[02:03] <Ggeasy007> Guys i m having problem with gps in nexus 4 . maps are failing to detect location
[02:14] <ggeasy007> Anyone here?
[02:17] <ggeasy007> ?
[03:31] <Archnet> test
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:48] <eddy_> hi, i bought the bq e5. now I see strange behaviour with the "data-roaming" where is the right place to file a bug? ubuntu-system-settings?
[06:53] <eddy_> ah nevermind. I found ofono. I think thats the right place
[06:56] <anpok> in general if unsure https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[06:56] <anpok> eddy_: ^
[07:03] <RAOF> Does anyone have the policies for what we can upload to landing PPAs destined for vivid-overlay?
[07:03] <RAOF> Specifically - the Mir landing PPA needs a new glmark2 with some changes required to build against the new Mir. Can we be lazy and just upload the wily glmark2 (which has those changes, plus some others), or do we need to do the sensible thing and add a minimal patch to update it?
[07:03] <RAOF> For bonus points - where is this documented? ☺
[07:45] <tathhu> 0w0
[07:45] <tathhu> Ordered E45.
[07:45] <tathhu> *4.5.
[07:45] <tathhu> omg
[07:57] <sturmflut2> dpm, dholbach, popey: Apparently the first people in europe have received their official MX4 Ubuntu Edition phones
[07:57] <sturmflut2> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13824.html
[07:57] <popey> yay
[07:58] <tathhu> LTE would be "nice to have" on that but otherwise, i'm not complaining
[08:00] <dpm> cool
[08:00] <anpok> yes mx4 seems to be shipping
[08:01] <ogra_> tathhu, nice to hear !
[08:02] <ogra_> sturmflut2, well ... pretty sad that the first question is about re-flashing flyme :P
[08:02] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Yeah ;)
[08:09] <sturmflut2> ondra: Any hints on how to change the kernel command line on krillin? Where does it even come from, e.g. it contains my device serial (?) and many parameters appear twice
[08:10]  * tathhu hopes to use ubuntu on mobile asap
[08:10] <LeSeb__> hi
[08:10] <LeSeb__> I have a little question
[08:10] <nhaines> !question
[08:11] <LeSeb__> OK is it possible to change the search engine of the web browser
[08:11] <nhaines> Ooh, that's a good question.
[08:11] <LeSeb__> thx
[08:12] <sturmflut2> LeSeb__: Yes, in the settings
[08:12] <sturmflut2> First option
[08:13] <tathhu> Is somewhere thread about "this is how fast i got my E4.5"? :P
[08:13] <LeSeb__> Thanks sturmflut2 !!
[08:13] <LeSeb__> i 've got it
[08:14] <sturmflut2> tathhu: Well, when I play Don't Crash or Hextris my E4.5 goes as fast as I can throw it
[08:14] <tathhu> sturmflut2: :-----------D
[08:15] <LeSeb__> maybe I have to sleep now ...
[08:17] <tathhu> Next week would be awsum
[08:30] <onla> how would you compare jolla phone that runs sailfish OS to a lets say mx4 meizu that runs ubuntu? Which one is more open source
[08:33] <morphis> onla: a lot Sailfish UI components are closed and not available as source but for Ubuntu everything is available (excluding device specific drivers)
[08:34] <tathhu> Core apps too?
[08:34] <tathhu> Everything as in *really everything*?
[08:36] <tathhu> I hope Unity is better on bq than nexus 7 :l
[08:37] <tathhu> Or maybe I don't know how to use it :(
[08:38] <popey> tathhu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[08:38] <popey> look down that list, everything listed there has code hosted on launchpad
[08:38] <onla> the top layer only is closed source they say, and they are planning to pen it more. So whats the difference in openness outside OS then.. meizu is chinese and jolla is finnish. Chinese are considered to insert some wiretapping capable code in their chips, finns not?
[08:39] <tathhu> popey: thanks!
[08:39] <popey> The bits which are closed are those which we don't own like drivers.
[08:39] <tathhu> popey: tl;dr but looks awesome :P
[08:39] <popey> I don't think there's a lot of difference between sailfish and ubuntu openness tbh
[08:40] <tathhu> ogra_: you mean with chips like soc?
[08:40] <tathhu> onla: ^
[08:40] <ondra> sturmflut2 yep there is bug about things being there twice. Part of the command line comes from bootloader and part from kernel. It's defined in kernel config
[08:41] <onla> I don't know much how things work. Just trying to get some kind of picture :s
[08:41] <tathhu> onla: JP is using soc from USA, so NSA is whatching me as we speak
[08:41] <tathhu> Oh wait
[08:42] <onla> oh ok :)
[08:42] <tathhu> Sailfish = Jollas ui + nemo & mer OSS-project (afaik)
[08:44] <onla> that meizu mx4 with ubuntu has the your regular ubuntu touch installed on it?
[08:44] <onla> or some heavily modified version for the hardware
[08:45] <seb128> jgdx, hey
[08:46] <onla> I wonder what you can do with the ubuntu touch. What's the go to place to search for apps? jolla has the openrepos.net
[08:46] <ogra_> onla, in ubuntu touch the hardware bits and rootfs are stictly separated ... all devices have the same rootfs
[08:46] <tathhu> ogra_: ubuntu store?
[08:46] <tathhu> äähhh
[08:46] <tathhu> tab - never again.
[08:46] <ogra_> heh
[08:47] <ogra_> onla, https://uappexplorer.com/
[08:48] <tathhu> (jolla needs something liek that too..)
[08:49] <jgdx> seb128, hi
[08:49] <tathhu> how's ubuntu "harbour" (jolla, jolla everywhere) if I submit an app, can I view comments/answer them online etc etc?
[08:50] <onla> https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/lynx
[08:51] <onla> you mean like that
[08:52] <tathhu> onla: me? i was talking about jolla store :(
[08:52] <tathhu> afaik you still need to go to store with your jolla and read comments..
[08:52] <jgdx> seb128, sup?
[08:52] <onla> that is the warehouse that the jolla people mostly use I think
[08:52] <seb128> jgdx, just as a fyi, I did a manual u-s-s upload to wily to try to unblock snappy image build, I hope that doesn't create too many issues with the pending landings
[08:52] <tathhu> onla: i have only one app from warehouse :P
[08:53] <jgdx> seb128, will it? :p What's in the upload? Is wily and vivid out of sync?
[08:53] <tathhu> onla: and you can't use warehouse to send a comment, you'll need to go to openrepos.net for that
[08:53] <seb128> jgdx, unsure if I should just commit that to trunk or mp it, I'm fine having it reverted/overwritten by the next landing
[08:53] <tathhu> onla: been there:Å
[08:53] <onla> ok
[08:53] <seb128> jgdx, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/210511367/ubuntu-system-settings_0.3%2B15.10.20150622-0ubuntu1_0.3%2B15.10.20150622-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[08:53] <onla> so ubuntus uappexplorer is done better?
[08:54] <seb128> jgdx, that can go to vivid as well
[08:54] <tathhu> onla: atleast they got some way to check what's in store w/o device
[08:55] <onla> if you compare how much there has been contribution in form of apps to these OS's, which one can offer more
[08:55] <jgdx> seb128, yeah. I don't know what will happen when we try to land silo 40/22, but I don't think there's a conflict anywhere.
[08:56] <onla> are there more devices already using ubuntu touch than using sailfish os?
[08:56] <tathhu> official? more ubuntu.
[08:56] <tathhu> different devices, i mean
[08:56] <seb128> jgdx, feel free to force land even if that overwrite the archive change, I'm going to mp the changes now so we can maybe reinclude them in a landing if they work
[08:58] <onla> sailfish os and ubuntu touch are kind of competitors I guess
[08:59] <popey> tathhu: there's 3 devices available via retail running ubuntu
[09:00] <onla> jolla has only one, but soon two. But would be interesting to see how many such devices sold
[09:00]  * nhaines patiently waits for a US device.
[09:00] <tathhu> popey: yes
[09:00] <onla> can go buy jolla in finland buy marching into a place selling phones. Can't do that to find ubuntu touch
[09:00] <tathhu> popey: where's tablet? :P
[09:01] <tathhu> onla: no.
[09:01] <tathhu> i haven't seen even a single jolla in ages
[09:02] <seb128> jgdx, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/workaround-click-depends/+merge/263626
[09:02] <onla> oh. well I went to elisa shop online page and checked how much I would get my iphone 4s (i didnt buy it!:) for exchange for jolla and they had it there at least
[09:02] <onla> but maybe they would need to order it I guess
[09:03] <popey> There's some shops in Germany selling ubuntu phones I believe.
[09:03] <tathhu> onla: ah, i haven't visited elisa shops in yeard
[09:03] <onla> or saunalahti version of elisa shop
[09:03] <tathhu> onla: dna had one one for... what's the word but not for sale xD
[09:04] <tathhu> onla: don't know about verkkokauppa.com, lol
[09:04] <nhaines> tathhu: preorder or display?
[09:04] <onla> verkkokauppa.com also has jolla ye
[09:05] <onla> on the website, but don't remember if had it in any of the stores
[09:05] <onla> I could get 70e from my iphone in exchange, but I cant get meizu mx4 and get that 70e :/
[09:06] <popey> tathhu: tablets will come later
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy "I Forgot" Day! 😃
[09:06] <onla> so next question would be, that will the ubuntu version of meizu mx4 get to these places like elisa shop etc
[09:06] <ogra_> JamesTait, damn ! now you reminded me !!
[09:06] <onla> so I can buy from there and exchange my old phone
[09:06] <tathhu> nhaines: display, it was 2015 :P
[09:06] <nhaines> onla: you'll need to discuss that with the stores themselves.
[09:07] <tathhu> onla: get a jolla/ubuntu device and then sell you iphone
[09:07] <tathhu> onla: you'll get more €€€ for it :P
[09:07] <tathhu> thta's what i did
[09:07] <tathhu> (not going to sell jolla though)
[09:08] <tathhu> popey: ui needs lancsape first? :P
[09:08] <tathhu> popey: or are we going to use home screen on potrait forever :C
[09:08] <popey> it has landscape
[09:08] <tathhu> has it
[09:08] <nhaines> tathhu: actually the device has landscape.
[09:09] <tathhu> launcher/homescreen?
[09:09] <nhaines> Yes.  And the entire shell at that.
[09:09] <tathhu> Well, then!
[09:09] <onla> how I sell my iphone? I'm not into selling it separately. The battery is quite terrible and it has scratches. I would be happy to give it to elisa shop for 69eur
[09:10] <tathhu> nhaines popey, i clearly wasn't good at using ubuntu on my n7 :D
[09:11] <JamesTait> ogra_, you could always drink to forget again. 😉
[09:12] <ogra_> phew !
[09:12] <popey> tathhu: http://i.imgur.com/lIQOUPt.png?1
[09:12] <ogra_> thanks :)
[09:12] <tathhu> popey: ^^
[09:16] <tathhu> ähh
[09:16] <tathhu> shoul've ordered screen protector when ordering phone
[09:16] <tathhu> 2x 8e + 20€ shipping ":D"
[09:18] <nhaines> popey: only 2am and your battery's already at 40%.  *tsk*  :)
[09:18]  * popey wonders where you get 2AM from
[09:19] <nhaines> From the most important time zone (mine).
[09:19] <popey> "Last full charge 23 hours ago"
[09:19] <davmor2> nhaines: I think you'll find that GMT is the most import timezone :P
[09:19] <SturmFlut> Does anybody know where a keypad key called "MTK_PMIC_RST_KEY" could be located on krillin? Most likely inside the case?
[09:20] <SturmFlut> PMIC is the power management circuit
[09:20] <benonsoftware>  /buffer defouc
[09:20] <benonsoftware> Oops, sorry.
[09:23] <nhaines> davmor2: not if I have anything to say about it.  :)
[09:30] <onla> there is no tox client for ubuntu touch
[09:30] <onla> but is for jolla already
[09:31] <ogra_> port it then ;)
[09:32] <onla> no whatsapp client
[09:33] <tathhu> onla: for ubuntu or jolla?
[09:33] <onla> ubuntu
[09:33] <onla> i'm not very good coder to start porting apps
[09:35]  * brobostigon has a task on his hands, which is not really possible yet, pebble support.
[09:35] <ogra_> unofficial whatsapp clients usually get shot down by whatsapp after a while... not really worth it until there is an official one
[09:40] <onla> couple interesting apps in ubuntu store that I didnt find an equivalent in jolla warehouse are quizlet and slygo are interesting
[09:41] <tathhu> onla: what do you need? I can check jolla store
[09:42] <tathhu> onla: but this isn't related to ubuntu so msg :P
[09:42] <onla> some flashcard app that uses quizlet decks
[09:43] <onla> but they have anki though in warehouse. Guess that could be fine too. . Yea sorry maybe should stay on topic :)
[09:56] <onla> or maybe I'll just wait, cus that convergence phone seems interesting too
[09:57] <tathhu> i'd say wait for it
[09:57] <tathhu> if you don't need new phone asap
[10:19] <mcphail> Can anyone check something for me to see if they think it is a bug, or expected behaviour?
[10:19] <brobostigon> what is it mcphail ?
[10:21] <mcphail> brobostigon: If I go to, say, en.uappexplorer.com and try to download the .click package, I get an error page saying "no app available to open this" (which is annoying, but fine). If I then rotate to landscape, the error page doesn't adjust to fit the screen
[10:22] <mcphail> brobostigon: sorry, open.uappexplorer.com
[10:23] <brobostigon> i have not really used that sute, but can i presume a .click package is some kind of package format like a .deb?
[10:23] <mcphail> brobostigon: yes - the package download isn't really the issue. It is the error page not adjusting to landscape
[10:25] <brobostigon> my gf is on my nexus 4 right now, when i get it back, i will test it.
[10:25] <mcphail> brobostigon: cheers
[10:25] <brobostigon> yw.
[10:26] <brobostigon> maybe in the mean time, someone else might be able to test it as well.
[10:32] <popey> mcphail: looks like content-hub doesn't rotate properly
[10:33] <mcphail> popey: should I file a bug?
[10:33] <popey> http://imgur.com/zMlV8iB,GU7OUh4
[10:33] <popey> two screenshots
[10:33] <popey> yeah, or poke kenvandine and see if he's already on it.
[10:34] <mcphail> popey: cheers
[10:35] <tathhu> what
[10:35] <tathhu> paid apps in ubuntu store?
[10:35] <tathhu> cool
[10:36] <mcphail> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/content-hub/+bug/1437995 - already reported.
[10:39] <tathhu> I'm starting to like Ubuntu already.
[10:42] <popey> tathhu: there are a few paid apps, not a lot.
[10:47] <tathhu> popey: yeah, but atleast paid apps are supported :3
[10:47] <popey> tathhu: are they not on sailfish?
[10:47] <tathhu> nope
[10:47] <mariogrip> did the ubuntu-desktop-next build server take vacation, last build vas 29-may? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/
[10:47] <tathhu> there's "donations" via flattr
[10:48] <tathhu> Quick search from store and everything is there expect some kind of sport tracker :(
[10:49] <ogra_> mariogrip, the image is being moved to snappy ... bits are not complete yet
[10:50] <mariogrip> ogra_: ahhh, that's cool :)
[10:51] <ogra_> (they are not building because people (seb128) are actively working on them)
[11:00] <sturmflut2> ondra: I see! Am I right to assume that the "cmdline" parameter from the Android bootimg.cfg is ignored?
[11:01] <mariogrip> I found a bug with my bq, i got stuck like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/raapdiaim192wlo/screenshot20150702_125238731.png?dl=0 where should i report this?
[11:05] <ogra_> sturmflut2, it works setting it with abootimg (via the update function) in boot.img
[11:05] <ogra_> it gets appended to the existing cmdline
[11:05] <sturmflut2> ogra_: That has never worked for me, but I'll try again
[11:05] <ogra_> (i think unpacking and re-packaing the boot.img with abootimg does not work with the krillin images though)
[11:06] <ogra_> (i.e. you can only update the existing one, i used that several times to test cmdline options ... directly on the boot partition though)
[11:08] <ogra_> mariogrip, "get stuck" ?
[11:09] <mariogrip> Yeah, i had to reboot
[11:09] <mariogrip> got*
[11:09] <ogra_> ah, so it doesnt react anymore
[11:10] <mariogrip> It works fine after reboot
[11:11] <mariogrip> I seems like it asked me to type the wifi password and that i had low battery at the same time.
[11:11] <mariogrip> noting worked, it was just frozen
[11:12] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Ha, guess what, it works
[11:13] <ogra_> i know ;)
[11:13] <ogra_> hmpf
[11:13] <sturmflut2> New article about building and booting modified kernels on krillin is incoming
[11:13] <ogra_>           RX packets:50096533 errors:2 dropped:87963 overruns:2 frame:0
[11:13] <ogra_>           TX packets:109590136 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[11:14]  * ogra_ wonders whats up with his server :(
[11:14] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Is this a physical interface?
[11:14] <ogra_> yup
[11:14] <ogra_> its an old laptop running as my mail server ...
[11:14] <ogra_> i guess its time for a HW upgrade
[11:19] <sturmflut2> ogra_: You can look at /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/ for a more detailed breakdown, "dropped" is a bit ambiguous because it is up to the driver to decided what counts as a "dropped" packet
[11:21] <sturmflut2> ogra_: usually it's the cable or a flaky switch port
[11:21] <ogra_> or a worn out laptop socket ;)
[11:21] <ogra_> the thing is really old ... first gen amd64 hardware ;)
[11:21] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Also note that the meaning of "dropped" has changed several times with some kernel versions
[11:22] <ogra_> yeah, doesnt seem to be a physical prob though ... there are no frame errors
[11:23] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Do you use VLANs, "strange" protocols or IPv6?
[11:23] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Or does one of your components try to use them
[11:23] <ogra_> well, i never disabled v6 on that machine
[11:23] <ogra_> no VLANs
[11:24] <ogra_> my sattelite receiver seems to spam the net a little with mdns bonjour stuff for SAT->IP
[11:24] <ogra_> (but that doesnt cause issues for any other device in this network, so i doubt it is related)
[11:24] <sturmflut2> Depends on the kernel version and driver
[11:24] <ogra_> well, trusty everywhere :)
[11:25] <sturmflut2> I love netdev debugging
[11:25] <sturmflut2> Everything about networking is so horribly broken
[11:26] <ogra_> and still we built a world wide network based on that ;)
[11:26] <sturmflut2> ogra_: You mean the "Cat Picture Delivery System"?
[11:26] <ogra_> yeah, that :)
[11:31] <jgdx> pete-woods1, how's it going?
[11:35] <pete-woods1> jgdx: hi
[11:35] <pete-woods1> better now I have a non-melted computer again!
[11:35] <pete-woods1> https://www.apple.com/uk/support/macbookpro-videoissues/
[11:38] <sturmflut2> New post: "Hacking the bq, Part 4: Building and booting a kernel", https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/bq/2015/07/02/hacking-the-bq-part-4-building-and-booting-a-kernel/
[11:39] <sturmflut2> pete-woods1: Hey! We talked about extensions to the connectivity-api some months ago, regarding WiFi/Bluetooth/Cellular scanning and stuff like that. Any news?
[11:39] <jgdx> pete-woods1, let me know when you've taken a look at the email about indicator+uss communication
[11:40] <pete-woods1> jgdx: looks good ot me!
[11:41] <pete-woods1> sturmflut2: hi. there hasn't been any progress on that area, unfortunately. I've been doing a *lot* of ground work to make the whole indicator/connectivity API more robust
[11:41] <jgdx> pete-woods1, okay, I've completed that, with autopilot tests. How's this work looking for indicator-network?
[11:41] <pete-woods1> as it was mostly untested before
[11:41] <pete-woods1> jgdx: just about to start doing it, really
[11:42] <pete-woods1> but I don't think it should be a huge task
[11:42] <jgdx> pete-woods, the bssid is optional, but it would save us a world of pain if there's ever an ssid name collision.
[11:43] <pete-woods> jgdx: we should already have access to that in the model
[11:43] <pete-woods> so shouldn't be a lot of extra work
[11:43] <jgdx> good
[11:46] <sturmflut2> pete-woods: Okay, thanks for the update.
[11:57] <tathhu> Äh, shoulv'e go with E5, 16 gigs of storage...
[11:58] <conyoo> mx5 ubuntu edition is much nicer
[11:58] <conyoo> oh!!#@#! mx4
[11:58] <tathhu> But I'm poor :(
[11:59] <conyoo> me 2
[11:59] <tathhu> damn i'm stupid :D
[11:59] <conyoo> me 2
[11:59] <conyoo> hi 5
[11:59] <tathhu> :D
[11:59] <tathhu> :(
[12:01] <sturmflut2> Hmmmm, will the Convergence device use ARMv8? Because there is not really a way to have more than 3 GB of RAM on ARMv7. Most SoCs can't even use the full 3 GB.
[12:01] <ogra_> tathhu, write some paid apps and push them to the ubuntu store ... if enough people buy them you can buy a phone from that ;)
[12:01] <conyoo> intel
[12:01] <conyoo> probably
[12:02] <sturmflut2> conyoo: It will be a phone, not a tablet
[12:02] <ogra_> sturmflut2, we dont have the touch stack working on arm64 yet
[12:02] <tathhu> ogra_: webapps for 50€ :P
[12:02] <ogra_> (i thinnk there are a bunch of FTBFS packages stilll and nobody bothered to look)
[12:02] <ogra_> tathhu, sure, if people buy them ;)
[12:03] <tathhu> gotta do something super :3
[12:03] <sturmflut2> ogra_: We all know you and popey already use those 128 Bit RISC-V CPUs
[12:03] <ogra_> sturmflut2, nah, i use a ppc64el phone
[12:03] <tathhu> Ok hows sd card support in ubuntu? (= can get pics from camera and music there w/o problem)
[12:03] <ogra_> but only because the sparc port isnt working
[12:04] <tathhu> (on jolla i'd need to open terminal for that, gg)
[12:04] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Oh god how I miss SPARC
[12:04] <ogra_> tathhu, cam, music, videos ... nothing more atm until there is better framework integration for SDs
[12:04] <tathhu> ogra_: enough, thanks
[12:20] <mariogrip> Stratos, i bet 40 bux on that it's a scam xP
[12:22] <mariogrip> FYI https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technoruninc/stratos...
[12:22] <nhaines> Apparently by "reimagined" they mean "GNOME Shell".
[12:24] <mariogrip> hahah, FAQ : "StratOS Pro can run and install Linux apps, WIndows apps and Android ones too, while the regular version can only run and install Linux apps. The App Store is bundled with both versions, nonetheless."
[12:24] <tathhu> :D
[12:26] <ogra_> i wonder what they'd do if they actually get 100s of these "name a process of the OS after you" backers ... your ps output would look like a telephone book
[12:27] <mariogrip> heheheheh xP
[12:27] <ogra_> (and nobody would know what all these humanly named processes actually are)
[12:27]  * nhaines init.nhaines.d
[12:28] <mariogrip> the logo they they use looks like an riped up windows logo
[12:29] <conyoo> Samsung claims to sell 1 million units of Tizen-powered Z1 smartphone
[12:29] <conyoo> India is the only country where the Z1 has launched so far
[12:43] <Tom_Lee> Greetings people of the internet!
[12:44] <Tom_Lee> Was curious if there's support for android developed applications to be ported to ubuntu native?
[12:47] <nhaines> If they're Cordova apps, sure!
[12:48] <Tom_Lee> Is there any documentation on it?
[12:51] <nhaines> That I don't know for certain.
[12:55] <tathhu> *c
[12:55] <tathhu> bq pls, ship it ;_;
[13:12] <jrbt> Hey!
[13:13] <jrbt> Edit from thing that have said yesterday: I updated my nexus 4 to ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu-developer now I have the Nearby scope
[13:16] <Laney> boiko: hi, can we please get https://code.launchpad.net/~tiagosh/telephony-service/update-tp-qt-0.9.6.1/+merge/262106 into wily?
[13:16] <Laney> we need to rebuild telephony-service for the new platform-api but it is broken without this fix
[13:17] <boiko> Laney: we need to test that, it is on a silo already, but we will only be able to get to that after we fix two critical bugs we have in vivid :/
[13:17] <Laney> why does it have to wait for that?
[13:18] <Laney> unfortunately platform-api got published so wily-proposed is backed up atm :(
[13:19] <boiko> Laney: because we don't have time to test it until the critical bugs for OTA5 are fixed
[13:20] <boiko> Laney: telephony-service is not the only package that needs fixing, there is also telepathy-ofono and history-service, they are all in silo 39 just waiting for us to test it
[13:21] <Laney> it's only telephony-service which is holding up wily-proposed atm
[13:26] <boiko> Laney: I will talk to bfiller and check what we can do, I think we can get it landed to wily still today, but probably more towards the end of the day
[13:26] <boiko> Laney: I will talk to bfiller and see what we can do
[13:28] <Laney> boiko: thanks, I think it shouldn't require too much validation since the changes are all in tests/
[13:28] <Laney> :)
[13:29] <boiko> Laney: yep, the only thing is that once that lands, building telephony-service on vivid will be broken, that's why I need to discuss that with bfiller
[13:30] <boiko> Laney: we will get telepathy-qt5 updated on vivid, but only after OTA5
[13:30] <Laney> OK, I'm only worried about wily atm ;)
[13:31] <boiko> Laney: we are more worried about vivid/OTA5, so it is a tie :)
[14:37] <sturmflut2> Now this is interesting
[14:38] <sturmflut2> I always thought that the Preloader for Ubuntu and Android is the same, and it just reads the partition table from flash, but that's not true. The partition table is hardcoded in the Preloader and changes for every device/OS combination.
[14:39] <ogra_> well, for MTK, yes
[14:39] <sturmflut2> MediaTek engineers sure make strange decisions
[14:39] <ogra_> lol
[14:40] <sturmflut2> Doesn't that mean that they also need different Preloaders for all MX4 subvariants?
[14:40] <ogra_> such an understatement
[14:44] <sturmflut2> The Kernel source code generates the partition table from an XLS file?!?
[14:44] <ogra_> yes, shiny, aint it ?
[14:45] <ogra_> :P
[14:58] <sturmflut2> When I'm finished with this, MediaTek can hire me
[14:58] <tathhu> :D
[15:03] <OerHeks> !info openssh
[15:03] <popey> !info opsnssh-server
[15:03] <popey> if i could type
[15:03] <popey> !info openssh-server
[15:04] <OerHeks> thanks popey, it is the ssh metapackage now, i guess
[15:14] <alin_> ahoe... jut got my meizu ubuntu...
[15:14] <ogra_> wheee
[15:17] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Do we use cryptographic signatures on our devices? Looks like krillin enables the feature in the Preloader, and there is an RSA key configured.
[15:18] <tathhu> Aand now I'm not sure if i got my order cancelled as dude from bq quitted chat :(
[15:18] <tathhu> (tried to upgrade to E5)
[15:21] <conyoo> alin_, gold?
[15:22] <ogra_> sturmflut2, not to my knowledge
[15:23] <alin_> conyoo: nope white
[15:26] <sturmflut2> ogra_: Ah, it's configured, but it gets all its data from the SECURE partition on the device, and I have no idea what the library then does with it, because all the code is inside a binary blob
[15:27] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure we never touched any of that
[15:28] <sturmflut2> ogra_: I hope so, because if I'm not mistaken bq published the private key
[15:28] <brunch875> the sdk is being nasty
[15:28] <brunch875> I wonder if it has to do with the fakevim mode
[15:30] <tathhu> i hope it isn' cancelled ":D"
[15:30] <tathhu> ähhh.
[17:14] <alin> stupid question does ubuntu touch meizu be playble from adb?
[17:15] <popey> you can attach to an ubuntu phone over adb, yes
[17:15] <popey> if you enable developer mode
[17:15] <alin> popey: ok I enabled it
[17:17] <alin> also on n5 I can boot in recovery via power button and volume down/up
[17:17] <alin> is there anything like that?
[17:17] <popey> yeah, I guess so, not tried
[17:19] <alin> let me check the cable
[17:19] <alin> adb does not seem to list anythin
[17:21] <mr-tt> hi
[17:21] <mr-tt> what's the best way to transfer files from a pc to the phone via network?
[17:22] <popey> mr-tt: scp?
[17:23] <mr-tt> popey: scp from the phone or to the phone?
[17:23] <popey> either :)
[17:23] <mr-tt> is it possible to run the sftp server as nonroot and with password protection on the phone?
[17:24] <alin_> also is normal for console to ask for a password?
[17:25] <popey> i use scp to copy files to my phone all the time
[17:26] <alin_> popey: ok I come to that later... I see is just paranoia... for developer mode you need a keycode or so
[17:26] <alin_> the same for terminal...
[17:28] <mr-tt> popey: how do i setup scp access?
[17:28] <tathhu> sftp? ":D"
[17:28] <popey> the keycode is your password / passphrase
[17:30] <alin_> popey: yap got it... quite surprising...
[17:31] <tathhu> Gotta flash ubuntu on n7 again so i
[17:31] <tathhu> i'd stop asking these stupid questions xD
[17:39] <jrbt> Hello :)
[17:40] <jrbt> Am I the only one who have problems with "click"?
[17:44] <popey> jrbt: hard to tell
[17:44] <jrbt> popey, ?
[17:45] <popey> you haven't given us a lot to go on.
[17:46] <jrbt> Oh, I don't understand the problem but I always report it.
[17:46] <jrbt> I will retry to install a kit and if I have it once again I tell you ;)
[17:47] <jrbt> Also, on the devel-proposed on Nexus 4 the GPS doesn't works?
[17:48] <popey> Dunno, I don't have a nexus 4... mhall119 ^
[17:48] <davmor2> jrbt: yes it does you just need to give it 15 minutes
[17:49] <jrbt> uh meaning? wait 15minutes before each use?
[17:49] <davmor2> jrbt: oh actually you might be able to install the here maps app now that would help you
[17:49] <mhall119> jrbt: there's a channel with the HERE customization that makes it work better
[17:49] <davmor2> mhall119: I think here got released to the store
[17:49] <mhall119> davmor2: the map app did, not the AGPS stuff
[17:49] <davmor2> mhall119: ah right
[17:50] <jrbt> Ok, I am on the devel-proposed channel
[17:50] <jrbt> Here Maps is preinstalled
[17:51] <jrbt> oh, cellular data doesn't work too?
[17:53] <Kniple> Hi there, I just today got my new MX4 Ubuntu edition, and it seems like the battery wont charge when the phone is turned on. Anyone of you guys heard of this problem before? I'm wondering if theres any general problem with it, couldnt find anything on google. :(
[17:53] <Kniple> Actually, it doesnt seem to be charging at all.
[17:54] <davmor2> Kniple: are you trying to charge from the wall socket or pc
[17:54] <Kniple> I've tried both.
[17:55] <Kniple> They shipped it with an american socket charger, but I had an old one with the same voltage/ampere.
[17:55] <davmor2> Kniple: it should charge from the wall socket, but might not from a pc, there is working going into looking at the power drain
[17:56] <Kniple> davmor2: Doesnt seem to be charging, I guess I'll leave it there for a while, see if it changes at all. Right now it hasnt moved from 35% at all in about an hour.
[17:57] <davmor2> jrbt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/BugReportInclusions should help you file bugs for the lack of cellular data
[18:00] <jrbt> davmor2, ok thanks.
[18:01] <davmor2> Kniple: try rebooting it too incase it got caught in some crazy loop, might help, might not, just a thought
[18:01] <Kniple> yeah, thought of that, didnt work either. It pushed an update the first thing it did when I booted it from the box.
[18:02] <Kniple> Also tried charging it turned off, but doesnt seem to work either.
[18:02] <Kniple> its also quite warm to the touch, even now when its turned off (and "charging")
[18:03] <mhall119> jrbt: cellular works fine for me on my nexus 4, what carrier do you have?
[18:03]  * mhall119 bets it's t-mobile
[18:05] <jrbt> mhall119, Free Mobile
[18:05] <jrbt> (french carrier)
[18:06] <mhall119> ah, still might be the same problem with APNs
[18:07] <mhall119> pmcgowan: do we have a table or something of APN customizations for carriers that don't automatically work?
[18:07] <jrbt> I've heard some people doesn't receive mms but the data worked well until I have upgraded to devel-proposed.
[18:08] <jrbt> I am not anymore on stable maybe it is that the problem?
[18:08] <pmcgowan> there is a bug on free mobile
[18:09] <jrbt> ah ok.
[18:09] <pmcgowan> mhall119, not really we just keep updating the apn db
[18:10] <pmcgowan> jrbt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1417976
[18:10] <pmcgowan> thats just mms though
[18:11] <jrbt> Oh, yes, I know, ubuntu touch has lot of problem with mms (and maybe only with french carrier :P)
[18:11] <jrbt> but now I don't have at all cellular data.
[18:12] <mhall119> pmcgowan: that sounds like the more general MMS not working when wifi is on bug
[18:13] <pmcgowan> right
[18:14] <pmcgowan> rehre was a no data after flight mode bug that was just fixed
[18:14] <pmcgowan> there
[18:14] <jrbt> there are an update tonight?
[18:15] <jrbt> (I have deleted a mail from the mailing list too fast --')
[18:16] <jrbt> -> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/
[18:16] <jrbt> :)
[18:18] <jrbt> oh, once again my phone has totally freeze..
[18:21] <jrbt> Oh, note: this is only the interface, I can use the adb shell on my pc
[18:21] <pmcgowan> jrbt, which phone and channel?
[18:21] <jrbt> Nexus 4 - Ubuntu Touch / Devel Proposed / Ubuntu Developer
[18:22] <jrbt> (I hope to receive my Bq 5 soon :P)
[18:23] <mhall119> devel proposed is the wily base, IIRC, which you shouldn't use as it's not being tested for phone use
[18:23] <jrbt> oh, in fact that is not the interface, it is I can't pull up the notification bar
[18:23] <mhall119> jrbt: I run channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[18:24] <mhall119> that has a Nexus 4 image with the HERE AGPS services, and it's updated just about daily
[18:24] <jrbt> rc-proposed/mako so?
[18:24] <mhall119> no, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[18:25] <mhall119> but it has mako images, regardless of what the channel name is
[18:25] <jrbt> oh, good to know, thanks!
[18:25] <mhall119> np
[18:25] <jrbt> I shouldn't downgrade right? need to reinstall?
[18:26] <mhall119> jrbt: you'll need to use ubuntu-device-flash to install it, yes
[18:26] <mhall119> jrbt: but don't use --wipe and you won't lose your user data
[18:26] <jrbt> ok, but should I use --wipe?
[18:26] <jrbt> ok ;)
[18:26] <mhall119> nope
[18:33] <jrbt> kit installation "finished", well so everyone has that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811641/ ?
[18:33] <ogra_> mhall119, cellular is known to be broken in wily
[18:33] <ogra_> (i heard)
[18:34] <mhall119> yes, a NetworkManager update for desktop broke it, IIRC
[18:34]  * ogra_ cant preach enough to not *use* wily ... (fine for testing, not fine for using)
[18:35] <jrbt> ogra_, :P I do backup of my phone data everyday :)
[18:35]  * brobostigon just wants bug 1247216 implemented
[18:36] <ogra_> jrbt, wily only gets very very marginal QA and is not planned to land on any phones
[18:36] <ogra_> it is really nothing for daily use
[18:36] <jrbt> Ok.
[18:37] <ogra_> (read: expect breakage at an time... and expect that fixes in wily are lower prio than in vivid)
[18:38] <tathhu> Oh bq, really
[18:38] <tathhu> Rip care, would be nice to know if they cancelled that order or not...................
[18:39]  * tathhu rages 
[18:39] <Kniple> Ugh, I can't find anyone else who has gotten their MX4 yet. So theres no one else with my problem... :(
[18:40] <jrbt> brobostigon, I prefer this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1331348 :)
[18:40] <ogra_> Kniple, the MX4 still has plenty problems, specifically with battery (charging, discharging, getting warm when charging ... ) and some performance issues
[18:41] <brobostigon> jrbt: important as well, yes. i think import/export to sim is there.
[18:41] <Kniple> ogra_: I see. Thats pretty sad. I wanted to try it out, but I guess I'll have to wait a while, see if updates solve the problems
[18:41] <tathhu> Shoul've got E5 in the first place..
[18:42] <jrbt> no everyone has his contacts on his sim :)
[18:42] <jrbt> not*
[18:42] <ogra_> Kniple, well, it is usable but you might have to charge often etc
[18:42] <jrbt> (sorry for my english --')
[18:42] <Kniple> ogra_: It doesnt even take charge right now.
[18:42]  * brobostigon has his contacts on sd and google.
[18:42]  * ogra_ uses his sa day to day phone 
[18:42] <ogra_> *as
[18:42] <Kniple> been stuck on 35% for about an hour and a half
[18:42] <ogra_> Kniple, it takes very long to charge
[18:42] <jgdx> Kniple, that might actually not be stuck
[18:43] <Kniple> oh
[18:43] <Kniple> Well that sounds... bad :D
[18:43] <ogra_> several hours ... and then it suddenly jumps from something like 70% to 100
[18:43] <Kniple> oh dear
[18:43] <jrbt> oh and import a .ics to calendar would be cool too :D
[18:43] <ogra_> yeah, bugs :)
[18:43] <Kniple> So the power is misrepresentated?
[18:43] <ogra_> will be fixed
[18:43] <ja_> hello
[18:43] <Kniple> the battery is actually charging, but the system isnt keeping tabs on it?
[18:43] <ogra_> right
[18:44] <tathhu> Äh, trying to find battery reviews for Ex  :C
[18:44] <ogra_> you should feel it getting warm when it actually charges
[18:44] <Kniple> oh thats a lot less bad than I first thought. Means I might even be able to use it as day to day phone
[18:44] <Kniple> it is
[18:44] <tathhu> Ok 6-18 0-100 is enoug XD
[18:44] <ogra_> yeah, just give it a few hours ... i guess especially the first charge will take long
[18:45] <Kniple> I'll keep it charging until I have to go to work tomorrow, 10 hours from now
[18:46] <ja_> I received my mx4 ubuntu, I played and I want the factory reset. I saw that: "a recovery image that does NOT enable ADB by default, leading to a “Failed to enter Recovery” error message"
[18:46] <ja_> http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/05/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-1-ubuntu-device-flash/
[18:46] <Kniple> thanks for the information ogra_!
[18:46] <ja_> Of Course, I do not find the image for the mx4 :)
[18:47] <Kniple> ogra_: is there some central forum for talks on the MX4? or where do you base your information on?
[18:47] <ja_> The image exists for Aquaris E4.5 but not for mx4
[18:48] <alin_>  I know it may sound stupid but since I want to tinker with the meizu ubuntu I want to know how to fix it in the worst case of breackage  that being how once can flash a clean image, and worst build one for mx4 so I want to now how is possible to but in recovery and things like that
[18:48] <ogra_> Kniple, i did work on the phone stuff until recently :)
[18:48] <ja_> alin_: :)
[18:49] <tathhu> alin_: Tm_T afaik flashed "stock"
[18:49] <Kniple> oh ogra_, nice.
[18:49] <tathhu> *iirc
[18:49] <jrbt> mhall119, thanks! upgrade finished, data works well :)
[18:49] <ogra_> (and i'm using the MX4 as daily phone as i said :) )
[18:49] <tathhu> ok both :P
[18:49] <ja_> alin_: paused the same question 2 minutes ago
[18:51] <ja_> alin_: it takes a image with adb. But I can not find it
[18:51] <ja_> alin_: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/05/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-1-ubuntu-device-flash/
[18:51] <alin_> ja_: adb devices does not even load mine...
[18:51] <ja_> alin_: it's for aquaris
[18:52] <mhall119> jrbt: you're welcome :)
[18:52] <alin_> ja_: in principle is opensource I expect to find in some repo all the needed things
[18:52] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, ^^ do we have the recovery for arale somewhere ?
[18:52] <ogra_> (should probably go to some public doc :) )
[19:14] <tathhu> äh, that ubuntu edition-case is so cool :(
[19:16] <ogra_> it looks really cool, but it also makes it harder to use the phone one handed
[19:16] <ogra_> since you always need to hold open the flap
[19:16] <tathhu> Good point
[19:17] <tathhu> I got that "crystal cover" or whatever
[19:17] <tathhu> Just to be safe. :D
[19:17] <ogra_> and it has an issue when using auto-brightness ... since there is no hole punched into the flap where the brightness sensor sits
[19:18] <ogra_> (so it is always at darkest level making it hard to read the stuff in the circle)
[19:18] <tathhu> That logic
[19:18] <ogra_> but still, it looks damn cool ;)
[19:18] <jrbt> (if someone doesn't want his meizu mx4 ubuntu edition I can become a trash :) )
[19:18] <ogra_> (and is an awesome idea too)
[19:19] <jrbt> How do you see the future BQ convergence phone?
[19:20] <ogra_> bright and shiny :)
[19:20] <ogra_> (but i'm totally biased :) )
[19:20] <tathhu> :P
[19:20] <jrbt> I hope it will enough powerful to replace my phone AND my pc
[19:21] <ogra_> i doubt it can replace something like an i7 PC with 32GB RAM and fast SSD ...
[19:21] <tathhu> but can I play counter-strike on it?
[19:21] <tathhu> wait what
[19:21] <tathhu> minesweeper
[19:22] <ogra_> i would rather think it can replace something in the smartbook category
[19:22] <jrbt> ogra_, I just want an i5, 128gb sdd and 8gb of ram :)
[19:22] <ogra_> yeah, i guess the 8G RAM might be a prob :)
[19:23] <dobey> also the i5 :P
[19:23] <dobey> i5 in a phone == 20 min battery life
[19:23] <ogra_> getting more than 3GB to work with a 32bit ARM isnt possible
[19:23] <jrbt> It need to be x86 ;)
[19:23] <jrbt> how run firefox, libreoffice etc, if it is not x86?
[19:23] <ogra_> by using the arm builds ?
[19:23] <tathhu> ^ rekt
[19:24] <jrbt> and my atom editor? eh, my atom ? :D
[19:24] <ogra_> thats a webapp :P
[19:24] <jrbt> ogra_, atom is already slow, no thanks :P
[19:27] <jrbt> I really hope which will not be ARM.
[19:27] <jrbt> But, yep I think that the convergence phone will be chromebook like pc
[19:28]  * ogra_ wants ARM for long battery life while the device is used as phone
[19:28] <tathhu> hotswap :P
[19:32] <dobey> meh. i'll settle for a phone that works very well as a phone
[19:34] <jrbt> Also, usb-c of course for recharging and use a screen
[19:36] <jrbt> well, Install a kit via Ubuntu SDK doesn't works, I've tried with "sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 create" but doesn't works too -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11811956/
[19:37] <brunch875> whenever I run qmlscene, the Ubuntu SDK becomes unresponsive until I resize its window
[19:37] <brunch875> now that's bizarre and annoying
[19:38] <ogra_> jrbt, and dwarfs that do your dishes over night !
[20:08] <jrbt> ogra_, ?
[20:09] <ogra_> jrbt, that was in return to "usb-c" :)
[20:09] <jrbt> oh :D
[20:28] <jrbt> Wellm I had my problem on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1343039
[20:28] <jrbt> Last comment on "2014-07-22"
[20:34] <SturmFlut> jrbt: Strange error. I think I have created about 50 schroots over the last year, and this is not one of the errors I have ever seen.
[20:35] <jrbt> :( lucky you
[20:36] <SturmFlut> jrbt: Which distribution are you on, and are you using the SDK PPA?
[20:36] <jrbt> I am on Ubuntu 15.04
[20:37] <jrbt> I have installed the phablet ppa as it is said on the doc
[20:37] <jrbt> (ubuntu-sdk-team*)
[20:38] <SturmFlut> jrbt: Okay, that should be the correct setup
[20:40] <SturmFlut> Argh, MediaTek puts the Little Kernel in the UBOOT partition, what a great naming scheme
[20:47] <SturmFlut> New post: "Mediatek details: Partitions and Preloader", http://sturmflut.github.io/mediatek/2015/07/04/mediatek-details-partitions-and-preloader/
[23:54] <hasan> hello! :)