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| dholbach | good morning | 06:51 |
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| praxy | morning | 06:54 |
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| ArchNET | test | 07:19 |
| jrbt | hi! ;) | 07:31 |
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| sil2100 | Elleo: ping | 08:47 |
| nhaines | sil2100: pong | 08:48 |
| nhaines | intercepted! \o/ | 08:48 |
| Kniple | man-in-the-middle'ed! | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Plastic Bag Free Day! đ | 09:10 |
| popey | Kniple: hmm? | 09:14 |
| Kniple | nothing popey, I just responded late to something. | 09:14 |
| popey | ah :) | 09:14 |
| tathhu | öwöw | 09:22 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: do you know how to create the click package for gallery? | 09:29 |
| SturmFlut | Hmpf, can't find the complete source code for MediaTeks Little Kernel | 09:56 |
| Elleo | sil2100: not sure, its been a long time since I've done anything with gallery | 10:01 |
| Elleo | sil2100: will take a quick look see if I can remember | 10:01 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: since bfiller is on holidays today, we released a new deb for gallery and now need the new click uploaded - I could probably find someone that could upload it, but first I need the new click built from trunk | 10:01 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: thanks :) | 10:01 |
| Elleo | sil2100: I'm assuming from the click-build script that gallery isn't normally built as a fat package or anything? just armhf? | 10:09 |
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| popey | Elleo: it's certainly not a fat package in the store http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/07/2015-07-03-050001/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1183_armhf.click | 10:12 |
| sil2100 | brb | 10:13 |
| SturmFlut | Oh nice, if you keep all three buttons pressed on krillin/arale it will directly boot into Fastboot mode | 10:13 |
| Elleo | popey: okay, cool; that makes things simple then | 10:13 |
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| SturmFlut | Oh, no, it's just krillin and probably vegetahd | 10:17 |
| SturmFlut | arale boots so fast o_O | 10:17 |
| tathhu | arale? | 10:19 |
| tathhu | meizu? | 10:19 |
| jrbt | SturmFlut, how long? | 10:22 |
| SturmFlut | jrbt: ~22 seconds | 10:24 |
| * jrbt test with his nexus 4 | 10:24 | |
| jrbt | oh.. ok, 22s is fast, my n4 take 14s longer (36') | 10:25 |
| SturmFlut | jrbt: krillin also takes around 38 seconds | 10:26 |
| popey | 43 here for krillin | 10:26 |
| jrbt | holy cow! | 10:26 |
| popey | Elleo: did you _want_ a fat package for gallery? | 10:27 |
| Elleo | popey: not if that's not what's normally uploaded, sil just asked me to try and build a gallery click for him as bfiller's not around | 10:28 |
| popey | ok | 10:28 |
| Elleo | sil2100: is it okay that I compiled against rc-proposed? | 10:43 |
| Elleo | sil2100: if not I'll need to reflash a device to stable as the click build script seems to expect to build on device rather than crossbuild in a chroot | 10:43 |
| Elleo | sil2100: here's the click from that: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1208_armhf.click | 10:45 |
| Elleo | sil2100: do you need me to run it through any test plan or anything? | 10:45 |
| sil2100 | hm, I think it should be fine | 10:51 |
| sil2100 | popey: to publish a click to the store, do you only need the new click package? | 10:54 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: thanks! :) | 10:54 |
| Elleo | sil2100: no problem :) | 10:55 |
| ogra_ | SturmFlut, when i did the very first boot optimization work my limit was 1min max boot time ... there is surely still room for optimization to speed it up even more | 10:59 |
| * ogra_ did only the low hanging fruit bits back then | 10:59 | |
| popey | sil2100: yes :) | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | (though not sure it is worth putting much time into upstart optimization given we'll switch to systemd at some point) | 11:00 |
| popey | Elleo: sil2100 are all devices now on vivid or wily? (just wondering if building against rc-proposed may cause problems on those devices that are not? | 11:02 |
| sil2100 | popey: all devices are on vivid now, I mean... if you build against stable, you build against vivid | 11:03 |
| sil2100 | So it should be fine | 11:03 |
| popey | ok | 11:03 |
| sil2100 | Especially that the .deb package has been built against things from rc-proposed | 11:03 |
| sil2100 | My knowledge about clicks is not high enough, but I suppose rc-proposed builds are fine? | 11:03 |
| sil2100 | popey: hmmm, I did find an older click for gallery | 11:04 |
| sil2100 | Without the automatic translation landing | 11:04 |
| sil2100 | I think Bill always built a new one before pushing to the store after a landing, so I would prefer to use the one built by Elleo (if it's safe) | 11:05 |
| Elleo | sil2100: actually, that click says it has framework 14.10 | 11:05 |
| Elleo | sil2100: so really it should probably be built against 14.10 to be safe | 11:06 |
| Elleo | sil2100: or have its framework bumped up to 15.04 so it can't be installed on any devices that haven't upgraded | 11:06 |
| sil2100 | I think let's leave 14.10 then... I don't want us to do anything that bfiller isn't aware of | 11:07 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: can you build it somehow against 14.10? | 11:07 |
| Elleo | is there any channel that still tracks 14.10? | 11:07 |
| sil2100 | hmmm | 11:07 |
| sil2100 | No | 11:07 |
| Elleo | I don't think I can then :/ | 11:08 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: could you check what framework version did http://people.canonical.com/~bfiller/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1205_armhf.click have? | 11:08 |
| sil2100 | This is the one that bfiller generated for testing purposes | 11:08 |
| popey | you can build in a chroot, can you not? | 11:09 |
| * popey is guessing :) | 11:09 | |
| Elleo | sil2100: ubuntu-sdk-14.10 | 11:10 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, so we'll have to stick with that, as that's what bfiller wanted to use probably | 11:10 |
| sil2100 | hmmm | 11:10 |
| Elleo | popey: the click-build script in gallery doesn't do crossbuilding | 11:10 |
| popey | oh | 11:11 |
| Elleo | popey, sil2100: of course it's entirely possible that script is out of date and there is a way to crossbuild it that I'm unaware of | 11:11 |
| Elleo | sil2100: might be worth asking artmello when he gets on, I think he's worked on gallery a lot more recently than me | 11:11 |
| sil2100 | I remember some jenkins job somewhere | 11:11 |
| sil2100 | But hmmm | 11:12 |
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| sil2100 | Elleo: ok, we'll do so, for now let's hold | 11:12 |
| sil2100 | If he doesn't know, we can always publish the click that bfiller had for testing | 11:12 |
| sil2100 | Although I would prefer not... | 11:12 |
| popey | sil2100: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/ | 11:12 |
| popey | http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/263/ has r1205 | 11:13 |
| popey | did you specifically want 1208? | 11:13 |
| popey | (for translations?) | 11:13 |
| sil2100 | Yes, I checked how bfiller released previous clicks and he seems to rebuild after the deb release | 11:13 |
| Elleo | sil2100: are you sure bfiller's actually off today? I can't remember him mentioning it but I forget plenty of stuff :P | 11:13 |
| sil2100 | Elleo: it's an US holiday | 11:14 |
| sil2100 | ;) | 11:14 |
| Elleo | ah, okay | 11:14 |
| * popey presses the "build now" button so you get a r1280 armhf click if you need it | 11:14 | |
| popey | sil2100: fwiw, the click in bfiller's home directory is binary identical to the one at http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/263/ | 11:15 |
| popey | so I would say he is providing you with the jenkins-made click | 11:16 |
| popey | and as such those should be the ones you use. | 11:16 |
| popey | IMHO | 11:16 |
| sil2100 | popey: thanks :) | 11:18 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, this was the jenkins job I remembered | 11:18 |
| sil2100 | Ok, I slowly move out now for lunch | 11:18 |
| Elleo | popey: awesome, thanks :) | 11:18 |
| popey | np | 11:21 |
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| seb128 | bah | 11:31 |
| seb128 | "phablet 2658 45.8 0.9 369888 8920 ? Ssl 09:39 105:51 \_ /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/unity-scopes/scoperegistry | 11:31 |
| seb128 | " | 11:31 |
| seb128 | that's eating cpu for hours | 11:31 |
| seb128 | who knows about that sort of issues and what is useful to include as debug info? | 11:31 |
| seb128 | (that's bq on rc-proposed 56) | 11:32 |
| jibel | seb128, bug 1470750 | 11:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1470750 in unity-scopes-api (Ubuntu) "scoperegistry uses 45% CPU after applying updates from the store, draining battery quickly" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470750 | 11:32 |
| seb128 | jibel, thanks | 11:32 |
| seb128 | it's not a leap second issue | 11:33 |
| seb128 | I updated that device to 56 this morning | 11:34 |
| popey | sil2100: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/gallery-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.gallery_2.9.1.1208_armhf.click | 11:37 |
| meles | I tried to install X like discussed on the mailing list. I failed and now I can't open some apps like the camera. I even reset the phone to factory default. Can anybody help me? Output from dmesg is found here http://pastebin.com/78D8dSCW | 11:41 |
| ogra_ | meles, well, re-flash it | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | if you made it writable thats the only sane way to get back to normal | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | *permanently writable that is | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | resetting to factory default assumes your readonly rootfs has never been changed | 11:46 |
| ogra_ | but you likely installed stuff in it | 11:46 |
| meles | ogra_ flashing like it is described here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/? | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | meles, http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5 | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | well, in fact http://askubuntu.com/a/602037/217953 | 11:49 |
| meles | _ogra ok, thank you! | 11:50 |
| nocturn | Hi guys, I just got my Meizu MX, but if I turn it on, it stops on theubuntu logo | 12:00 |
| nocturn | it has been there for over 15 min | 12:00 |
| nocturn | Can I do anything but send it back? | 12:01 |
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| praxy | nocturn: did you try turning it off completely, and retry ? | 12:03 |
| nocturn | praxy, yes. Same result | 12:03 |
| praxy | nocturn: I'm sure there are things you can try. But I'm not the expert here, I'm sure other people will have some suggestions | 12:05 |
| praxy | I suppose it's not an issue of it not being charged enough to start | 12:05 |
| nocturn | praxy, I charged it fully first. It also gets really hot | 12:06 |
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| praxy | nocturn: I'm trying to find info for you, I hope others here will pitch in :D | 12:10 |
| praxy | must be no fun to have this issue on a new device though | 12:10 |
| nocturn | praxy, thanks! | 12:10 |
| praxy | I don't know if the MX getting hot is normal or not.. I have a BQ | 12:10 |
| tathhu | praxy: which one? hows battery life? | 12:12 |
| praxy | tathhu: E5 HD. Battery life is pretty good, slightly worse than my Moto E I think, but not much. | 12:14 |
| tathhu | what that even means :P | 12:15 |
| praxy | I think I did 4 or 5 days before needing my last charge, light usage, daily alarm, maybe an hour of calls. Wifi/data off when not needed. | 12:15 |
| nocturn | praxy, I just booted it with volume up + power to get into recovery mode | 12:16 |
| nocturn | it just gave an orange logo instead of a red one, that does not look good | 12:16 |
| tathhu | praxy: thanks, i'm sure my 5's battery life will be about same as i get on my jolla, heavy usage and lasts about aday | 12:17 |
| jgdx | popey, part of the wpa-ep landed. :) | 12:18 |
| praxy | nocturn: what are options from the recovery ? | 12:20 |
| nocturn | only get the orange logo... no options | 12:20 |
| mpt | seb128, hi, is there anything else I can do to get <https://code.launchpad.net/~mpt/ubuntu-system-settings/1359344-restart-install/+merge/263237> landed? | 12:23 |
| seb128 | mpt, not really, there are like 3 system settings changeset being in line already for landing, it's going to take a bit | 12:24 |
| seb128 | mpt, maybe ask to jgdx if he can batch that with some other of the pending changes | 12:24 |
| mpt | jgdx, ^^^ ? :-) | 12:24 |
| praxy | nocturn: I would try again power + volume up or power + volume down | 12:26 |
| jgdx | mpt, isn't that in a silo already? | 12:26 |
| jgdx | mpt, do you even silo | 12:26 |
| jgdx | mpt, In silo ubuntu/landing-022. Packages built. Testing pass. QA needs to sign off. | 12:27 |
| nocturn | praxy, same result, it says recovery mode than orange logo | 12:27 |
| jgdx | it's not certain it will land though, we're at the mercy of the trainguards/product team | 12:28 |
| praxy | nocturn: then I don't know.. you should probably contact Meizu | 12:31 |
| praxy | nocturn: can you see the device with adb? | 12:31 |
| nocturn | praxy, will try that next | 12:33 |
| nocturn | have to install adb first | 12:33 |
| mpt | jgdx, silo? I canât even. | 12:35 |
| mpt | jgdx, thanks for the info though. :-) Where could I look this up for myself next time? | 12:36 |
| jgdx | mpt, the spreadsheet is the source of information on this process and launchpad won't get notified before it lands. So the spreadsheet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain | 12:36 |
| jgdx | mpt, time for a quick question? | 12:37 |
| mpt | sure | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | nocturn, try that https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13878.html | 12:38 |
| jgdx | mpt, when load the phone screen in System Settings, it takes a couple of seconds to retrieve the call forwarding settings. Meaning this [1] will always say "Off" until we have one or more settings. That's bad. | 12:38 |
| jgdx | [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-settings-call-forwarding-access.png | 12:38 |
| jgdx | s/when load/when we load | 12:38 |
| jgdx | we can't really change that without substantial (relative) changes to the backend, but we can do a lot of things on the frontend. | 12:39 |
| mpt | jgdx, âTherefore the current settings should be cached, and shown as a summary value for the âCall forwardingâ item on the âPhoneâ screen â âAll callsâ for CFU on, âSome callsâ for CFU off but any other type on, or âOffâ for none â only if you have visited the âCall forwardingâ screen since the last time the phone was turned on.â | 12:39 |
| jgdx | that's the substantial bit | 12:40 |
| mpt | What I meant by that was, if you havenât visited the âCall forwardingâ screen yet, that item should have no summary value at all. | 12:40 |
| jgdx | mpt, oh. So blank? | 12:40 |
| mpt | Right. Sorry that wasnât clear. | 12:41 |
| jgdx | mpt, okay, makes sense now. | 12:42 |
| mpt | jgdx, specification updated. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp?action=diff&rev2=21&rev1=20> I hope itâs clearer now. | 12:47 |
| jgdx | mpt, yep, thanks. | 12:49 |
| === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun | ||
| dholbach | what's the preferred method of copying all my data from one phone to another? | 12:52 |
| dholbach | popey, ^ what do you normally use? | 12:52 |
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| popey | dholbach: i dont | 12:58 |
| dholbach | hum | 12:58 |
| seb128 | dholbach, tar & scp ? ;-) | 12:59 |
| seb128 | I would tar the userdir, copy it over and untar | 12:59 |
| seb128 | that doesn't restore your installed applications though nor the click datas | 12:59 |
| dholbach | thanks seb128 | 13:01 |
| dholbach | I think I just found out how to use ondra's script - maybe that'll work out for me :) | 13:01 |
| seb128 | dholbach, yw | 13:01 |
| popey | you could do a click list, get the names of all the apps you have installed, and then grab those clicks from my mirror, and install them en masse? | 13:03 |
| dholbach | yeah, that'd be an idea - although you wouldn't get the data the click package stored or would you? | 13:04 |
| seb128 | you wouldn't not | 13:05 |
| seb128 | no | 13:05 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| SturmFlut | Nice, Brian Douglass has won nik90's MX4 competition :) | 13:11 |
| nik90 | SturmFlut: :) | 13:12 |
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| === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk | ||
| popey | dholbach: I thought you were going to tar up userdir? - that grabs all the data | 13:17 |
| dholbach | I don't know yet - right now I'm just trying ondra's script - if it fails I might go back to another method | 13:18 |
| dholbach | earlier I made the mistake of not running it in recovery mode :) | 13:18 |
| === Guest66587 is now known as mibofra | ||
| ogra_ | SturmFlut, so will we get a special 50GU edition of uappexplorer now ? | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | "optimized for meizu" | 13:21 |
| SturmFlut | ogra_: I read that the GU setting for arale will be fixed with the next update | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | yep | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | well, "fixed" | 13:23 |
| * ogra_ isnt a fan of 50GU either ... my device currently runs at something like 55 or 56 | 13:23 | |
| sil2100 | popey: thanks! Sorry, missed the ping - could you get this click uploaded and moved further down the stream? | 13:27 |
| sil2100 | It's already signed off basically | 13:27 |
| popey | sil2100: you want gallery 1208 uploaded to the store? | 13:29 |
| popey | sil2100: where's the QA signoff? | 13:29 |
| jibel | popey, https://trello.com/c/N3b70CZp/1833-ubuntu-landing-007-gallery-app-bfiller it was in silo 7 | 13:32 |
| sil2100 | popey: yeah, it was already signed-off, bill only rebuilds the click afterwads to always point the final release after the .deb is pushed out | 13:32 |
| sil2100 | At least that's what I saw him do | 13:32 |
| popey | okay | 13:33 |
| sil2100 | popey: thanks! :) | 13:34 |
| popey | np | 13:36 |
| popey | sil2100: done | 13:45 |
| sil2100 | popey: yay, thank you our savior | 13:45 |
| sil2100 | :) | 13:45 |
| SturmFlut | Hmm, krillin Little Kernel has a special, extended version of the Boot Menu, but apparently the key that would have to be pressed during boot doesn't exist on this hardware. | 13:47 |
| === dpm_ is now known as dpm | ||
| bfiller | sil2100, popey : I can take care of gallery upload to store if it hasn't been done yet | 14:01 |
| bfiller | was planning on doing that today | 14:01 |
| popey | bfiller: already done | 14:07 |
| bfiller | popey: thanks | 14:07 |
| popey | np | 14:07 |
| bfiller | popey: bulit the click from trunk? | 14:07 |
| popey | grabbed it out of jenkins | 14:08 |
| popey | which built from trunk, yes | 14:08 |
| bfiller | popey: ok | 14:08 |
| mpt | mandel, ondra, slangasek, stgraber: Could the graphic shown during flashing contain localizable text? | 14:31 |
| === zyga_ is now known as zyga | ||
| dholbach | popey, how do I enter recovery mode on an mx4? when I typed 'adb reboot recovery' it restarted and is now showing the Ubuntu logo, but 'adb devices' lists the device as offline | 14:33 |
| dholbach | power button + vol up takes me to the same thing | 14:35 |
| popey | not sure.. | 14:35 |
| dholbach | ogra_, ^ do you know? | 14:35 |
| ogra_ | dholbach, no, and nobody from the arale team ever comes online on public IRC | 14:51 |
| * ogra_ asked like ten times for that now | 14:51 | |
| dholbach | ok | 14:51 |
| ogra_ | there are actual users with actual probs here now ... and we cant really help :( | 14:51 |
| ogra_ | dholbach, oh, but the recovery has definitely no adb inside ... thats true for all shipped recoveries | 14:52 |
| ogra_ | you would have to flash an open one | 14:52 |
| dholbach | oh ok | 14:52 |
| ogra_ | (which i dont know where to find for the arale ... only the bq devices are documented on askubuntu currently :/ ) | 14:52 |
| === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk | ||
| alin | hi | 15:17 |
| alin | asked yesterday too but did not go very far away... | 15:17 |
| alin | is normal for an ubuntu meizu mx4 not to show in adb? | 15:18 |
| brobostigon | alin: i know this is a stupid question, but is developer mode turned on? | 15:20 |
| alin | yes it is | 15:20 |
| brobostigon | ok, | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | aldo you have the phablet-tools PPA enabled and the android-tools-adb and libmtp pakages from there installed ? | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | alin, ^^^ | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | (also make sure the screen is unlocked else adb wont let you in) | 15:22 |
| alin | ogra_: I have adroid-tools from opensuse I am not using ubuntu | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | oh, then yoou will have to hack the device ID into that somehow | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | i doubt suses udev and androids adb will be able to find the device | 15:24 |
| brobostigon | on debian here, i need to be root, for adb to see my device. | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | yeah, thats what udev would handle for you usually :) | 15:25 |
| brobostigon | yes, definatly, :) | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | alin, try the following: | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | echo 0x2a45 >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | adb kill-server | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | sudo adb start-server | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | tnen see if adb devices or adb shell shows it | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | also note that the USB of the MX4 has issues with USB3 hubs/ports ... try a 2.0 or even 1.1 one | 15:27 |
| alin | ogra_: was exactly the opposite | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | the opposite of what ? | 15:27 |
| alin | ogra_: shows up only on a powered usb 3.0 | 15:27 |
| alin | ogra_: on a usb 2.0 does not show | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | it wont transfer any useful data over 3.0 i fear | 15:27 |
| alin | ogra_: yes that I noticed too | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | (there are hw issues with that) | 15:27 |
| alin | ogra_: that is later... | 15:27 |
| * ogra_ uses a USB 1.1 non-powered hub here ... thats the only reliable connection i can get | 15:28 | |
| alin | ogra_: blimey all the hubs I have are gone in a box since I move office | 15:29 |
| ogra_ | sadly (as i said) it is a HW issue ... not much we can do in SW to fix that | 15:29 |
| ogra_ | anyway, the above should at least make sure the adb side works fine ... | 15:30 |
| ogra_ | for USB, watch dmesg to see what it does | 15:30 |
| ogra_ | (i get a lot of kernel messages and hardware resets here in case the hub doesnt work) | 15:31 |
| * ogra_ goes afk | 15:31 | |
| === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader | ||
| SturmFlut | ogra_, john-mcaleely: Do you know where /sbin/init on phones comes from? | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | SturmFlut, upstart | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | (now really afk) | 15:37 |
| cle | does anyone can buy meizu mx4 device outside of European ? | 15:37 |
| alin | cle: in china | 15:38 |
| SturmFlut | But how does upstart decide if it should boot normally or start /system/bin/factory ? I've been looking for the answer to this for half an hour now. | 15:38 |
| cle | i have an invite but i'm from Vietnam | 15:38 |
| john-mcaleely | I had assumed that was in here https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5/blob/aquaris-E4.5-ubuntu-master/ubuntu/initrd/ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd_0.94vivid5_armhf.deb | 15:42 |
| john-mcaleely | but, I don't actually know | 15:42 |
| Kniple | One thing that has been bugging me since I got my ubuntu phone: The swedish layout for the keyboard has the À and ö buttons switched from what its supposed to be... | 15:47 |
| kenvandine | Kniple, file a bug please | 15:48 |
| kenvandine | we can get the keyboard layout fixed | 15:48 |
| kenvandine | Kniple, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard | 15:48 |
| Kniple | thanks kenvandine, i'll file a bug. :) | 15:49 |
| kenvandine | Kniple, thank you! | 15:49 |
| Elleo | Kniple: if I remember correctly that's actually already fixed, and the fix will appear in OTA 5 :) | 15:50 |
| Elleo | Kniple: yep, here we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1395402 so that fix should appear sometime later this month with the next update | 15:50 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1395402 in ubuntu-keyboard "À and ö are wrongly switched in the swedish layout" [Medium,In progress] | 15:50 |
| Kniple | oh well, semes I don't need to finish this report then :p | 15:51 |
| Elleo | :) | 15:51 |
| Kniple | Excuse my ineptitude with launchpad, but is there an easy way to search bugs related to the touch version? | 15:53 |
| popey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers links to many of the components used in the phone | 15:54 |
| Kniple | thanks popey | 15:54 |
| popey | np | 15:54 |
| Kniple | this community is the best :3 | 15:54 |
| SturmFlut | john-mcaleely: I've finally got it. MTK uses a modified Android init in the initrd that knows how to check if the previous boot stages activated Factory mode. | 15:58 |
| SturmFlut | john-mcaleely: Which makes sense, because this Factory mode only exists on MTK SoCs | 15:59 |
| john-mcaleely | sounds fair | 16:00 |
| SturmFlut | john-mcaleely: It gets even better, they built the API into the kernel, the Boot mode is passed from Little Kernel to the actual Linux kernel and appears in /sys/class/BOOT/BOOT/boot/boot_mode | 16:01 |
| SturmFlut | and there are actually two factory modes, the normal one and another called "ATE_FACTORY_BOOT" | 16:02 |
| alin | ogra_: the echo did the trick | 16:15 |
| robin-hero | Hey all! | 16:39 |
| robin-hero | After the OTA-4 update the calendar events' dates aren't in the right format. It should be jĂșl. 11., szo 08.00: | 16:41 |
| robin-hero | http://i.imgur.com/Rh4HcK4.png | 16:41 |
| popey | hi robin-hero | 16:42 |
| robin-hero | hi popey | 16:43 |
| popey | is that Hungarian? | 16:43 |
| robin-hero | Yes | 16:44 |
| popey | what is your locale settings in System Settings -> Language & Text set to at the top? | 16:44 |
| robin-hero | Magyar (MagyarorszĂĄg) -> Hungarian (Hungary) | 16:46 |
| popey | not sure if that's a bug or not, and where that should be filed. seb128 ^ got any good ideas? | 16:50 |
| popey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_Hungary doesn't explain it :) | 16:50 |
| robin-hero | It worked in the previous release | 16:51 |
| popey | ok, robin-hero perhaps file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image and we can move it to the most appropriate place. | 16:54 |
| robin-hero | okay, I'm just trying to find a screenshot which taken before OTA4... | 16:54 |
| kenvandine | seb128, the fix for bug 1470881 is in proposed, can you remove the block-proposed tag now? | 16:56 |
| ubot5 | bug 1470881 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "shouldn't depends on click" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470881 | 16:56 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, sure, remove it | 17:01 |
| kenvandine | thx | 17:01 |
| mr-tt | is it possible to run regular qt5 apps created with standard qtcreator(not utouch-sdk) on utouch? | 17:04 |
| SturmFlut | mr-tt: You will probably have to at least use the schroot to create an armhf binary | 17:09 |
| mr-tt_ | SturmFlut: how do i create a utouch chroot on non-ubuntu? or would it be simpler to install a regular ubuntu chroot and run ubuntu sdk from there(can this crosscompile)? | 17:12 |
| SturmFlut | mr-tt_: Most likely the easiest way is to run Ubuntu 15.04 in a virtual machine. | 17:14 |
| mr-tt_ | SturmFlut: arm ubuntu i guess? | 17:15 |
| alin | ok... adb shell dies http://paste.opensuse.org/8501852 | 17:15 |
| alin | I still see the device listed | 17:15 |
| mr-tt_ | SturmFlut: how big is an ubuntu arm chroot/vm? | 17:16 |
| SturmFlut | mr-tt_: The schroot for cross-compiling is 1.7 GB on my machine. A full Ubuntu 15.04 installation in a VM, with the Ubuntu SDK and enough space for your projects, will need several gigabytes. | 17:17 |
| mr-tt_ | i'd rather have an schroot then. is it possible to create that on non-ubuntu? | 17:18 |
| mr-tt_ | SturmFlut: do i use debootstrap to set it up? vivid has no arm repos, so how to do that? | 17:19 |
| SturmFlut | mr-tt_: you use the schroot utility directly, it comes from Debian. But I have never used it on non-Ubuntu, you will probably need all the configuration files. | 17:21 |
| SturmFlut | mr-tt_: Oh, and it just came to my mind that you will be needing the "click" utility too, that only comes with Ubuntu I think | 17:22 |
| mr-tt_ | SturmFlut: i thought schroot is only for entering chroots, not downloading/setting them up | 17:22 |
| popey | click is used to set them up | 17:24 |
| popey | usage: click chroot [-h] -a ARCHITECTURE [-f FRAMEWORK] [-s SERIES] [-n NAME] {create,destroy,upgrade,install,run,maint,begin-session,end-session,exists} | 17:24 |
| popey | e.g. sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04 -s vivid create | 17:25 |
| popey | that kinda jazz | 17:25 |
| mr-tt_ | can i run a precompiled qt5 app from ubuntu touch terminal?(just the files the app needs copied to the phone, not packaged)? | 17:29 |
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| * tathhu is goign to have Aquaris E5 instead of 4.5, weeeeeeeeeee ^^ | 17:42 | |
| popey | \o/ | 17:43 |
| tathhu | Should've ordered that in first place, more waiting :(((( | 17:44 |
| tathhu | But yeah, awesome ^_^ | 17:47 |
| tathhu | Oh what i just did.. | 17:47 |
| mr-tt_ | if i have the source of a qt5 project(builds with qmake), how do i get that to build for armhf? | 17:59 |
| mr-tt_ | i'd like to turn it into an utouch app | 17:59 |
| mr-tt_ | or at least run it from terminal on the phone | 18:00 |
| popey | create a chroot on the phone itself, and build in that? thats what ogra_ does | 18:01 |
| mr-tt_ | popey: takes too much space on the phone i think | 18:02 |
| popey | really>? what you building? KDE? :) | 18:03 |
| mr-tt_ | plus i can't test in on the desktop then | 18:03 |
| tathhu | popey: can I run plasma 5 on my phone? :P | 18:03 |
| popey | well, you're kinda asking the impossible | 18:03 |
| mr-tt_ | popey: no just some small example app :) | 18:03 |
| popey | if you build for desktop, its an i386/armhf binary | 18:03 |
| popey | if you build for phone it's an armhf binary | 18:03 |
| popey | i doubt a sample qt app requires too much space on the phone | 18:04 |
| mr-tt_ | popey: so ubuntu sdk can build for armhf? | 18:04 |
| popey | yes, in a schroot | 18:05 |
| popey | i do it all the time | 18:05 |
| mr-tt_ | popey: does the sdk automatically install an schroot? | 18:05 |
| popey | it prompts you to when you start it up for the first time | 18:06 |
| popey | i need to go and cut the grass, back in a bit | 18:06 |
| tathhu | SDK = qtcreator + ubuntu-spesific-plugins and stuff? | 18:06 |
| popey | yes | 18:06 |
| tathhu | cool | 18:06 |
| mr-tt_ | popey: didn't do that iirc | 18:07 |
| nik90 | mr-tt_: Did you read through the documentation at developer.ubuntu.com ? | 18:07 |
| mr-tt_ | i guess i have to create a target device somehow then? | 18:07 |
| nik90 | mr-tt_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/click-targets-and-device-kits/ | 18:07 |
| nik90 | mr-tt_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/creating-an-sdk-app-project/ | 18:07 |
| nik90 | It is explained very clearly how to do this | 18:07 |
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| mr-tt_ | nik90: i take a look at it, thanks | 18:08 |
| SturmFlut | New post: "MediaTek details: Little Kernel", http://sturmflut.github.io/mediatek/2015/07/05/mediatek-details-little-kernel/ | 18:10 |
| SturmFlut | I think I might be the only person outside of china who writes about these things ;) | 18:10 |
| mcphail | SturmFlut: you are a God amongst men. Great work! | 18:15 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: No, I'm a guy with a source code browser ;) | 18:15 |
| mcphail | SturmFlut: and a lot of patience... | 18:15 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: It's the luxury of "being able to work on what you want". If I had to do it for a living, it would probably get bored really soon. | 18:16 |
| SturmFlut | s/it would/I would/ | 18:18 |
| mcphail | It is great to get stuff like this documented. And especially good that it isn't on XDA with <blink> tags, 17 fonts and centre-justified text | 18:18 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: My girlfriend works in marketing, she keeps giving me tips on how to monetize this ;) | 18:18 |
| mcphail | SturmFlut: to be fair, outside channels like this there may not be much of a market... | 18:19 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: Yep. Exactly. And I hate ads on other sites, so I don't want any on mine. | 18:20 |
| mcphail | SturmFlut: I'm an adblock freeloader, I'm afraid | 18:20 |
| mcphail | SturmFlut: but I'd click a "Donate" button to keep the content coming | 18:21 |
| popey | +1 | 18:22 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: I don't even want that ;) Information wants to be free. I stand on the shoulders of giants, all the tools I use are free and 99% of the things I know were given to me for free. Why on earth should I chose to not give back, for free? I don't even pay for the hosting of that site. | 18:24 |
| tathhu | What, I can "send" my app on phone an test it there o.o | 18:25 |
| tathhu | *and | 18:25 |
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| popey | you can run on phone, yes | 18:27 |
| popey | over usb | 18:27 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: Also if I start putting ads on that site or taking donations, I will be encouraged to analyze what my readers want so I can write more content that turns into more ad revenue and more donations... suddenly the whole fun turns into work. | 18:27 |
| mcphail | SturmFlut: well, your hard work is appreciated. I really enjoy your concise use of English | 18:27 |
| SturmFlut | mcphail: \o/ | 18:28 |
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| tathhu | popey: well this is cool | 18:29 |
| tathhu | oh i might be do that on jolla too, woops. | 18:29 |
| tathhu | "and now you tell that" | 18:29 |
| svij | SturmFlut: anyway it's interesting that you live in the future ;) | 18:30 |
| SturmFlut | tathhu: Developing apps on the desktop and then sending them to the phone to test them is actually the norm, everybody does it like this. | 18:30 |
| tathhu | SturmFlut: w000000t | 18:30 |
| tathhu | :D | 18:31 |
| SturmFlut | svij: Yeah, that was a stupid mistake, I didn't think that I'd finish this article so quickly. When I realized, the link was already out there, and jekyll makes the date a part of the URL. | 18:33 |
| svij | SturmFlut: hehe | 18:33 |
| svij | an update from today on a article from tomorrow is funny ;) | 18:33 |
| SturmFlut | svij: Pssst, the space time continuum doesn't like these things! | 18:34 |
| * svij needs to write down his 2 (or actually 4) reviews of the new phones⊠| 18:34 | |
| svij | SturmFlut: :) | 18:34 |
| popey | Wibbly wobbly timey wimey | 18:35 |
| davmor2 | popey: Don't blink | 18:36 |
| davmor2 | popey: Don't even blink | 18:36 |
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| === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader | ||
| SturmFlut | Interesting, fastboot apparently uses 32 bit length fields when flashing. So you can't flash to a partition that's larger than 4 GB. | 19:35 |
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| EdwardMorbius | hello, anyone knows what is signal 18? I have this in unity 8 log after a UI freeze, WARNING **: Unable to get pids for 'unity8-dash' to send signal 18 | 20:05 |
| EdwardMorbius | ApplicationController::resumeApplication FAILED to resume appId= "unity8-dash". | 20:05 |
| EdwardMorbius | Also "Nested Mir Display Error: Failed to update EGL surface: EGL_BAD_DISPLAY (0x3008)" | 20:08 |
| SturmFlut | EdwardMorbius: Signal 18 is SIGCHLD | 20:09 |
| SturmFlut | EdwardMorbius: I think unity8-dash crashed and Unity8 can't find out who to tell about it | 20:10 |
| SturmFlut | mzanetti: ^^ | 20:10 |
| EdwardMorbius | SturmFlut probably, both of these errors were in the log, including this QML UCDeprecatedTheme: Theme.palette is deprecated. Use ThemeSettings instead. | 20:11 |
| mzanetti | hmm...ignore the theme warning... | 20:11 |
| mzanetti | the other probably deserves a bug report | 20:12 |
| mzanetti | the EGL thing | 20:12 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1465826 | 20:12 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1465826 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "The phone freez totally" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 20:12 |
| EdwardMorbius | my log and another user's logs are in there. | 20:12 |
| EdwardMorbius | I also noticed different behavior when UI freezes after OTA-4, before last update when UI froze it would reboot itself soon after, but now after OTA-4 it freezes permanently and I need to power off the phone to resolve it. | 20:18 |
| mzanetti | oh :( | 20:18 |
| mzanetti | so this always happens on application switching? | 20:19 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti from what I noticed usually on application switching, a few times it happened after a notification arrived and I tried opening it. | 20:19 |
| mzanetti | mhm... ok. that helps. can you please add that to the bug | 20:20 |
| mzanetti | I assigned it further. hopefully should get some attention now | 20:20 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti I will add it now | 20:21 |
| mzanetti | thanks a lot | 20:21 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti no problem, I added this information to the bug report, I can upload more logs if necessary next time it happens. | 20:24 |
| mzanetti | EdwardMorbius, what files do you have in /var/crash/ ? | 20:28 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti hold on I will check | 20:28 |
| mzanetti | probably easiest if you pastebin "ls -l /var/crash/" somewhere | 20:29 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti I have three, all are usr_lib_arm_something_unity_scope_runner, two .uploaded and one .crash | 20:31 |
| mzanetti | EdwardMorbius, no _usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash or _usr_bin_unity8-dash.32011.crash around? | 20:31 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti no, maybe because the phone had to be powered off? | 20:32 |
| mzanetti | hmm | 20:32 |
| mzanetti | well, all you can do now is try catch such a file. maybe log in while it's frozen (if that's possible) or so | 20:33 |
| mzanetti | we'll try to reproduce. do you have many applications open usually? | 20:33 |
| SturmFlut | Oh, I was wrong, you can actually flash partitions larger than 4 GB with fastboot. | 20:33 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti I will try next time it happens, or when I power it on I will immediately check /var/crash. no I dont have many open, usually its a few, browser, telegram, sometimes messaging or music player. | 20:34 |
| mzanetti | the logs point to file manager often | 20:34 |
| mzanetti | :) | 20:35 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti I dont use file manager often and I am certain many of the UI freezes happened without file manager being open. | 20:36 |
| EdwardMorbius | It is possible I used it when that log was posted, dont remember that far back :D | 20:37 |
| mzanetti | ok. no problem :) | 20:37 |
| mzanetti | if you happen to find a way to trigger it intentionally, let us know :) | 20:38 |
| EdwardMorbius | mzanetti I will but so far it doesnt seem it is triggered by a specific action (application switching seems most common cause) | 20:38 |
| EdwardMorbius | I will try catching that crash log in /var/crash/, where are mir logs located so I can take a look at them too? | 20:39 |
| mzanetti | that's all in unity8.log | 20:39 |
| EdwardMorbius | I see, well I will hunt for it next time then when its fresh :) | 20:40 |
| nocturn | Hi, My new Meizu MX is bootlooping out of the box, I tried to install a new image, but it exits on: Failed to enter Recovery | 21:00 |
| mzanetti | O_o | 21:01 |
| nocturn | Output from flash-device: | 21:03 |
| nocturn | http://pastebin.com/kP9HpCG6 | 21:03 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: That's because the production devices do not start ADB in their recovery | 21:04 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: You need a recovery image that has ADB enabled | 21:05 |
| nocturn | SturmFlut, I downloaded one I though | 21:06 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: But you didn't pass it do ubuntu-device-flash | 21:07 |
| nocturn | I already tried this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13878.html | 21:07 |
| nocturn | this should have installed it: fastboot flash recovery recovery.img | 21:07 |
| SturmFlut | Hmmmmmmm | 21:08 |
| SturmFlut | It actually should | 21:08 |
| nocturn | That command was succesfull | 21:08 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: Which version of ubuntu-device-flash do you have? | 21:11 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: and which of android-tools-adb | 21:12 |
| nocturn | ubuntu-device-flash 0.19-0~142~ubuntu14.04.1 | 21:13 |
| nocturn | android-tools-adb 4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu36 | 21:13 |
| nocturn | from the SDK PPA | 21:14 |
| nocturn | SturmFlut, it is strange that it didn't boot out of the box also, I get the spinning ubuntu logo forever | 21:16 |
| SturmFlut | I have ubuntu-device-flash 0.20-0ubuntu1 | 21:16 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: You got it and it never booted? | 21:16 |
| alin | SturmFlut: nocturn one problem I had the phone did not appear on usb at all | 21:16 |
| nocturn | It went to the spinning logo and stayed there | 21:16 |
| nocturn | waited 25 minutes, then reset | 21:16 |
| nocturn | no change | 21:16 |
| alin | ogra_: pointed out you need a non usb 3.0 port to connect | 21:17 |
| boiko | Laney: sorry for the late reply on that, we branched telephony-service (and the other affected packages) to do vivid landings, so the build fix for latest tp-qt in telephony-service can land now, I will test/land it monday morning | 21:18 |
| nocturn | SturmFlut, you have a newer device-flash, are you on Trusty or later? | 21:24 |
| alin | boiko: so if you have tp-qt do you have any client instalable? | 21:24 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: vivid | 21:25 |
| nocturn | SturmFlut, Trusty here | 21:25 |
| boiko | alin: you mean on desktop? | 21:25 |
| boiko | alin: on phones we use telepathy for phone calls and messaging, but we don't currently use/support any other IM protocols | 21:26 |
| alin | boiko: ok... on phone... I see kind of pitty | 21:29 |
| boiko | alin: although we have started changes things here and there to have more generic telepathy support, that's not fully done yet | 21:29 |
| SturmFlut | nocturn: If the phone never worked, I would assume that there's a hardware problem. | 21:30 |
| boiko | alin: you can tweak telephony-service into allowing other protocols by registering them at /usr/share/telephony-service/protocols/ | 21:30 |
| nocturn | SturmFlut, I will try to RMA | 21:30 |
| nocturn | Thanks | 21:30 |
| boiko | alin: and I used to have a experimental VOIP support changes for telephony-service and dialer-app, but they might be outdated by now | 21:31 |
| boiko | alin: at some point I think we will support more stuff (not sure if everything telepathy supports or a wider subset of what we support now though) | 21:32 |
| alin | boiko: that would be great... I am thinking more of google stuff | 21:37 |
| alin | boiko: anyhow I suspect a lot of these are not aligned with this applets everywhere... | 21:37 |
| alin | I tried usb tethering by enabling rndis but once that is done I cannot receive calls anymore | 21:44 |
| alin | is that normal? | 21:44 |
| SturmFlut | "Our Meizu devices also got a new device tarball, now ready for release in the nearest days" | 21:46 |
| SturmFlut | deviceS? | 21:46 |
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| SturmFlut | New post: "Hacking Ubuntu Touch, Part 8: Fastboot", http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/07/04/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-8-fastboot/ | 23:22 |
| SturmFlut | I'm on fire! | 23:22 |
| SturmFlut | ogra_: ^^ | 23:28 |
| nhaines | SturmFlut: I love your stories. But please be careful about posting them to /r/Ubuntu. It's against reddit policy to post your own stuff more than 10% of the time (it's considered spamming) and it can get you automatically banned. | 23:40 |
| nhaines | (I'm approving them when they come through the modqueue but I have nothing to do with reddit-wide shadowbans.) | 23:40 |
| SturmFlut | nhaines: Oh! | 23:41 |
| nhaines | Ironically, if someone else does it it's fine. Weird quirk of reddit. It's a good way to keep corporations from spamming but sometimes it's not too flexible. | 23:42 |
| SturmFlut | nhaines: I think I can talk popey into posting the links. I don't use reddit at all, so I'll never be able to "counterbalance" my own posts with other stuff. | 23:44 |
| nhaines | SturmFlut: probably for the best then. I don't want to see you get shadowbanned. :) | 23:46 |
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