[03:50] <hallyn> oh!  so i installed unity8 just to see what it would do - it started fine and i had a panel onthe side with 3 icons, but it wouldn't start any applications, and notification bar didn't respond to anything
[03:50] <hallyn> (meanwhile, unity7 still won't start anything for me either)
[04:23] <RAOF> hallyn: Would you like me to say “Hm, that's odd”?
[04:23] <RAOF> :)
[04:23] <RAOF> Because that is a service that I can provide.
[04:27]  * RAOF doesn't routinely run unity8 because it bails on multi-head and doesn't like dvorak.
[04:36] <hallyn> RAOF: if you wouldn't mind, that'd be great, thx :)
[04:36] <RAOF> Hm, that's odd.
[04:36] <RAOF> Got any logs? :)
[04:37] <RAOF> ~/.cache/upstart would contain your winners, obviously.
[04:38] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11808246/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/11808247/ are unity8-dash.log.1 and unity8.log.1
[04:39] <lifeless> RAOF: you have multiple heads?
[04:39] <RAOF> lifeless: Yeah.
[04:39] <RAOF> Tasmanian :P
[04:39] <lifeless> funny, you looked normal last time I saw you :)
[04:44] <RAOF> Well, whatever had pid 2297 is a bit unhappy.
[04:44] <RAOF> (It's having its connection denied)
[04:45] <RAOF> And then unity-system-compositor dies at 1435721937.135599, but U8 apparently doesn't notice?
[04:50] <hallyn> would be nice if /proc/pid/cmdline showed up inthe denied logs :)  but i do start some things from upstart user jobs, maybe that's the problem
[04:50] <hallyn> though, "not luanched by upstart", maybe not
[04:51] <hallyn> oh well - it did give me a pretty screen :)  just couldn't do anything
[04:51]  * hallyn out - gnight
[04:58] <RAOF> Oh /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor might say something else, given that it's clearly going away.
[04:58] <RAOF> But that might be after you try to quit or something.
[06:31] <Noskcaj> Is anything going to break if i merge gnome-keyring from debian? (switches from gpg-agent to pinentry-gnome3)
[06:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:56] <seb128> Noskcaj, unsure, what's the motivation for the change?
[06:58] <Noskcaj> gpg-agent doesn't work properly, so it gets dropped
[06:59] <Noskcaj> pinetree replaces the missing features, and is wanted by upstream IIRC. Downside is pinetree-gnome3 might not be wanted everywhere
[06:59] <Noskcaj> See http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gnome-keyring/unstable_changelog and the 2 bugs in the most recent entry
[07:05] <Noskcaj> Changing the dep to pinentry-gtk2 | pinentry-gnome3 might be more suitable here
[07:15] <pitti> hey seb128!
[07:18] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[07:19] <seb128> Noskcaj, we don't want new gtk2 depends... what doesn't work in gpg-agent?
[07:19] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke! had some nice basketball games yesterday evening
[07:22] <larsu> hi pitti
[07:22]  * larsu has the feeling it will get very hot here today as well
[07:22]  * pitti winkt larsu
[07:22] <Noskcaj> seb128, From my understanding, gnome-keyring hijacks gpg-agent, and as a result removes features
[07:22] <Noskcaj> See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760102 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787786
[07:23] <seb128> Noskcaj, right, that's a known issue ... so the new version disable the keyring code?
[07:23] <Noskcaj> yes
[07:24] <Noskcaj> The only functionality lost is then re-gained by adding the dep on pinentry
[07:24] <Noskcaj> An alt dep on pinentry-gtk2 could allow the ubuntu-mate guys to not pull in the gnome3 part if they want that
[07:35] <seb128> Noskcaj, did you check that pinentry-gnome3 works under unity? what does it look like UI wise?
[07:40] <Noskcaj> seb128, I've got no unity install. I can test under xfce, but it's CSD stuff is pretty good nowdays
[07:43] <seb128> so pinentry-gnome3 is using csd?
[07:43] <Noskcaj> no idea
[07:43] <Noskcaj> i'm installing it now to see
[07:43] <seb128> Noskcaj, also you should get an unity install, how can you test Ubuntu GNOME packages updates without one?
[07:44] <Noskcaj> seb128, reading changelogs then getting other people to check stuff for me
[07:44] <Noskcaj> My current PC setup is too shitty to have an install. I might be able to get something working when my internet becomes ok in a few weeks
[08:05] <willcooke> morning all
[08:06] <Laney> ahoy
[08:06] <Laney> Noskcaj: I think we should, but when I tried it didn't work properly
[08:06] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney, how is uk?
[08:07] <Laney> toasty
[08:07] <Laney> wasn't a great night of sleep!
[08:07] <willcooke> what he said
[08:07] <seb128> same here :-/
[08:07] <Laney> we had the fan on by the bed
[08:07] <Laney> but it gave me weird dreams
[08:07] <willcooke> The thermostat downstairs said is was 33 at midnight :/
[08:07] <Laney> like at 3am I got paranoid that the noise of the fan would mean that I couldn't hear anybody breaking in downstairs
[08:07] <Laney> so went to check
[08:07] <Laney> WEIRD
[08:07] <willcooke> :D
[08:07] <Noskcaj> 33 celcius?
[08:07] <willcooke> yah
[08:08] <Noskcaj> crap
[08:08] <willcooke> :(
[08:08] <willcooke> but luckily, that's summer over and done with now
[08:08]  * Noskcaj only just remembered it's not winter everywhere
[08:08] <willcooke> hehe
[08:09] <Laney> yah gets back to more normal weather from here http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[08:10] <seb128> 30°C is normal summer no?
[08:10] <seb128> oh man, you are back to 20°C, I wouldn't say no to that
[08:10] <seb128> being able to sleep without feeling like you are slowly boiled is nice
[08:12] <Laney> I guess we get it once per year probably
[08:12] <Laney> otherwise... http://www.holiday-weather.com/nottingham/averages/
[08:22] <seb128> lovely weather you get :-)
[08:22]  * seb128 doesn't like hot summer days
[08:22] <seb128> shrug, 30°C in the room, night didn't cool much down
[08:22] <Laney> the summer ones seem low to me
[08:22] <Laney> but I believe the data!
[08:23] <seb128> and it's already sunny/warm enough that I had to close the windows
[08:23] <seb128> it's going to be a long day
[08:23] <Laney> :\
[08:23] <Laney> what's the forecast for you?
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, http://www.bbc.com/weather/2747373
[08:26] <seb128> in fact they changed, looks like it's getting lower today
[08:26] <seb128> it was 33°C yesterday and they still had 30°C for today
[08:26] <seb128> they revisited that to 26°C now
[08:26] <Laney> nice
[08:26] <seb128> yeah, 26°C is about right :-)
[08:39] <Laney> seb128: did you see the image build failure?
[08:40] <seb128> Laney, yeah, see wily-changes
[08:40] <seb128> I just uploaded what I think should be enough to fix it
[08:41] <Laney> ok, not on that list so I didn't see it, checked livecd-rootfs
[08:43] <seb128> Laney, basically it's because click is still being pulled in
[08:43] <seb128> and I think it's due to u-s-s
[08:43] <seb128> I added a | ubuntu-snappy-cli
[10:51] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1466290/comments/3
[10:55] <darkxst> following on from last nights discussion that bits that need webkit2gtk-4.0 can only be demoted to universe if g-c-c is also
[10:57] <darkxst> (thats assuming we can have the new webkit in main for builds only)
[10:59] <Laney> darkxst: can g-c-c binary go to universe and source stay in main as well?
[11:03] <darkxst> Laney, yes, I guess only the shared-data binary needs to be in main?
[11:05] <darkxst> well not guess, more fact!
[11:05] <Laney> I suppose so
[11:05] <darkxst> that is the only reason that g-c-c is still in main
[11:06] <Laney> seems easier to keep it there
[11:06] <Laney> go ahead and ask the mir team what they think imho
[11:07] <ogra_> or the MIR team ... :P
[11:08] <Laney> mIr TeAm
[11:08] <ogra_> haha
[11:09] <Laney> ogra_: is there a way to get ./update to work with proposed?
[11:10] <ogra_> Laney, nope, i dont think so
[11:10] <ogra_> and you wouldnt really want that
[11:10] <Laney> what if you need to update a seed for a transition?
[11:11] <ogra_> i guess you can only do the meta upload after the transition then
[11:11] <Laney> the transition doesn't happen because of the meta
[11:11] <Laney> :/
[11:12] <ogra_> hmm, drop it from the seed, do the transition, re-add it ?
[11:13] <Laney> this is weird
[11:14] <darkxst> Laney, ok, will do
[11:16] <ogra_> Laney, well, probably cjwatson has an idea for you
[11:17] <darkxst> where is didrocks?
[11:18] <Laney> on hols
[11:18] <Laney> ogra_: I read the code and found a way
[11:19] <ogra_> cool
[11:19] <Laney> add dists: wily wily-proposed
[11:19] <Laney> fyi
[11:19] <Laney> well, it's not finished yet, but looks promising so far
[11:20] <ogra_> just dont make it permanent ;)
[11:21] <Laney> don't actually know what the problem is with that
[11:21] <Laney> but whatevs
[11:22] <darkxst> Laney, infinity is MIR team also? or should I just subscibe the MIR team to the bug report?
[11:23] <Laney> darkxst: launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir/+members but subscribing them is best
[11:48] <Laney> bah
[11:49] <Laney> pitti: any clue why the udisks2 autopkgtest is flapping between pass and fail?
[11:49] <seb128> Laney, can you kick an desktop-next amd64 rebuild for me?
[11:50] <seb128> Laney, stgraber didn't reply and doing cancel on the tracker doesn't work
[11:50] <pitti> Laney: test_force_removal() is apparently racy; I don't get that locally, so at some point I need to debug that on the production VMs
[11:51] <Laney> seb128: cancelled the builds manually, try again?
[11:52] <Laney> pitti: the previous runs had other tests failing
[11:52] <seb128> Laney, danke, the iso tracker was not in "re-building" anymore so I guess that worked, waiting a few minutes to see the builder side
[11:52] <pitti> Laney: well, same :)
[11:53] <Laney> fair
[11:55] <Laney> we'll get lucky and have both arches passing at the same time soon :P
[11:56] <seb128> Laney, worked, thanks
[11:57] <Laney> ah, the magic pitti touch!
[11:57] <seb128> Laney, I was speaking about desktop-next ;-)
[11:57] <Laney> seb128: I know, he fixed https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-udisks2/
[11:57] <Laney> my two retries didn't work
[11:58] <seb128> ah ok
[12:01] <desrt> good morning
[12:04] <greyback> seb128: hey, do you have any tips on figuring out a packaging conflict in a crossbuilding chroot
[12:04] <greyback>  libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf : Depends: libconnectivity-qt1:armhf (= 0.5.1+15.04.20150618.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:05] <greyback> that is breaking my crosssbuilding unity8
[12:05] <seb128> greyback, hey, usually try to apt-get install those at the same time and see what it does
[12:05] <seb128> e.g apt-get install libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf libconnectivity-qt1:armhf
[12:06] <greyback> seb128: hmm, it just worked
[12:06] <seb128> weird
[12:06] <seb128> it didn't remove anything?
[12:07] <greyback> no nothing
[12:07] <seb128> what command were you using before?
[12:07] <seb128> there are maybe more packages needed that create the issue?
[12:07] <greyback> apt-get build-dep -aarmhf unity8
[12:07] <seb128> does that work now?
[12:08] <greyback> it does, but removes libconnectivity-qt1 & its -dev
[12:09] <seb128> well, are those still used/needed?
[12:10] <greyback> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809786/ is what I get
[12:11] <seb128> unsure how to read that
[12:11] <seb128> validate it?
[12:12] <greyback> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809789/ - I just get into a loop of removing one thing to install another
[12:13] <greyback> I'll have to go through those 1 by 1 to try see where the conflict is
[12:14] <greyback> like i'm ping-ponging between libandroid-properties1 and libandroid-properties1:armhf
[12:15] <seb128> try installing those together?
[12:15] <seb128> to see what issue it has with it
[12:15] <greyback> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809793/ does that make sense to you?
[12:15] <greyback> libandroid-properties1:armhf depending on libandroid-properties1 ?
[12:16] <seb128> that seems weird
[12:16] <seb128> but the same package on different archs should be co-installable
[12:17] <greyback> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:17] <greyback>  libandroid-properties1 : Conflicts: libandroid-properties1:armhf but 0.1.0+git20131207+e452e83-0ubuntu39 is to be installed
[12:17] <greyback>  libandroid-properties1:armhf : Conflicts: libandroid-properties1 but 0.1.0+git20131207+e452e83-0ubuntu39 is to be installed
[12:17] <greyback> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[12:17] <greyback> seems not
[12:19] <seb128> unsure what's going on :-/
[12:19] <seb128> xnox or Laney might know better
[12:19] <greyback> me neither. Will keep diggin
[12:19] <greyback> thanks for the help
[12:19] <seb128> yw, sorry to not be able to resolve it
[12:58] <xnox> seb128: greyback: you shall not mix & match different versions of a packages across multiple architectures.
[12:58] <xnox> specifically looks like :i386 / :amd64 version is installed and of a different versions from :armhf one.
[13:00] <greyback> xnox: I can only see the same version of the packages for both arches however
[13:00] <greyback> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809967/
[13:58] <hallyn> RAOF: fwiw, /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11810250/   ("pause" is all that's reall ythere afaict)
[13:59] <seb128> hallyn, what are you trying to do?
[14:00] <hallyn> seb128: i was logging into unity8
[14:00] <hallyn> (see backscroll from about 10 hrs ago)
[14:00] <hallyn> bc unity7 isn't working either
[14:02] <seb128> hallyn, did you reset your compiz config for unity7?
[14:03] <hallyn> nope
[14:04] <seb128> is guest session working?
[14:04] <hallyn> (there was something I'd been asked to reset, but I forget what it was)
[14:05] <hallyn> Hm.  queue up the things to try and I'll try themwhen I can shut down my work for a bit :)  i'll try guest session, how do i reset compiz config?
[14:06] <seb128> dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[14:13] <hallyn> ah, ok, yes i think i'd been asked to do that last week
[14:14] <hallyn> (for fixing unity7)
[14:14] <hallyn> will try both, thx
[14:14] <seb128> what distro serie are you using and what did you do around the time unity stop working?
[15:16] <hallyn> seb128: ubuntu wily;  i did an upgrade.  'Ubuntu' disappeared from my options in the wm list.
[15:16] <hallyn> so i apt-get installed unity again,
[15:16] <hallyn> it showed back up, but only gvies me a blank screen now.  loffice eventually starts up.  no panel, shortcuts don't work (can't ctrl-alt-t)
[15:18] <seb128> don't use dist-upgrade and say "yes" when it wants to remove important packages
[15:18] <seb128> it might be worth checkijg dpkg.log to see if there are other packages that got uninstalled that you didn't reinstall
[15:20] <hallyn> "don't use dist-upgrade"  ?
[15:22] <seb128> that quoting only part of what I wrote
[15:22] <seb128> but yeah, if you use "dist-upgrade" read the output and what it wants to remove before hitting "y"
[15:22] <seb128> especially in unstable cycles
[15:22] <seb128> though such issues shouldn't happen with proposed and britney nowadays
[15:24] <hallyn> why on earth would it decide to remove unity...
[15:25] <hallyn> i did in fact do "apt-get -y dist-upgrade", perhaps foolhardy, but i'm not sure i'll concede that it *should* be foolhardy
[15:25] <hallyn> but i would've said yes anyway bc i don't kow the current structure of all the desktop packaging - no idea what i actually need :)
[15:26] <hallyn> i mean, i need qtile, wmii, i3, awesome, dwm....
[15:26] <hallyn> d'oh!
[15:26] <seb128> usually if the "remove" section contains unity or a stack of things that sound like useful, there is an issue
[15:27] <seb128> if it's an old soname from a lib it's probably ok
[15:27] <seb128> well in any case check dpkg.log
[15:27] <seb128> in case other things sound like things to reinstall
[15:27] <hallyn> yeah i see unity there, removed along with ubuntu-desktop on june 26
[15:27] <Laney> you can probably apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop^
[15:27] <Laney> see if anything comes back
[15:28] <hallyn> but that'll only install thunderbird which i don't want :)  or is ubuntu-desktop not purely virtual?
[15:28] <Laney> it's a meta package
[15:30] <hallyn> libmetacity-private2 had been removed...
[15:31] <hallyn> so no, everything except thunderbird that still is valid was re-installed, so that's not the problem now.  will try guest session later.  thx
[16:19] <seb128> Laney, can you stop the amd64 next build status for me?
[16:19] <Laney> grr
[16:19] <Laney> this self service thing isn't working out very well
[16:20] <seb128> no it's not :-/
[16:23]  * Laney tries ;-)
[16:30] <Laney> bah
[16:30] <Laney> let's just ping him every time
[16:31] <Laney> cancelled!
[16:36] <ogra_> Laney, just give seb128 your ssh key
[16:37]  * ogra_ likes pragmatic solutions
[16:38] <seb128> lol
[16:38] <larsu> haha nice
[16:38] <larsu> just paste it in here, what could go wrong!
[16:38] <Laney> good idea, here goes
[16:38] <Laney> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
[16:38] <ogra_> :D
[16:39] <ogra_> see, *thats* how we do it among friends :)
[16:39] <willcooke> :D
[16:40]  * willcooke remembers the time seb128 told us all his password
[16:40] <ogra_> ..." you find my ssh key under the doormat" ...
[16:40] <seb128> O_o
[16:41] <davmor2> willcooke: was it hunter2 all the cool kids use that....still so glad that irc hashes out passwords thanks again for that ogra_ :)
[16:41] <willcooke> :)
[16:41] <ogra_> davmor2, no it was *********
[16:42] <Laney> hunter2
[16:43] <davmor2> Laney: http://bash.org/?244321
[16:44]  * ogra_ likes the conclusion :)
[16:45] <larsu> awesome
[17:01]  * willcooke -> EOD
[17:10]  * Laney too
[17:10] <Laney> it's just started raining :(
[17:10]  * Laney ttyl!
[19:28]  * qengho afk. first aid.