| hallyn | oh! so i installed unity8 just to see what it would do - it started fine and i had a panel onthe side with 3 icons, but it wouldn't start any applications, and notification bar didn't respond to anything | 03:50 |
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| hallyn | (meanwhile, unity7 still won't start anything for me either) | 03:50 |
| RAOF | hallyn: Would you like me to say “Hm, that's odd”? | 04:23 |
| RAOF | :) | 04:23 |
| RAOF | Because that is a service that I can provide. | 04:23 |
| * RAOF doesn't routinely run unity8 because it bails on multi-head and doesn't like dvorak. | 04:27 | |
| hallyn | RAOF: if you wouldn't mind, that'd be great, thx :) | 04:36 |
| RAOF | Hm, that's odd. | 04:36 |
| RAOF | Got any logs? :) | 04:36 |
| RAOF | ~/.cache/upstart would contain your winners, obviously. | 04:37 |
| hallyn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/11808246/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/11808247/ are unity8-dash.log.1 and unity8.log.1 | 04:38 |
| lifeless | RAOF: you have multiple heads? | 04:39 |
| RAOF | lifeless: Yeah. | 04:39 |
| RAOF | Tasmanian :P | 04:39 |
| lifeless | funny, you looked normal last time I saw you :) | 04:39 |
| RAOF | Well, whatever had pid 2297 is a bit unhappy. | 04:44 |
| RAOF | (It's having its connection denied) | 04:44 |
| RAOF | And then unity-system-compositor dies at 1435721937.135599, but U8 apparently doesn't notice? | 04:45 |
| hallyn | would be nice if /proc/pid/cmdline showed up inthe denied logs :) but i do start some things from upstart user jobs, maybe that's the problem | 04:50 |
| hallyn | though, "not luanched by upstart", maybe not | 04:50 |
| hallyn | oh well - it did give me a pretty screen :) just couldn't do anything | 04:51 |
| * hallyn out - gnight | 04:51 | |
| RAOF | Oh /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor might say something else, given that it's clearly going away. | 04:58 |
| RAOF | But that might be after you try to quit or something. | 04:58 |
| Noskcaj | Is anything going to break if i merge gnome-keyring from debian? (switches from gpg-agent to pinentry-gnome3) | 06:31 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 06:56 |
| seb128 | Noskcaj, unsure, what's the motivation for the change? | 06:56 |
| Noskcaj | gpg-agent doesn't work properly, so it gets dropped | 06:58 |
| Noskcaj | pinetree replaces the missing features, and is wanted by upstream IIRC. Downside is pinetree-gnome3 might not be wanted everywhere | 06:59 |
| Noskcaj | See http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gnome-keyring/unstable_changelog and the 2 bugs in the most recent entry | 06:59 |
| Noskcaj | Changing the dep to pinentry-gtk2 | pinentry-gnome3 might be more suitable here | 07:05 |
| pitti | hey seb128! | 07:15 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, wie gehts? | 07:18 |
| seb128 | Noskcaj, we don't want new gtk2 depends... what doesn't work in gpg-agent? | 07:19 |
| pitti | seb128: prima, danke! had some nice basketball games yesterday evening | 07:19 |
| larsu | hi pitti | 07:22 |
| * larsu has the feeling it will get very hot here today as well | 07:22 | |
| * pitti winkt larsu | 07:22 | |
| Noskcaj | seb128, From my understanding, gnome-keyring hijacks gpg-agent, and as a result removes features | 07:22 |
| Noskcaj | See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760102 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787786 | 07:22 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 760102 in gnome-keyring "gnome-keyring: please build with --disable-gpg-agent" [Important,Fixed] | 07:22 |
| ubot5 | Debian bug 787786 in gnome-keyring "gnome-keyring: please introduce a dependency on pinentry-gnome3" [Wishlist,Fixed] | 07:22 |
| seb128 | Noskcaj, right, that's a known issue ... so the new version disable the keyring code? | 07:23 |
| Noskcaj | yes | 07:23 |
| Noskcaj | The only functionality lost is then re-gained by adding the dep on pinentry | 07:24 |
| Noskcaj | An alt dep on pinentry-gtk2 could allow the ubuntu-mate guys to not pull in the gnome3 part if they want that | 07:24 |
| seb128 | Noskcaj, did you check that pinentry-gnome3 works under unity? what does it look like UI wise? | 07:35 |
| Noskcaj | seb128, I've got no unity install. I can test under xfce, but it's CSD stuff is pretty good nowdays | 07:40 |
| seb128 | so pinentry-gnome3 is using csd? | 07:43 |
| Noskcaj | no idea | 07:43 |
| Noskcaj | i'm installing it now to see | 07:43 |
| seb128 | Noskcaj, also you should get an unity install, how can you test Ubuntu GNOME packages updates without one? | 07:43 |
| Noskcaj | seb128, reading changelogs then getting other people to check stuff for me | 07:44 |
| Noskcaj | My current PC setup is too shitty to have an install. I might be able to get something working when my internet becomes ok in a few weeks | 07:44 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:05 |
| Laney | ahoy | 08:06 |
| Laney | Noskcaj: I think we should, but when I tried it didn't work properly | 08:06 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke, Laney, how is uk? | 08:06 |
| Laney | toasty | 08:07 |
| Laney | wasn't a great night of sleep! | 08:07 |
| willcooke | what he said | 08:07 |
| seb128 | same here :-/ | 08:07 |
| Laney | we had the fan on by the bed | 08:07 |
| Laney | but it gave me weird dreams | 08:07 |
| willcooke | The thermostat downstairs said is was 33 at midnight :/ | 08:07 |
| Laney | like at 3am I got paranoid that the noise of the fan would mean that I couldn't hear anybody breaking in downstairs | 08:07 |
| Laney | so went to check | 08:07 |
| Laney | WEIRD | 08:07 |
| willcooke | :D | 08:07 |
| Noskcaj | 33 celcius? | 08:07 |
| willcooke | yah | 08:07 |
| Noskcaj | crap | 08:08 |
| willcooke | :( | 08:08 |
| willcooke | but luckily, that's summer over and done with now | 08:08 |
| * Noskcaj only just remembered it's not winter everywhere | 08:08 | |
| willcooke | hehe | 08:08 |
| Laney | yah gets back to more normal weather from here http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5 | 08:09 |
| seb128 | 30°C is normal summer no? | 08:10 |
| seb128 | oh man, you are back to 20°C, I wouldn't say no to that | 08:10 |
| seb128 | being able to sleep without feeling like you are slowly boiled is nice | 08:10 |
| Laney | I guess we get it once per year probably | 08:12 |
| Laney | otherwise... http://www.holiday-weather.com/nottingham/averages/ | 08:12 |
| seb128 | lovely weather you get :-) | 08:22 |
| * seb128 doesn't like hot summer days | 08:22 | |
| seb128 | shrug, 30°C in the room, night didn't cool much down | 08:22 |
| Laney | the summer ones seem low to me | 08:22 |
| Laney | but I believe the data! | 08:22 |
| seb128 | and it's already sunny/warm enough that I had to close the windows | 08:23 |
| seb128 | it's going to be a long day | 08:23 |
| Laney | :\ | 08:23 |
| Laney | what's the forecast for you? | 08:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, http://www.bbc.com/weather/2747373 | 08:26 |
| seb128 | in fact they changed, looks like it's getting lower today | 08:26 |
| seb128 | it was 33°C yesterday and they still had 30°C for today | 08:26 |
| seb128 | they revisited that to 26°C now | 08:26 |
| Laney | nice | 08:26 |
| seb128 | yeah, 26°C is about right :-) | 08:26 |
| Laney | seb128: did you see the image build failure? | 08:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, see wily-changes | 08:40 |
| seb128 | I just uploaded what I think should be enough to fix it | 08:40 |
| Laney | ok, not on that list so I didn't see it, checked livecd-rootfs | 08:41 |
| seb128 | Laney, basically it's because click is still being pulled in | 08:43 |
| seb128 | and I think it's due to u-s-s | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I added a | ubuntu-snappy-cli | 08:43 |
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| darkxst | Laney, seb128 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1466290/comments/3 | 10:51 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1466290 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.16" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:51 |
| darkxst | following on from last nights discussion that bits that need webkit2gtk-4.0 can only be demoted to universe if g-c-c is also | 10:55 |
| darkxst | (thats assuming we can have the new webkit in main for builds only) | 10:57 |
| Laney | darkxst: can g-c-c binary go to universe and source stay in main as well? | 10:59 |
| darkxst | Laney, yes, I guess only the shared-data binary needs to be in main? | 11:03 |
| darkxst | well not guess, more fact! | 11:05 |
| Laney | I suppose so | 11:05 |
| darkxst | that is the only reason that g-c-c is still in main | 11:05 |
| Laney | seems easier to keep it there | 11:06 |
| Laney | go ahead and ask the mir team what they think imho | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | or the MIR team ... :P | 11:07 |
| Laney | mIr TeAm | 11:08 |
| ogra_ | haha | 11:08 |
| Laney | ogra_: is there a way to get ./update to work with proposed? | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | Laney, nope, i dont think so | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | and you wouldnt really want that | 11:10 |
| Laney | what if you need to update a seed for a transition? | 11:10 |
| ogra_ | i guess you can only do the meta upload after the transition then | 11:11 |
| Laney | the transition doesn't happen because of the meta | 11:11 |
| Laney | :/ | 11:11 |
| ogra_ | hmm, drop it from the seed, do the transition, re-add it ? | 11:12 |
| Laney | this is weird | 11:13 |
| darkxst | Laney, ok, will do | 11:14 |
| ogra_ | Laney, well, probably cjwatson has an idea for you | 11:16 |
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| darkxst | where is didrocks? | 11:17 |
| Laney | on hols | 11:18 |
| Laney | ogra_: I read the code and found a way | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | cool | 11:19 |
| Laney | add dists: wily wily-proposed | 11:19 |
| Laney | fyi | 11:19 |
| Laney | well, it's not finished yet, but looks promising so far | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | just dont make it permanent ;) | 11:20 |
| Laney | don't actually know what the problem is with that | 11:21 |
| Laney | but whatevs | 11:21 |
| darkxst | Laney, infinity is MIR team also? or should I just subscibe the MIR team to the bug report? | 11:22 |
| Laney | darkxst: launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir/+members but subscribing them is best | 11:23 |
| Laney | bah | 11:48 |
| Laney | pitti: any clue why the udisks2 autopkgtest is flapping between pass and fail? | 11:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, can you kick an desktop-next amd64 rebuild for me? | 11:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, stgraber didn't reply and doing cancel on the tracker doesn't work | 11:50 |
| pitti | Laney: test_force_removal() is apparently racy; I don't get that locally, so at some point I need to debug that on the production VMs | 11:50 |
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| Laney | seb128: cancelled the builds manually, try again? | 11:51 |
| Laney | pitti: the previous runs had other tests failing | 11:52 |
| seb128 | Laney, danke, the iso tracker was not in "re-building" anymore so I guess that worked, waiting a few minutes to see the builder side | 11:52 |
| pitti | Laney: well, same :) | 11:52 |
| Laney | fair | 11:53 |
| Laney | we'll get lucky and have both arches passing at the same time soon :P | 11:55 |
| seb128 | Laney, worked, thanks | 11:56 |
| Laney | ah, the magic pitti touch! | 11:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, I was speaking about desktop-next ;-) | 11:57 |
| Laney | seb128: I know, he fixed https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-udisks2/ | 11:57 |
| Laney | my two retries didn't work | 11:57 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 11:58 |
| desrt | good morning | 12:01 |
| greyback | seb128: hey, do you have any tips on figuring out a packaging conflict in a crossbuilding chroot | 12:04 |
| greyback | libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf : Depends: libconnectivity-qt1:armhf (= 0.5.1+15.04.20150618.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 12:04 |
| greyback | that is breaking my crosssbuilding unity8 | 12:05 |
| seb128 | greyback, hey, usually try to apt-get install those at the same time and see what it does | 12:05 |
| seb128 | e.g apt-get install libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf libconnectivity-qt1:armhf | 12:05 |
| greyback | seb128: hmm, it just worked | 12:06 |
| seb128 | weird | 12:06 |
| seb128 | it didn't remove anything? | 12:06 |
| greyback | no nothing | 12:07 |
| seb128 | what command were you using before? | 12:07 |
| seb128 | there are maybe more packages needed that create the issue? | 12:07 |
| greyback | apt-get build-dep -aarmhf unity8 | 12:07 |
| seb128 | does that work now? | 12:07 |
| greyback | it does, but removes libconnectivity-qt1 & its -dev | 12:08 |
| seb128 | well, are those still used/needed? | 12:09 |
| greyback | seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809786/ is what I get | 12:10 |
| seb128 | unsure how to read that | 12:11 |
| seb128 | validate it? | 12:11 |
| greyback | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809789/ - I just get into a loop of removing one thing to install another | 12:12 |
| greyback | I'll have to go through those 1 by 1 to try see where the conflict is | 12:13 |
| greyback | like i'm ping-ponging between libandroid-properties1 and libandroid-properties1:armhf | 12:14 |
| seb128 | try installing those together? | 12:15 |
| seb128 | to see what issue it has with it | 12:15 |
| greyback | seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809793/ does that make sense to you? | 12:15 |
| greyback | libandroid-properties1:armhf depending on libandroid-properties1 ? | 12:15 |
| seb128 | that seems weird | 12:16 |
| seb128 | but the same package on different archs should be co-installable | 12:16 |
| greyback | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 12:17 |
| greyback | libandroid-properties1 : Conflicts: libandroid-properties1:armhf but 0.1.0+git20131207+e452e83-0ubuntu39 is to be installed | 12:17 |
| greyback | libandroid-properties1:armhf : Conflicts: libandroid-properties1 but 0.1.0+git20131207+e452e83-0ubuntu39 is to be installed | 12:17 |
| greyback | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 12:17 |
| greyback | seems not | 12:17 |
| seb128 | unsure what's going on :-/ | 12:19 |
| seb128 | xnox or Laney might know better | 12:19 |
| greyback | me neither. Will keep diggin | 12:19 |
| greyback | thanks for the help | 12:19 |
| seb128 | yw, sorry to not be able to resolve it | 12:19 |
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| xnox | seb128: greyback: you shall not mix & match different versions of a packages across multiple architectures. | 12:58 |
| xnox | specifically looks like :i386 / :amd64 version is installed and of a different versions from :armhf one. | 12:58 |
| greyback | xnox: I can only see the same version of the packages for both arches however | 13:00 |
| greyback | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809967/ | 13:00 |
| hallyn | RAOF: fwiw, /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11810250/ ("pause" is all that's reall ythere afaict) | 13:58 |
| seb128 | hallyn, what are you trying to do? | 13:59 |
| hallyn | seb128: i was logging into unity8 | 14:00 |
| hallyn | (see backscroll from about 10 hrs ago) | 14:00 |
| hallyn | bc unity7 isn't working either | 14:00 |
| seb128 | hallyn, did you reset your compiz config for unity7? | 14:02 |
| hallyn | nope | 14:03 |
| seb128 | is guest session working? | 14:04 |
| hallyn | (there was something I'd been asked to reset, but I forget what it was) | 14:04 |
| hallyn | Hm. queue up the things to try and I'll try themwhen I can shut down my work for a bit :) i'll try guest session, how do i reset compiz config? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ | 14:06 |
| hallyn | ah, ok, yes i think i'd been asked to do that last week | 14:13 |
| hallyn | (for fixing unity7) | 14:14 |
| hallyn | will try both, thx | 14:14 |
| seb128 | what distro serie are you using and what did you do around the time unity stop working? | 14:14 |
| hallyn | seb128: ubuntu wily; i did an upgrade. 'Ubuntu' disappeared from my options in the wm list. | 15:16 |
| hallyn | so i apt-get installed unity again, | 15:16 |
| hallyn | it showed back up, but only gvies me a blank screen now. loffice eventually starts up. no panel, shortcuts don't work (can't ctrl-alt-t) | 15:16 |
| seb128 | don't use dist-upgrade and say "yes" when it wants to remove important packages | 15:18 |
| seb128 | it might be worth checkijg dpkg.log to see if there are other packages that got uninstalled that you didn't reinstall | 15:18 |
| hallyn | "don't use dist-upgrade" ? | 15:20 |
| seb128 | that quoting only part of what I wrote | 15:22 |
| seb128 | but yeah, if you use "dist-upgrade" read the output and what it wants to remove before hitting "y" | 15:22 |
| seb128 | especially in unstable cycles | 15:22 |
| seb128 | though such issues shouldn't happen with proposed and britney nowadays | 15:22 |
| hallyn | why on earth would it decide to remove unity... | 15:24 |
| hallyn | i did in fact do "apt-get -y dist-upgrade", perhaps foolhardy, but i'm not sure i'll concede that it *should* be foolhardy | 15:25 |
| hallyn | but i would've said yes anyway bc i don't kow the current structure of all the desktop packaging - no idea what i actually need :) | 15:25 |
| hallyn | i mean, i need qtile, wmii, i3, awesome, dwm.... | 15:26 |
| hallyn | d'oh! | 15:26 |
| seb128 | usually if the "remove" section contains unity or a stack of things that sound like useful, there is an issue | 15:26 |
| seb128 | if it's an old soname from a lib it's probably ok | 15:27 |
| seb128 | well in any case check dpkg.log | 15:27 |
| seb128 | in case other things sound like things to reinstall | 15:27 |
| hallyn | yeah i see unity there, removed along with ubuntu-desktop on june 26 | 15:27 |
| Laney | you can probably apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop^ | 15:27 |
| Laney | see if anything comes back | 15:27 |
| hallyn | but that'll only install thunderbird which i don't want :) or is ubuntu-desktop not purely virtual? | 15:28 |
| Laney | it's a meta package | 15:28 |
| hallyn | libmetacity-private2 had been removed... | 15:30 |
| hallyn | so no, everything except thunderbird that still is valid was re-installed, so that's not the problem now. will try guest session later. thx | 15:31 |
| seb128 | Laney, can you stop the amd64 next build status for me? | 16:19 |
| Laney | grr | 16:19 |
| Laney | this self service thing isn't working out very well | 16:19 |
| seb128 | no it's not :-/ | 16:20 |
| * Laney tries ;-) | 16:23 | |
| Laney | bah | 16:30 |
| Laney | let's just ping him every time | 16:30 |
| Laney | cancelled! | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | Laney, just give seb128 your ssh key | 16:36 |
| * ogra_ likes pragmatic solutions | 16:37 | |
| seb128 | lol | 16:38 |
| larsu | haha nice | 16:38 |
| larsu | just paste it in here, what could go wrong! | 16:38 |
| Laney | good idea, here goes | 16:38 |
| Laney | -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | :D | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | see, *thats* how we do it among friends :) | 16:39 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:39 |
| * willcooke remembers the time seb128 told us all his password | 16:40 | |
| ogra_ | ..." you find my ssh key under the doormat" ... | 16:40 |
| seb128 | O_o | 16:40 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: was it hunter2 all the cool kids use that....still so glad that irc hashes out passwords thanks again for that ogra_ :) | 16:41 |
| willcooke | :) | 16:41 |
| ogra_ | davmor2, no it was ********* | 16:41 |
| Laney | hunter2 | 16:42 |
| davmor2 | Laney: http://bash.org/?244321 | 16:43 |
| * ogra_ likes the conclusion :) | 16:44 | |
| larsu | awesome | 16:45 |
| * willcooke -> EOD | 17:01 | |
| * Laney too | 17:10 | |
| Laney | it's just started raining :( | 17:10 |
| * Laney ttyl! | 17:10 | |
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