[03:50] oh! so i installed unity8 just to see what it would do - it started fine and i had a panel onthe side with 3 icons, but it wouldn't start any applications, and notification bar didn't respond to anything [03:50] (meanwhile, unity7 still won't start anything for me either) [04:23] hallyn: Would you like me to say “Hm, that's odd”? [04:23] :) [04:23] Because that is a service that I can provide. [04:27] * RAOF doesn't routinely run unity8 because it bails on multi-head and doesn't like dvorak. [04:36] RAOF: if you wouldn't mind, that'd be great, thx :) [04:36] Hm, that's odd. [04:36] Got any logs? :) [04:37] ~/.cache/upstart would contain your winners, obviously. [04:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11808246/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/11808247/ are unity8-dash.log.1 and unity8.log.1 [04:39] RAOF: you have multiple heads? [04:39] lifeless: Yeah. [04:39] Tasmanian :P [04:39] funny, you looked normal last time I saw you :) [04:44] Well, whatever had pid 2297 is a bit unhappy. [04:44] (It's having its connection denied) [04:45] And then unity-system-compositor dies at 1435721937.135599, but U8 apparently doesn't notice? [04:50] would be nice if /proc/pid/cmdline showed up inthe denied logs :) but i do start some things from upstart user jobs, maybe that's the problem [04:50] though, "not luanched by upstart", maybe not [04:51] oh well - it did give me a pretty screen :) just couldn't do anything [04:51] * hallyn out - gnight [04:58] Oh /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor might say something else, given that it's clearly going away. [04:58] But that might be after you try to quit or something. [06:31] Is anything going to break if i merge gnome-keyring from debian? (switches from gpg-agent to pinentry-gnome3) [06:56] good morning desktopers [06:56] Noskcaj, unsure, what's the motivation for the change? [06:58] gpg-agent doesn't work properly, so it gets dropped [06:59] pinetree replaces the missing features, and is wanted by upstream IIRC. Downside is pinetree-gnome3 might not be wanted everywhere [06:59] See http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/g/gnome-keyring/unstable_changelog and the 2 bugs in the most recent entry [07:05] Changing the dep to pinentry-gtk2 | pinentry-gnome3 might be more suitable here [07:15] hey seb128! [07:18] hey pitti, wie gehts? [07:19] Noskcaj, we don't want new gtk2 depends... what doesn't work in gpg-agent? [07:19] seb128: prima, danke! had some nice basketball games yesterday evening [07:22] hi pitti [07:22] * larsu has the feeling it will get very hot here today as well [07:22] * pitti winkt larsu [07:22] seb128, From my understanding, gnome-keyring hijacks gpg-agent, and as a result removes features [07:22] See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760102 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=787786 [07:22] Debian bug 760102 in gnome-keyring "gnome-keyring: please build with --disable-gpg-agent" [Important,Fixed] [07:22] Debian bug 787786 in gnome-keyring "gnome-keyring: please introduce a dependency on pinentry-gnome3" [Wishlist,Fixed] [07:23] Noskcaj, right, that's a known issue ... so the new version disable the keyring code? [07:23] yes [07:24] The only functionality lost is then re-gained by adding the dep on pinentry [07:24] An alt dep on pinentry-gtk2 could allow the ubuntu-mate guys to not pull in the gnome3 part if they want that [07:35] Noskcaj, did you check that pinentry-gnome3 works under unity? what does it look like UI wise? [07:40] seb128, I've got no unity install. I can test under xfce, but it's CSD stuff is pretty good nowdays [07:43] so pinentry-gnome3 is using csd? [07:43] no idea [07:43] i'm installing it now to see [07:43] Noskcaj, also you should get an unity install, how can you test Ubuntu GNOME packages updates without one? [07:44] seb128, reading changelogs then getting other people to check stuff for me [07:44] My current PC setup is too shitty to have an install. I might be able to get something working when my internet becomes ok in a few weeks [08:05] morning all [08:06] ahoy [08:06] Noskcaj: I think we should, but when I tried it didn't work properly [08:06] hey willcooke, Laney, how is uk? [08:07] toasty [08:07] wasn't a great night of sleep! [08:07] what he said [08:07] same here :-/ [08:07] we had the fan on by the bed [08:07] but it gave me weird dreams [08:07] The thermostat downstairs said is was 33 at midnight :/ [08:07] like at 3am I got paranoid that the noise of the fan would mean that I couldn't hear anybody breaking in downstairs [08:07] so went to check [08:07] WEIRD [08:07] :D [08:07] 33 celcius? [08:07] yah [08:08] crap [08:08] :( [08:08] but luckily, that's summer over and done with now [08:08] * Noskcaj only just remembered it's not winter everywhere [08:08] hehe [08:09] yah gets back to more normal weather from here http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5 [08:10] 30°C is normal summer no? [08:10] oh man, you are back to 20°C, I wouldn't say no to that [08:10] being able to sleep without feeling like you are slowly boiled is nice [08:12] I guess we get it once per year probably [08:12] otherwise... http://www.holiday-weather.com/nottingham/averages/ [08:22] lovely weather you get :-) [08:22] * seb128 doesn't like hot summer days [08:22] shrug, 30°C in the room, night didn't cool much down [08:22] the summer ones seem low to me [08:22] but I believe the data! [08:23] and it's already sunny/warm enough that I had to close the windows [08:23] it's going to be a long day [08:23] :\ [08:23] what's the forecast for you? [08:26] Laney, http://www.bbc.com/weather/2747373 [08:26] in fact they changed, looks like it's getting lower today [08:26] it was 33°C yesterday and they still had 30°C for today [08:26] they revisited that to 26°C now [08:26] nice [08:26] yeah, 26°C is about right :-) [08:39] seb128: did you see the image build failure? [08:40] Laney, yeah, see wily-changes [08:40] I just uploaded what I think should be enough to fix it [08:41] ok, not on that list so I didn't see it, checked livecd-rootfs [08:43] Laney, basically it's because click is still being pulled in [08:43] and I think it's due to u-s-s [08:43] I added a | ubuntu-snappy-cli === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcale === davidcale is now known as davidcalle_ === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === faenil is now known as faenil_ === faenil_ is now known as faenil [10:51] Laney, seb128 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1466290/comments/3 [10:51] Launchpad bug 1466290 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.16" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:55] following on from last nights discussion that bits that need webkit2gtk-4.0 can only be demoted to universe if g-c-c is also [10:57] (thats assuming we can have the new webkit in main for builds only) [10:59] darkxst: can g-c-c binary go to universe and source stay in main as well? [11:03] Laney, yes, I guess only the shared-data binary needs to be in main? [11:05] well not guess, more fact! [11:05] I suppose so [11:05] that is the only reason that g-c-c is still in main [11:06] seems easier to keep it there [11:06] go ahead and ask the mir team what they think imho [11:07] or the MIR team ... :P [11:08] mIr TeAm [11:08] haha [11:09] ogra_: is there a way to get ./update to work with proposed? [11:10] Laney, nope, i dont think so [11:10] and you wouldnt really want that [11:10] what if you need to update a seed for a transition? [11:11] i guess you can only do the meta upload after the transition then [11:11] the transition doesn't happen because of the meta [11:11] :/ [11:12] hmm, drop it from the seed, do the transition, re-add it ? [11:13] this is weird [11:14] Laney, ok, will do [11:16] Laney, well, probably cjwatson has an idea for you === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:17] where is didrocks? [11:18] on hols [11:18] ogra_: I read the code and found a way [11:19] cool [11:19] add dists: wily wily-proposed [11:19] fyi [11:19] well, it's not finished yet, but looks promising so far [11:20] just dont make it permanent ;) [11:21] don't actually know what the problem is with that [11:21] but whatevs [11:22] Laney, infinity is MIR team also? or should I just subscibe the MIR team to the bug report? [11:23] darkxst: launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir/+members but subscribing them is best [11:48] bah [11:49] pitti: any clue why the udisks2 autopkgtest is flapping between pass and fail? [11:49] Laney, can you kick an desktop-next amd64 rebuild for me? [11:50] Laney, stgraber didn't reply and doing cancel on the tracker doesn't work [11:50] Laney: test_force_removal() is apparently racy; I don't get that locally, so at some point I need to debug that on the production VMs === alex-abreu|off is now known as alex-abreu [11:51] seb128: cancelled the builds manually, try again? [11:52] pitti: the previous runs had other tests failing [11:52] Laney, danke, the iso tracker was not in "re-building" anymore so I guess that worked, waiting a few minutes to see the builder side [11:52] Laney: well, same :) [11:53] fair [11:55] we'll get lucky and have both arches passing at the same time soon :P [11:56] Laney, worked, thanks [11:57] ah, the magic pitti touch! [11:57] Laney, I was speaking about desktop-next ;-) [11:57] seb128: I know, he fixed https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-udisks2/ [11:57] my two retries didn't work [11:58] ah ok [12:01] good morning [12:04] seb128: hey, do you have any tips on figuring out a packaging conflict in a crossbuilding chroot [12:04] libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf : Depends: libconnectivity-qt1:armhf (= 0.5.1+15.04.20150618.1-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed [12:05] that is breaking my crosssbuilding unity8 [12:05] greyback, hey, usually try to apt-get install those at the same time and see what it does [12:05] e.g apt-get install libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf libconnectivity-qt1:armhf [12:06] seb128: hmm, it just worked [12:06] weird [12:06] it didn't remove anything? [12:07] no nothing [12:07] what command were you using before? [12:07] there are maybe more packages needed that create the issue? [12:07] apt-get build-dep -aarmhf unity8 [12:07] does that work now? [12:08] it does, but removes libconnectivity-qt1 & its -dev [12:09] well, are those still used/needed? [12:10] seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809786/ is what I get [12:11] unsure how to read that [12:11] validate it? [12:12] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809789/ - I just get into a loop of removing one thing to install another [12:13] I'll have to go through those 1 by 1 to try see where the conflict is [12:14] like i'm ping-ponging between libandroid-properties1 and libandroid-properties1:armhf [12:15] try installing those together? [12:15] to see what issue it has with it [12:15] seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809793/ does that make sense to you? [12:15] libandroid-properties1:armhf depending on libandroid-properties1 ? [12:16] that seems weird [12:16] but the same package on different archs should be co-installable [12:17] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [12:17] libandroid-properties1 : Conflicts: libandroid-properties1:armhf but 0.1.0+git20131207+e452e83-0ubuntu39 is to be installed [12:17] libandroid-properties1:armhf : Conflicts: libandroid-properties1 but 0.1.0+git20131207+e452e83-0ubuntu39 is to be installed [12:17] E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [12:17] seems not [12:19] unsure what's going on :-/ [12:19] xnox or Laney might know better [12:19] me neither. Will keep diggin [12:19] thanks for the help [12:19] yw, sorry to not be able to resolve it === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:58] seb128: greyback: you shall not mix & match different versions of a packages across multiple architectures. [12:58] specifically looks like :i386 / :amd64 version is installed and of a different versions from :armhf one. [13:00] xnox: I can only see the same version of the packages for both arches however [13:00] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11809967/ [13:58] RAOF: fwiw, /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11810250/ ("pause" is all that's reall ythere afaict) [13:59] hallyn, what are you trying to do? [14:00] seb128: i was logging into unity8 [14:00] (see backscroll from about 10 hrs ago) [14:00] bc unity7 isn't working either [14:02] hallyn, did you reset your compiz config for unity7? [14:03] nope [14:04] is guest session working? [14:04] (there was something I'd been asked to reset, but I forget what it was) [14:05] Hm. queue up the things to try and I'll try themwhen I can shut down my work for a bit :) i'll try guest session, how do i reset compiz config? [14:06] dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ [14:13] ah, ok, yes i think i'd been asked to do that last week [14:14] (for fixing unity7) [14:14] will try both, thx [14:14] what distro serie are you using and what did you do around the time unity stop working? [15:16] seb128: ubuntu wily; i did an upgrade. 'Ubuntu' disappeared from my options in the wm list. [15:16] so i apt-get installed unity again, [15:16] it showed back up, but only gvies me a blank screen now. loffice eventually starts up. no panel, shortcuts don't work (can't ctrl-alt-t) [15:18] don't use dist-upgrade and say "yes" when it wants to remove important packages [15:18] it might be worth checkijg dpkg.log to see if there are other packages that got uninstalled that you didn't reinstall [15:20] "don't use dist-upgrade" ? [15:22] that quoting only part of what I wrote [15:22] but yeah, if you use "dist-upgrade" read the output and what it wants to remove before hitting "y" [15:22] especially in unstable cycles [15:22] though such issues shouldn't happen with proposed and britney nowadays [15:24] why on earth would it decide to remove unity... [15:25] i did in fact do "apt-get -y dist-upgrade", perhaps foolhardy, but i'm not sure i'll concede that it *should* be foolhardy [15:25] but i would've said yes anyway bc i don't kow the current structure of all the desktop packaging - no idea what i actually need :) [15:26] i mean, i need qtile, wmii, i3, awesome, dwm.... [15:26] d'oh! [15:26] usually if the "remove" section contains unity or a stack of things that sound like useful, there is an issue [15:27] if it's an old soname from a lib it's probably ok [15:27] well in any case check dpkg.log [15:27] in case other things sound like things to reinstall [15:27] yeah i see unity there, removed along with ubuntu-desktop on june 26 [15:27] you can probably apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop^ [15:27] see if anything comes back [15:28] but that'll only install thunderbird which i don't want :) or is ubuntu-desktop not purely virtual? [15:28] it's a meta package [15:30] libmetacity-private2 had been removed... [15:31] so no, everything except thunderbird that still is valid was re-installed, so that's not the problem now. will try guest session later. thx [16:19] Laney, can you stop the amd64 next build status for me? [16:19] grr [16:19] this self service thing isn't working out very well [16:20] no it's not :-/ [16:23] * Laney tries ;-) [16:30] bah [16:30] let's just ping him every time [16:31] cancelled! [16:36] Laney, just give seb128 your ssh key [16:37] * ogra_ likes pragmatic solutions [16:38] lol [16:38] haha nice [16:38] just paste it in here, what could go wrong! [16:38] good idea, here goes [16:38] -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- [16:38] :D [16:39] see, *thats* how we do it among friends :) [16:39] :D [16:40] * willcooke remembers the time seb128 told us all his password [16:40] ..." you find my ssh key under the doormat" ... [16:40] O_o [16:41] willcooke: was it hunter2 all the cool kids use that....still so glad that irc hashes out passwords thanks again for that ogra_ :) [16:41] :) [16:41] davmor2, no it was ********* [16:42] hunter2 [16:43] Laney: http://bash.org/?244321 [16:44] * ogra_ likes the conclusion :) [16:45] awesome [17:01] * willcooke -> EOD [17:10] * Laney too [17:10] it's just started raining :( [17:10] * Laney ttyl! === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [19:28] * qengho afk. first aid. === pat_ is now known as Guest94669