[00:00] that is alright, you can install a base system there [00:00] if you install stuff it will fill eventually [00:01] you can have a storage partition that you can share among several OS, usually in ntfs [00:01] windows_babby: yes, thats unwise. [00:01] your /home/ partition should have more space than that [00:01] The /home can be quite small, when having a separate /data partition. [00:01] and your /home/ partition has to be a linux kind of partition, it needs the permission bits for the directories [00:02] but beyond that you can go crazy :P [00:02] so I should have a "/" partition and a " [00:02] home" partition? damn this keyboard [00:03] i usually like [boot][/][/home][/data][another OS] [00:03] and swap [00:03] windows_babby, thats the most razonable yes [00:03] your /home will fill with stuff eventually [00:05] I'm unclear as to the specifics/purposes of each mount point. so I make the "/" partition to install xubuntu into, and when using it installed programs and files will pool into the "home" partition? [00:05] No. [00:06] no, just config data thats pertinent to your user will go to /home [00:06] / will hold your "installation", along with all "programs". /bot is used for holding the files needed for booting, /home contains your user configs and personal file. [00:06] like browser cookies and stuff like that [00:06] *files [00:07] windows_babby, :) look at my partition table http://pastebin.com/BjviyK0d [00:08] my /home is not a partition, thats why my / is 62GB full :P [00:08] but other directories inside my /home are their own partitions [00:12] I'm sorry grid, but you've lost me. I'm not even sure how many hard drives I'm looking at there [00:13] instead, might I ask the ideal way for me to partition a 120gb ssd? I'm only looking to store all personal files, and play the occaisonal steam game [00:13] 3, sda sdb and sdc :) [00:13] are you gonna install windows as well? [00:13] then what are the nones, the udev, and the tmpfs? [00:14] on the 1tb hdd, I'd like to know what I'm doing with linux beforehand though [00:14] windows_babby: do you plan on hibernating/suspending (and how much RAM do you have)? [00:14] no idea, those are created by the OS, and i never learned where they come from or what are they for [00:14] windows_babby: Those others are just needed. :) [00:15] windows_babby, alright, im assuming you have an uefi machine, so you will need a mbr partition first of all, this is mandatory to get dual boot [00:15] !uefi | read more here windows_babby [00:15] read more here windows_babby: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [00:16] beyond that id create a 10gb partition for / and leave the rest for /home [00:16] no, I shut off every time I'm done. as far as I understand this means I have little need for a swap partition, but if I should make one it should match the 16gb of ram I have [00:17] windows_babby, that rule is pretty old, with nowdays tons of ram, but ubuntu demands a swap partition anyway and will create one for you [00:17] it can be a 1gb swap, it doesnt really matter nowdays [00:18] Unless you use suspend to disk, it doesnt matter. [00:18] thats my opinion though, some might have different ones [00:19] windows_babby, you can also let the installer do whatever it seems more efficient by itself when you are installing [00:20] so, barebones partitioning setup = 10gb /, 105gb home, 5gb swap? [00:20] yes [00:20] that sounds good [00:20] :) [00:20] great. now about about my machine being a uefi one, [00:20] if you have the separated /home you can reinstall the OS and not loose your data :D [00:21] lose [00:21] loose loooose [00:21] lüs [00:21] windows_babby: / 10GB is pretty small. better use 30GB. [00:21] I vaguely recall doing work on my machine months ago that told me my machine was uefi, however attempting to reinstall/fix my windows I was told that my machine was instead gpt [00:22] also, what exactly goes into the / partition again? [00:22] bekks: why? with a 10 gig /, it's only half full [00:22] on my machine [00:22] bekks, you dont need that much really [00:22] Install a bunch of software and it wont be enough. [00:23] unless one plans on a large/full /tmp or /var, that seems excessive [00:23] if one plans on a LOT of apps, maybe 12 or 16 gig / [00:24] what defines "apps" here and why are they not going into /home? [00:24] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes [00:25] windows_babby: The concept of the usage of specific standard folders. [00:25] this discussion is useless [00:26] windows_babby, applications are programs you install from the ubuntu software center, they dont go to your home [00:26] home only hosts your files and your config files [00:26] you only need the 3 partitions you said before [00:26] Technically, you need / only. [00:26] and thats pretty much it [00:27] bekks, you are not helping [00:27] GridCube: Because I am pointing out the inconsistencies in your statements? OK, thats not helpful for you. [00:27] again, the house analogy, you can have everything in the same room, but its not a good idea [00:28] people please you're helping somebody and doing a very good job, don't jeapordize it [00:28] windows_babby: Are you using a SSD? [00:28] so for example, firefox and steam and media players would go into / and personal files and media would go into home? [00:28] for xubuntu, yes? [00:28] *yes [00:29] windows_babby, yes, but steam game data and games would go to /home/yourname/.steam [00:29] and my firefox bookmarks and downloaded files and cookies would go into /home as well? [00:30] the steam software itself will reside on /usr/bin/steam [00:30] yes windows_babby [00:30] but the firefox binary will go to /usr/bin/firefox [00:30] :) [00:30] regretting that name atm haha [00:31] /nick newNick [00:31] so might I ask what the differences between ext2-3-4 are? [00:31] i dont really know [00:31] oh please I don't care THAT much, thanks though [00:31] wikipedia should [00:31] so essentially arbitrary then, great [00:32] i think it has to do with the way the files are re-organized on the disk, basically ext ensures theres no fragmentation [00:33] your drive would need to be hella full to have notizable fragmentation [00:34] I don't see anything in the mount points that would denote a "swap" partition, but when I first installed eOS I don't quite recall making a swap anyways [00:35] windows_babby, swap is not mounted [00:35] its to be activated [00:36] that means, it doesnt have a mount point on your directory tree [00:37] so I make my swap partition by doing what? [00:38] you create a partition, at the end of your drive and you format it as swap then when you boot the system it detects a swap partition and activates it, or you can manually activate it [00:38] !man swapon [00:39] !info swapon [00:39] Package swapon does not exist in vivid [00:39] what [00:39] wait it might be part of other package [00:39] or just a command [00:39] swapon, swapoff - enable/disable devices and files for paging and swap‐ [00:41] would that be something I can do after I actually install xubuntu into this ssd? [00:41] sure [00:42] though i dont know if the ubuntu installer lets you proceed the installation without it [00:42] last time i tried it asked me to create one [00:42] I mean I typed both those commands into the terminal (well, "terminal emulator") and nothing happened [00:42] its not technically necesary, but the installer wants it anway [00:42] windows_babby, do man swapon [00:42] and read the proper way to do it :) [00:42] ah, shoulda ditched the ! [00:45] nothing here makes sense to me [00:45] dont worry [00:45] you dont need to know any of that [00:45] I'd like to, though [00:45] the OS takes care of that on boot time [00:45] I very nearly gave up on linux trying to fix this computer last night ;_; [00:46] :P read more and you will be happier [00:46] man everything! [00:47] okay so can I manually activate my swap partition from this !man swapon terminal menu? [00:47] no [00:47] thats the manual page for the swapon command [00:48] you can man firefox or man thunar or man man [00:48] man just calls the manual page for the application [00:48] and then it tells you how to use the application [00:50] okay wow I just found that I can do it from the same dropdown menu that allows me to choose between ext2, ext3, etc. [00:50] :) [00:50] should my /home be ext4 too if my / is? [00:51] yes [00:51] well it can be any linux format [00:52] it needs to have the proper permission bits [00:52] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions [00:52] that means, it can not be fat32 or ntfs or like that [00:53] got it [00:53] so my ssd is properly partitioned, now to toy with the hdd where I will be installing windows [00:55] installing windows first is a good idea, i would do so by unplugging the sdd first [00:55] then pluggin the sdd back after windows is renstalled and proceed to install linux there :) [00:56] I see three partitions; a 104mb efi which is the boot partition if I'm not mistaken (which I accidentally wiped), a 134mb unspecified partition with unknown amount of space used, and the rest of it which is ntfs which I would like to format [00:56] I don't get the option to format it unless I do something in the "change..." menu [00:56] its probably mounted [00:56] you probablyneed to umount it [00:57] or if its ntfs and was "blocked" by windows, then you are in a pickle :P [00:57] microsoft doesnt really like other OS meddling with theirs [00:58] so they dont play fair and block their partitions if something goes "wrong" [00:59] so if it is ntfs, I am given the option to change it and reformat it if I choose something in the "use as menu" [00:59] maybe? [00:59] what could go wrong if I just chose ntfs, and checked the format box? [00:59] i dont really know what you are doing there buddy [00:59] you would lose all data on the hdd [01:00] yeah I'm kinda prepared for that [01:00] I moved all the important stuff to my external, under a folder named "YOUR FAILURE" [01:00] lol [01:00] well then you should be safe [01:01] in theory I guess, hey that's what science is all about right? [01:02] my problem is [01:02] when I last booted from this usb and it had a copy of windows on it, when I attempted to use it to repair my windows I was told I couldn't and then something about my machine being gpt [01:03] could that be fixed by just nuking everything on this dumb drive from here [01:04] i have no experience with windows since 7 [01:04] so, i dont know [01:04] what if I told you this was windows 7 [01:05] as said, i have no experience since it [01:05] dang [01:05] in that case how would I go about seeing whether my machine was uefi or gpt? because working on it some months back I vaguely remember knowing it was uefi [01:06] !uefi [01:06] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [01:06] ^ read [01:08] very helpful [01:08] thanks a ton, grid. you're way better than my absolute dickhead of a roommate was with linux help [01:09] windows_babby, as i said before, :D reading will make you happier [01:09] take care now! [01:09] if you ever saw a hackers movie, those are frelling awful, because you know what does a hacker does for hours and hours and hours just to find a single silly mistake someone made? [01:10] they read P: and read, and read [01:10] though i guess that doesnt make an exciting movie [11:08] Hi, coud someone please download eee.txt for me from ubuntuforums? I don't know my password here and now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=870663&page=2 [11:09] you can put it on pastebin, etc [11:12] here you go nikolam -> http://pastebin.com/x9j7Afd4 [11:13] thanks slickymasterWork ! :) [11:14] np [12:59] <__amine__> hello, I'm trying to boot from xubuntu iso file, after the splash screen loads a moment, I get a message in command line: unable to find a medium containing a live file system === nomic is now known as nomic2 === nomic2 is now known as nomic [13:22] Hello to everybody, i would like to ask if it is possible to have flash content in firefox (like radio station streamings ) without installing xubuntu-restricted-extras, i dont want to install adobe flash player if possible! [13:23] !flash | NewUser [13:23] NewUser: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [13:24] hi ubottu, i will follow the link, thanks for your time and help! === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SonikkuAmerica [13:30] ...i said thanx to a bot, oh me! is there some firefox add on that allows me to use flash content? as i said before i dont want to install adobe flash player (or use chromium/e) [13:31] NewUser, have to ask firefox about that [13:31] or search ffox add-ons [13:35] i did a search without any results there, i asked here because firefox comes with xubuntu, thank you anyway cfowlett! [13:36] NewUser: i remember vlc had an addon to replace flash [13:36] back in the days [13:45] thank you gridcube, if i find somethink i will post it! === max12345 is now known as Guest57083 === Guest57083 is now known as max12345 === azeam_afk is now known as azeam === Noskcaj_ is now known as Noskcaj [17:23] Hi! Can someone help me with Xubuntu suspend settings? === \b is now known as benonsoftware === max__ is now known as Guest24491 === 64MAC8RI3 is now known as SonikkuAmerica === 7GHAALS4J is now known as SonikkuAmerica === pot is now known as Guest49731 [22:59] hey, my copy of xubuntu seems intent on acting like my / partition is the only partition available for storage. my first time installing I had a basic /, home, swap, and boot setup which didn't work so when I let it work on its own I had a /, media/numbersandletters, swap, and boot partitioning setup that seemed intent on putting everything into the 10gb / setup and nothing into the vastly larger media/blahblahblah partition. did I [23:13] I think I'm just going to make the / partition the whole hard drive [23:14] what could go wrong? [23:28] come on, I've watched a whole episode of scrubs. is there anybody here? please? [23:31] nluxend: somethng like /media should be for personal/media files, xubuntu has set locations to put everything else like in /usr and /var which in your setup would land under / [23:32] nluxend: it doesn't strictly know about /media and won't put system or application files there [23:33] if you know how much is going to go in /usr or /var you can set those up as separate partitions, but that's a more advanced configuration [23:33] so in theory stuff like personal pictures and music would be going into /media? [23:33] sure [23:34] You can even remap that in .config/user-dirs.dirs [23:36] what does "sure" mean? [23:36] sure means, you are your own boss [23:37] my problem is my /home/user folders were in the same 10gb partition the OS was installed to; nothing was going into that large media partition [23:38] ...is the shell restricted to the OS partition, and everything downloaded will go in there? [23:38] unless otherwise moved? [23:40] the answer to that is yes isn't it, ah christ I'm an idiot [23:40] thanks everybody [23:40] shell downloads wherever you launch the command or where you tell the command to store [23:59] Wow! Full channel. = )