| GridCube | that is alright, you can install a base system there | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| GridCube | if you install stuff it will fill eventually | 00:00 |
| GridCube | you can have a storage partition that you can share among several OS, usually in ntfs | 00:01 |
| bekks | windows_babby: yes, thats unwise. | 00:01 |
| GridCube | your /home/ partition should have more space than that | 00:01 |
| bekks | The /home can be quite small, when having a separate /data partition. | 00:01 |
| GridCube | and your /home/ partition has to be a linux kind of partition, it needs the permission bits for the directories | 00:01 |
| GridCube | but beyond that you can go crazy :P | 00:02 |
| windows_babby | so I should have a "/" partition and a " | 00:02 |
| windows_babby | home" partition? damn this keyboard | 00:02 |
| GridCube | i usually like [boot][/][/home][/data][another OS] | 00:03 |
| GridCube | and swap | 00:03 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, thats the most razonable yes | 00:03 |
| GridCube | your /home will fill with stuff eventually | 00:03 |
| windows_babby | I'm unclear as to the specifics/purposes of each mount point. so I make the "/" partition to install xubuntu into, and when using it installed programs and files will pool into the "home" partition? | 00:05 |
| bekks | No. | 00:05 |
| GridCube | no, just config data thats pertinent to your user will go to /home | 00:06 |
| bekks | / will hold your "installation", along with all "programs". /bot is used for holding the files needed for booting, /home contains your user configs and personal file. | 00:06 |
| GridCube | like browser cookies and stuff like that | 00:06 |
| bekks | *files | 00:06 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, :) look at my partition table http://pastebin.com/BjviyK0d | 00:07 |
| GridCube | my /home is not a partition, thats why my / is 62GB full :P | 00:08 |
| GridCube | but other directories inside my /home are their own partitions | 00:08 |
| windows_babby | I'm sorry grid, but you've lost me. I'm not even sure how many hard drives I'm looking at there | 00:12 |
| windows_babby | instead, might I ask the ideal way for me to partition a 120gb ssd? I'm only looking to store all personal files, and play the occaisonal steam game | 00:13 |
| GridCube | 3, sda sdb and sdc :) | 00:13 |
| GridCube | are you gonna install windows as well? | 00:13 |
| windows_babby | then what are the nones, the udev, and the tmpfs? | 00:13 |
| windows_babby | on the 1tb hdd, I'd like to know what I'm doing with linux beforehand though | 00:14 |
| drc | windows_babby: do you plan on hibernating/suspending (and how much RAM do you have)? | 00:14 |
| GridCube | no idea, those are created by the OS, and i never learned where they come from or what are they for | 00:14 |
| bekks | windows_babby: Those others are just needed. :) | 00:14 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, alright, im assuming you have an uefi machine, so you will need a mbr partition first of all, this is mandatory to get dual boot | 00:15 |
| GridCube | !uefi | read more here windows_babby | 00:15 |
| ubottu | read more here windows_babby: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 00:15 |
| GridCube | beyond that id create a 10gb partition for / and leave the rest for /home | 00:16 |
| windows_babby | no, I shut off every time I'm done. as far as I understand this means I have little need for a swap partition, but if I should make one it should match the 16gb of ram I have | 00:16 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, that rule is pretty old, with nowdays tons of ram, but ubuntu demands a swap partition anyway and will create one for you | 00:17 |
| GridCube | it can be a 1gb swap, it doesnt really matter nowdays | 00:17 |
| bekks | Unless you use suspend to disk, it doesnt matter. | 00:18 |
| GridCube | thats my opinion though, some might have different ones | 00:18 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, you can also let the installer do whatever it seems more efficient by itself when you are installing | 00:19 |
| windows_babby | so, barebones partitioning setup = 10gb /, 105gb home, 5gb swap? | 00:20 |
| GridCube | yes | 00:20 |
| GridCube | that sounds good | 00:20 |
| GridCube | :) | 00:20 |
| windows_babby | great. now about about my machine being a uefi one, | 00:20 |
| GridCube | if you have the separated /home you can reinstall the OS and not loose your data :D | 00:20 |
| GridCube | lose | 00:21 |
| GridCube | loose loooose | 00:21 |
| GridCube | lüs | 00:21 |
| bekks | windows_babby: / 10GB is pretty small. better use 30GB. | 00:21 |
| windows_babby | I vaguely recall doing work on my machine months ago that told me my machine was uefi, however attempting to reinstall/fix my windows I was told that my machine was instead gpt | 00:21 |
| windows_babby | also, what exactly goes into the / partition again? | 00:22 |
| drc | bekks: why? with a 10 gig /, it's only half full | 00:22 |
| drc | on my machine | 00:22 |
| GridCube | bekks, you dont need that much really | 00:22 |
| bekks | Install a bunch of software and it wont be enough. | 00:22 |
| drc | unless one plans on a large/full /tmp or /var, that seems excessive | 00:23 |
| drc | if one plans on a LOT of apps, maybe 12 or 16 gig / | 00:23 |
| windows_babby | what defines "apps" here and why are they not going into /home? | 00:24 |
| bekks | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes | 00:24 |
| bekks | windows_babby: The concept of the usage of specific standard folders. | 00:25 |
| drc | this discussion is useless | 00:25 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, applications are programs you install from the ubuntu software center, they dont go to your home | 00:26 |
| GridCube | home only hosts your files and your config files | 00:26 |
| GridCube | you only need the 3 partitions you said before | 00:26 |
| bekks | Technically, you need / only. | 00:26 |
| GridCube | and thats pretty much it | 00:26 |
| GridCube | bekks, you are not helping | 00:27 |
| bekks | GridCube: Because I am pointing out the inconsistencies in your statements? OK, thats not helpful for you. | 00:27 |
| GridCube | again, the house analogy, you can have everything in the same room, but its not a good idea | 00:27 |
| windows_babby | people please you're helping somebody and doing a very good job, don't jeapordize it | 00:28 |
| bekks | windows_babby: Are you using a SSD? | 00:28 |
| windows_babby | so for example, firefox and steam and media players would go into / and personal files and media would go into home? | 00:28 |
| windows_babby | for xubuntu, yes? | 00:28 |
| windows_babby | *yes | 00:28 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, yes, but steam game data and games would go to /home/yourname/.steam | 00:29 |
| windows_babby | and my firefox bookmarks and downloaded files and cookies would go into /home as well? | 00:29 |
| GridCube | the steam software itself will reside on /usr/bin/steam | 00:30 |
| GridCube | yes windows_babby | 00:30 |
| GridCube | but the firefox binary will go to /usr/bin/firefox | 00:30 |
| GridCube | :) | 00:30 |
| windows_babby | regretting that name atm haha | 00:30 |
| GridCube | /nick newNick | 00:31 |
| windows_babby | so might I ask what the differences between ext2-3-4 are? | 00:31 |
| GridCube | i dont really know | 00:31 |
| windows_babby | oh please I don't care THAT much, thanks though | 00:31 |
| GridCube | wikipedia should | 00:31 |
| windows_babby | so essentially arbitrary then, great | 00:31 |
| GridCube | i think it has to do with the way the files are re-organized on the disk, basically ext ensures theres no fragmentation | 00:32 |
| GridCube | your drive would need to be hella full to have notizable fragmentation | 00:33 |
| windows_babby | I don't see anything in the mount points that would denote a "swap" partition, but when I first installed eOS I don't quite recall making a swap anyways | 00:34 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, swap is not mounted | 00:35 |
| GridCube | its to be activated | 00:35 |
| GridCube | that means, it doesnt have a mount point on your directory tree | 00:36 |
| windows_babby | so I make my swap partition by doing what? | 00:37 |
| GridCube | you create a partition, at the end of your drive and you format it as swap then when you boot the system it detects a swap partition and activates it, or you can manually activate it | 00:38 |
| GridCube | !man swapon | 00:38 |
| GridCube | !info swapon | 00:39 |
| ubottu | Package swapon does not exist in vivid | 00:39 |
| GridCube | what | 00:39 |
| GridCube | wait it might be part of other package | 00:39 |
| GridCube | or just a command | 00:39 |
| GridCube | swapon, swapoff - enable/disable devices and files for paging and swap‐ | 00:39 |
| windows_babby | would that be something I can do after I actually install xubuntu into this ssd? | 00:41 |
| GridCube | sure | 00:41 |
| GridCube | though i dont know if the ubuntu installer lets you proceed the installation without it | 00:42 |
| GridCube | last time i tried it asked me to create one | 00:42 |
| windows_babby | I mean I typed both those commands into the terminal (well, "terminal emulator") and nothing happened | 00:42 |
| GridCube | its not technically necesary, but the installer wants it anway | 00:42 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, do man swapon | 00:42 |
| GridCube | and read the proper way to do it :) | 00:42 |
| windows_babby | ah, shoulda ditched the ! | 00:42 |
| windows_babby | nothing here makes sense to me | 00:45 |
| GridCube | dont worry | 00:45 |
| GridCube | you dont need to know any of that | 00:45 |
| windows_babby | I'd like to, though | 00:45 |
| GridCube | the OS takes care of that on boot time | 00:45 |
| windows_babby | I very nearly gave up on linux trying to fix this computer last night ;_; | 00:45 |
| GridCube | :P read more and you will be happier | 00:46 |
| GridCube | man everything! | 00:46 |
| windows_babby | okay so can I manually activate my swap partition from this !man swapon terminal menu? | 00:47 |
| GridCube | no | 00:47 |
| GridCube | thats the manual page for the swapon command | 00:47 |
| GridCube | you can man firefox or man thunar or man man | 00:48 |
| GridCube | man just calls the manual page for the application | 00:48 |
| GridCube | and then it tells you how to use the application | 00:48 |
| windows_babby | okay wow I just found that I can do it from the same dropdown menu that allows me to choose between ext2, ext3, etc. | 00:50 |
| GridCube | :) | 00:50 |
| windows_babby | should my /home be ext4 too if my / is? | 00:50 |
| GridCube | yes | 00:51 |
| GridCube | well it can be any linux format | 00:51 |
| GridCube | it needs to have the proper permission bits | 00:52 |
| GridCube | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions | 00:52 |
| GridCube | that means, it can not be fat32 or ntfs or like that | 00:52 |
| windows_babby | got it | 00:53 |
| windows_babby | so my ssd is properly partitioned, now to toy with the hdd where I will be installing windows | 00:53 |
| GridCube | installing windows first is a good idea, i would do so by unplugging the sdd first | 00:55 |
| GridCube | then pluggin the sdd back after windows is renstalled and proceed to install linux there :) | 00:55 |
| windows_babby | I see three partitions; a 104mb efi which is the boot partition if I'm not mistaken (which I accidentally wiped), a 134mb unspecified partition with unknown amount of space used, and the rest of it which is ntfs which I would like to format | 00:56 |
| windows_babby | I don't get the option to format it unless I do something in the "change..." menu | 00:56 |
| GridCube | its probably mounted | 00:56 |
| GridCube | you probablyneed to umount it | 00:56 |
| GridCube | or if its ntfs and was "blocked" by windows, then you are in a pickle :P | 00:57 |
| GridCube | microsoft doesnt really like other OS meddling with theirs | 00:57 |
| GridCube | so they dont play fair and block their partitions if something goes "wrong" | 00:58 |
| windows_babby | so if it is ntfs, I am given the option to change it and reformat it if I choose something in the "use as menu" | 00:59 |
| GridCube | maybe? | 00:59 |
| windows_babby | what could go wrong if I just chose ntfs, and checked the format box? | 00:59 |
| GridCube | i dont really know what you are doing there buddy | 00:59 |
| GridCube | you would lose all data on the hdd | 00:59 |
| windows_babby | yeah I'm kinda prepared for that | 01:00 |
| windows_babby | I moved all the important stuff to my external, under a folder named "YOUR FAILURE" | 01:00 |
| GridCube | lol | 01:00 |
| GridCube | well then you should be safe | 01:00 |
| windows_babby | in theory I guess, hey that's what science is all about right? | 01:01 |
| windows_babby | my problem is | 01:02 |
| windows_babby | when I last booted from this usb and it had a copy of windows on it, when I attempted to use it to repair my windows I was told I couldn't and then something about my machine being gpt | 01:02 |
| windows_babby | could that be fixed by just nuking everything on this dumb drive from here | 01:03 |
| GridCube | i have no experience with windows since 7 | 01:04 |
| GridCube | so, i dont know | 01:04 |
| windows_babby | what if I told you this was windows 7 | 01:04 |
| GridCube | as said, i have no experience since it | 01:05 |
| windows_babby | dang | 01:05 |
| windows_babby | in that case how would I go about seeing whether my machine was uefi or gpt? because working on it some months back I vaguely remember knowing it was uefi | 01:05 |
| GridCube | !uefi | 01:06 |
| ubottu | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 01:06 |
| GridCube | ^ read | 01:06 |
| windows_babby | very helpful | 01:08 |
| windows_babby | thanks a ton, grid. you're way better than my absolute dickhead of a roommate was with linux help | 01:08 |
| GridCube | windows_babby, as i said before, :D reading will make you happier | 01:09 |
| windows_babby | take care now! | 01:09 |
| GridCube | if you ever saw a hackers movie, those are frelling awful, because you know what does a hacker does for hours and hours and hours just to find a single silly mistake someone made? | 01:09 |
| GridCube | they read P: and read, and read | 01:10 |
| GridCube | though i guess that doesnt make an exciting movie | 01:10 |
| nikolam | Hi, coud someone please download eee.txt for me from ubuntuforums? I don't know my password here and now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=870663&page=2 | 11:08 |
| nikolam | you can put it on pastebin, etc | 11:09 |
| slickymasterWork | here you go nikolam -> http://pastebin.com/x9j7Afd4 | 11:12 |
| nikolam | thanks slickymasterWork ! :) | 11:13 |
| slickymasterWork | np | 11:14 |
| __amine__ | hello, I'm trying to boot from xubuntu iso file, after the splash screen loads a moment, I get a message in command line: unable to find a medium containing a live file system | 12:59 |
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| NewUser | Hello to everybody, i would like to ask if it is possible to have flash content in firefox (like radio station streamings ) without installing xubuntu-restricted-extras, i dont want to install adobe flash player if possible! | 13:22 |
| cfhowlett | !flash | NewUser | 13:23 |
| ubottu | NewUser: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash | 13:23 |
| NewUser | hi ubottu, i will follow the link, thanks for your time and help! | 13:24 |
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| NewUser | ...i said thanx to a bot, oh me! is there some firefox add on that allows me to use flash content? as i said before i dont want to install adobe flash player (or use chromium/e) | 13:30 |
| cfhowlett | NewUser, have to ask firefox about that | 13:31 |
| cfhowlett | or search ffox add-ons | 13:31 |
| NewUser | i did a search without any results there, i asked here because firefox comes with xubuntu, thank you anyway cfowlett! | 13:35 |
| GridCube | NewUser: i remember vlc had an addon to replace flash | 13:36 |
| GridCube | back in the days | 13:36 |
| NewUser | thank you gridcube, if i find somethink i will post it! | 13:45 |
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| nluxend | hey, my copy of xubuntu seems intent on acting like my / partition is the only partition available for storage. my first time installing I had a basic /, home, swap, and boot setup which didn't work so when I let it work on its own I had a /, media/numbersandletters, swap, and boot partitioning setup that seemed intent on putting everything into the 10gb / setup and nothing into the vastly larger media/blahblahblah partition. did I | 22:59 |
| nluxend | I think I'm just going to make the / partition the whole hard drive | 23:13 |
| nluxend | what could go wrong? | 23:14 |
| nluxend | come on, I've watched a whole episode of scrubs. is there anybody here? please? | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | nluxend: somethng like /media should be for personal/media files, xubuntu has set locations to put everything else like in /usr and /var which in your setup would land under / | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | nluxend: it doesn't strictly know about /media and won't put system or application files there | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | if you know how much is going to go in /usr or /var you can set those up as separate partitions, but that's a more advanced configuration | 23:33 |
| nluxend | so in theory stuff like personal pictures and music would be going into /media? | 23:33 |
| pleia2 | sure | 23:33 |
| Unit193 | You can even remap that in .config/user-dirs.dirs | 23:34 |
| nluxend | what does "sure" mean? | 23:36 |
| GridCube | sure means, you are your own boss | 23:36 |
| nluxend | my problem is my /home/user folders were in the same 10gb partition the OS was installed to; nothing was going into that large media partition | 23:37 |
| nluxend | ...is the shell restricted to the OS partition, and everything downloaded will go in there? | 23:38 |
| nluxend | unless otherwise moved? | 23:38 |
| nluxend | the answer to that is yes isn't it, ah christ I'm an idiot | 23:40 |
| nluxend | thanks everybody | 23:40 |
| GridCube | shell downloads wherever you launch the command or where you tell the command to store | 23:40 |
| xubuntu27w | Wow! Full channel. = ) | 23:59 |
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