[00:00] <GridCube> that is alright, you can install a base system there
[00:00] <GridCube> if you install stuff it will fill eventually
[00:01] <GridCube> you can have a storage partition that you can share among several OS, usually in ntfs
[00:01] <bekks> windows_babby: yes, thats unwise.
[00:01] <GridCube> your /home/ partition should have more space than that
[00:01] <bekks> The /home can be quite small, when having a separate /data partition.
[00:01] <GridCube> and your /home/ partition has to be a linux kind of partition, it needs the permission bits for the directories
[00:02] <GridCube> but beyond that you can go crazy :P
[00:02] <windows_babby> so I should have a "/" partition and a "
[00:02] <windows_babby> home" partition? damn this keyboard
[00:03] <GridCube> i usually like [boot][/][/home][/data][another OS]
[00:03] <GridCube> and swap
[00:03] <GridCube> windows_babby, thats the most razonable yes
[00:03] <GridCube> your /home will fill with stuff eventually
[00:05] <windows_babby> I'm unclear as to the specifics/purposes of each mount point. so I make the "/" partition to install xubuntu into, and when using it installed programs and files will pool into the "home" partition?
[00:05] <bekks> No.
[00:06] <GridCube> no, just config data thats pertinent to your user will go to /home
[00:06] <bekks>  / will hold your "installation", along with all "programs". /bot is used for holding the files needed for booting, /home contains your user configs and personal file.
[00:06] <GridCube> like browser cookies and stuff like that
[00:06] <bekks> *files
[00:07] <GridCube> windows_babby, :) look at my partition table http://pastebin.com/BjviyK0d
[00:08] <GridCube> my /home is not a partition, thats why my / is 62GB full :P
[00:08] <GridCube> but other directories inside my /home are their own partitions
[00:12] <windows_babby> I'm sorry grid, but you've lost me. I'm not even sure how many hard drives I'm looking at there
[00:13] <windows_babby> instead, might I ask the ideal way for me to partition a 120gb ssd? I'm only looking to store all personal files, and play the occaisonal steam game
[00:13] <GridCube> 3, sda sdb and sdc :)
[00:13] <GridCube> are you gonna install windows as well?
[00:13] <windows_babby> then what are the nones, the udev, and the tmpfs?
[00:14] <windows_babby> on the 1tb hdd, I'd like to know what I'm doing with linux beforehand though
[00:14] <drc> windows_babby: do you plan on hibernating/suspending (and how much RAM do you have)?
[00:14] <GridCube> no idea, those are created by the OS, and i never learned where they come from or what are they for
[00:14] <bekks> windows_babby: Those others are just needed. :)
[00:15] <GridCube> windows_babby, alright, im assuming you have an uefi machine, so you will need a mbr partition first of all, this is mandatory to get dual boot
[00:15] <GridCube> !uefi | read more here windows_babby
[00:16] <GridCube> beyond that id create a 10gb partition for / and leave the rest for /home
[00:16] <windows_babby> no, I shut off every time I'm done. as far as I understand this means I have little need for a swap partition, but if I should make one it should match the 16gb of ram I have
[00:17] <GridCube> windows_babby, that rule is pretty old, with nowdays tons of ram, but ubuntu demands a swap partition anyway and will create one for you
[00:17] <GridCube> it can be a 1gb swap, it doesnt really matter nowdays
[00:18] <bekks> Unless you use suspend to disk, it doesnt matter.
[00:18] <GridCube> thats my opinion though, some might have different ones
[00:19] <GridCube> windows_babby, you can also let the installer do whatever it seems more efficient by itself when you are installing
[00:20] <windows_babby> so, barebones partitioning setup = 10gb /, 105gb home, 5gb swap?
[00:20] <GridCube> yes
[00:20] <GridCube> that sounds good
[00:20] <GridCube> :)
[00:20] <windows_babby> great. now about about my machine being a uefi one,
[00:20] <GridCube> if you have the separated /home you can reinstall the OS and not loose your data :D
[00:21] <GridCube> lose
[00:21] <GridCube> loose loooose
[00:21] <GridCube> lüs
[00:21] <bekks> windows_babby: / 10GB is pretty small. better use 30GB.
[00:21] <windows_babby> I vaguely recall doing work on my machine months ago that told me my machine was uefi, however attempting to reinstall/fix my windows I was told that my machine was instead gpt
[00:22] <windows_babby> also, what exactly goes into the / partition again?
[00:22] <drc> bekks: why?   with a 10 gig /, it's only half full
[00:22] <drc> on my machine
[00:22] <GridCube> bekks, you dont need that much really
[00:22] <bekks> Install a bunch of software and it wont be enough.
[00:23] <drc> unless one plans on a large/full /tmp or /var, that seems excessive
[00:23] <drc> if one plans on a LOT of apps, maybe 12 or 16 gig /
[00:24] <windows_babby> what defines "apps" here and why are they not going into /home?
[00:24] <bekks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
[00:25] <bekks> windows_babby: The concept of the usage of specific standard folders.
[00:25] <drc> this discussion is useless
[00:26] <GridCube> windows_babby, applications are programs you install from the ubuntu software center, they dont go to your home
[00:26] <GridCube> home only hosts your files and your config files
[00:26] <GridCube> you only need the 3 partitions you said before
[00:26] <bekks> Technically, you need / only.
[00:26] <GridCube> and thats pretty much it
[00:27] <GridCube> bekks, you are not helping
[00:27] <bekks> GridCube: Because I am pointing out the inconsistencies in your statements? OK, thats not helpful for you.
[00:27] <GridCube> again, the house analogy, you can have everything in the same room, but its not a good idea
[00:28] <windows_babby> people please you're helping somebody and doing a very good job, don't jeapordize it
[00:28] <bekks> windows_babby: Are you using a SSD?
[00:28] <windows_babby> so for example, firefox and steam and media players would go into / and personal files and media would go into home?
[00:28] <windows_babby> for xubuntu, yes?
[00:28] <windows_babby> *yes
[00:29] <GridCube> windows_babby, yes, but steam game data and games would go to /home/yourname/.steam
[00:29] <windows_babby> and my firefox bookmarks and downloaded files and cookies would go into /home as well?
[00:30] <GridCube> the steam software itself will reside on /usr/bin/steam
[00:30] <GridCube> yes windows_babby
[00:30] <GridCube> but the firefox binary will go to /usr/bin/firefox
[00:30] <GridCube> :)
[00:30] <windows_babby> regretting that name atm haha
[00:31] <GridCube> /nick newNick
[00:31] <windows_babby> so might I ask what the differences between ext2-3-4 are?
[00:31] <GridCube> i dont really know
[00:31] <windows_babby> oh please I don't care THAT much, thanks though
[00:31] <GridCube> wikipedia should
[00:31] <windows_babby> so essentially arbitrary then, great
[00:32] <GridCube> i think it has to do with the way the files are re-organized on the disk, basically ext ensures theres no fragmentation
[00:33] <GridCube> your drive would need to be hella full to have notizable fragmentation
[00:34] <windows_babby> I don't see anything in the mount points that would denote a "swap" partition, but when I first installed eOS I don't quite recall making a swap anyways
[00:35] <GridCube> windows_babby, swap is not mounted
[00:35] <GridCube> its to be activated
[00:36] <GridCube> that means, it doesnt have a mount point on your directory tree
[00:37] <windows_babby> so I make my swap partition by doing what?
[00:38] <GridCube> you create a partition, at the end of your drive and you format it as swap then when you boot the system it detects a swap partition and activates it, or you can manually activate it
[00:38] <GridCube> !man swapon
[00:39] <GridCube> !info swapon
[00:39] <GridCube> what
[00:39] <GridCube> wait it might be part of other package
[00:39] <GridCube> or just a command
[00:39] <GridCube>  swapon, swapoff - enable/disable devices and files for paging and swap‐
[00:41] <windows_babby> would that be something I can do after I actually install xubuntu into this ssd?
[00:41] <GridCube> sure
[00:42] <GridCube> though i dont know if the ubuntu installer lets you proceed the installation without it
[00:42] <GridCube> last time i tried it asked me to create one
[00:42] <windows_babby> I mean I typed both those commands into the terminal (well, "terminal emulator") and nothing happened
[00:42] <GridCube> its not technically necesary, but the installer wants it anway
[00:42] <GridCube> windows_babby, do man swapon
[00:42] <GridCube> and read the proper way to do it :)
[00:42] <windows_babby> ah, shoulda ditched the !
[00:45] <windows_babby> nothing here makes sense to me
[00:45] <GridCube> dont worry
[00:45] <GridCube> you dont need to know any of that
[00:45] <windows_babby> I'd like to, though
[00:45] <GridCube> the OS takes care of that on boot time
[00:45] <windows_babby> I very nearly gave up on linux trying to fix this computer last night ;_;
[00:46] <GridCube> :P read more and you will be happier
[00:46] <GridCube> man everything!
[00:47] <windows_babby> okay so can I manually activate my swap partition from this !man swapon terminal menu?
[00:47] <GridCube> no
[00:47] <GridCube> thats the manual page for the swapon command
[00:48] <GridCube> you can man firefox or man thunar or man man
[00:48] <GridCube> man just calls the manual page for the application
[00:48] <GridCube> and then it tells you how to use the application
[00:50] <windows_babby> okay wow I just found that I can do it from the same dropdown menu that allows me to choose between ext2, ext3, etc.
[00:50] <GridCube> :)
[00:50] <windows_babby> should my /home be ext4 too if my / is?
[00:51] <GridCube> yes
[00:51] <GridCube> well it can be any linux format
[00:52] <GridCube> it needs to have the proper permission bits
[00:52] <GridCube> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions
[00:52] <GridCube> that means, it can not be fat32 or ntfs or like that
[00:53] <windows_babby> got it
[00:53] <windows_babby> so my ssd is properly partitioned, now to toy with the hdd where I will be installing windows
[00:55] <GridCube> installing windows first is a good idea, i would do so by unplugging the sdd first
[00:55] <GridCube> then pluggin the sdd back after windows is renstalled and proceed to install linux there :)
[00:56] <windows_babby> I see three partitions; a 104mb efi which is the boot partition if I'm not mistaken (which I accidentally wiped), a 134mb unspecified partition with unknown amount of space used, and the rest of it which is ntfs which I would like to format
[00:56] <windows_babby> I don't get the option to format it unless I do something in the "change..." menu
[00:56] <GridCube> its probably mounted
[00:56] <GridCube> you probablyneed to umount it
[00:57] <GridCube> or if its ntfs and was "blocked" by windows, then you are in a pickle :P
[00:57] <GridCube> microsoft doesnt really like other OS meddling with theirs
[00:58] <GridCube> so they dont play fair and block their partitions if something goes "wrong"
[00:59] <windows_babby> so if it is ntfs, I am given the option to change it and reformat it if I choose something in the "use as menu"
[00:59] <GridCube> maybe?
[00:59] <windows_babby> what could go wrong if I just chose  ntfs, and checked the format box?
[00:59] <GridCube> i dont really know what you are doing there buddy
[00:59] <GridCube> you would lose all data on the hdd
[01:00] <windows_babby> yeah I'm kinda prepared for that
[01:00] <windows_babby> I moved all the important stuff to my external, under a folder named "YOUR FAILURE"
[01:00] <GridCube> lol
[01:00] <GridCube> well then you should be safe
[01:01] <windows_babby> in theory I guess, hey that's what science is all about right?
[01:02] <windows_babby> my problem is
[01:02] <windows_babby> when I last booted from this usb and it had a copy of windows on it, when I attempted to use it to repair my windows I was told I couldn't and then something about my machine being gpt
[01:03] <windows_babby> could that be fixed by just nuking everything on this dumb drive from here
[01:04] <GridCube> i have no experience with windows since 7
[01:04] <GridCube> so, i dont know
[01:04] <windows_babby> what if I told you this was windows 7
[01:05] <GridCube> as said, i have no experience since it
[01:05] <windows_babby> dang
[01:05] <windows_babby> in that case how would I go about seeing whether my machine was uefi or gpt? because working on it some months back I vaguely remember knowing it was uefi
[01:06] <GridCube> !uefi
[01:06] <GridCube> ^ read
[01:08] <windows_babby> very helpful
[01:08] <windows_babby> thanks a ton, grid. you're way better than my absolute dickhead of a roommate was with linux help
[01:09] <GridCube> windows_babby, as i said before, :D reading will make you happier
[01:09] <windows_babby> take care now!
[01:09] <GridCube> if you ever saw a hackers movie, those are frelling awful, because you know what does a hacker does for hours and hours and hours just to find a single silly mistake someone made?
[01:10] <GridCube> they read P: and read, and read
[01:10] <GridCube> though i guess that doesnt make an exciting movie
[11:08] <nikolam> Hi, coud someone please download eee.txt for me from ubuntuforums? I don't know my password here and now:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=870663&page=2
[11:09] <nikolam> you can put it on pastebin, etc
[11:12] <slickymasterWork> here you go nikolam -> http://pastebin.com/x9j7Afd4
[11:13] <nikolam> thanks slickymasterWork ! :)
[11:14] <slickymasterWork> np
[12:59] <__amine__> hello, I'm trying to boot from xubuntu iso file, after the splash screen loads a moment, I get a message in command line: unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[13:22] <NewUser> Hello to everybody, i would like to ask if it is possible to have flash content in firefox (like radio station streamings ) without installing xubuntu-restricted-extras, i dont want to install adobe flash player if possible!
[13:23] <cfhowlett> !flash | NewUser
[13:24] <NewUser> hi ubottu, i will follow the link, thanks for your time and help!
[13:30] <NewUser> ...i said thanx to a bot, oh me! is there some firefox add on that allows me to use flash content? as i said before i dont want to install adobe flash player (or use chromium/e)
[13:31] <cfhowlett> NewUser, have to ask firefox about that
[13:31] <cfhowlett> or search ffox add-ons
[13:35] <NewUser> i did a search without any results there, i asked here because firefox comes with xubuntu, thank you anyway cfowlett!
[13:36] <GridCube> NewUser: i remember vlc had an addon to replace flash
[13:36] <GridCube> back in the days
[13:45] <NewUser> thank you gridcube, if i find somethink i will post it!
[17:23] <xubuntu76w> Hi! Can someone help me with Xubuntu suspend settings?
[22:59] <nluxend> hey, my copy of xubuntu seems intent on acting like my / partition is the only partition available for storage. my first time installing I had a basic /, home, swap, and boot setup which didn't work so when I let it work on its own I had a /, media/numbersandletters, swap, and boot partitioning setup that seemed intent on putting everything into the 10gb / setup and nothing into the vastly larger media/blahblahblah partition. did I 
[23:13] <nluxend> I think I'm just going to make the / partition the whole hard drive
[23:14] <nluxend> what could go wrong?
[23:28] <nluxend> come on, I've watched a whole episode of scrubs. is there anybody here? please?
[23:31] <pleia2> nluxend: somethng like /media should be for personal/media files, xubuntu has set locations to put everything else like in /usr and /var which in your setup would land under /
[23:32] <pleia2> nluxend: it doesn't strictly know about /media and won't put system or application files there
[23:33] <pleia2> if you know how much is going to go in /usr or /var you can set those up as separate partitions, but that's a more advanced configuration
[23:33] <nluxend> so in theory stuff like personal pictures and music would be going into /media?
[23:33] <pleia2> sure
[23:34] <Unit193> You can even remap that in .config/user-dirs.dirs
[23:36] <nluxend> what does "sure" mean?
[23:36] <GridCube> sure means, you are your own boss
[23:37] <nluxend> my problem is my /home/user folders were in the same 10gb partition the OS was installed to; nothing was going into that large media partition
[23:38] <nluxend> ...is the shell restricted to the OS partition, and everything downloaded will go in there?
[23:38] <nluxend> unless otherwise moved?
[23:40] <nluxend> the answer to that is yes isn't it, ah christ I'm an idiot
[23:40] <nluxend> thanks everybody
[23:40] <GridCube> shell downloads wherever you launch the command or where you tell the command to store
[23:59] <xubuntu27w> Wow! Full channel. = )