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jrbtsorry to insist but an idea?03:37
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dholbachgood morning06:53
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jrbtHey! Problem solved :)10:40
jrbtIt is because my home was encrypted10:40
jrbtNow, apps run well on my phone :)10:40
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MatlinHelp alla someone know how tocqueville manage sockets in ubuntu sdk?15:46
Raven67854Hello15:46
Matlinhi15:46
MatlinDoes someone say how to manage sockets in ubuntu sdk?15:47
Raven67854So I'm still somewhat new to Ubuntu development. Whenever I make a simple QML app the "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1" line is red underlined. and it errors whenever I go to build15:47
Raven67854anybody know whats with that?15:47
Matlinno15:48
Raven67854Bummer15:48
davidcalleRaven67854, are you using the SDK PPA? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/15:50
joc_does anyone know how to declare a string in QML that contains a emoji character from the emoticon set - i.e. 1F601 or higher?15:50
mcphailjoc_: I haven't tried, but does adding the character directly into the string not work?15:54
joc_mcphail: i can add a char that is four hex digits long using \u123A for example - but doesnt work for 4 digits i think15:55
joc_sorry doesnt work for 5 digits15:55
MrsButterWorpshi!  Is there a faq or something somewhere explaining the process for submitting a code change to a package managed by the ubuntu development team?15:57
mcphailjoc_: and if you paste the character directly into the string, does that work?15:58
joc_mcphail: good idea, and rather obvious now i think about it ;)16:01
mcphailjoc_: :)16:02
joc_mcphail: yep, copying out of a browser list does do the trick 😁16:03
mcphailjoc_: iirc, Qt does all kinds of messing about with utf-8 and different charsets. A bit of a mess. But I assume a QML textfield will simply accept whatever you paste16:03
mcphail(now, if I could get PuTTY, screen and irssi to show high characters correctly, I might be able to see what you sent instead of an empy box :)16:05
joc_mcphail: thanks (seemed to show up ok in my combination of gnome-term, tmux, irrsi)16:07
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joachimhsIs there a release schedule published for Ubuntu Phone?16:22
ogra_joachimhs, every 6 weeks16:27
ogra_(there is no fixed schedule since it can vary if QA finds bugs etc)16:27
joachimhsogra_: OK. Is the features planned/released published anywhere?16:31
joachimhsogra_: And will the phone list new updates as they become available=16:31
joachimhs?16:31
ogra_there are bug lists (dont ask me where :P ... looks for canonical-system-image on launchpad)16:32
ogra_the phone notifies you if there is a new OTA available16:32
ogra_and sil2100 usually sends a mail about the changes to the ubuntu-phone mailing list afterwards16:32
joachimhsok16:33
joachimhsJust got my Aquaris E5 today16:33
ogra_cool !16:33
joachimhsIt takes a but getting used to, coming from the iPhone16:33
ogra_well, once you are used to it it is also hard to go back :)16:34
ogra_you always swipe from the sides and wonder why nothing happens ... at least me :)16:34
joachimhs:)16:34
mcphail+116:34
joachimhsThe whole "no back button" is very different16:34
joachimhsBut I suppose ill get used to it16:35
ogra_you will16:35
ogra_takes a bit :)16:35
ogra_and well ... there are back buttons in apps ... at the top left16:35
joachimhsI am really hoping that both Ubuntu Phone and FirefoxOS can make a huge OSS dent on iPhone and Andrioid!16:36
mcphailswitching between apps on Android is a real chore these days, particularly as I've now added a "swipe from the right and notice nothing happening" step16:36
joachimhsTrue... But there is no button to press to "exit this app"16:36
mcphailjoachimhs: swipe open the carousel then swipe away the app16:37
ogra_well, exiting via swiping it away from the app spread will quickly go into your finger memory :)16:37
ogra_you can just swipe them up/down to close them16:37
joachimhsI guess. But there's still the "no button to exit the carousel" :) But Im sure Ill get used to it. Just a different concept i think16:38
joachimhsAlso, There should be a "ask for PIN code after X hours", like the iPhone has. Means that the phone is "relatively safe" if lost, but also that I don't have to type the pin code all the time16:39
ogra_that sounds like a suggestion to make in a whishlist bug for the designers16:40
ogra_(there shoudl be a ubuntu-ux product in launchpad you can file it against)16:40
joachimhsok16:40
ogra_(not sure what the security team would say about it though :) )16:41
joachimhsIs this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux used to report things for the Ubuntu Phone too?16:45
popeydepends what type of report16:45
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers is the canonical (heu) list16:45
joachimhshm16:45
popeyubuntu-ux is for design things, so we usually file bugs against specific apps, then add a task for ubuntu-uk16:45
popeylet me know if you need help there.16:46
popey(I have filed a few bugs in my time)16:46
joachimhspopey: I would like to file the suggestion from above: "ask for PIN code after X hours"16:46
joachimhs"Data on lock screen" ?16:47
popeyno16:47
popeythat would hit quite a few things16:47
popeyyou want to lock the phone but _not_ have it ask for pin?16:47
popeythat seems insecure16:47
joachimhsWell.. I want it to ask for a pin if the phone has been on the lock screen for "X amount of minutes/hours"16:48
ogra_he wants it to lock after a few hours of not having been on i guess16:48
joachimhsWhich is somewhere in-between "no pin" and "ask every time"16:48
popeystill sounds insecure :)16:48
ogra_well, more secure than no pin at all16:49
popeybut sure, file it... uhm.16:49
popeyish16:49
ogra_(and it would eb optional, you would explicitly select that feature)16:49
popeyI'd file it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image and let us have the bug number16:49
joachimhspopey: Well.. on my laptop I can choose to walk away from it without locking it, or I can choose to lock it. Since the phone will "lock automatically to save power on inactivity", something in between is nice16:50
popeysure.16:50
joachimhshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/147058616:58
ubot5Launchpad bug 1470586 in Canonical System Image "Lock screen: Ask for PIN after x amount of minutes/hours" [Undecided,New]16:58
joachimhsAh.. I beat the bot ;)16:59
joachimhsIt was filed as a bug, but its more of a feature I suppose16:59
mcphailjoachimhs: on Ubuntu, bugs _are_ features :)17:03
joachimhs:)17:03
popeythanks joachimhs17:05
joachimhspopey: no worries17:06
popeytagged ubuntu-ux17:06
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joachimhsi guess I should even take a stab at implementing it :)17:06
joachimhsThe "The Meizu MX4" looks quite nice17:07
ogra_the screen and camera are quite awesome17:08
joachimhsGood quality Hardware is one of the major driving force in high-end markets like Europe and the US17:08
ogra_well,. it has its drawbacks ... single SIM, no SD and for now only available with 16G with ubuntu17:09
joachimhsI guess but at €299 it still pretty sweet17:09
ogra_so it is sadly not all shiny17:09
ogra_yeah, thats true17:09
joachimhsOne of my main arguments against the iPhone is its extremely high price point, combined with fragile screens17:10
Raven67854davidcalle, I'm on 15.04 and I installed straight from the software center17:10
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joachimhsIs there an easy way to control the music from the lock-screen?17:32
ahayzennot yet...'soon' ;-)17:33
ogra_nope ... there is control support from the volume indicator in the works though17:33
ahayzenspecifically from the sound-menu indicator17:33
ogra_like you have on ubuntu desktop17:33
joachimhsOK17:33
joachimhs"Swipe from bottom" in lock screen should work :)17:33
joachimhsKind of iPhone-ish17:33
ogra_what would that do ?17:34
ogra_the bottom is reserved for creativity of app developers ;)17:34
joachimhsOK17:34
ogra_so it is excluded from the system gestures17:34
joachimhsok. swipe from top could also work. Add a "note" icon at the top-hand bar to bring down audio controls17:35
ogra_yes, that is what i described above :)17:35
ogra_you swipe from top and go to the volume control ... there you have play/ppause and back/forward17:36
joachimhsogra_: ah :)17:38
joachimhsDoes the Ubuntu Phone support apps on the sim-card?18:09
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akiva-thinkpadbzoltan_: zbenjamin thanks for the merge. I'm getting a bit burned out on the project, so I'd just like to know what you would like for a final push? Will we be trying to get this merged into qtcreator?  If i'm not online, send me a message. I want to make sure this goes over well because I will need to use this in a portfolio for finding a job.21:25
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