everywhere. It only has Wifi so I kind of need a hotspot.
[11:58] <melon> But I mean apart from that I'm hyped out the roof over the new phone
[11:59] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, would be really nice to land that now
[12:00] <rsalveti> wonder if there were any UI design changes
[12:00] <rsalveti> maybe bfiller knows better (wifi hotspot)
[12:01] <ogra_> i just know that ken said the silo wasnt ready when we talked about it ... but that was weeks ago
[12:02] <melon> I saw wifi hotspot mentioned in some update notes the other day. But that's the only place I've seen it. (That and in the source code). On the forums the story goes prety much like here. USB works.
[12:03] <nhaines> ogra_: oh, I always think of celluar tethering as kind of one thing.
[12:03]  * nhaines waves hand vaguely.
[12:03] <ogra_> :)
[12:04] <nhaines> But yes, my Nexus 7 is wifi only, so whether I'm dualbooting or not, if I'm using it away from home my phone needs to be in Android, not Ubuntu.  For now.  :)
[12:06] <melon> Man now I have this nasty situation. I need a new phone soon. Either I get the latest Nexus or I get the new MX4 with ubuntu. I want the MX4 but I don't really feel like buying it and hoping it gets implemented soon, they will only be on sale for one month.
[12:06] <melon> I'll wait for kenvandine and see
[12:07] <Elleo> melon: I think jgdx has been doing a lot of work on that, he might be able to give a good idea as to the current state of it
[12:29] <jgdx> melon, Hi, we currently need to find a way to keep the phone alive as long as the hotspot is active. This is in a discussion phase at the moment.
[12:30] <melon> Oh allright
[12:30] <jgdx> awake rather
[12:31] <melon> So I take it you have gotten it to actually share network for some time, and now you need a good implementation. So it most likely is coming, at leat?
[12:31] <jgdx> melon, correct. If you're savvy and want to try the current implementation, here's a script you can run http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+junk/touch-hotspot/view/head:/hotspot.py
[12:33] <melon> Allright. Well, I can deal with some waiting. Got my old phone if I really nead AP NOW! So in that case I might actually get the MX4 today. Just out of curiosity, are we talking months, weeks or days until it's in?
[12:33] <melon> Thanks for the script. I'll definitely check it out.
[12:37] <jgdx> melon, I don't really know, but when the discussion ends and a solution is chosen, we can fast track this I am sure. So weeks?
[12:37] <Elleo> jgdx: can't you ask for a wakelock like media-hub does?
[12:39] <jgdx> Elleo, yeah but from where?
[12:39] <jgdx> the process that asks for the wakelock needs to be long running, i.e. not system settings and not a 'dispatcher script' (NM callback on if events).
[12:40] <Elleo> ah, I see
[12:40] <jgdx> so it's either indicator-network or network-manager,
[12:40] <jgdx> and that requires some planning
[12:40] <Elleo> yeah
[12:41] <melon> Sweet! If I'd been in the loop I'd definitely help with what I can. But I've never written anything except for personal mini-projects so I'm not sure I'd be any help in an ongoing project. However I'm looking to get into development for ubuntu-touch. It might be the thing that actually takes me out of project euler. (y)
[12:42] <jgdx> melon, testing is usually pretty easy to do, so if you want to be part of that, PM your email and I'll give you instructions when it's ready.
[12:44] <melon> taken
[12:54] <zzarr> I get the error I got an error while building "make *** no rule to make target /android.config'. stop" when I run make (using cm as android base)
[13:16] <popey> jgdx: i always get excited when I get bug mail from bug 1241986 :)
[13:16] <jgdx> popey, :) are you close to such a network?
[13:17] <popey> no, but I know people who are, who moan at me all the time about this
[13:17] <popey> so I moan by proxy
[13:17] <popey> also, it's one of the first bugs I filed in Ubuntu touch :)
[13:17] <brunch875> That really impacts me so I can use eduroam
[13:19] <jgdx> popey, brunch875: If you can help test the silo when it's ready, that'd be great.
[13:19] <jgdx> there are debs if you feel adventurous
[13:19] <brunch875> give me the instructions and I'll do it
[13:23] <jgdx> brunch875, awesome. Download [1] and extract. Make the phone image writable. Copy libsystemsettings1_0.3+15.10.….deb ubuntu-system-settings_0.3+15.10.….deb to the phone and install them using $ sudo dpkg --force-all -i *.deb. [1] http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-wily-armhf/199/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip
[13:24] <jgdx> brunch875, if you're unsure how to downgrade after testing (if you want that), just let me know.
[13:24] <jgdx> there should be a silo real soon however
[13:25] <brunch875> I'm not sure if I'll be able to go to college tomorrow morning
[13:25] <brunch875> But I'll sure try to
[13:30] <jgdx> abeato, hi, I'm testing call forwarding on my device, and I get operation failed on all forwardings using the script
[13:30] <jgdx> question is why? Got coverage
[13:31] <abeato> jgdx, that depends on the operator, not all support all types of call forwardins
[13:31] <abeato> *forwarding
[13:31] <abeato> jgdx, in fact some force the forwarding the to voice mail
[13:32] <jgdx> abeato, that might be it.. hard/impossible to detect I assume
[13:32] <abeato> jgdx, would be good if you have another SIMs to try
[13:33] <jgdx> abeato, right, testing on my private sim which has a voice mail service enabled, so there's the answer.
[13:33]  * jgdx fetches other sim
[13:33] <abeato> great
[13:35] <jgdx> brunch875, thanks!
[13:41] <jgdx> abeato, works :)
[13:41] <abeato> jgdx, :)
[13:42] <peat-psuwit> What does this line mean in account-polld.log:
[13:42] <peat-psuwit> Error while polling 3: Token expired
[13:43]  * ogra_ bets it means that a token expired ... 
[13:43] <ogra_> ... just guessing though
[13:44] <blitz00> Hi. Is there some guide anywhere to run Xorg nested in Mir ? I think i've installed the right packages, however I don't know how to actualy start X.. tried Xorg -mir X -mirSocket /run/mir_socket yet it complains it can't find a device
[13:45] <peat-psuwit> It appears repeatedly. And account-polld uses approximately 20% of CPU.
[13:45] <blitz00> screen sorry
[13:48]  * brobostigon is trying to make sense of the sailfish os pebble app source code.
[13:49] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, try to remove your U1 account and re-add it
[13:52] <dobey> ogra_: probably twitter or g+ token. i don't think polld cares about u1 token
[13:52] <ogra_> ah
[13:52] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, ^^ there yu got an expert :)
[13:52] <dobey> "expert"
[13:53] <peat-psuwit> dobey: Messages doesn't go away when I removed account. Adding U1 account again hangs at account type selection.
[13:54] <dobey> peat-psuwit: did you delete your twitter and/or google account? or just u1?
[13:55] <jgdx> No notification or alarms end on my meizu atm. r41
[13:55] <peat-psuwit> dobey: Just U1. I'll try to remove others.
[13:55] <dobey> i am pertty sure that polld doesn't care about u1 tokens
[13:56] <dobey> because it's just polling the twitter or google for notifications, and not using push at all
[13:57] <peat-psuwit> dobey: Ok, messages stops when I remove Google accnout.
[13:58] <peat-psuwit> dobey: But shouldn't it do something automatically?
[13:58] <dobey> account-polld should probably create a notification for those cases that tells you what token is expired and give you a way to open accounts and log in again
[13:59] <dobey> and should probably flag an invalid token as invalid and ignore it until it's refreshed or whatever
[13:59] <dobey> peat-psuwit: feel free to file a bug against account-polld about that
[13:59] <dobey> (please do, even)
[14:12] <brobostigon> i need to work out how account-polld creates notifications, and then create a background deamon that monitors those notifications and pushes them to a connected pebble.
[14:15] <melon> So how close is ubuntu touch to ubuntu desktop? Can I for example build gimp for the armhf architecture and it would run? (albeit with an uncontrollable ui)?
[14:16] <ogra_> why would you build something thats alreday there
[14:17] <melon> oh, it is? cool
[14:17] <ogra_> there are ways to run Xmir (pretty much by trashing your installation though) on the phone already ... so theoretically you can run any X app
[14:17] <melon> But say, if it wasn't. Would it work that way? (is that how it works?)
[14:17] <jgdx> mpt, hi, we have call forwarding and WPA-EP coming up in the form of silos. Call forwarding is in silo 22 if you want to give it a go.
[14:18] <ogra_> and for apps that natively support Mir (Qt and Gtk3) you dont even need XMir
[14:18] <melon> How does it work when you trash your installation? Can you always plug it into you computer and reflash?
[14:18] <ogra_> so yes, gimp could work with the necessary hackery
[14:18] <ogra_> yeah, you can re-flash
[14:18] <melon> Sweet.
[14:18] <jgdx> mpt, in that, there is contact import, but it's not 100% as spec. Created bug 1467816 for that.
[14:20] <brobostigon> whats the basic subsystem that manages/pushes notifications, account-polld seems to only work with the three webapps.
[14:20] <melon> So I take it Meizu put another bootloader on the ubuntu edition then, if it's open to just reflash
[14:21] <ogra_> melon, it is th same as on every MX4 international edition
[14:21] <ogra_> the international one is open ...
[14:21] <ogra_> only the chinese edition is locked down
[14:21] <ogra_> (but you cant just re-flash the android device with ubuntu ... partition schemes are different)
[14:22] <melon> Was just about to ask that
[14:23] <sturmflut2> brobostigon: There are multiple ways. There is a push notification service that relies on the push.ubuntu.com server, that is e.g. used by Telegram. Then there is account-polld, which does polling for Google, Twitter and Facebook, because those providers won't change their system to use the push notification server.
[14:23] <ogra_> you need some flash tool that re-partitions ... and the right input file with the right size values
[14:24] <brobostigon> sturmflut2: ok, i see, so i will have to design into it to monitor both those notification sources?
[14:24] <melon> But it's doable to go android->ubuntu and vice versa, just you need read up a bit? Or are those sizes proparitary or something?
[14:25] <ogra_> the sizes are public, not sure the tools are though
[14:25] <ogra_> (and if they are they most likely only run on windows)
[14:26] <sturmflut2> melon, ogra_: The MTK tool is public, it also runs on Linux, but are all the files public? The Meizu kernel release does not contain the preloader, Little Kernel etc.
[14:26] <ogra_> ah, yeah, bq offers whole zips for the images on their website ... meizu probably doesnt
[14:26] <sturmflut2> brobostigon: What are you trying to do in the end? Just monitor all incoming notifications?
[14:27] <ogra_> (zipps to flash with the mtk tool)
[14:27] <brobostigon> sturmflut2: exactly, and then design a system like me and popey were discussing earlier to push those to a pebble over bluetooth.
[14:28] <brunch875> I just flashed ubuntu from bootloader this time
[14:28] <brunch875> works without an issue on the aquaris
[14:28] <brunch875> but it surprises me how it didn't wipe anything
[14:28] <brunch875> is there a way to nuke everything and format when flashing?
[14:28] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash only wipes if you explicitly tell i to
[14:29] <ogra_> *tell it to
[14:29] <brunch875> I suppose it's --wipe
[14:29] <ogra_> right
[14:29] <brunch875> does that absolutely nuke everything?
[14:29] <brunch875> aha then I'll toy until it breaks >:)
[14:29] <ogra_> it rm's all stuff in the writable partition
[14:30] <brunch875> what if I $ phablet-config writable-image?
[14:30] <brunch875> then sudo break the system
[14:30] <brunch875> is there a way to 'format'?
[14:30] <sturmflut2> brobostigon: Ah! Hm, I don't know if the notification subsystem has an API for that.
[14:31] <sturmflut2> brobostigon: And AFAIK in the future there will be a third way to generate notifications
[14:31] <brobostigon> sturmflut2: ok, oh well, so it just needs to monitor push.ubuntu.com and account-polld then seperatly for both for notifications?
[14:32] <brobostigon> sturmflut2: elaborate? if you can please.
[14:33] <sturmflut2> brobostigon: We discussed this yesterday, as far as I understood there will be a generic framework on the device you can plug your own code into and then generate notifications.
[14:34] <sturmflut2> brobostigon: How are you going to monitor the services? Do they have an API for that?
[14:36] <brobostigon> sturmflut2: all the pebble is designed for, is to show notifications form your phone, so ie, something needs to be designed to monitor those notifications and their text, and then push that to the pebble, i am just reading up on how data is pushed to the pebble fw form other pebble apps on other platforms.
[14:38] <brobostigon> sturmflut2: what i was thinking of, was some sort of background deamon to do the job.
[14:45] <peat-psuwit> dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-polld/+bug/1470132
[14:52] <matv1> hi kemmko1
[15:00] <kemmko1> matv1: hi
[15:00] <matv1> kemmko1 I filed a bug the other day to dialer-app but noticed just now that something similar was filed against ubuntu-ux
[15:00] <matv1> the ux bug is assigned to you. mine is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dialer-app/+bug/1469467
[15:01] <kemmko1> *having a look*
[15:01] <matv1> thing is. I have some parts that i feel are important that are not in the other bug.
[15:01] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1460301
[15:01] <kemmko1> matv1:  yes, there is a similar one already
[15:01] <matv1> Is thereany way to merge them without loosing what I added?
[15:02] <kemmko1> matv1:  yes, you can copy&paste the parts you think are important into the bug description of the older bug
[15:02] <kemmko1> matv1:  and then mark the one you filed as a duplicate
[15:03] <matv1> kemmko1 okay will do that. thanks
[15:03] <kemmko1> matv1:  or you add a comment with your additions
[15:03] <matv1> ok I will see which makes more sense
[15:04] <kemmko1> matv1:  if you update the bug description, it would be great if you could mark it as "Update" so people know that this is a new addition
[15:04] <kemmko1> matv1:  hope it helps :)
[15:05] <matv1> me too :)
[15:06] <kemmko1> matv1:  also, if you file bugs against ubuntu-ux could you be so kind to find the corresponding package and file it against the bug too
[15:06] <kemmko1> matv1:  here is a list of all projects: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[15:06] <kemmko1> matv1:  even if design is aware of the bug, developers need to be too so they can plan ahead
[15:37] <kalikiana> hrm
[15:37] <kalikiana> now that was weird, I got a call, and it showed another person's name
[15:39] <kalikiana> so, I have texts from the real person, and the caller I just had, from somebody else, showing the same name....
[16:01] <brunch875> jgdx: when installing the debs I got some warnings styled
[16:01] <brunch875> ubuntu-system-settings-autopilot depends on python3-dbusmock (>= 0.14); however:
[16:01] <brunch875>   Package python3-dbusmock is not installed.
[16:01] <brunch875> is that fine?
[16:02] <ogra_> uh, autopilot ?
[16:02] <ogra_> are you planning to have your device run automated tests ?
[16:02] <brunch875> for science!
[16:03] <brunch875> I want to help test if the new wifis work on eduroam
[16:03] <kenvandine> brunch875, just don't install the ubuntu-system-settings-autopilot package
[16:03] <ogra_> well, but i ddoubt you want any autopilot testing ... you want real-world testing :)
[16:04] <brunch875> whoops! Too late? :D
[16:04] <kenvandine> dpkg -P ubuntu-system-settings-autopilot
[16:05] <brunch875> it doesn't really matter installing it though, does it?
[16:05] <ogra_> it might break a lot
[16:06] <ogra_> it is for unattende automated testing
[16:06] <ogra_> so it creates fake stuff on the phone and all
[16:07] <brunch875> hmph, does kevandine's instruction solve everything? I wouldn't care to format if you suspect it might interfere
[16:22] <peat-psuwit> Does Ubuntu have support for Qualcomm's time daemon?
[16:25] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, if it is in the android HAL it could get that ... though the time management is usually done via regular ubuntu tools on the ubuntu side
[16:39] <brunch875> is there a way to reset the phone entirely? (not just the writable partition)
[16:40] <awe> peat-psuwit, what does their functionality does their time daemon provide?  We have NTP support
[16:40] <brobostigon> brunch875: reboot into recovery, full wipe.
[16:41] <brunch875> cheerio! I'll get right to it
[16:41] <peat-psuwit> awe: I think it allows me to set hardware clock. Normal "hwclock -w" doesn't work on my phone.
[16:41] <awe> ah, ok
[16:43] <dobey> awe: it keeps time reasonably correct across reboots on Nexus5 and similar devices, iirc
[16:44] <awe> k
[16:45] <ogra_> well, the proper fix would be to get hwclock to work
[16:46] <peat-psuwit> hwclock: ioctl(RTC_SET_TIME) to /dev/rtc to set the time failed.: Invalid argument
[16:47] <peat-psuwit> That's error from hwclock.
[16:48] <jrbt> In which language are develop most of native apps on Ubuntu Touch?
[16:49] <ogra_> jrbt, QML and javascript ... if you want to go deeper you can use C++/Qt
[16:49] <jrbt> +ed*
[16:49] <ogra_> (but most use the former)
[16:49] <jrbt> ? "the former"?
[16:49] <ogra_> QML and javascript ....
[16:49] <jrbt> ok :)
[16:49] <jrbt> thanks!
[16:50] <jrbt> Qml is like qt? for the design instead of html/css on firefoxos?
[16:52] <brunch875> brobostigon: wiping from recovery left traces
[16:52] <ogra_> yes, there is a bug open for that
[16:53] <brobostigon> brunch875: i suppose, you could put into fastboot mode, wipe all the partitions, and rebuild everything from scratch?
[16:53] <brobostigon> it into*
[16:53] <brunch875> that highly risks killing the phone, doesn't it? :p
[16:54] <brobostigon> oh yes.
[16:55] <brunch875> so... there really isn't an easy way to wipe and reflash... is there?
[16:55] <ogra_> try using u-d-f with --bootstrap
[16:55] <ogra_> that should format the partitions iirc
[16:57] <brunch875> so something like ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap -udf
[16:57] <brunch875> oh, by udf you meant the program
[16:57] <ogra_> yes, thats short for ubuntu-device-flash
[16:57] <ogra_> and you need a recovery with adb enabled for this
[16:58] <jgdx> brunch875, sorry, you have to only install the debs I mentioned
[16:58] <ogra_> (not -udf ... i was just lazy typing the full name)
[16:58] <brunch875> jgdx: my bad :-D
[16:59] <brunch875> I'm trying to wipe so it doesn't mess up the results
[16:59] <jgdx> brunch875, you don't have to wipe though.. only flash
[17:00] <brunch875> doesn't really matter to me to wipe, so I'll try to clean it the cleanest
[17:00] <brunch875> besides, I like formatting often  all my devices
[17:11] <brunch875> I get it now
[17:11] <brunch875> flashing from bootstrap seems to be failing
[17:11] <brunch875> The steps I'm following are rebooting the phone into bootloader
[17:11] <brunch875>  ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --wipe
[17:12] <jgdx> --bootstrap implies --wipe I think, and maybe call that outside the bootloader?
[17:12] <brunch875> then the phone boots into recovery, stays there until it gets bored of no interaction and eventually reboots
[17:12] <ogra_> as i said, you need the open recovery img and need to define it in an option
[17:12] <ogra_> the default recovery does not have adb
[17:12]  * brunch875 is highly confused
[17:15] <ahoneybun> brunch875: sounds like you need a custom recovery
[17:15] <ahoneybun> I have TWRP
[17:15] <brunch875> -oh-
[17:15] <ogra_> you need the right recovery that is promoted in the documentation for flashing
[17:15] <brunch875> is this fine with the b4 e4.5?
[17:15] <ogra_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5
[17:16] <brunch875> ogra rocks my socks
[17:29] <brunch875> oh yes that did the trick!
[17:30] <brunch875> as a token of gratitude I'll do my best to help you guys out
[18:00] <jrbt> 'back
[18:01] <jrbt> Uh.. to create a QML + Javascript app is it HTML5 App on the Ubuntu SDK?
[18:05] <bzoltan_> jrbt:  no, the qml apps are qml apps
[18:05] <Tassadar> mariogrip: you tested ubuntu touch installation via the multirom manager app?
[18:05] <jrbt> bzoltan_, oh ok, but there are a lot of QML app with ... which one it is?
[18:06] <jrbt> So what is HTML5 App?
[18:07] <brobostigon> its basiclly an app written in html running inside a html renderer, i would presume.
[18:11] <jrbt> Ok, so for a "normal" native app it is QML App with Simple UI (qmlproject)?
[18:13] <bzoltan_> jrbt: for prototyping that is the easiest. The best is the qmake project with simple qml UI
[18:14] <jrbt> Ok.
[18:20] <jrbt> ok and what is framework?
[18:21] <jrbt> (sorry I'm beginning)
[18:21] <jrbt> ubuntu15.04 or ubuntu15.04-qml?
[18:21] <jrbt> (or doesn't matter?)
[18:29] <dobey> jrbt: you might want to join #ubuntu-app-devel
[18:29] <jrbt> ok!
[19:54] <Se7> hi guys this working?
[19:54] <Se7> http://www.whatsappfor.org/?s=whatsapp+ubuntu+phone&submit=Search
[19:59] <dobey> no
[20:00] <dobey> WhatsApp *will* ban your account if you use unofficial clients. if you want whatsapp for ubuntu, bug whatsapp support to let them know you want it on ubuntu :)
[20:00] <Se7> tnx dobey i thought that :)
[20:00] <nhaines> dobey: can I just bug you to bug them for me?  :)
[20:01] <Se7> lol
[20:01] <nhaines> Actually I'm happy enough with Telegram that I'm forcing my friends to switch, ha.
[20:01] <dobey> nhaines: sure. that'll be $50,000
[20:01] <nhaines> dobey: I'll take two!
[20:01]  * dobey waits for the paypal
[20:02]  * nhaines sends via dogecoin
[20:02] <Se7> nhaines, it s very difficult to do that
[20:02] <Se7> force them to switch
[20:02] <Se7> ppl are too ignorant lool
[20:03] <Se7> for that they still using winzozz
[20:03] <nhaines> They're all pretty happy with it so far, so now I count on them to bug their friends too, lol.
[20:03] <nhaines> Besides, Telegram works great on Android, iOS, Windows, and so on, so it's been an easy sell for the most important ones.
[20:04] <Se7> of course but still difficult
[20:04] <om26er> I cannot enable developer mode on wily, help ?
[20:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, pushed fix for setting empty forwardings
[20:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, what else did your testing reveal? What are your thoughts on the checkbox?
[21:00] <jgdx> it's actually per spec.. :s https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-settings-call-forwarding-number.png
[21:16] <SturmFlut> scoperegistry is running amok on my arale, any logs I should collect?