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Ggeasy007Guys i m having problem with gps in nexus 4 . maps are failing to detect location02:03
ggeasy007Anyone here?02:14
ggeasy007?02:17
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dholbachgood morning06:47
eddy_hi, i bought the bq e5. now I see strange behaviour with the "data-roaming" where is the right place to file a bug? ubuntu-system-settings?06:48
eddy_ah nevermind. I found ofono. I think thats the right place06:53
anpokin general if unsure https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image06:56
anpokeddy_: ^06:56
RAOFDoes anyone have the policies for what we can upload to landing PPAs destined for vivid-overlay?07:03
RAOFSpecifically - the Mir landing PPA needs a new glmark2 with some changes required to build against the new Mir. Can we be lazy and just upload the wily glmark2 (which has those changes, plus some others), or do we need to do the sensible thing and add a minimal patch to update it?07:03
RAOFFor bonus points - where is this documented? ☺07:03
tathhu0w007:45
tathhuOrdered E45.07:45
tathhu*4.5.07:45
tathhuomg07:45
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sturmflut2dpm, dholbach, popey: Apparently the first people in europe have received their official MX4 Ubuntu Edition phones07:57
sturmflut2https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13824.html07:57
popeyyay07:57
tathhuLTE would be "nice to have" on that but otherwise, i'm not complaining07:58
dpmcool08:00
anpokyes mx4 seems to be shipping08:00
ogra_tathhu, nice to hear !08:01
ogra_sturmflut2, well ... pretty sad that the first question is about re-flashing flyme :P08:02
sturmflut2ogra_: Yeah ;)08:02
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sturmflut2ondra: Any hints on how to change the kernel command line on krillin? Where does it even come from, e.g. it contains my device serial (?) and many parameters appear twice08:09
* tathhu hopes to use ubuntu on mobile asap08:10
LeSeb__hi08:10
LeSeb__I have a little question08:10
nhaines!question08:10
ubot5Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience08:10
LeSeb__OK is it possible to change the search engine of the web browser08:11
nhainesOoh, that's a good question.08:11
LeSeb__thx08:11
sturmflut2LeSeb__: Yes, in the settings08:12
sturmflut2First option08:12
tathhuIs somewhere thread about "this is how fast i got my E4.5"? :P08:13
LeSeb__Thanks sturmflut2 !!08:13
LeSeb__i 've got it08:13
sturmflut2tathhu: Well, when I play Don't Crash or Hextris my E4.5 goes as fast as I can throw it08:14
tathhusturmflut2: :-----------D08:14
LeSeb__maybe I have to sleep now ...08:15
tathhuNext week would be awsum08:17
onlahow would you compare jolla phone that runs sailfish OS to a lets say mx4 meizu that runs ubuntu? Which one is more open source08:30
morphisonla: a lot Sailfish UI components are closed and not available as source but for Ubuntu everything is available (excluding device specific drivers)08:33
tathhuCore apps too?08:34
tathhuEverything as in *really everything*?08:34
tathhuI hope Unity is better on bq than nexus 7 :l08:36
tathhuOr maybe I don't know how to use it :(08:37
popeytathhu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers08:38
popeylook down that list, everything listed there has code hosted on launchpad08:38
onlathe top layer only is closed source they say, and they are planning to pen it more. So whats the difference in openness outside OS then.. meizu is chinese and jolla is finnish. Chinese are considered to insert some wiretapping capable code in their chips, finns not?08:38
tathhupopey: thanks!08:39
popeyThe bits which are closed are those which we don't own like drivers.08:39
tathhupopey: tl;dr but looks awesome :P08:39
popeyI don't think there's a lot of difference between sailfish and ubuntu openness tbh08:39
tathhuogra_: you mean with chips like soc?08:40
tathhuonla: ^08:40
ondrasturmflut2 yep there is bug about things being there twice. Part of the command line comes from bootloader and part from kernel. It's defined in kernel config08:40
onlaI don't know much how things work. Just trying to get some kind of picture :s08:41
tathhuonla: JP is using soc from USA, so NSA is whatching me as we speak08:41
tathhuOh wait08:41
onlaoh ok :)08:42
tathhuSailfish = Jollas ui + nemo & mer OSS-project (afaik)08:42
onlathat meizu mx4 with ubuntu has the your regular ubuntu touch installed on it?08:44
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onlaor some heavily modified version for the hardware08:44
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seb128jgdx, hey08:45
onlaI wonder what you can do with the ubuntu touch. What's the go to place to search for apps? jolla has the openrepos.net08:46
ogra_onla, in ubuntu touch the hardware bits and rootfs are stictly separated ... all devices have the same rootfs08:46
tathhuogra_: ubuntu store?08:46
tathhuäähhh08:46
tathhutab - never again.08:46
ogra_heh08:46
ogra_onla, https://uappexplorer.com/08:47
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tathhu(jolla needs something liek that too..)08:48
jgdxseb128, hi08:49
tathhuhow's ubuntu "harbour" (jolla, jolla everywhere) if I submit an app, can I view comments/answer them online etc etc?08:49
onlahttps://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/lynx08:50
onlayou mean like that08:51
tathhuonla: me? i was talking about jolla store :(08:52
tathhuafaik you still need to go to store with your jolla and read comments..08:52
jgdxseb128, sup?08:52
onlathat is the warehouse that the jolla people mostly use I think08:52
seb128jgdx, just as a fyi, I did a manual u-s-s upload to wily to try to unblock snappy image build, I hope that doesn't create too many issues with the pending landings08:52
tathhuonla: i have only one app from warehouse :P08:52
jgdxseb128, will it? :p What's in the upload? Is wily and vivid out of sync?08:53
tathhuonla: and you can't use warehouse to send a comment, you'll need to go to openrepos.net for that08:53
seb128jgdx, unsure if I should just commit that to trunk or mp it, I'm fine having it reverted/overwritten by the next landing08:53
tathhuonla: been there:Å08:53
onlaok08:53
seb128jgdx, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/210511367/ubuntu-system-settings_0.3%2B15.10.20150622-0ubuntu1_0.3%2B15.10.20150622-0ubuntu2.diff.gz08:53
onlaso ubuntus uappexplorer is done better?08:53
seb128jgdx, that can go to vivid as well08:54
tathhuonla: atleast they got some way to check what's in store w/o device08:54
onlaif you compare how much there has been contribution in form of apps to these OS's, which one can offer more08:55
jgdxseb128, yeah. I don't know what will happen when we try to land silo 40/22, but I don't think there's a conflict anywhere.08:55
onlaare there more devices already using ubuntu touch than using sailfish os?08:56
tathhuofficial? more ubuntu.08:56
tathhudifferent devices, i mean08:56
seb128jgdx, feel free to force land even if that overwrite the archive change, I'm going to mp the changes now so we can maybe reinclude them in a landing if they work08:56
onlasailfish os and ubuntu touch are kind of competitors I guess08:58
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popeytathhu: there's 3 devices available via retail running ubuntu08:59
onlajolla has only one, but soon two. But would be interesting to see how many such devices sold09:00
* nhaines patiently waits for a US device.09:00
tathhupopey: yes09:00
onlacan go buy jolla in finland buy marching into a place selling phones. Can't do that to find ubuntu touch09:00
tathhupopey: where's tablet? :P09:00
tathhuonla: no.09:01
tathhui haven't seen even a single jolla in ages09:01
seb128jgdx, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/workaround-click-depends/+merge/26362609:02
onlaoh. well I went to elisa shop online page and checked how much I would get my iphone 4s (i didnt buy it!:) for exchange for jolla and they had it there at least09:02
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onlabut maybe they would need to order it I guess09:02
popeyThere's some shops in Germany selling ubuntu phones I believe.09:03
tathhuonla: ah, i haven't visited elisa shops in yeard09:03
onlaor saunalahti version of elisa shop09:03
tathhuonla: dna had one one for... what's the word but not for sale xD09:03
tathhuonla: don't know about verkkokauppa.com, lol09:04
nhainestathhu: preorder or display?09:04
onlaverkkokauppa.com also has jolla ye09:04
onlaon the website, but don't remember if had it in any of the stores09:05
onlaI could get 70e from my iphone in exchange, but I cant get meizu mx4 and get that 70e :/09:05
popeytathhu: tablets will come later09:06
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy "I Forgot" Day! 😃09:06
onlaso next question would be, that will the ubuntu version of meizu mx4 get to these places like elisa shop etc09:06
ogra_JamesTait, damn ! now you reminded me !!09:06
onlaso I can buy from there and exchange my old phone09:06
tathhunhaines: display, it was 2015 :P09:06
nhainesonla: you'll need to discuss that with the stores themselves.09:06
tathhuonla: get a jolla/ubuntu device and then sell you iphone09:07
tathhuonla: you'll get more €€€ for it :P09:07
tathhuthta's what i did09:07
tathhu(not going to sell jolla though)09:07
tathhupopey: ui needs lancsape first? :P09:08
tathhupopey: or are we going to use home screen on potrait forever :C09:08
popeyit has landscape09:08
tathhuhas it09:08
nhainestathhu: actually the device has landscape.09:08
tathhulauncher/homescreen?09:09
nhainesYes.  And the entire shell at that.09:09
tathhuWell, then!09:09
onlahow I sell my iphone? I'm not into selling it separately. The battery is quite terrible and it has scratches. I would be happy to give it to elisa shop for 69eur09:09
tathhunhaines popey, i clearly wasn't good at using ubuntu on my n7 :D09:10
JamesTaitogra_, you could always drink to forget again. 😉09:11
ogra_phew !09:12
popeytathhu: http://i.imgur.com/lIQOUPt.png?109:12
ogra_thanks :)09:12
tathhupopey: ^^09:12
tathhuähh09:16
tathhushoul've ordered screen protector when ordering phone09:16
tathhu2x 8e + 20€ shipping ":D"09:16
nhainespopey: only 2am and your battery's already at 40%.  *tsk*  :)09:18
* popey wonders where you get 2AM from09:18
nhainesFrom the most important time zone (mine).09:19
popey"Last full charge 23 hours ago"09:19
davmor2nhaines: I think you'll find that GMT is the most import timezone :P09:19
SturmFlutDoes anybody know where a keypad key called "MTK_PMIC_RST_KEY" could be located on krillin? Most likely inside the case?09:19
SturmFlutPMIC is the power management circuit09:20
benonsoftware /buffer defouc09:20
benonsoftwareOops, sorry.09:20
nhainesdavmor2: not if I have anything to say about it.  :)09:23
onlathere is no tox client for ubuntu touch09:30
onlabut is for jolla already09:30
ogra_port it then ;)09:31
onlano whatsapp client09:32
tathhuonla: for ubuntu or jolla?09:33
onlaubuntu09:33
onlai'm not very good coder to start porting apps09:33
* brobostigon has a task on his hands, which is not really possible yet, pebble support.09:35
ogra_unofficial whatsapp clients usually get shot down by whatsapp after a while... not really worth it until there is an official one09:35
onlacouple interesting apps in ubuntu store that I didnt find an equivalent in jolla warehouse are quizlet and slygo are interesting09:40
tathhuonla: what do you need? I can check jolla store09:41
tathhuonla: but this isn't related to ubuntu so msg :P09:42
onlasome flashcard app that uses quizlet decks09:42
onlabut they have anki though in warehouse. Guess that could be fine too. . Yea sorry maybe should stay on topic :)09:43
onlaor maybe I'll just wait, cus that convergence phone seems interesting too09:56
tathhui'd say wait for it09:57
tathhuif you don't need new phone asap09:57
mcphailCan anyone check something for me to see if they think it is a bug, or expected behaviour?10:19
brobostigonwhat is it mcphail ?10:19
mcphailbrobostigon: If I go to, say, en.uappexplorer.com and try to download the .click package, I get an error page saying "no app available to open this" (which is annoying, but fine). If I then rotate to landscape, the error page doesn't adjust to fit the screen10:21
mcphailbrobostigon: sorry, open.uappexplorer.com10:22
brobostigoni have not really used that sute, but can i presume a .click package is some kind of package format like a .deb?10:23
mcphailbrobostigon: yes - the package download isn't really the issue. It is the error page not adjusting to landscape10:23
brobostigonmy gf is on my nexus 4 right now, when i get it back, i will test it.10:25
mcphailbrobostigon: cheers10:25
brobostigonyw.10:25
brobostigonmaybe in the mean time, someone else might be able to test it as well.10:26
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popeymcphail: looks like content-hub doesn't rotate properly10:32
mcphailpopey: should I file a bug?10:33
popeyhttp://imgur.com/zMlV8iB,GU7OUh410:33
popeytwo screenshots10:33
popeyyeah, or poke kenvandine and see if he's already on it.10:33
mcphailpopey: cheers10:34
tathhuwhat10:35
tathhupaid apps in ubuntu store?10:35
tathhucool10:35
mcphailpopey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/content-hub/+bug/1437995 - already reported.10:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 1437995 in content-hub "UI rotation error" [Undecided,New]10:36
tathhuI'm starting to like Ubuntu already.10:39
popeytathhu: there are a few paid apps, not a lot.10:42
tathhupopey: yeah, but atleast paid apps are supported :310:47
popeytathhu: are they not on sailfish?10:47
tathhunope10:47
mariogripdid the ubuntu-desktop-next build server take vacation, last build vas 29-may? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/10:47
tathhuthere's "donations" via flattr10:47
tathhuQuick search from store and everything is there expect some kind of sport tracker :(10:48
ogra_mariogrip, the image is being moved to snappy ... bits are not complete yet10:49
mariogripogra_: ahhh, that's cool :)10:50
ogra_(they are not building because people (seb128) are actively working on them)10:51
sturmflut2ondra: I see! Am I right to assume that the "cmdline" parameter from the Android bootimg.cfg is ignored?11:00
mariogripI found a bug with my bq, i got stuck like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/raapdiaim192wlo/screenshot20150702_125238731.png?dl=0 where should i report this?11:01
ogra_sturmflut2, it works setting it with abootimg (via the update function) in boot.img11:05
ogra_it gets appended to the existing cmdline11:05
sturmflut2ogra_: That has never worked for me, but I'll try again11:05
ogra_(i think unpacking and re-packaing the boot.img with abootimg does not work with the krillin images though)11:05
ogra_(i.e. you can only update the existing one, i used that several times to test cmdline options ... directly on the boot partition though)11:06
ogra_mariogrip, "get stuck" ?11:08
mariogripYeah, i had to reboot11:09
mariogripgot*11:09
ogra_ah, so it doesnt react anymore11:09
mariogripIt works fine after reboot11:10
mariogripI seems like it asked me to type the wifi password and that i had low battery at the same time.11:11
mariogripnoting worked, it was just frozen11:11
sturmflut2ogra_: Ha, guess what, it works11:12
ogra_i know ;)11:13
ogra_hmpf11:13
sturmflut2New article about building and booting modified kernels on krillin is incoming11:13
ogra_          RX packets:50096533 errors:2 dropped:87963 overruns:2 frame:011:13
ogra_          TX packets:109590136 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:011:13
* ogra_ wonders whats up with his server :(11:14
sturmflut2ogra_: Is this a physical interface?11:14
ogra_yup11:14
ogra_its an old laptop running as my mail server ...11:14
ogra_i guess its time for a HW upgrade11:14
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sturmflut2ogra_: You can look at /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/ for a more detailed breakdown, "dropped" is a bit ambiguous because it is up to the driver to decided what counts as a "dropped" packet11:19
sturmflut2ogra_: usually it's the cable or a flaky switch port11:21
ogra_or a worn out laptop socket ;)11:21
ogra_the thing is really old ... first gen amd64 hardware ;)11:21
sturmflut2ogra_: Also note that the meaning of "dropped" has changed several times with some kernel versions11:21
ogra_yeah, doesnt seem to be a physical prob though ... there are no frame errors11:22
sturmflut2ogra_: Do you use VLANs, "strange" protocols or IPv6?11:23
sturmflut2ogra_: Or does one of your components try to use them11:23
ogra_well, i never disabled v6 on that machine11:23
ogra_no VLANs11:23
ogra_my sattelite receiver seems to spam the net a little with mdns bonjour stuff for SAT->IP11:24
ogra_(but that doesnt cause issues for any other device in this network, so i doubt it is related)11:24
sturmflut2Depends on the kernel version and driver11:24
ogra_well, trusty everywhere :)11:24
sturmflut2I love netdev debugging11:25
sturmflut2Everything about networking is so horribly broken11:25
ogra_and still we built a world wide network based on that ;)11:26
sturmflut2ogra_: You mean the "Cat Picture Delivery System"?11:26
ogra_yeah, that :)11:26
jgdxpete-woods1, how's it going?11:31
pete-woods1jgdx: hi11:35
pete-woods1better now I have a non-melted computer again!11:35
pete-woods1https://www.apple.com/uk/support/macbookpro-videoissues/11:35
sturmflut2New post: "Hacking the bq, Part 4: Building and booting a kernel", https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/bq/2015/07/02/hacking-the-bq-part-4-building-and-booting-a-kernel/11:38
sturmflut2pete-woods1: Hey! We talked about extensions to the connectivity-api some months ago, regarding WiFi/Bluetooth/Cellular scanning and stuff like that. Any news?11:39
jgdxpete-woods1, let me know when you've taken a look at the email about indicator+uss communication11:39
pete-woods1jgdx: looks good ot me!11:40
pete-woods1sturmflut2: hi. there hasn't been any progress on that area, unfortunately. I've been doing a *lot* of ground work to make the whole indicator/connectivity API more robust11:41
jgdxpete-woods1, okay, I've completed that, with autopilot tests. How's this work looking for indicator-network?11:41
pete-woods1as it was mostly untested before11:41
pete-woods1jgdx: just about to start doing it, really11:41
pete-woods1but I don't think it should be a huge task11:42
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jgdxpete-woods, the bssid is optional, but it would save us a world of pain if there's ever an ssid name collision.11:42
pete-woodsjgdx: we should already have access to that in the model11:43
pete-woodsso shouldn't be a lot of extra work11:43
jgdxgood11:43
sturmflut2pete-woods: Okay, thanks for the update.11:46
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tathhuÄh, shoulv'e go with E5, 16 gigs of storage...11:57
conyoomx5 ubuntu edition is much nicer11:58
conyoooh!!#@#! mx411:58
tathhuBut I'm poor :(11:58
conyoome 211:59
tathhudamn i'm stupid :D11:59
conyoome 211:59
conyoohi 511:59
tathhu:D11:59
tathhu:(11:59
sturmflut2Hmmmm, will the Convergence device use ARMv8? Because there is not really a way to have more than 3 GB of RAM on ARMv7. Most SoCs can't even use the full 3 GB.12:01
ogra_tathhu, write some paid apps and push them to the ubuntu store ... if enough people buy them you can buy a phone from that ;)12:01
conyoointel12:01
conyooprobably12:01
sturmflut2conyoo: It will be a phone, not a tablet12:02
ogra_sturmflut2, we dont have the touch stack working on arm64 yet12:02
tathhuogra_: webapps for 50€ :P12:02
ogra_(i thinnk there are a bunch of FTBFS packages stilll and nobody bothered to look)12:02
ogra_tathhu, sure, if people buy them ;)12:02
tathhugotta do something super :312:03
sturmflut2ogra_: We all know you and popey already use those 128 Bit RISC-V CPUs12:03
ogra_sturmflut2, nah, i use a ppc64el phone12:03
tathhuOk hows sd card support in ubuntu? (= can get pics from camera and music there w/o problem)12:03
ogra_but only because the sparc port isnt working12:03
tathhu(on jolla i'd need to open terminal for that, gg)12:04
sturmflut2ogra_: Oh god how I miss SPARC12:04
ogra_tathhu, cam, music, videos ... nothing more atm until there is better framework integration for SDs12:04
tathhuogra_: enough, thanks12:04
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mariogripStratos, i bet 40 bux on that it's a scam xP12:20
mariogripFYI https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technoruninc/stratos...12:22
nhainesApparently by "reimagined" they mean "GNOME Shell".12:22
mariogriphahah, FAQ : "StratOS Pro can run and install Linux apps, WIndows apps and Android ones too, while the regular version can only run and install Linux apps. The App Store is bundled with both versions, nonetheless."12:24
tathhu:D12:24
ogra_i wonder what they'd do if they actually get 100s of these "name a process of the OS after you" backers ... your ps output would look like a telephone book12:26
mariogripheheheheh xP12:27
ogra_(and nobody would know what all these humanly named processes actually are)12:27
* nhaines init.nhaines.d12:27
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mariogripthe logo they they use looks like an riped up windows logo12:28
conyooSamsung claims to sell 1 million units of Tizen-powered Z1 smartphone12:29
conyooIndia is the only country where the Z1 has launched so far12:29
Tom_LeeGreetings people of the internet!12:43
Tom_LeeWas curious if there's support for android developed applications to be ported to ubuntu native?12:44
nhainesIf they're Cordova apps, sure!12:47
Tom_LeeIs there any documentation on it?12:48
nhainesThat I don't know for certain.12:51
tathhu*c12:55
tathhubq pls, ship it ;_;12:55
jrbtHey!13:12
jrbtEdit from thing that have said yesterday: I updated my nexus 4 to ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu-developer now I have the Nearby scope13:13
Laneyboiko: hi, can we please get https://code.launchpad.net/~tiagosh/telephony-service/update-tp-qt-0.9.6.1/+merge/262106 into wily?13:16
Laneywe need to rebuild telephony-service for the new platform-api but it is broken without this fix13:16
boikoLaney: we need to test that, it is on a silo already, but we will only be able to get to that after we fix two critical bugs we have in vivid :/13:17
Laneywhy does it have to wait for that?13:17
Laneyunfortunately platform-api got published so wily-proposed is backed up atm :(13:18
boikoLaney: because we don't have time to test it until the critical bugs for OTA5 are fixed13:19
boikoLaney: telephony-service is not the only package that needs fixing, there is also telepathy-ofono and history-service, they are all in silo 39 just waiting for us to test it13:20
Laneyit's only telephony-service which is holding up wily-proposed atm13:21
boikoLaney: I will talk to bfiller and check what we can do, I think we can get it landed to wily still today, but probably more towards the end of the day13:26
boikoLaney: I will talk to bfiller and see what we can do13:26
Laneyboiko: thanks, I think it shouldn't require too much validation since the changes are all in tests/13:28
Laney:)13:28
boikoLaney: yep, the only thing is that once that lands, building telephony-service on vivid will be broken, that's why I need to discuss that with bfiller13:29
boikoLaney: we will get telepathy-qt5 updated on vivid, but only after OTA513:30
LaneyOK, I'm only worried about wily atm ;)13:30
boikoLaney: we are more worried about vivid/OTA5, so it is a tie :)13:31
sturmflut2Now this is interesting14:37
sturmflut2I always thought that the Preloader for Ubuntu and Android is the same, and it just reads the partition table from flash, but that's not true. The partition table is hardcoded in the Preloader and changes for every device/OS combination.14:38
ogra_well, for MTK, yes14:39
sturmflut2MediaTek engineers sure make strange decisions14:39
ogra_lol14:39
sturmflut2Doesn't that mean that they also need different Preloaders for all MX4 subvariants?14:40
ogra_such an understatement14:40
sturmflut2The Kernel source code generates the partition table from an XLS file?!?14:44
ogra_yes, shiny, aint it ?14:44
ogra_:P14:45
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sturmflut2When I'm finished with this, MediaTek can hire me14:58
tathhu:D14:58
OerHeks!info openssh15:03
ubot5Package openssh does not exist in vivid15:03
popey!info opsnssh-server15:03
ubot5Package opsnssh-server does not exist in vivid15:03
popeyif i could type15:03
popey!info openssh-server15:03
ubot5openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. In component main, is optional. Version 1:6.7p1-5ubuntu1 (vivid), package size 363 kB, installed size 1121 kB15:03
OerHeksthanks popey, it is the ssh metapackage now, i guess15:04
alin_ahoe... jut got my meizu ubuntu...15:14
ogra_wheee15:14
sturmflut2ogra_: Do we use cryptographic signatures on our devices? Looks like krillin enables the feature in the Preloader, and there is an RSA key configured.15:17
tathhuAand now I'm not sure if i got my order cancelled as dude from bq quitted chat :(15:18
tathhu(tried to upgrade to E5)15:18
conyooalin_, gold?15:21
ogra_sturmflut2, not to my knowledge15:22
alin_conyoo: nope white15:23
sturmflut2ogra_: Ah, it's configured, but it gets all its data from the SECURE partition on the device, and I have no idea what the library then does with it, because all the code is inside a binary blob15:26
ogra_i'm pretty sure we never touched any of that15:27
sturmflut2ogra_: I hope so, because if I'm not mistaken bq published the private key15:28
brunch875the sdk is being nasty15:28
brunch875I wonder if it has to do with the fakevim mode15:28
tathhui hope it isn' cancelled ":D"15:30
tathhuähhh.15:30
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alinstupid question does ubuntu touch meizu be playble from adb?17:14
popeyyou can attach to an ubuntu phone over adb, yes17:15
popeyif you enable developer mode17:15
alinpopey: ok I enabled it17:15
alinalso on n5 I can boot in recovery via power button and volume down/up17:17
alinis there anything like that?17:17
popeyyeah, I guess so, not tried17:17
alinlet me check the cable17:19
alinadb does not seem to list anythin17:19
mr-tthi17:21
mr-ttwhat's the best way to transfer files from a pc to the phone via network?17:21
popeymr-tt: scp?17:22
mr-ttpopey: scp from the phone or to the phone?17:23
popeyeither :)17:23
mr-ttis it possible to run the sftp server as nonroot and with password protection on the phone?17:23
alin_also is normal for console to ask for a password?17:24
popeyi use scp to copy files to my phone all the time17:25
alin_popey: ok I come to that later... I see is just paranoia... for developer mode you need a keycode or so17:26
alin_the same for terminal...17:26
mr-ttpopey: how do i setup scp access?17:28
tathhusftp? ":D"17:28
popeythe keycode is your password / passphrase17:28
alin_popey: yap got it... quite surprising...17:30
tathhuGotta flash ubuntu on n7 again so i17:31
tathhui'd stop asking these stupid questions xD17:31
jrbtHello :)17:39
jrbtAm I the only one who have problems with "click"?17:40
popeyjrbt: hard to tell17:44
jrbtpopey, ?17:44
popeyyou haven't given us a lot to go on.17:45
jrbtOh, I don't understand the problem but I always report it.17:46
jrbtI will retry to install a kit and if I have it once again I tell you ;)17:46
jrbtAlso, on the devel-proposed on Nexus 4 the GPS doesn't works?17:47
popeyDunno, I don't have a nexus 4... mhall119 ^17:48
davmor2jrbt: yes it does you just need to give it 15 minutes17:48
jrbtuh meaning? wait 15minutes before each use?17:49
davmor2jrbt: oh actually you might be able to install the here maps app now that would help you17:49
mhall119jrbt: there's a channel with the HERE customization that makes it work better17:49
davmor2mhall119: I think here got released to the store17:49
mhall119davmor2: the map app did, not the AGPS stuff17:49
davmor2mhall119: ah right17:49
jrbtOk, I am on the devel-proposed channel17:50
jrbtHere Maps is preinstalled17:50
jrbtoh, cellular data doesn't work too?17:51
KnipleHi there, I just today got my new MX4 Ubuntu edition, and it seems like the battery wont charge when the phone is turned on. Anyone of you guys heard of this problem before? I'm wondering if theres any general problem with it, couldnt find anything on google. :(17:53
KnipleActually, it doesnt seem to be charging at all.17:53
davmor2Kniple: are you trying to charge from the wall socket or pc17:54
KnipleI've tried both.17:54
KnipleThey shipped it with an american socket charger, but I had an old one with the same voltage/ampere.17:55
davmor2Kniple: it should charge from the wall socket, but might not from a pc, there is working going into looking at the power drain17:55
Knipledavmor2: Doesnt seem to be charging, I guess I'll leave it there for a while, see if it changes at all. Right now it hasnt moved from 35% at all in about an hour.17:56
davmor2jrbt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/BugReportInclusions should help you file bugs for the lack of cellular data17:57
jrbtdavmor2, ok thanks.18:00
davmor2Kniple: try rebooting it too incase it got caught in some crazy loop, might help, might not, just a thought18:01
Knipleyeah, thought of that, didnt work either. It pushed an update the first thing it did when I booted it from the box.18:01
KnipleAlso tried charging it turned off, but doesnt seem to work either.18:02
Knipleits also quite warm to the touch, even now when its turned off (and "charging")18:02
mhall119jrbt: cellular works fine for me on my nexus 4, what carrier do you have?18:03
* mhall119 bets it's t-mobile18:03
jrbtmhall119, Free Mobile18:05
jrbt(french carrier)18:05
mhall119ah, still might be the same problem with APNs18:06
mhall119pmcgowan: do we have a table or something of APN customizations for carriers that don't automatically work?18:07
jrbtI've heard some people doesn't receive mms but the data worked well until I have upgraded to devel-proposed.18:07
jrbtI am not anymore on stable maybe it is that the problem?18:08
pmcgowanthere is a bug on free mobile18:08
jrbtah ok.18:09
pmcgowanmhall119, not really we just keep updating the apn db18:09
pmcgowanjrbt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/141797618:10
ubot5Launchpad bug 1417976 in nuntium (Ubuntu) "Cannot send MMS with Free Mobile when on Wifi" [High,In progress]18:10
pmcgowanthats just mms though18:10
jrbtOh, yes, I know, ubuntu touch has lot of problem with mms (and maybe only with french carrier :P)18:11
jrbtbut now I don't have at all cellular data.18:11
mhall119pmcgowan: that sounds like the more general MMS not working when wifi is on bug18:12
pmcgowanright18:13
pmcgowanrehre was a no data after flight mode bug that was just fixed18:14
pmcgowanthere18:14
jrbtthere are an update tonight?18:14
jrbt(I have deleted a mail from the mailing list too fast --')18:15
jrbt-> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/18:16
jrbt:)18:16
jrbtoh, once again my phone has totally freeze..18:18
jrbtOh, note: this is only the interface, I can use the adb shell on my pc18:21
pmcgowanjrbt, which phone and channel?18:21
jrbtNexus 4 - Ubuntu Touch / Devel Proposed / Ubuntu Developer18:21
jrbt(I hope to receive my Bq 5 soon :P)18:22
mhall119devel proposed is the wily base, IIRC, which you shouldn't use as it's not being tested for phone use18:23
jrbtoh, in fact that is not the interface, it is I can't pull up the notification bar18:23
mhall119jrbt: I run channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en18:23
mhall119that has a Nexus 4 image with the HERE AGPS services, and it's updated just about daily18:24
jrbtrc-proposed/mako so?18:24
mhall119no, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en18:24
mhall119but it has mako images, regardless of what the channel name is18:25
jrbtoh, good to know, thanks!18:25
mhall119np18:25
jrbtI shouldn't downgrade right? need to reinstall?18:25
mhall119jrbt: you'll need to use ubuntu-device-flash to install it, yes18:26
mhall119jrbt: but don't use --wipe and you won't lose your user data18:26
jrbtok, but should I use --wipe?18:26
jrbtok ;)18:26
mhall119nope18:26
jrbtkit installation "finished", well so everyone has that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811641/ ?18:33
ogra_mhall119, cellular is known to be broken in wily18:33
ogra_(i heard)18:33
mhall119yes, a NetworkManager update for desktop broke it, IIRC18:34
* ogra_ cant preach enough to not *use* wily ... (fine for testing, not fine for using)18:34
jrbtogra_, :P I do backup of my phone data everyday :)18:35
* brobostigon just wants bug 1247216 implemented18:35
ubot5bug 1247216 in messaging-app (Ubuntu) "Support for XMPP" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124721618:35
ogra_jrbt, wily only gets very very marginal QA and is not planned to land on any phones18:36
ogra_it is really nothing for daily use18:36
jrbtOk.18:36
ogra_(read: expect breakage at an time... and expect that fixes in wily are lower prio than in vivid)18:37
tathhuOh bq, really18:38
tathhuRip care, would be nice to know if they cancelled that order or not...................18:38
* tathhu rages 18:39
KnipleUgh, I can't find anyone else who has gotten their MX4 yet. So theres no one else with my problem... :(18:39
jrbtbrobostigon, I prefer this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1331348 :)18:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 1331348 in address-book-app (Ubuntu) "No import/export to/from files" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:40
ogra_Kniple, the MX4 still has plenty problems, specifically with battery (charging, discharging, getting warm when charging ... ) and some performance issues18:40
brobostigonjrbt: important as well, yes. i think import/export to sim is there.18:41
Knipleogra_: I see. Thats pretty sad. I wanted to try it out, but I guess I'll have to wait a while, see if updates solve the problems18:41
tathhuShoul've got E5 in the first place..18:41
jrbtno everyone has his contacts on his sim :)18:42
jrbtnot*18:42
ogra_Kniple, well, it is usable but you might have to charge often etc18:42
jrbt(sorry for my english --')18:42
Knipleogra_: It doesnt even take charge right now.18:42
* brobostigon has his contacts on sd and google.18:42
* ogra_ uses his sa day to day phone 18:42
ogra_*as18:42
Kniplebeen stuck on 35% for about an hour and a half18:42
ogra_Kniple, it takes very long to charge18:42
jgdxKniple, that might actually not be stuck18:42
Knipleoh18:43
KnipleWell that sounds... bad :D18:43
ogra_several hours ... and then it suddenly jumps from something like 70% to 10018:43
Knipleoh dear18:43
jrbtoh and import a .ics to calendar would be cool too :D18:43
ogra_yeah, bugs :)18:43
KnipleSo the power is misrepresentated?18:43
ogra_will be fixed18:43
ja_hello18:43
Kniplethe battery is actually charging, but the system isnt keeping tabs on it?18:43
ogra_right18:43
tathhuÄh, trying to find battery reviews for Ex  :C18:44
ogra_you should feel it getting warm when it actually charges18:44
Knipleoh thats a lot less bad than I first thought. Means I might even be able to use it as day to day phone18:44
Knipleit is18:44
tathhuOk 6-18 0-100 is enoug XD18:44
ogra_yeah, just give it a few hours ... i guess especially the first charge will take long18:44
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KnipleI'll keep it charging until I have to go to work tomorrow, 10 hours from now18:45
ja_I received my mx4 ubuntu, I played and I want the factory reset. I saw that: "a recovery image that does NOT enable ADB by default, leading to a “Failed to enter Recovery” error message"18:46
ja_http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/05/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-1-ubuntu-device-flash/18:46
Kniplethanks for the information ogra_!18:46
ja_Of Course, I do not find the image for the mx4 :)18:46
Knipleogra_: is there some central forum for talks on the MX4? or where do you base your information on?18:47
ja_The image exists for Aquaris E4.5 but not for mx418:47
alin_ I know it may sound stupid but since I want to tinker with the meizu ubuntu I want to know how to fix it in the worst case of breackage  that being how once can flash a clean image, and worst build one for mx4 so I want to now how is possible to but in recovery and things like that18:48
ogra_Kniple, i did work on the phone stuff until recently :)18:48
ja_alin_: :)18:48
tathhualin_: Tm_T afaik flashed "stock"18:49
Knipleoh ogra_, nice.18:49
tathhu*iirc18:49
jrbtmhall119, thanks! upgrade finished, data works well :)18:49
ogra_(and i'm using the MX4 as daily phone as i said :) )18:49
tathhuok both :P18:49
ja_alin_: paused the same question 2 minutes ago18:49
ja_alin_: it takes a image with adb. But I can not find it18:51
ja_alin_: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/05/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-1-ubuntu-device-flash/18:51
alin_ja_: adb devices does not even load mine...18:51
ja_alin_: it's for aquaris18:51
mhall119jrbt: you're welcome :)18:52
alin_ja_: in principle is opensource I expect to find in some repo all the needed things18:52
ogra_john-mcaleely, ^^ do we have the recovery for arale somewhere ?18:52
ogra_(should probably go to some public doc :) )18:52
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tathhuäh, that ubuntu edition-case is so cool :(19:14
ogra_it looks really cool, but it also makes it harder to use the phone one handed19:16
ogra_since you always need to hold open the flap19:16
tathhuGood point19:16
tathhuI got that "crystal cover" or whatever19:17
tathhuJust to be safe. :D19:17
ogra_and it has an issue when using auto-brightness ... since there is no hole punched into the flap where the brightness sensor sits19:17
ogra_(so it is always at darkest level making it hard to read the stuff in the circle)19:18
tathhuThat logic19:18
ogra_but still, it looks damn cool ;)19:18
jrbt(if someone doesn't want his meizu mx4 ubuntu edition I can become a trash :) )19:18
ogra_(and is an awesome idea too)19:18
jrbtHow do you see the future BQ convergence phone?19:19
ogra_bright and shiny :)19:20
ogra_(but i'm totally biased :) )19:20
tathhu:P19:20
jrbtI hope it will enough powerful to replace my phone AND my pc19:20
ogra_i doubt it can replace something like an i7 PC with 32GB RAM and fast SSD ...19:21
tathhubut can I play counter-strike on it?19:21
tathhuwait what19:21
tathhuminesweeper19:21
ogra_i would rather think it can replace something in the smartbook category19:22
jrbtogra_, I just want an i5, 128gb sdd and 8gb of ram :)19:22
ogra_yeah, i guess the 8G RAM might be a prob :)19:22
dobeyalso the i5 :P19:23
dobeyi5 in a phone == 20 min battery life19:23
ogra_getting more than 3GB to work with a 32bit ARM isnt possible19:23
jrbtIt need to be x86 ;)19:23
jrbthow run firefox, libreoffice etc, if it is not x86?19:23
ogra_by using the arm builds ?19:23
tathhu^ rekt19:23
jrbtand my atom editor? eh, my atom ? :D19:24
ogra_thats a webapp :P19:24
jrbtogra_, atom is already slow, no thanks :P19:24
jrbtI really hope which will not be ARM.19:27
jrbtBut, yep I think that the convergence phone will be chromebook like pc19:27
* ogra_ wants ARM for long battery life while the device is used as phone19:28
tathhuhotswap :P19:28
dobeymeh. i'll settle for a phone that works very well as a phone19:32
jrbtAlso, usb-c of course for recharging and use a screen19:34
jrbtwell, Install a kit via Ubuntu SDK doesn't works, I've tried with "sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 create" but doesn't works too -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811956/19:36
brunch875whenever I run qmlscene, the Ubuntu SDK becomes unresponsive until I resize its window19:37
brunch875now that's bizarre and annoying19:37
ogra_jrbt, and dwarfs that do your dishes over night !19:38
jrbtogra_, ?20:08
ogra_jrbt, that was in return to "usb-c" :)20:09
jrbtoh :D20:09
jrbtWellm I had my problem on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/134303920:28
ubot5Launchpad bug 1343039 in click (Ubuntu) "Cannot install chroot" [Undecided,Fix released]20:28
jrbtLast comment on "2014-07-22"20:28
SturmFlutjrbt: Strange error. I think I have created about 50 schroots over the last year, and this is not one of the errors I have ever seen.20:34
jrbt:( lucky you20:35
SturmFlutjrbt: Which distribution are you on, and are you using the SDK PPA?20:36
jrbtI am on Ubuntu 15.0420:36
jrbtI have installed the phablet ppa as it is said on the doc20:37
jrbt(ubuntu-sdk-team*)20:37
SturmFlutjrbt: Okay, that should be the correct setup20:38
SturmFlutArgh, MediaTek puts the Little Kernel in the UBOOT partition, what a great naming scheme20:40
SturmFlutNew post: "Mediatek details: Partitions and Preloader", http://sturmflut.github.io/mediatek/2015/07/04/mediatek-details-partitions-and-preloader/20:47
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