[05:07] <stickyness> http://chimurengachronic.co.za/writing-the-city-in-a-different-script/
[05:07] <stickyness> Writing Afrikaans in Arabic script. Lekker!
[06:06] <mazal> Mornings
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:26] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy Kilos
[06:27] <Kilos> hi mazal  ThatGraemeGuy  barrydk  inetpro  MaNI  and others
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo 'lo
[06:31] <stickyness> http://chimurengachronic.co.za/writing-the-city-in-a-different-script/
[06:31] <stickyness> Kilos: ^^^ Afrikaans in Arabic script... from 100 years ago.
[06:31] <stickyness> Pretty cool.
[06:31] <MaNI> morning
[06:31] <Kilos> haha
[06:31] <mazal> Internal server error
[06:31] <Kilos> oi
[06:32] <mazal> When I fllow that link
[06:34] <Kilos> me too
[06:35] <Kilos> stickyness  where are you now?
[06:36] <stickyness> Kilos:In Nairobi. Flying to Istanbul in 2 minutes.
[06:36] <stickyness> Gotta go.
[06:37] <mazal> Ok that's new , for a change it's not just me breaking something lol :)
[06:37] <Kilos> go safe
[06:37] <stickyness> Kilos:Yes, the link was posted on a popular website. It must be hammered right now.
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <stickyness> Try in a few hours.
[06:37] <Kilos> yeah bust
[06:37] <stickyness> It's very interesting about language and typography.
[06:37] <Kilos> ok
[06:37] <stickyness> Peace
[06:37] <Kilos> go well
[06:37] <Kilos> ai!
[06:37] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[06:38] <mazal> Lo inetpro
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mostexclusivewebsite.com/
[06:38] <Kilos> yoohooo Morning inetpro  \
[06:47] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:47] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:48] <pieter2627> it seems to be heating up again
[06:48] <Kilos> nono
[06:48] <Kilos> im still ice
[06:48]  * pieter2627 sleeping under one blanket again
[06:48] <Kilos> wow
[06:49] <Kilos> penguin genes
[06:49] <pieter2627> yea two made me a bit sick two weeks ago
[06:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:50] <Kilos> i got 3 blankets and a duvet thing
[06:51] <pieter2627> at the worst i had three layers - the third was a small SA flag thingy around my legs
[06:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:52] <pieter2627> 'sjoe' - oom nog steeds koud :p
[06:53] <Kilos> ek slaap lekker maar voor ek al die klere aan het is ek koud
[06:54] <pieter2627> haha
[06:57] <Kilos> and my poor mouse hand really suffers
[06:58] <barrydk> More almal
[07:00] <pieter2627> more barrydk 
[07:00] <pieter2627> Kilos: fingerless cloves
[07:01] <Kilos> its the fingers that are the worst
[07:02] <pieter2627> hey, but heating the hand up to the fingers actually warms the fingers
[07:02] <pieter2627> and one can still work
[07:02] <Kilos> lol if you got penguin blood ya
[07:03]  * pieter2627 adapted well this winter, but used them a lot last year
[07:04] <Kilos> i just need to shave off 30 years then ill be fine again
[07:05] <pieter2627> ah ok, do you know the shaver you will need :P
[07:05] <Kilos> lol
[07:05]  * pieter2627 dink dis n skaap skêr
[07:05] <Kilos> ek het een van hulle ook
[07:05] <Kilos> tot die skape bang hom in die winter
[07:06] <pieter2627> hulle lyk altyd so happy na die tyd
[07:06] <Kilos> ja 
[07:09]  * mazal fiddles
[07:12] <nuvolari> o/
[07:13] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos 
[07:13] <nuvolari> lo pieter2627, mazal, barrydk
[07:14] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  gaanit seun?
[07:14] <mazal> Lo nuvolari
[07:20] <pieter2627> ola nuvolari 
[08:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:14] <Kilos> SubOracle  greetings to you
[08:15] <Kilos> why dont you ever say anything?
[08:15] <Kilos> oh afk atm
[09:08] <Kilos> hi Cryterion  
[09:08] <Cryterion> Morning
[09:09] <mazal> Morning shark
[09:09]  * mazal runs away
[09:09] <Kilos> lol
[09:10] <Cryterion> lol
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[09:10]  * ThatGraemeGuy kills the shark and makes biltong
[09:11] <Kilos> haha
[09:11] <mazal> Cryterion: How goes ? You are scarce
[09:11] <Cryterion> da dun da dun da dun
[09:11] <Kilos> shark meat is actually very lekker
[09:11] <Cryterion> Been a bit busy later
[09:11] <Kilos> and no bones like other fish
[09:11] <Cryterion> lately*
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've never had shark meat, only biltong
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> what? sharks have no bones?
[09:11]  * Cryterion swims away
[09:12] <Kilos> very lekker when done in batter like hake
[09:12] <Kilos> better than hake
[09:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> sies, batter
[09:12] <Kilos> they have main centre bones but not millions like other fish
[09:12] <mazal> Kilos: What fish is hake actually ?
[09:13] <Kilos> Maaz  define hake
[09:13] <Maaz> Kilos: Hake \Hake\ (h[=a]k), n. [See {Hatch} a half door.] A drying shed, as for unburned tile. [1913 Webster], Hake \Hake\, n. [Also {haak}.] [Akin to Norweg. hakefisk, lit., hook fish, Prov. E. hake hook, G. hecht pike. See {Hook}.] (Zool.) One of several species of marine gadoid fishes, of the genera {Phycis}, {Merlucius}, and allies. The common European hake is
[09:13] <Maaz> {Merlucius vulgaris}; the American silver hake or whiting is {Merlucius bilinearis}. Two…
[09:13] <mazal> Friend of mine recons it's shark as there is no fish called hake hehehe
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hake
[09:14] <mazal> I'll point him there when he says it again
[09:14]  * mazal goes for sb
[09:24] <mazal> Ook Kilos , my 2nd drive arrived. Now I must find the lus to install it hehehehe
[09:24] <mazal> That one for my home server
[09:25] <Kilos> lol
[09:25] <Kilos> whats size and type of drive mazal  
[09:25] <mazal> 2TB Western Digital green
[09:26] <mazal> 3.5" internal
[09:26] <Kilos> is it for another pc or just storage
[09:26] <mazal> Is for extra space on my server that backups must run to , so just storage
[09:26] <Kilos> aha
[09:27] <Kilos> you gonna raid them? or just use for backup
[09:27] <mazal> All those games that must be backed up somewhere :P
[09:28] <mazal> Kilos: I really want to learn raid , but then I won't have space again. This must stay seperate for now
[09:28] <Kilos> ah
[09:28] <mazal> Then my 2x 2TB becomes 1x 2TB and I am back where I were
[09:28] <Kilos> yeah 
[09:29] <Kilos> but good for a server for when one crashes
[09:29] <mazal> Currently 1x 2TB drive in , which is not enough
[09:29] <Kilos> all games?
[09:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:29] <mazal> Nope , lots of videos also
[09:29] <mazal> The video is more than the games , but the games always gets the blame
[09:29] <Kilos> what do you save videos for
[09:30] <Kilos> i watch them then dump them
[09:30] <mazal> I convert all my dvd's to video files. Then stream them to PS3 that is hooked up on tv
[09:30] <mazal> So when I want to watch a movie I just start up PS3 and watch
[09:30] <Kilos> ah
[09:31] <mazal> I'm one of those people who buy the movies I like for my collection and can watch them over and over again
[09:31] <Kilos> lol
[09:31] <mazal> And this way the DVD disks itself stays protect as it doesn't get used after converting
[09:32] <mazal> I have a few very old ones , but doesn't have a single scratch. I always try and look after my things
[09:32] <Kilos> you cant take them with you when you die hey
[09:33] <mazal> I know , but that's no reason to abuse things that cost you plenty money. Someone else can get it when I am gone
[09:33] <Kilos> no man sell them again
[09:33] <mazal> No , then I must delete the files
[09:33] <Kilos> then buy lotsa useful things
[09:33] <mazal> That would be stealing if I keep the files and sell the disks
[09:34] <Kilos> eish
[09:34] <mazal> Yeah , I am not pirating
[09:35] <Kilos> that isnt pirating if you buy them copy for own use
[09:35] <mazal> But you may not sell the original then
[09:35] <Kilos> if you sell files then ya
[09:35] <Kilos> why not
[09:35] <mazal> If you sell the original disk and keep the file , then it is the same as if you downloaded it from internet
[09:36] <Kilos> just more expensive
[09:36] <Kilos> youll only be able to sell for 1/2 price anyway
[09:36] <mazal> Is the same as if you sell any software you own , you must then uninstall it
[09:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:39] <Kilos> well put me in your will to inherit all you pcs
[09:40] <Kilos> and your xboxes and playatations
[09:41] <mazal> My brother gets all
[09:41] <Kilos> ah is he geeky too
[09:41] <mazal> Instructions are: "Take my keys and clean out everything"
[09:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:42] <mazal> Like you said , I aint taking it with me, I couldn't care less what becomes of it
[09:42] <Kilos> lol
[09:42] <mazal> They can sell it , keep it , whatever
[09:43] <mazal> But that is only in the event it's suddon
[09:43] <mazal> If I see it coming in any way I will distrubute myself before hand
[09:43] <Kilos> sudden
[09:56] <gremble> Good morning everyone
[09:56] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[09:56] <gremble> How are you doing Kilos ?
[09:57] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[09:57] <gremble> I am well thank you
[09:57] <gremble> Considering a reinstallation of this laptop but I don't know if I want to go through all the work
[09:57] <gremble> haha
[09:57] <Kilos> will of course be better when summer comes
[09:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:58] <Kilos> why you want to reinstall?
[10:00] <gremble> As you learn how to use the system, you realise all the dumb shit that you did when you initially set the system up
[10:00] <Kilos> lol
[10:00] <gremble> My python installation is broken and a bunch of my other stuff are also set up inappropriately
[10:00] <gremble> haha
[10:01] <Kilos> what os are you using?
[10:01] <gremble> Arch linux
[10:01] <Kilos> ah
[10:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's just a natural consequence then
[10:02]  * ThatGraemeGuy runs away
[10:02] <gremble> It is
[10:02] <Kilos> lol
[10:02] <gremble> But it is good
[10:12] <gremble> The linux kernel is on 4 already
[10:12] <gremble> Gosh where the time goes
[10:46] <Kilos> inetpro  can you keep the 29th at 8.30 open to chair?
[11:35] <magespawn> good afternnon
[11:35] <magespawn> afternoon too
[11:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[11:47] <Kilos> i dont know if we have peeps here with diabetes probs but found this link
[11:47] <Kilos> http://src.easyhealthoptions.com/ego/9b5efa29-1c54-45c9-b8d7-d6f89aff49fa/401863400/307832
[11:49] <Kilos> im not gonna watch the video but they say this will make lotsa companies that make diabetes meds go broke if it gets out
[11:57] <MaNI> egh, not another of these 'diabetes can be solved by eating differently people'
[11:57]  * mazal returns from a lekka lunch
[11:59] <mazal> Grrr , I hate when I can't find my commands
[12:00] <mazal> What's the point of putting everything in manuals if you can't find the manual
[12:01] <mazal> Why can't I have item frames on my folders lol
[12:01] <MaNI> I usually find the manual has everything except what I want to know
[12:02] <mazal> hehehe , that happens too
[12:03] <mazal> oom Kilos , make note :
[12:03] <mazal> Develop better storage system for Ubuntu tips and manuals
[12:14] <zeorin> Hi all, I've got a quick question. If I wanted to rent a mid-range laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed for a week, are there any companies in Johannesburg that could help out with that?
[12:17] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <Kilos> hi zeorin  welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:22] <zeorin> Hi Kilos, thanks
[12:22] <zeorin> I'm a long-time Ubuntu user, and I have to work on-site for a client for a week
[12:23] <zeorin> I have a beefy desktop and a small 10 inch Asus Transformer Bay Trail x86 tablet
[12:23] <zeorin> Both are running Ubuntu
[12:23] <Kilos> im just trying to think
[12:23] <zeorin> But the tablet is not up to the tasks of proper work and the desktop is too much of a mission to move, so I'd rather rent an Ubuntu laptop somewhere
[12:24] <Kilos> dont know if youll find a company that does that but many some private guy
[12:24] <zeorin> Even a company that will allow me to install Ubuntu on the laptop is good enough (I imagine they might just re-image the machines when they get them back anyway).
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz  google laptops for hire in johannesburg
[12:25] <Maaz> Kilos: "Short Term Hire - Spartan" http://www.spartan.co.za/short-term-hire/ :: "Red Cherry Computer Rentals | Johannesburg Laptop Rentals ..." http://www.redcherryrentals.co.za/ :: "South Africa's leading technology rental company | Daily Hire ..." http://www.gorentals.co.za/ :: "Cape Town laptop and computer rentals delivered to your door"
[12:25] <Maaz> http://www.rentware.co.za/ :: "Laptop Rental Specialists - Laptop and Computer Rental - 021 880 ..." http://www.…
[12:25] <Kilos> zeorin  you must visit here more often, or even all the time like most of us
[12:26] <zeorin> Perhaps I should. I've been running Ubuntu pretty much since it started
[12:26] <zeorin> I remember having the disks sent to me
[12:26] <Kilos> cool, why you take so long to find us?
[12:26] <Kilos> yeah
[12:27] <Kilos> do you see any in the links the bot gave zeorin  ?
[12:31] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd  
[12:31] <andrewlsd> Hi all
[12:31] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos 
[12:32] <andrewlsd> am playing with ubuntu openstack: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[12:34] <zeorin> Hi Kilos, just got a call from Gorentals
[12:34] <zeorin> They supply linux laptops, too
[12:35] <zeorin> And they format their machines on receipt anyway, so I could even just install Ubuntu on one of their Windoze laptops if necessary
[12:36] <mazal> bye for now everyone
[12:36] <Kilos> cool zeorin  thats good news
[12:36] <Kilos> can i ask what they charge per week?
[12:39] <zeorin> They're just checking stock before sending me a quote... But there's a Windows Core i5 HP / Dell 4GB RAM 640GB HD for R 800/week: http://www.gorentals.co.za/store/products/professional-core-i5-notebook-rental/
[12:39] <zeorin> That's with Win 7 and without insurance
[12:39] <Kilos> eish
[12:39] <zeorin> Monthly is R 1099 though
[12:40] <Kilos> who want to hire a windows lappy anyway
[12:40] <Kilos> you will get corrupted
[12:43] <andrewlsd> zeorin: why you renting a laptop?
[12:44] <zeorin> Oh, I'm a freelance web dev, usually work from home, but need to be on site at a client for a week
[12:46] <zeorin> I've got a small Bay Trail 10" tablet/netbook thing with Ubuntu but I can't stand the thought of using that 8hrs/day for a whole week--it's fine for popping in to an Internet café, but not for that
[12:47] <andrewlsd> true.
[12:47] <andrewlsd> Idea is good if you only need the device for a month or two.
[12:47] <andrewlsd> insurance probably adds R500/month.
[12:50] <Kilos> ai!
[12:50] <MaNI> I need to hire one so that I can swap the battery pack for my dead one :p
[12:51] <Kilos> lol
[12:51] <Kilos> you lucky mazhas gone
[12:52] <Kilos> he would tell you you stealing
[12:52] <Kilos> MaNI  what do batteries cost
[12:52] <MaNI> probably about ~R700 from what I can tell as its an import
[12:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:53] <MaNI> its in that akward region where you almost feel like you should just upgrade your laptop
[12:54] <MaNI> theoretically a repack should be better value for money though it doesn't seem like lots of places do it
[12:54] <Kilos> whats a repack?
[12:54] <MaNI> open the plastic up and put generic batteries in, instead of buying a whole new sealed pack
[12:54] <Kilos> oh
[12:55] <Kilos> wb zeorin  
[12:55] <zeorin> thanks, dunno what happened
[12:56] <Kilos> the wonderful internet
[12:56] <zeorin> Lol actually I killed my terminal window
[12:56] <zeorin> But I can't recall why
[12:57] <Kilos> lol
[12:59] <Kilos> when you not busy zeorin  look at our 2 sites
[12:59] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org  and http://ubuntu-africa.info
[13:03] <zeorin> Sites are working fine. They feel a little out of touch with the current Ubuntu web site designs but no train smash
[13:03] <zeorin> Are they not attracting the attention you'd like?
[13:04] <Kilos> the second one is new so still growing
[13:04] <Kilos> haha you tweet as well
[13:05] <Kilos> thats one of mine is never used and @sharpeys only when i wanna moan to isps
[13:07] <zeorin> It's amazing how service improves once the complaint's on social media
[13:09] <Kilos> yeah
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:09] <Kilos> oh you can follow @ubuntuza
[13:09] <Kilos> we announce monthly meetings and za related stuff there
[13:10] <zeorin> Just did
[13:10] <Kilos> cool
[13:10] <zeorin> Are any of you involved in the JLUG?
[13:10] <Kilos> some of the guys are but they arent here atm
[13:10] <Kilos> jozilug?
[13:11] <Kilos> we have odd guys from all the lugs in and out
[13:11] <zeorin> OK. I'm not very involved with any LUGS, but I do attend the odd event here and there
[13:11] <Kilos> ah
[13:12] <zeorin> I really should hang out more with Linux people. I'm always the odd one out when it comes to OS's
[13:12] <Kilos> oh when you looked at our second site you didnt try refreshing a few times
[13:12] <Kilos> the background changes
[13:12] <zeorin> changing hero image
[13:12] <zeorin> cool
[13:13] <Kilos> our sites are both static and built with bzr and nikola
[13:13] <zeorin> I saw that
[13:13] <pieter2627> hi and welcome zeorin 
[13:14] <zeorin> Hi Pieter, thanks
[13:14] <pieter2627> out of curiosity, which web dev do you do?
[13:15] <zeorin> I'm primarily a front-end developer
[13:15] <zeorin> Been doing it for 16 years (first as a hobby)
[13:16] <zeorin> Currently moving towards more JavaScript SPA web apps than actual web sites, though I still do those, too
[13:16] <pieter2627> SPA?
[13:16] <zeorin> Single Page Application
[13:17] <zeorin> Sorry, I'll try to avoid industry-specific jargon and acronyms
[13:17] <Kilos> np no rules here except be nice
[13:18] <pieter2627> np, those that care usually know them anyway
[13:18]  * pieter2627 just did not know that one
[13:18] <zeorin> And what do you do for a living?
[13:21]  * pieter2627 now wonders who was asked - should maybe not have hijacked Kilos' conversation
[13:21] <Kilos> nono pieter2627  he meant you
[13:22] <zeorin> Both actually.
[13:22] <pieter2627> rofl
[13:22] <Kilos> julle praat bo oor my kop
[13:22] <zeorin> I'm always interested what other Linux/Ubuntu people actually do for a living
[13:22] <Kilos> im a greeter bot for ubuntu-za and ubuntu-africa
[13:23] <zeorin> I think you might pass a Turing test, in that case
[13:23] <Kilos> whats that?
[13:23] <zeorin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
[13:23] <Kilos> cant remember last time i had to pass any tests
[13:23]  * pieter2627 is a student having a year off - also does some freelance web dev in spare time and when having enough guts
[13:24] <Kilos> i can only explain me by giving my wiki page
[13:25] <zeorin> That WP article is huge, basically a program that can pass a Turing test is indistinguishable from a human in a text-based conversation
[13:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:25] <Kilos> no man i do as little as possible
[13:25] <Kilos> others do my thinking for me
[13:26] <pieter2627> Kilos: he is pondering as to whether you are a real bot
[13:26] <Kilos> haha
[13:26] <pieter2627> and you are not helping...
[13:26] <zeorin> Nah, I know he's really just a street: https://www.google.co.za/maps?safe=off&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=993&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&bvm=bv.96952980,d.ZGU&ion=1&q=Miles+Sharp+Street&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=_DuVVez2LeTd7QanxIuoAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
[13:27] <zeorin> In Benoni
[13:27] <Kilos> haha you know that
[13:27] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[13:28] <Kilos> oh zeorin  we have lots of work for you to do
[13:28] <Kilos> join our mailing list and launchpad
[13:29] <zeorin> I signed up to the mailing list just now
[13:29] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[13:29] <zeorin> I don't think I'm on launchpad myself...
[13:30] <Kilos> oh my after all this time on ubuntu
[13:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:30] <zeorin> Yeah I know
[13:30] <zeorin> I guess I never really got into the community side of things
[13:30] <zeorin> My first linux was debian 3.0
[13:30] <Kilos> we have fun here
[13:31] <zeorin> Only had 56k modem so I paid a company to mail me the install disks
[13:31] <Kilos> ai!
[13:31] <zeorin> Back then there wasn't really a community to speak of, and I guess I never reconsidered that as time went on
[13:33] <Kilos> most of our guys are here at night because of work loads but when peeps ask for help and i give wrong info someone jumps in
[13:33] <Kilos> hehe
[13:34] <andrewlsd> hey zeorin, here's a big smile and wave
[13:35] <zeorin> Hi andrewlsd!
[13:36] <andrewlsd> Kilos: how's the mining (minetest) going?
[13:36] <Kilos> i gave up andrewlsd  uses too much data
[13:37] <zeorin> Cryptocurrency mining?
[13:37] <andrewlsd> I gave up, couldn't figure any of it out. ;-P
[13:37] <Kilos> but ThatGraemeGuy  and mazal and them live there
[13:37] <andrewlsd> naah, zeorin Minetest (like minecraft)
[13:37] <zeorin> Oh OK
[13:37] <Kilos> aw i was gonna help you
[13:38] <Kilos> sorry
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, minetest
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'd hardly say I live there
[13:40] <Kilos> lol
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mt.thatgraemeguy.co.za/cryterion.png
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's our modest little world
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: no need to be giving me work this late on a Thursday :-p
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> or as I call it, my own personal Friday
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice to be off tomorrow
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[13:45] <Kilos> haha
[13:58] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: well I'm sorry :P
[13:58] <Squirm> give me access and I'll happily do it myself :)
[14:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[14:05] <Squirm> :P
[14:05] <Squirm> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy
[14:05] <Squirm> Though I'd check ^^
[14:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[14:12] <Squirm> You know... Just incase I broke something :P
[14:13] <Squirm> Seeing as the boss is away
[14:13] <Squirm> I wish I had tomorrow off
[14:13] <Kilos> haha
[14:19] <magespawn> home time chat later all
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> b....
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[14:25] <Kilos> uh oh
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[14:30] <Kilos> pros quassel crashed and flys is also broken
[14:31] <Kilos> i think pro is scared he gets some more work
[14:42] <Squirm> Everything is working. Home time :)
[14:57] <Kilos> wb inetpro  
[15:01] <nuvolari> pfft. Some people, those Capetonians go home soo early. No wonder they call it slaapstad
[15:02] <Kilos> lol
[15:11] <MaNI> I'd comment but I don't even leave home to begin with
[15:21] <Kilos> haha
[15:21] <Kilos> me too
[15:23] <gremble> Well that was fun
[15:28] <Kilos> did you reinstall?
[15:28] <Kilos> properly?
[15:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:17] <Squirm> lol nuvolari
[17:17] <Squirm> If those Capetonians go home so early, where are you right now?
[17:18] <Squirm> :P
[17:18] <Squirm> and if you're not a Capetonian, then neither am I
[17:18]  * Squirm sips his Jonkers Weiss
[17:19] <Squirm> and nuvolari, look at the moon
[17:19] <Squirm> Actually, all of you
[17:20] <Squirm> Look up
[17:24] <Squirm> lol
[17:34] <Kilos> whats with that ctcp request Squirm  
[17:35] <Kilos> [02/07/2015 19:20] [CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-NOTICE Look up! request from Squirm to Channel #ubuntu-za.
[17:35] <Kilos> 3 times nogal
[17:35] <Squirm> Hmm
[17:35] <Squirm> Tried to NOTICE everyone :D
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:35] <Squirm> You know... Be annoying
[17:36] <Kilos> no more for you
[17:48] <Squirm> :/
[17:49] <Squirm> But...!
[17:49] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <magespawn> good evening
[17:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[17:57] <Kilos> you gonna try attend this months meeting
[17:57] <Kilos> and africa the next night
[17:58] <Kilos> who_da_fly  ping
[17:58] <magespawn> ubuntu-za meeting/
[17:58] <magespawn> ?
[17:58] <Kilos> whats broken
[17:59] <Kilos> yes magespawn  
[17:59] <Kilos> 28th
[17:59] <Kilos> and ubuntu-africa the next night
[17:59] <magespawn> i am usually at those, what time is the africa meeting?
[17:59] <Kilos> same time next day
[18:00] <Kilos> like a launch meeting
[18:00] <magespawn> yes i will give it a go
[18:00] <Kilos> ty
[18:00] <magespawn> in #ubuntu-africa?
[18:00] <Kilos> yessir
[18:00] <magespawn> okay 
[18:00] <Kilos> gracias
[18:01] <Kilos> i think it needs a meeting to try get them all more active
[18:06] <magespawn> are there a fair number of people showing interest/
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe i stole the pros agenda setup
[18:06] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricaTeams/Meetings
[18:06] <Kilos> there are 12 of the 18 locos joined
[18:09] <Kilos> and i got a guy that sorts things there when i sukkel
[18:09] <Kilos> so pro gets some rest
[18:10] <magespawn> Nice going, it would be a good idea if there are people who have friends in the other loco's, that way yhe word can be spread
[18:11] <inetpro> ai!
[18:11] <inetpro> good evening
[18:11] <inetpro> Kilos: why have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricaTeams ?
[18:11] <magespawn> maybe the others just have not heard about it yet
[18:11] <Kilos> the second one i made today for agenda inetpro  
[18:12] <Kilos> and i didnt have help or guidance so made another page
[18:12] <Kilos> cheche says he will make it look better 
[18:13] <inetpro> consistent naming conventions will help everybody to stay focussed
[18:13] <Kilos> oh you getting at the n 
[18:13] <inetpro> yebo yes
[18:13] <Kilos> well
[18:14] <inetpro> well?
[18:14] <Kilos> if they have same name it gonna give probs wont it
[18:14] <inetpro> no
[18:14] <inetpro> you don't make a page with the same name
[18:15] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricaTeams/agenda like that
[18:15] <inetpro> you have the master page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams and the rest of them under it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/WhateverPageYouWant
[18:15] <Kilos> i prefer not using the n 
[18:15] <Kilos> oh my
[18:16] <inetpro> anyone then knows that it belongs logically to AfricanTeams
[18:16] <Kilos> oh me oh my
[18:17] <Kilos> i didnt know one could do that
[18:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:17] <inetpro> your friend Neo31 is the guilty one who started with the "n"
[18:18] <Kilos> ya and he has been scarce
[18:18] <Kilos> cant one remove wiki pages?
[18:18] <Kilos> or can one
[18:19] <inetpro> easy
[18:19] <inetpro> just choose delete 
[18:20] <Kilos> ill get cheche to join them ands delete the not needed one
[18:21] <Kilos> but not tonight, we have 2 meetings 20 and 22.00 utc
[18:25] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:26] <Kilos> he has to have colours in because he cant read black on white
[18:26] <Kilos> and i dont want to overload you
[18:27] <Kilos> but now you got me thinking
[18:30] <Kilos> oh my now there is conflict error there 
[18:30] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[18:30] <Kilos> and i cant change the name
[18:30] <Kilos> sigh
[18:31] <Kilos> lemme try on the other one
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: are you aware there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams ?
[18:32] <Kilos> i see so yes
[18:33] <Kilos> and?
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: copy paste ideas
[18:35] <Kilos> their stuff is too involved
[18:36] <rusbus> o/
[18:37] <Kilos> hi rusbus  
[18:38] <Kilos> Edit conflict - your version:
[18:38] <Kilos> why it shows that inetpro  what did neo put in there
[18:38] <Kilos> i got stuff mixed up
[18:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricaTeams/Meetings
[18:40] <Kilos> just now i get fired
[18:40] <Kilos> better to leave well enough alone
[18:41] <Kilos> but it will be handier all on one wiki pag
[18:41] <Kilos> e
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:46] <Kilos> ya ai!
[18:47] <inetpro> you put all the stuff from AfricanTeams into AfricaTeams/Meetings ?
[18:47] <Kilos> so i see ya
[18:47] <Kilos> sigh
[18:47] <Kilos> and the other way as well
[18:47] <inetpro> aijajai
[18:48] <inetpro> really!?
[18:48] <Kilos> well its all in one place on them both so now its just fixing one and deleting the other
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not that simple sir
[18:49] <Kilos> oh my
[18:49] <inetpro> do you realise that your website and many other places like blogs maybe poitning to AfricanTeams already?
[18:49] <Kilos> oh my too
[18:49] <inetpro> why change something that just works
[18:50] <Kilos> well look at the old one, i added the agenda stuff at the bottom
[18:52] <Kilos> and you wanted me to get stuff from usa teams as well
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/Meetings
[18:54] <Kilos> you made that now?
[18:54] <inetpro> yes
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: and your Agenda for the first meeting should go at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/Meetings/20150729
[18:55] <inetpro> logically structured to make sense
[18:55] <Kilos> oh
[18:56] <Kilos> i can try that then
[18:57] <Kilos> like so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams/Meetings/20150729
[18:59] <inetpro> sort of
[18:59] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:59] <Kilos> wb superfly  what crashed
[19:00] <superfly> I don't know, trying to find out
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: if you want to copy wiki code from another page just go to the raw page before you start copying
[19:01] <superfly> too far back, must have just timed out
[19:01] <inetpro> for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150728?action=raw
[19:02] <Kilos> oh
[19:02] <inetpro> in other words, any page with '?action=raw' behind the page URL
[19:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:03] <inetpro> or simply select 'Raw Text' from the 'More Actions:'  dropdown
[19:06] <Kilos> oh inetpro  did you do it?
[19:06] <inetpro> what?
[19:07] <Kilos> whatever had to be done there, i see you had a lock there 8 mins ago
[19:07] <Kilos> and i dont see raw text or more options
[19:07] <Kilos> actions
[19:09] <inetpro> ai!
[19:09] <inetpro> don't talk in riddles oom Kilos
[19:09] <Kilos> rofl
[19:09] <Kilos> what are you talking about
[19:10] <inetpro> "whatever had to be done there"?
[19:10] <Kilos> oh
[19:11] <Kilos> i meant with the raw text thing'
[19:11] <Kilos> what did it do wrong with me copy/pasting it like i did?
[19:12] <Kilos> ek kan als lees
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: no, clearly you did not copy and paste correctly
[19:13] <Kilos> see again im involved in stuff that greeter bots should leave for others
[19:13] <Kilos> oh did you see our new guy here today
[19:13] <Kilos> zeo something
[19:16] <Kilos> nother web dev guy
[19:16] <Kilos> Maaz  seen golynx
[19:16] <Maaz> Kilos: golynx was last seen 7 months, 8 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes and 10 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-11-25 11:53:11 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-11-25 12:03:51 PST
[19:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:26] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  i see now , things arent in there own lines
[19:27] <inetpro> yes Kilos, and headings are messed up as well
[19:27] <Kilos> oh my
[19:28] <inetpro> and there are no bullet points
[19:29] <Kilos> ok lemme try the raw text thing
[19:29] <Kilos> i found the other actions thing on old link
[19:32] <Kilos> that looks better, now to edit from scratch again
[19:32] <Kilos> sigh
[19:33] <Kilos> i copied the za raw text
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: now obviously you do not want '<<Include(ZATeam/Meetings/2015Header)>>' as well
[19:38] <inetpro> but you could always create AfricanTeams/Meetings/2015Header from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/2015Header and then use the proper include trickery 
[19:39] <Kilos> eish man
[19:39] <inetpro> met eish ja
[19:40] <Kilos> i dunno trickery man
[19:40] <Kilos> and near meeting time
[19:42] <inetpro> ai!
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: with information that stays the same with each new page you use a "include" statement to work smarter rather than harder
[19:45] <Kilos> sigh
[19:45] <inetpro> put the common info in a separate page and just automagically include it, simple as that
[19:46] <inetpro> edit once and use many times
[19:48] <Kilos> ill have to check tomorrow again inetpro  
[19:49]  * inetpro is in no rush
[19:49] <Kilos> i should have asked you to do it to start with
[19:49] <Kilos> i just messed up both
[19:49] <Kilos> as usual
[19:53] <magespawn> twice the peatice
[19:53] <magespawn> practice
[19:53] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <Kilos> i should even try anymore
[19:53] <Kilos> shouldnt
[19:53] <Kilos> it would be ok if it was a daily excercise
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe one done and one to go
[20:46] <Kilos> ai! my inetpro  jy werk so hard vir my
[20:47] <Kilos> ek het nog nie gekyk nie maar sien die eposse
[20:47] <Kilos> jy moet ook rus oompise
[20:47] <Kilos> oompie
[21:03] <Kilos> Maaz  tell inetpro  ty very much
[21:03] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode