[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[06:57] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:11] <larsu> morning!
[07:12] <larsu> I have the feeling it is going to be hot here today
[07:13] <anpok_> Laney: i have an updated mir patch for gtk+-3.14 .. seem to work fine .. should I create an MP? and if so against which branch?
[07:38] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:38] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:38] <pitti> hallo larsu, guten Morgen!
[07:38] <seb128> wie gehts?
[07:38] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke!
[07:38] <pitti> we are getting a new stove and oven right now :)
[07:38] <larsu> bonjour pitti!
[07:38] <larsu> oooh fancy
[07:38] <seb128> who need that when you can cook outside by letting stuff in the sun for an hour :p
[07:38] <pitti> our old oven broke down, so we bought a new one; and while we were at it, a new induction stove
[07:39] <seb128> nice
[07:39] <pitti> seb128: haha
[07:39] <seb128> 33°C forecasted today here, that's too much
[07:39] <pitti> I saw/used an induction stove at a friend's a while ago, it's quite a bit faster
[07:39] <seb128> still better than Paris
[07:39] <seb128> 39°C there
[07:40] <seb128> yeah, we use induction here
[07:40] <seb128> it's great
[07:40] <pitti> seb128: but good reminder, /me closes the shutters
[07:40] <seb128> don't use it at max power though
[07:40] <seb128> easy to burn things otherwise
[07:41] <seb128> also if the bottom of the pan is not thick enough it can be damaged
[07:41] <pitti> yeah, we'll need some time to get used to it
[07:42] <larsu> burnt food for the next couple of weeks at pitti's house :P
[07:42] <pitti> we bought new jars last Saturday already (the pans and the pressure cooker fortunately already work)
[07:45] <seb128> jars?
[07:45] <seb128> aren't those for storing already cooked things?
[07:46] <pitti> seb128: err, "pots", I figure
[07:46] <happyaron> seb128: sorry was at some medical emergency, will make yesterday on holidayu
[07:47] <seb128> happyaron, hey, no worry ... I hope you are fine?
[07:47] <seb128> pitti, ah, I see :-)
[07:48] <happyaron> seb128: it's not me, a friend of mine
[07:48] <seb128> oh ok
[07:48] <happyaron> but he lives very near to me, so I went to help
[07:48] <happyaron> ty
[07:49] <seb128> yw!
[08:00] <willcooke> let's try this again...
[08:00] <willcooke> Morning all!
[08:01] <larsu> morning willcooke! How's life?
[08:01] <willcooke> hey larsu - pretty good thanks!  Tired, the usual....
[08:01] <willcooke> ;)
[08:03] <Laney> yo!
[08:03] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke, wb!
[08:03] <larsu> bonjour Laney
[08:04] <Laney> oh willcooke is here
[08:04]  * Laney looks busy
[08:05] <Laney> hey larsu!
[08:09] <Laney> anpok_: we don't have an RTM branch, just push it somewhere and give me the address please
[08:09] <Laney> I will update Vcs-Bzr to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3vivid-overlay or something and push there
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:11] <anpok_> Laney: ok
[08:11] <Laney> s/RTM/overlay/
[08:11] <Laney> hey seb128, doing good thanks!
[08:11] <Laney> spent some time in the pub garden last night
[08:12] <Laney> make the most of it
[08:12] <Laney> also I ripped my trousers in the middle of climbing /o\
[08:12] <seb128> :-/
[08:12] <Laney> was stretching
[08:12] <Laney> then this rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrip sound
[08:12] <Laney> hope nobody noticed
[08:12] <seb128> haha
[08:13] <Laney> how are you?
[08:18] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:18] <seb128> getting really what shapes to be a warm day
[08:18] <seb128> do you say warm or hot, or does any work?
[08:19] <Laney> hot is hotter than warm
[08:19] <Laney> but it is fine in this context
[08:19] <seb128> k, so getting ready for an hot day ;-)
[08:29] <anpok_> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/gtk/gtk-3-14-13-mir-0-14-0
[08:30] <Laney> ty
[09:36] <seb128> larsu, Laney, if you extract a file from an archive using file-rolling, the summary dialog has buttons with "cut borders", like it has an outline on some sides only ... any idea if that's a gtk/file-roller/theme issue?
[09:36] <seb128> or where to file it
[09:39] <larsu> seb128: probably theme. Let me chewck
[09:39] <larsu> how do you even get the "summary dialog"?
[09:41] <seb128> larsu, open a .tar.gz, select a file in it, click extract
[09:41] <seb128> extract it somewhere
[09:41] <larsu> tht doesn't show me a dialog at all
[09:42] <larsu> ah wait, it does
[09:42]  * larsu was dragging-and-dropping
[09:43] <larsu> ya, theme issue
[09:43]  * larsu puts it on the list
[09:43] <seb128> want a bug report?
[09:43] <larsu> every app uses the "linked" class differently :/
[09:43] <larsu> seb128: yes please
[09:43] <larsu> and in fact, we don't even want "linked" there on unity
[09:45] <seb128> larsu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1470434
[09:45] <larsu> thanks!
[09:46] <seb128> yw!
[09:56] <Laney> larsu: want to review https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751737 ? :)
[09:56] <Laney> mcl<tab>. is offline
[09:58] <larsu> Laney: sure (I think mcl<tab> is at the west coast hackfest)
[09:59] <Laney> ah, that is now?
[10:00] <Laney> https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/WestCoastSummit2015 indeed
[10:00] <larsu> yes: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2015/06/30/westcoast-summit-2015/
[10:00] <larsu> hm, that patch does more than move the delete_app() call
[10:01] <Laney> ya
[10:01] <Laney> his original commit was kind of weird/incomplete
[10:01] <larsu> ah I see. That function is not even used as a source anymore...
[10:02] <larsu> Laney: why the check for g_main_loop_is_running()? Did not having it cause problems?
[10:03] <larsu> ah, maybe I should read the bug report, not the commit message :D
[10:04] <Laney> not sure if that is strictly necessary tbh
[10:05] <larsu> I don't think it is, but it also doesn't harm
[10:08] <larsu> Laney: makes sense to me. Testing it now
[10:08] <larsu> do you have push rights?
[10:09] <Laney> nope
[10:10] <larsu> ok will push it right away then (if it works ;) )
[10:10] <larsu> do you need it only on master?
[10:11] <Laney> ya, this is just broken with 2.45.3
[10:13] <larsu> done
[10:13] <larsu> thanks!
[10:14] <Laney> thank you!
[10:14] <Laney> what's this document portal stuff?
[10:15] <larsu> err, what?
[10:15] <larsu> (clearly I wouldn't know)
[10:16] <Laney> was just reading hackfest reports
[10:16] <Laney> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps/DocumentPortal
[10:16] <Laney> they are making evince use it
[10:17] <larsu> oh neat
[10:17] <seb128> seems like the equivalent of our trusted helpers?
[10:18] <seb128> content-hub like
[10:19] <Laney> what's going to provide the service in gnome?
[10:20] <Laney> is unity(7) and/or content-hub going to have to implement it?
[10:21] <seb128> it's only if you want to use sandboxing right?
[10:22] <seb128> or asked differently, is that codepath optional in evince or mandatory?
[10:22] <seb128> I guess it's going to be optional at least for a while
[10:24] <seb128> unity7 is not likely to ever be a confined environment
[10:24] <seb128> under unity8 it's going to be "more fun"
[10:24] <Laney> yeah they clearly can't require sandboxing right away
[10:25] <Laney> but you might say that the shell or something has to implement this API anyway
[10:25]  * Laney knows nothing
[10:25] <larsu> if only freedesktop was still what it used to be
[10:25] <larsu> and canonical gave a shit about it...
[10:25] <seb128> yeah, but it's not :-/
[10:26] <seb128> I'm curious if any other desktop/project is going to implement a document portal, out of GNOME
[10:29] <larsu> probably elementary - they're at the hackfest as well
[10:29] <larsu> would be bad if they used fdo namespace with *no* other env
[10:31] <seb128> they tend to do it...
[10:31] <seb128> not because they want, just because often there is no traction from other desktops on the specs/topics
[10:31] <larsu> really? For the notification stuff, we used org.gtk
[10:31] <larsu> (for that reason...)
[10:31] <larsu> ah, yeah that might be
[10:32] <seb128> oh ok
[10:32] <seb128> I don't really consider elementary as a "mainstream" desktop/OS
[10:32] <seb128> but it's true they are around ;-)
[10:32] <larsu> endless is as well
[10:33] <larsu> and they definitely want confined apps asap
[10:33] <seb128> who/what is endless?
[10:34] <seb128> oh, the ones who did the kickstarter for that living room computer?
[10:35] <larsu> yes
[10:35] <larsu> they use the full gnome stack as well
[10:40] <Laney> anpok_: what did you base this branch on?
[10:43] <Laney> anpok_: I can't merge it into lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3vivid
[10:43] <seb128> ogra_, do you know how/where is the initrd from snappy core built/what it includes?
[10:44] <ogra_> seb128, i think it simply runs update-initramfs during live build
[10:49] <anpok_> Laney: uh .. an arbitrry 3.14 branch .. i did not see ubuntugtk3vivid
[10:49] <anpok_> argh.. that would have been closer..
[10:50] <Laney> apt-cache showsrc gtk+3.0 | grep Vcs- # for future reference :)
[10:50] <Laney> (on the right release)
[10:51] <seb128> ogra_, thanks, I'm trying to figure out why booting by disk LABEL doesn't work on desktop-next
[10:51] <seb128> I was wondering if it could be some fs/ext support missing in the initramfs
[10:52] <ogra_> seb128, do you have initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core in your image ?
[10:52] <ogra_> that ships the script that does the mounting
[10:53] <ogra_> if you can mount by uuid the fs support should be there
[10:53] <ogra_> are the partitions actually having labels ?
[10:54] <ogra_> (probably a u-d-f issue)
[10:55] <seb128> ogra_, the partitions have the label according to blkid
[10:56] <ogra_> k
[10:56] <seb128> we do have initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core
[10:56] <ogra_> yeah, i see it at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-preinstalled/current/wily-preinstalled-desktop-next-amd64.manifest
[10:57] <ogra_> and if you manually point to the label on the grub cmdline it doesnt work ?
[10:59] <seb128> ogra_, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/shot0001.png
[10:59] <seb128> ogra_, how do I do that?
[10:59] <seb128> ogra_, if I boot with "root=/dev/vda4" it works
[11:00] <seb128> root=LABEL=system-b doesn't
[11:00] <ogra_> no
[11:00] <ogra_> that cant
[11:00] <seb128> why not?
[11:00] <seb128> system-b is the label for vda4
[11:00] <ogra_> root=/dev/disk/by-label/system-a
[11:00] <ogra_> thats what the arm installs use
[11:00] <seb128> why?
[11:01] <seb128> LABEL= is supported by grub
[11:01] <ogra_> dunno, because it works ?
[11:01] <seb128> well, LABEL should also work
[11:01] <ogra_> might be an issue with the mount script ... try if that path works
[11:01] <seb128> k
[11:03] <seb128> ogra_, no, doesn't work
[11:03] <Laney> anpok_: are you rebasing or should I try to do it?
[11:03] <ogra_> wow
[11:03] <ogra_> it definitely should
[11:03] <ogra_> sounds like a udev issue then
[11:04] <seb128> why udev?
[11:04] <seb128> could also that whatever is needed kernel side to handle the labels is not loaded?
[11:04] <ogra_> because udev creates these symlinks ...
[11:04] <ogra_>  /dev/disk/by-label/system-a should always be available
[11:04] <ogra_> and be a link to the actual partition
[11:06] <ogra_> lets move over to #snappy
[11:07] <seb128> ogra_, I need to go for lunch but let's do that once I'm back yeah
[11:07] <ogra_> k
[11:13] <seb128> mvo_, that ubuntu-snappy upload is not happy
[11:13] <seb128> britney stops it because it makes ubuntu-desktop-next uninstallable
[11:14] <anpok_> Laney: i am just resending
[11:14] <anpok_> Laney: same branch now with sanity
[11:15] <seb128> mvo_, it wants system-image-cli >= 3.0, but that conflicts with system-image-snappy-cli/common ... are those deprecated?
[11:15] <mvo_> seb128: h, yeah, both are
[11:15] <seb128> mvo_, can you update the touch seed? ;-)
[11:15] <mvo_> seb128: sure, I thought it was pulled in via dependencies :/
[11:16] <seb128> mvo_, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily/view/head:/desktop#L61
[11:17] <seb128> mvo_, thanks
[11:17] <seb128> mvo_, sorry I would do it, but my systems are in middle of debugging snappy grub/label boot issues and some other fun with systemd
[11:18] <Laney> anpok_: thanks, will try in a second
[11:41] <darkxst> gnome-online-accounts was ported to webkit2gtk, what are chances of getting that MIR'd?
[11:42] <darkxst> g-o-a is already stuck in proposed after sync from debian
[11:42] <darkxst> and we need the update for g-c-c 3.16
[11:43] <Laney> darkxst: We can't have two webkits in main
[11:43] <Laney> I started doing a little bit of work on this transition
[11:44] <darkxst> I saw a huge list of deps still using webkit1
[11:44] <Laney> well, actually, we can't have two on the image really
[11:44] <Laney> maybe can have it in main for building purposes or something
[11:44] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/+bug/1469221
[11:46] <darkxst> g-o-a shouldnt be seed on the ubuntu images?
[11:47] <Laney> I just checked main, not seed
[11:49] <Laney> check if the bits of g-o-a which need wk2 can be demoted, then it only needs to be in main for building and you can ask the MIR team if that is okay
[11:52] <darkxst> Laney, ok, will do
[11:55] <desrt> moin
[11:55] <willcooke> howdy desrt
[11:55] <desrt> hey willcooke
[11:57] <Laney> hey desrt
[11:57] <Laney> settled in?
[11:57] <desrt> not even close :)
[11:57] <Laney> desk area unpackaged at least :)
[11:57] <desrt> most of the _stuff_ is moved, but not all
[11:57] <Laney> unpacked
[11:57] <desrt> nope
[11:57] <desrt> no furniture moved at all yet, in fact
[11:57] <desrt> getting an elevator booking around here is like pulling teeth :)
[12:03] <larsu> hi desrt!
[12:03] <desrt> hey
[12:06] <larsu> merging Laney's patches while you're away :)
[12:07] <desrt> cool
[12:07] <desrt> thanks :)
[12:07] <desrt> somewhat ironically, today is going to be a slow day
[12:07] <desrt> but it's a holiday :)
[12:08]  * desrt is probably going to just try to relax, maybe do some shopping
[12:08] <desrt> clean up a bit....
[12:24] <Laney> wow
[12:24] <Laney> there's a storm moving through
[12:24] <Laney> super loud thunder
[12:24] <willcooke> woo
[12:24] <willcooke> hope it comes here
[12:25] <willcooke> outside thermostat says it's 40
[12:25] <willcooke> which I think must be lies
[12:25] <willcooke> could do with a storm
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, you won't be able to do a hangout from the Ubuntu browser yet because it doesn't yet use the media device permissions API provided by Oxide
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> I think that's being worked on. Other than that, it should work fine
[12:28] <willcooke> sweet! thanks chrisccoulson
[14:19] <mhall119> willcooke: welcome back
[14:19] <mhall119> willcooke: what's the latest testable image for Unity 8 desktop?
[14:26] <seb128> mhall119, we already covered that, either take a vivid one or take a wily desktop and install unity8-desktop-session-mir
[14:26] <mhall119> seb128: where is the vivid one?
[14:27] <mhall119> and is it deb, click, or snappy based?
[14:27] <seb128> deb
[14:28] <seb128> unsure if we stored a vivid one somewhere
[14:28] <seb128> otherwise I guess "just take a wily desktop and install the mir session"
[14:41] <Laney> we did, it's on cdimage.ubuntu.com under ubuntu-desktop-next somewhere
[14:42] <seb128> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/backup-20150422/
[14:42] <seb128> Laney, mhall119 ^
[14:43] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:43] <Laney> np
[14:44] <mhall119> seb128: I'd like to have something I can boot from USB on another laptop
[14:44] <mhall119> Laney: anything more recent than that?
[14:44] <seb128> mhall119, no
[14:44] <seb128> we switched the image for snappy personal
[14:44] <mhall119> seb128: is there a schedule for having a live snappy personal image?
[14:45] <seb128> "when it's ready"
[14:45] <seb128> the debian way ;-)
[14:45] <mhall119> I'd like to try it on my wife's touch-screen laptop, but I havne't convinced her to let me install Ubuntu on it yet, let along wily
[14:46] <seb128> mhall119, you can use ud-f from wily and build an image, it's working if you do some manual tweaks, I'm aiming to have it to boot to a desktop without tweak by the end of the week
[14:46] <mhall119> seb128: that would be awesome, guess I need to take the plunge and put wily on my laptop
[14:51] <seb128> mhall119, what are you looking at doing?
[14:51] <seb128> mhall119, unity8 didn't change much since vivid
[14:52] <mhall119> seb128: I want to try it on a different laptop that has a touch screen
[14:52] <mhall119> seb128: I also want to try making a snappy app for a desktop app
[14:52] <seb128> mhall119, no need of wily if you want to try a snappy image...
[14:53] <seb128> you can build one from vivid, just get goget-ubuntu-touch from wily or from the snappy ppa
[14:54] <mhall119> oh, so I can build a wily-based snappy image from a vivid host?
[14:54] <mhall119> where do I get the goget-ubuntu-touch command from?
[14:56] <pitti> mhall119: that's a source package name, not a command; you probably want the ubuntu-device-flash binary package/command?
[15:02] <mhall119> seb128: what PPA should I use for that?
[15:02] <seb128> mhall119, I'm unsure the ppa is updated yet, check with sergiusen or get the deb from wily
[15:15] <Laney> anpok_: it's built in the silo now
[15:15] <Laney> is that everything?
[15:16] <anpok_> Laney: thank you!
[15:28] <seb128> mvo_, shrug, seems like ubuntu-snappy still doesn't migrate, or publisher takes a while...
[15:28]  * seb128 is pondering reverting the livecd-rootfs clickpkg->snappypkg changes to be able to have an iso build to test
[15:30] <Laney> skipped: ubuntu-snappy (6 <- 199) got: 51+0: a-51 * amd64: ubuntu-desktop-next
[15:31] <seb128> Laney, right, that was what we discussed around 3 hours ago with mvo
[15:31] <Laney> ah right
[15:31] <seb128> ubuntu-desktop-next was depending on system-image-snappy-cli which is deprecated
[15:31] <Laney> there's a fixed touch-meta though
[15:31] <seb128> mvo changed the seed and updated ubuntu-desktop-next
[15:31] <seb128> right
[15:31] <Laney> which doesn't go in ...
[15:31] <seb128> which doesn't migrate
[15:31] <seb128> but I don't understand why
[15:32] <Laney> well let's look at it!
[15:32] <seb128> I can't read those britney output
[15:32] <seb128> they don't make any sense to me
[15:57] <mitya57> tedg, hi, you now got a reply to your review on https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/libappindicator/create-as-service/+merge/263108
[16:13] <mvo_> seb128: I think germinate needs to run so that system-image-snappy-cli vanishes from the ubuntu-core seed
[16:14] <seb128> mvo_, is that something happening automagically or...
[16:14] <seb128> Laney, ^
[16:14] <mvo_> seb128: yes, will happen by itself
[16:16] <seb128> mvo_, when?
[16:17] <Laney> nein, germinate doesn't affect migration
[16:18] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11805416/
[16:18] <Laney> that is what is needed
[16:18]  * Laney adds it
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:22] <seb128> it's really non obvious to figure out those things
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, how do you determine that was what is needed?
[16:23] <seb128> can you tell from the log? or did you do manual poking?
[16:23] <Laney> seb128: the log was telling us that they both couldn't go in by themselves
[16:24] <Laney> but if you tried to install them manually at the same time it was fine
[16:24] <seb128> right, without telling why
[16:24] <Laney> so 'easy' is the way to say 'try putting these things in as a transaction'
[16:24] <seb128> I wish the tools was clever enough to try to resolve such loops by itself
[16:24] <Laney> it does have an autohinter that usually resolves transitions
[16:25] <Laney> but it's a hard problem in general
[16:25] <seb128> yeah, I imagine
[16:25] <seb128> so we need to wait next publisher to see if your hint is enough?
[16:26] <Laney> next proposed-migration run
[16:26] <Laney> which is happening now
[16:26] <seb128> k
[16:26] <seb128> let's see :-)
[16:26] <seb128> Laney, danke
[16:37] <mitya57> thanks tedg!
[16:38] <Laney> Copying: ubuntu-snappy/1.3ubuntu1
[16:38] <Laney> Copying: ubuntu-touch-meta/1.232
[16:43] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:43] <Laney> no problemo
[16:44]  * Laney is enjoying having the fan on
[16:55] <seb128> hum
[16:55] <seb128> "Ubuntu Desktop (Unity 8) amd64 (re-building)"
[16:55] <seb128> Laney, did you trigger a rebuild?
[16:55] <Laney> no
[16:55] <seb128> I wonder if that's a wrong status/due to the build fail from yesterday
[16:55]  * seb128 tries a new rebuild
[16:56]  * willcooke -> EOD
[16:56] <willcooke> I might go and sit in the kids paddling pool
[16:56] <willcooke> o/
[17:11] <seb128> bah, it seems to not work
[17:11] <seb128> retrying on i386 works
[17:11] <seb128> I guess the amd64 build is stuck on the "rebuild" status due to the previous built that failed
[17:12] <seb128> Laney, can you retry the amd64 from the command line?
[17:12] <Laney> shouldn't get stuck, check with stgraber why it did?
[17:13] <seb128> alright
[17:14] <Laney> better to fix it, but after that I can retry sure
[17:14] <Laney> ;-)
[17:14] <Laney> ah there's a "cancel" thing too
[17:14] <Laney> for the stuck re-build state
[17:15] <seb128> let's see if stgraber replies before trying that
[17:15] <seb128> in case the stuck state is useful for debug
[17:15] <Laney> indeed
[17:18] <Laney> something weird is going on here
[17:18] <Laney> in the last 10 minutes wasps keep coming in and then leaving again
[17:20] <seb128> shrug
[17:20] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210446892/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_i386_ubuntu-desktop-next_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:20] <seb128> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:20] <seb128>  system-image-snappy-cli : Conflicts: system-image-cli but 3.0.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[17:20] <seb128> why does it still try to install snappy-cli?
[17:21] <ogra_> because something else still depends on it
[17:22] <seb128> hum, I wonder if that's settings
[17:23] <ogra_> rdepends only shows ubuntu-snappy though
[17:25] <seb128> shrug, I don't get it :-/
[17:26] <Laney> this might be where you need to wait for germinate
[17:26] <seb128> when it germanite kicking in?
[17:26] <seb128> germinate
[17:26] <ogra_> when the publisher runs
[17:27] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ /srv/ubuntu-archive/bin/chdist apt-cache wily-proposed-amd64 show system-image-cli | grep Task
[17:27] <Laney> Task: ubuntu-desktop-next, ubuntu-touch
[17:27] <seb128> k, but we had a publisher since the promotion now...
[17:28] <seb128> well, let's see tomorrow morning if things are sorted out
[17:29] <Laney> it might be two cycles if it runs on the starting input or in parallel or something
[17:29] <seb128> k
[17:30] <ogra_> hmpf ...
[17:30] <ogra_> 21572 ogra      20   0 9865100 5,912g  71088 S  13,3 38,2 814:32.15 evolution
[17:30] <ogra_> 10513 ogra      20   0 4235248 2,550g  64936 S  11,0 16,5 766:57.26 firefox
[17:31] <ogra_> long running processes ... :P
[17:31]  * ogra_ didnt actually know top knows "g" for RES
[17:33]  * Laney is off to assemble a fancy dress costume
[17:33]  * Laney pats ogra_ 
[17:33] <Laney> bye!
[17:33] <ogra_> heh, bye